Heartland Institute documents reveal strategy of attacks against climate science

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:15 PM GMT on February 17, 2012

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Documents illegally leaked from the Heartland Institute, one of the most active groups engaged in attacking the science of climate change, provide an unprecedented look into how these groups operate. The story was broken Tuesday by DeSmogBlog, a website dedicated to exposing false claims about climate change science. The documents reveal that donors to Heartland included oil billionaire Charles Koch, and Heartland has spent several million dollars over the past five years to undermine climate science. Tens of thousands of dollars are slated to go this year to well-known climate contrarians S.Fred Singer, Craig Idso, and Anthony Watts of the Watts Up With That? website. Naturally, the leaked documents have lit up the blogosphere, but none of the revelations are particularly surprising. The U.S. has a very successful and well-funded climate change denial industry, primarily funded by fossil fuel companies, that has spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the past few decades on a PR campaign against climate change science. I made a lengthy post on the subject in 2009 called, The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy. I won't say more here, but getenergysmartnow.com has compiled a long list of blogs that have interesting posts on the Heartland Institute affair for those interested in following this story.



Eight books challenging the Manufactured Doubt industry
Important scientific findings should always be challenged with the goal of finding flaws and improving our scientific understanding. But there's nothing a scientist hates more than to see good science attacked and the reputations of good scientists smeared in name of protecting corporate profits or ideology. A number of scientists have fought back against the recent unfounded assaults on climate change science by publishing books calling attention to the Manufactured Doubt industry's tactics and goals. Anyone priding themselves on being a open-minded skeptic of human-caused global warming should challenge their skepticism by reading one of these works. I thought so highly of Unscientific America, Merchants of Doubt, and Climate Coverup, that I donated 50 copies of these books to undergraduates at the University of Michigan last year. Here's a short synopsis of eight books published in the past three years defending climate change science against the attacks of the Manufactured Doubt industry:

Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming, by Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway. If you're going to read one book on the attacks on climate science, this should probably be the one--Dr. Oreskes, a history professor at UC San Diego, was voted climate change communicator of the year in 2011. A review of Merchants of Doubt and a video of her defending her book against skeptics is at climateprogress.org, my favorite website for staying current on the politics of climate change. From the review: "Make the journey with them, and you’ll see renowned scientists abandon science, you’ll see environmentalism equated with communism, and you’ll discover the connection between the Cold War and climate denial. And for the most part, you’ll be entertained along the way."

Climate Cover-up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming, by desmogblog.com co-founders James Hoggan and Richard Littlemore. The main author, James Hoggan, owns a Canadian public relations firm, and is intimately familiar with how public relations campaigns work. It's another fascinating and very readable book.

Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens our Future, by science writer Chris Mooney. He writes a blog focusing on science communication called the intersection. This is a fantastic book, and should be required reading for all college science majors.

Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand, by Haydn Washington and John Cook. John Cook writes for one of my favorite climate science blogs, skepticalscience.com, which focuses on debunking false skeptic claims about climate science. The book does a great job debunking all the classic climate change denial arguments.

Doubt is Their Product: How Industry's Assault on Science Threatens Your Health, by George Washington University epidemiologist David Michaels, who now heads the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA). This meticulously-researched book has just one chapter on climate change, and focuses more on tobacco and hazardous chemicals. About the the tobacco industry's Manufactured Doubt campaigns, Michaels wrote: "the industry understood that the public is in no position to distinguish good science from bad. Create doubt, uncertainty, and confusion. Throw mud at the anti-smoking research under the assumption that some of it is bound to stick. And buy time, lots of it, in the bargain". The title of Michaels' book comes from a 1969 memo from a tobacco company executive: "Doubt is our product since it is the best means of competing with the 'body of fact' that exists in the minds of the general public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy".

The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines, by climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann. Dr. Mann is the originator of the much-debated "hockey stick" graph of global temperatures over the past 1,000 years, which looks like a hockey stick due to the sharp increase in temperatures in recent decades. This book just came out last week, and I hope to write a review on it this spring. Dr. Mann is one of the main contributors to my favorite web site for staying current on climate change research, realclimate.org. John Cook of skepticalscience.com wrote a review, calling it "an eye-opening account of the lengths the opponents of climate science will go to in their campaign to slander climate scientists and distract the public from the realities of human caused global warming."

Fool Me Twice: Fighting the Assault on Science in America by Shawn Lawrence Otto. I haven't had a chance to read this one yet, but it looks interesting. A review by Katherine O’Konski of Climate Science Watch called the book "a fascinating look at the status of science in American society."

The Inquisition of Climate Science, by Dr. James Lawrence Powell, a geochemist with a distinguished career as a college teacher, college president, museum director, and author of books on earth science for general audiences. I haven't read it, but John Cook of skepticalscience.com wrote a review, calling it "a must-read for anyone who wishes to understand the full scope of the denial industry and their modern day persecution of climate science."

Have a great weekend, everyone! I'll be taking a few vacation days next week, and wunderground meteorologist Angela Fritz will probably be doing most of the blogging for me during the coming week.

Jeff Masters

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1080. bappit
This is painful irony.

"Those persons who posted these documents and wrote about them before we had a chance to comment on their authenticity should be ashamed of their deeds, and their bad behavior should be taken into account when judging their credibility now and in the future."

That's from these guys.
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Quoting Chapelhill:
It appears that their is a warm tongue in the mid levels that has stalled the change over to snow.


maybe. oh well.
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1078. yqt1001
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Conservatism is what will save this country. Having a "D" or "R" after your name means less and less these days.


I'm sorry, but a conservative majority is ruining the great country that was once known as Canada. Now it's more like "Conservative Dictatorship of World Killing Corporations".
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Quoting RevElvis:
Heartland Institute Threatens To Sue Anyone Who Comments On Leaked Documents

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I don't brake for trolls !
Hmmm.... I wonder if they supported those scientists whose emails were leaked and encouraged them to sue.

Actually, this seems like the big bully threatening to beat up the little guy for looking at the bully after he trips. Sure doesn't make Heartland institute look good to be suing some little old grandmother or a 15-year old kid...

[What u r supposed to do is wait until all the hype is over. THEN u sue...]
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Quoting SPLbeater:
im losing hope with this system.
It appears that their is a warm tongue in the mid levels that has stalled the change over to snow.
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Quoting ScottLincoln:


I suppose knowing the truth about a group and their agenda can be quite damaging.


Like the socialism bent of the majority of the bloggers on this site. If that's your thing, come out of the closet and proclaim it to the world.
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im losing hope with this system.
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Conservatism is what will save this country. Having a "D" or "R" after your name means less and less these days.
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Quoting bappit:

"... and collect payment for damages"

Seems this business model has been used in the patent and copyright wars. Did they leak them on purpose? LOL


I suppose knowing the truth about a group and their agenda can be quite damaging.

Quoting Skyepony:
I found the original press release from Heartland Institute...

We respectfully ask all activists, bloggers, and other journalists to immediately remove all of these documents and any quotations taken from them, especially the fake %u201Cclimate strategy%u201D memo and any quotations from the same, from their blogs, Web sites, and publications, and to publish retractions.

The individuals who have commented so far on these documents did not wait for Heartland to confirm or deny the authenticity of the documents. We believe their actions constitute civil and possibly criminal offenses for which we plan to pursue charges and collect payment for damages, including damages to our reputation. We ask them in particular to immediately remove these documents and all statements about them from the blogs, Web sites, and publications, and to publish retractions.



I just don't see Dr Masters publishing a retraction..


Many reputable and honest climate scientists are waiting for retractions from Heartland and several other groups after the climate hacking debacle. I think something like 5 independent panels found the accusations to be without merit and based on out-of-context exaggerations. Yet that's the same incident where the very same Heartland had a different philosophy on checking for accuracy first:
The release of these documents creates an opportunity for reporters, academics, politicians, and others who relied on the IPCC to form their opinions about global warming to stop and reconsider their position. The experts they trusted and quoted in the past have been caught red-handed plotting to conceal data, hide temperature trends that contradict their predictions, and keep critics from appearing in peer-reviewed journals. This is new and real evidence that they should examine and then comment on publicly.


In this instance, I think I agree with them. This probably is a perfectly good time politicians, media, and other persons who relied on Heartland info to re-examine their positions and comment publicly.
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ttyl
gonna go chat on storm scape live
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Quoting BobWallace:


They want people to scrub "all statements" about these leaked documents?

This is on their site right now...

"November 22, 2011 S. Fred Singer James M. Taylor Richard J. Trzupek Maureen Martin John Monaghan

Another shoe dropped in the Climategate scandal today with the release of thousands more emails revealing how the scientists who contributed to the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) conspired to hide and manipulate data calling into question the theory of man-caused global warming."

http://heartland.org/press-releases/2011/11/22/he artland-institute-reacts-climategate-2-emails

This is months after multiple investigations found that the charge of conspiring to hide and manipulate data was not based on fact.

These jerks were all over the stolen emails and played a major role in taking things out of context and distorting reality. They leave up stuff proven to be a lie.

And now they want people to forget what was leaked out of their organization?





It's called "Republican".

Besides, I wasn't aware this nation had laws forbidding private citizens from talking about scandals or alleged scandals.

If you take the definitions of Slander and Libel, it seems the Heartland Institute should be better off not bringing up that subject...
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UK House of Commons:

"The Science and Technology Select Committee inquiry reported on 31 March 2010 that it had found that "the scientific reputation of Professor Jones and CRU remains intact". The emails and claims raised in the controversy did not challenge the scientific consensus that "global warming is happening and that it is induced by human activity". The MPs had seen no evidence to support claims that Jones had tampered with data or interfered with the peer-review process"

The British Science Assessment Panel:

"The report of the independent Science Assessment Panel was published on 14 April 2010 and concluded that the panel had seen "no evidence of any deliberate scientific malpractice in any of the work of the Climatic Research Unit." It found that the CRU's work had been "carried out with integrity" and had used "fair and satisfactory" methods. The CRU was found to be "objective and dispassionate in their view of the data and their results, and there was no hint of tailoring results to a particular agenda." Instead, "their sole aim was to establish as robust a record of temperatures in recent centuries as possible.""

Pennsylvania State University

"The second Investigatory Committee reported on 4 June 2010 that it had "determined that Dr. Michael E. Mann did not engage in, nor did he participate in, directly or indirectly, any actions that seriously deviated from accepted practices within the academic community.""

The US EPA

"The EPA examined every email and concluded that there was no merit to the claims in the petitions, which "routinely misunderstood the scientific issues", reached "faulty scientific conclusions", "resorted to hyperbole", and "often cherry-pick language that creates the suggestion or appearance of impropriety, without looking deeper into the issues."[112] In a statement issued on 29 July 2010, EPA Administrator Lisa P. Jackson said the petitions were based "on selectively edited, out-of-context data and a manufactured controversy" and provided "no evidence to undermine our determination. Excess greenhouse gases are a threat to our health and welfare."

National Science Foundation

"The Office of the Inspector General (0IG) of the National Science Foundation closed an investigation on 15 August 2011 that exonerated Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University of charges of scientific misconduct.[119] It found no evidence of research misconduct, and confirmed the results of earlier inquiries."

Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Commerce"

"In May 2010 Senator Jim Inhofe requested the Inspector General of the United States Department of Commerce to conduct an independent review of how the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) had dealt with the emails, and whether the emails showed any wrongdoing.[116] The report, issued on 18 February 2011,[117] cleared the researchers and "did not find any evidence that NOAA inappropriately manipulated data or failed to adhere to appropriate peer review procedures"."

Notice how most of these reports were issued in 2010 with the Department of Commerce report coming out in February 2011.

The notice that the Heartland Institute continued to make the same very disproved claim in November 2011 and continues to leave it posted on their site.

These guys, they stink up the world....
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


High Resolution Rapid-Refresh (Experimental)


is it new?
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1067. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
Quoting BobWallace:


They want people to scrub "all statements" about these leaked documents?

This is on their site right now...

"November 22, 2011 S. Fred Singer James M. Taylor Richard J. Trzupek Maureen Martin John Monaghan

Another shoe dropped in the Climategate scandal today with the release of thousands more emails revealing how the scientists who contributed to the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) conspired to hide and manipulate data calling into question the theory of man-caused global warming."

http://heartland.org/press-releases/2011/11/22/he artland-institute-reacts-climategate-2-emails

This is months after multiple investigations found that the charge of conspiring to hide and manipulate data was not based on fact.

These jerks were all over the stolen emails and played a major role in taking things out of context and distorting reality. They leave up stuff proven to be a lie.

And now they want people to forget what was leaked out of their organization?



like i said all very suspicious the wrangling tactic
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1066. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
Quoting reedzone:
What a bust, the conditions are there but no storms... I'm a bit disappointed. Was expecting a good severe weather event today and just got a lone shower instead.


yeah thats the problem with models
what you get and whats depicted
are two different things
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Quoting Skyepony:
I found the original press release from Heartland Institute...

We respectfully ask all activists, bloggers, and other journalists to immediately remove all of these documents and any quotations taken from them, especially the fake %u201Cclimate strategy%u201D memo and any quotations from the same, from their blogs, Web sites, and publications, and to publish retractions.

The individuals who have commented so far on these documents did not wait for Heartland to confirm or deny the authenticity of the documents. We believe their actions constitute civil and possibly criminal offenses for which we plan to pursue charges and collect payment for damages, including damages to our reputation. We ask them in particular to immediately remove these documents and all statements about them from the blogs, Web sites, and publications, and to publish retractions.



I just don't see Dr Masters publishing a retraction..


They want people to scrub "all statements" about these leaked documents?

This is on their site right now...

"November 22, 2011 S. Fred Singer James M. Taylor Richard J. Trzupek Maureen Martin John Monaghan

Another shoe dropped in the Climategate scandal today with the release of thousands more emails revealing how the scientists who contributed to the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) conspired to hide and manipulate data calling into question the theory of man-caused global warming."

http://heartland.org/press-releases/2011/11/22/he artland-institute-reacts-climategate-2-emails

This is months after multiple investigations found that the charge of conspiring to hide and manipulate data was not based on fact.

These jerks were all over the stolen emails and played a major role in taking things out of context and distorting reality. They leave up stuff proven to be a lie.

And now they want people to forget what was leaked out of their organization?



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Quoting SPLbeater:


thanks bud!



i never heard of that model...


High Resolution Rapid-Refresh (Experimental)
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Quoting SPLbeater:


thanks bud!



\

Now if i could only tell that storm chaser to drive east to the heaviest snow. He is just driving around London,KY right now.
Oh well, guess that is what you get when you depend on other people.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Whatever....just trying to correct your mistake.


lol
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Quoting GeorgiaStormz:

Here:


and you can see the snow Here


thanks bud!

Quoting WxGeekVA:
I won't give up yet! Latest HRRR:



i never heard of that model...
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Quoting SPLbeater:


you take that, because i have my correct numbers.

The 00z GFS run gave me 4.3 inches.

Whatever....just trying to correct your mistake.
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I won't give up yet! Latest HRRR:

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1058. LargoFl
Quoting nymore:
federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon and for diesel it is 24.4 cents add in state taxes and the average for gas is 48.1 cents and for diesel it is 53.1 cents per gallon. As an aside the president can not raise or lower taxes or tariffs it seems that the Constitution does not give him this power, it belongs to the Congress.
Quoting RTSplayer:


I know that.

My post was just assuming the "evil greedy bastards like to try to take everyone else down with them anyway" mentality.

Look at the sort of stuff we saw in Iraq: false surrenders, false SOS, and suicide bombings.

Clearly, no tactic would give them any chance of destroying even one of our battle groups, but if a few bombs get through, our ships are very expensive and our sailors lives too. U.S.S. Cole was heavily damaged by suicide bomb.
no not a tax, 1.00 a gallon to go as aid, to the oil companies to build refineries, none have been built as of yet..someone better at the internet searches than i can go search up his speech, but anyone complaining about the price of gas now..had better blame GWB because it could be, one dollar less, right now
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Quoting SPLbeater:
WHere is the snow line now..
We have some sleet mixing with the rain here in Chapel Hill. The snowline along the Va border will keep coming south/southeast the next few hours.
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1056. LargoFl
Quoting Skyepony:
I found the original press release from Heartland Institute...

We respectfully ask all activists, bloggers, and other journalists to immediately remove all of these documents and any quotations taken from them, especially the fake %u201Cclimate strategy%u201D memo and any quotations from the same, from their blogs, Web sites, and publications, and to publish retractions.

The individuals who have commented so far on these documents did not wait for Heartland to confirm or deny the authenticity of the documents. We believe their actions constitute civil and possibly criminal offenses for which we plan to pursue charges and collect payment for damages, including damages to our reputation. We ask them in particular to immediately remove these documents and all statements about them from the blogs, Web sites, and publications, and to publish retractions.



I just don't see Dr Masters publishing a retraction..
The doc is on vacation
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What a bust, the conditions are there but no storms... I'm a bit disappointed. Was expecting a good severe weather event today and just got a lone shower instead.
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Quoting SPLbeater:
WHere is the snow line now..

Here:


and you can see the snow Here
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WHere is the snow line now..
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1052. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
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1051. bappit
This could be an example of the Streisand effect.
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The arctic sea ice extent has leveled off and is at or very near the annual maximum for this year.

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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
FOX rules the ratings. Chaps your butts, admit it. LOL


I would suggest that this only shows the propensity of so many wishing to be entertained as opposed to being informed. You only need to examine all of the "reality" shows across the networks to realize this. "Reality"? pffftttt!
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1048. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
The Associated Press

Date: Sun. Feb. 19 2012 1:49 PM ET

BEIRUT — Gunmen in Syria staged a guerrilla-style ambush that killed a senior state prosecutor and a judge Sunday in an attack that suggested armed factions are growing bolder and more co-ordinated in their uprising against President Bashar Assad's regime.

The roadway slayings -- reported in an opposition-dominated northern region by the Syrian state news agency -- came a day after a deadly hit-and-run attack on a political figure in the heart of the pro-Assad city of Aleppo.

The targeted killings have not reached Assad's inner circle, but they indicate a growing shift toward violent tactics by the opposition as it brings aboard more military defectors and seeks to tighten control over the small pieces of territory in its hands.

The fears of a looming civil war have neighbouring Jordan racing to finish a refugee camp near the Syrian border to handle a possible exodus of people fleeing for safety.

Meanwhile, Egypt became the latest Arab nation to publicly snub Assad by ordering the withdrawal of its ambassador in Damascus.

The Syrian government has offered some concessions, including proposing a referendum next week that could allow more political voices to challenge Assad's Baath Party. But the opposition demands nothing short of Assad's resignation. And the regime has not eased off its attacks on the opposition forces, which it describes as "terrorists" carrying out a foreign conspiracy to destabilize the country.

In Homs in central Syria, government forces sent in reinforcements as they shelled the rebel-held Baba Amr district that has been under near constant barrage for nearly two weeks, said the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. The group said at least 14 people were killed Sunday across Syria, half of them by government troops.

"I'm worried that Syria is going to slide into a civil war," British Foreign Secretary William Hague told the BBC on Sunday.

The U.N. last gave a death toll for the conflict in January, saying 5,400 people had been killed in 2011 alone. But hundreds more have been killed since, according to activist groups. An opposition group, Local Coordination Committees, says more than 7,300 have been killed since the uprising began more than 11 months ago.

There is no way to independently verify the numbers, since Syria bans almost all foreign journalists and human rights organizations.

The latest assassinations came on a road in the northwest province of Idlib, which has become a patchwork of areas held either by the government or mutinous soldiers who have safe-haven bases in nearby Turkey.

The state news agency SANA said gunmen opened fire on a car carrying Idlib provincial state prosecutor Nidal Ghazal and Judge Mohammed Ziadeh, who were killed instantly. The driver also was fatally wounded.

Idlib has witnessed intense clashes between troops loyal to Assad and army defectors who attack and then melt into the rugged mountains. In June, the town of Jisr al-Shugour became the first area to fall into the hands of rebels, who were accused by the government of killing scores of people and setting government buildings on fire. Syrian troops loyal to Assad retook the area shortly afterward.

On Saturday, SANA said gunmen shot to death Jamal al-Bish, a member of the city council of the nearby northern city of Aleppo. The city has been a centre of support for Assad since the uprising began.

The back-to-back slayings follow the Feb. 11 killing of a Syrian army general in the first assassination to take place in the capital city of Damascus. Brig. Gen. Issa al-Khouli, a doctor and the chief of a military hospital in the capital, was shot as he left his home. Last month, the head of the Syrian Arab Red Crescent branch in Idlib was shot to death while on his way to Damascus.

In Cairo, Egyptian state news agency MENA said Foreign Minister Mohammed Amr decided to withdraw the country's ambassador to Syria. The report gave no reason for the decision, but Arab governments have been pulling back diplomatic backing for Assad in protest against his refusal to back regional peace efforts.

Earlier this month, the six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council, led by powerful Saudi Arabia, said it would withdraw its ambassadors and expel Syrian envoys from the oil-rich region. Tunisia also has pulled its ambassador from Damascus.

In Damascus, a funeral was held for a man killed a day earlier when Syrian security forces fired bullets and tear gas at thousands of people marching in a funeral procession that turned into one of the largest protests in the capital.

The Local Coordination Committees said security forces pressured the parents of the victim, Samer al-Khatib, to bury him early so that his funeral would not turn into an anti-government protest.

Activist groups called for a one-day strike in Damascus to express support for other cities in revolt. But there was little response. Residents in the capital told The Associated Press that businesses were open as usual on the first day of the work week. School and universities also were operating.

Calls for strikes in the past did not succeed in tightly controlled Damascus, where government forces and informers keep a close eye on all activities. The capital has been mostly quiet since the uprising began.



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1047. Skyepony (Mod)
I found the original press release from Heartland Institute...

We respectfully ask all activists, bloggers, and other journalists to immediately remove all of these documents and any quotations taken from them, especially the fake %u201Cclimate strategy%u201D memo and any quotations from the same, from their blogs, Web sites, and publications, and to publish retractions.

The individuals who have commented so far on these documents did not wait for Heartland to confirm or deny the authenticity of the documents. We believe their actions constitute civil and possibly criminal offenses for which we plan to pursue charges and collect payment for damages, including damages to our reputation. We ask them in particular to immediately remove these documents and all statements about them from the blogs, Web sites, and publications, and to publish retractions.



I just don't see Dr Masters publishing a retraction..
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1046. Grothar
Quoting Articuno:


Wasn't allowed on for a week because I waited till the last minute to do my science project.. :|


I know how you feel Art. My kids won't let me on sometimes until I've taken my nap. Glad to see you back.
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1045. bappit
I need glasses. I read that at first as "baffle em with your butt".
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Here is some heavy snow:




And a link to a spotter driving through the snow:
Link
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1043. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:
No, it scares the $#it out of me. Democracy doesn't yield good results when the populace is ignorant. And what this has to do with the Dr's blog is that there are some who seem to have mastered the tactic of changing the topic.

"If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle em with your bull." W.C. Fields
lol
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1042. bappit
Quoting RevElvis:
Heartland Institute Threatens To Sue Anyone Who Comments On Leaked Documents

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I don't brake for trolls !

"... and collect payment for damages"

Seems this business model has been used in the patent and copyright wars. Did they leak them on purpose? LOL
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Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


Getting elected is about telling people what they want to hear. That is why cutting entitlement benefits is so unpopular. Even if it is the right thing to do.
That is also why most politicians' popularity declines in the long run, since regardless of their beliefs, practices, and promises, they cannot do what they said they would.
For presidents, who are under the most speculation, they tend not to be able to do exactly what they want, and end up becoming much less popular at the end of their term of office than at the beginning.
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Quoting RTSplayer:


Actually, most of the platforms Presidential candidates run on are nonsense, as they make a lot of claims about what "they" will do if elected, and almost none of it is within the realm of Constitutional Presidential powers.


Getting elected is about telling people what they want to hear. That is why cutting entitlement benefits is so unpopular. Even if it is the right thing to do.
That is also why most politicians' popularity declines in the long run, since regardless of their beliefs, practices, and promises, they cannot do what they said they would.
For presidents, who are under the most speculation, they tend not to do exactly what they want, and end up becoming much less popular at the end of their term of office than at the beginning.
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Heartland Institute Threatens To Sue Anyone Who Comments On Leaked Documents

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I don't brake for trolls !
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
FOX rules the ratings. Chaps your butts, admit it. LOL
No, it scares the $#it out of me. Democracy doesn't yield good results when the populace is ignorant. And what this has to do with the Dr's blog is that there are some who seem to have mastered the tactic of changing the topic.

"If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle em with your bull." W.C. Fields
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Quoting nymore:
federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon and for diesel it is 24.4 cents add in state taxes and the average for gas is 48.1 cents and for diesel it is 53.1 cents per gallon. As an aside the president can not raise or lower taxes or tariffs it seems that the Constitution does not give him this power, it belongs to the Congress.


Actually, most of the platforms Presidential candidates run on are nonsense, as they make a lot of claims about what "they" will do if elected, and almost none of it is within the realm of Constitutional Presidential powers.
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Quoting SPLbeater:


i can send you 10,00 snowflakes in the form of a snowball. right in the chest, lol



its better than nothing
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Quoting Articuno:


Wasn't allowed on for a week because I waited till the last minute to do my science project.. :|


i was about to lol that then remembered me not being allowed on. so i know where your coming from there.

I hate science projects that arent weather

Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


Lucky.
iHope to get a snowflake this winter


i can send you 10,00 snowflakes in the form of a snowball. right in the chest, lol
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Quoting LargoFl:
i have a problem with this fact you posted, early in GWB's first term, he came on tv and announced he was adding $1.00 to the price of gas, so as to help the oil companies build new refineries, ok, so he did it, it is now 2012..exactly how many NEW refineries were actually built?, you say none in 20 years...what happened??? exactly where did our dollar a gallon go?...oh, they needed new yachts instead?
federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon and for diesel it is 24.4 cents add in state taxes and the average for gas is 48.1 cents and for diesel it is 53.1 cents per gallon. As an aside the president can not raise or lower taxes or tariffs it seems that the Constitution does not give him this power, it belongs to the Congress.
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Quoting SPLbeater:


same here. but im pretty confident i will have somethin to tromp around in.. :D






Lucky.
iHope to get a snowflake this winter
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Quoting SPLbeater:


same here. but im pretty confident i will have somethin to tromp around in.. :D




hey articuno were ya been


Wasn't allowed on for a week because I waited till the last minute to do my science project.. :|
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


I think its because it gets new data when the 06Z and 18Z GFS use some of the same data from the previous run. I just have found that the 0Z performs the best out of all of the runs.


i shall accept that.
Member Since: August 4, 2011 Posts: 46 Comments: 4485
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
Hey yall.
In some areas of KY which have been receiving rain according to radar already have a good dusting of snow according to spotter video. If only that would come to GA:(
Watching it snow elsewhere depresses me.


same here. but im pretty confident i will have somethin to tromp around in.. :D


Quoting Articuno:


hey articuno were ya been
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