Heartland Institute documents reveal strategy of attacks against climate science

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:15 PM GMT on February 17, 2012

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Documents illegally leaked from the Heartland Institute, one of the most active groups engaged in attacking the science of climate change, provide an unprecedented look into how these groups operate. The story was broken Tuesday by DeSmogBlog, a website dedicated to exposing false claims about climate change science. The documents reveal that donors to Heartland included oil billionaire Charles Koch, and Heartland has spent several million dollars over the past five years to undermine climate science. Tens of thousands of dollars are slated to go this year to well-known climate contrarians S.Fred Singer, Craig Idso, and Anthony Watts of the Watts Up With That? website. Naturally, the leaked documents have lit up the blogosphere, but none of the revelations are particularly surprising. The U.S. has a very successful and well-funded climate change denial industry, primarily funded by fossil fuel companies, that has spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the past few decades on a PR campaign against climate change science. I made a lengthy post on the subject in 2009 called, The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy. I won't say more here, but getenergysmartnow.com has compiled a long list of blogs that have interesting posts on the Heartland Institute affair for those interested in following this story.



Eight books challenging the Manufactured Doubt industry
Important scientific findings should always be challenged with the goal of finding flaws and improving our scientific understanding. But there's nothing a scientist hates more than to see good science attacked and the reputations of good scientists smeared in name of protecting corporate profits or ideology. A number of scientists have fought back against the recent unfounded assaults on climate change science by publishing books calling attention to the Manufactured Doubt industry's tactics and goals. Anyone priding themselves on being a open-minded skeptic of human-caused global warming should challenge their skepticism by reading one of these works. I thought so highly of Unscientific America, Merchants of Doubt, and Climate Coverup, that I donated 50 copies of these books to undergraduates at the University of Michigan last year. Here's a short synopsis of eight books published in the past three years defending climate change science against the attacks of the Manufactured Doubt industry:

Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming, by Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway. If you're going to read one book on the attacks on climate science, this should probably be the one--Dr. Oreskes, a history professor at UC San Diego, was voted climate change communicator of the year in 2011. A review of Merchants of Doubt and a video of her defending her book against skeptics is at climateprogress.org, my favorite website for staying current on the politics of climate change. From the review: "Make the journey with them, and you’ll see renowned scientists abandon science, you’ll see environmentalism equated with communism, and you’ll discover the connection between the Cold War and climate denial. And for the most part, you’ll be entertained along the way."

Climate Cover-up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming, by desmogblog.com co-founders James Hoggan and Richard Littlemore. The main author, James Hoggan, owns a Canadian public relations firm, and is intimately familiar with how public relations campaigns work. It's another fascinating and very readable book.

Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens our Future, by science writer Chris Mooney. He writes a blog focusing on science communication called the intersection. This is a fantastic book, and should be required reading for all college science majors.

Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand, by Haydn Washington and John Cook. John Cook writes for one of my favorite climate science blogs, skepticalscience.com, which focuses on debunking false skeptic claims about climate science. The book does a great job debunking all the classic climate change denial arguments.

Doubt is Their Product: How Industry's Assault on Science Threatens Your Health, by George Washington University epidemiologist David Michaels, who now heads the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA). This meticulously-researched book has just one chapter on climate change, and focuses more on tobacco and hazardous chemicals. About the the tobacco industry's Manufactured Doubt campaigns, Michaels wrote: "the industry understood that the public is in no position to distinguish good science from bad. Create doubt, uncertainty, and confusion. Throw mud at the anti-smoking research under the assumption that some of it is bound to stick. And buy time, lots of it, in the bargain". The title of Michaels' book comes from a 1969 memo from a tobacco company executive: "Doubt is our product since it is the best means of competing with the 'body of fact' that exists in the minds of the general public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy".

The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines, by climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann. Dr. Mann is the originator of the much-debated "hockey stick" graph of global temperatures over the past 1,000 years, which looks like a hockey stick due to the sharp increase in temperatures in recent decades. This book just came out last week, and I hope to write a review on it this spring. Dr. Mann is one of the main contributors to my favorite web site for staying current on climate change research, realclimate.org. John Cook of skepticalscience.com wrote a review, calling it "an eye-opening account of the lengths the opponents of climate science will go to in their campaign to slander climate scientists and distract the public from the realities of human caused global warming."

Fool Me Twice: Fighting the Assault on Science in America by Shawn Lawrence Otto. I haven't had a chance to read this one yet, but it looks interesting. A review by Katherine O’Konski of Climate Science Watch called the book "a fascinating look at the status of science in American society."

The Inquisition of Climate Science, by Dr. James Lawrence Powell, a geochemist with a distinguished career as a college teacher, college president, museum director, and author of books on earth science for general audiences. I haven't read it, but John Cook of skepticalscience.com wrote a review, calling it "a must-read for anyone who wishes to understand the full scope of the denial industry and their modern day persecution of climate science."

Have a great weekend, everyone! I'll be taking a few vacation days next week, and wunderground meteorologist Angela Fritz will probably be doing most of the blogging for me during the coming week.

Jeff Masters

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Talking about hurricane season it feels like it could be a real bad one temps today reached 98 thats real hot for feb and if you look at ocean teps you know it could be bad.
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


It isn't over yet for snow! Latest HRRR:



another reason i like that model. it shows counties. i can tell excaclty were i is.
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snow line in Randolph county NC now. getin closer
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Quoting washingtonian115:
I do keep in mind however about potential effects the season could have.I love to track hurricanes and with a el niño forming that would likely limit the amount of storms their is to track.Take 09 for an example.


It isn't over yet for snow! Latest HRRR:

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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

A majority of the ENSO models are predicting weak El Nino conditions for the upcoming hurricane season. This means it will be weaker overall than last year and 2010, but that doesn't mean it will go without landfalls. This year could end up being worse than the past year as it only takes one...
This is a leap year, things always seem to go wrong in a leap year. '92 Andrew hit South FL, '96 was nasty for North Carolina, '00 Keith did a number on Central America, '04 Storms made an "X" over FL. and '08 Ike devastated the coastline of Texas.
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Quoting PlazaRed:
All this talk about oil,Iran and pipelines etc.

Here's a little bit of approximate calculations for you based on an extract from an article I just read on a US site.

"Our goals should be to get gasoline to $2.50 or less so that working families can actually get to work and retired families can travel," Gingrich said at a campaign event in Los Angeles Thursday."
Link below:-

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46446824/ns/business- oil_and_energy/

Based on the UK price of Diesel at £1.45/liter
About 3,8 liters to the US gallon gives About £5,51/US gallon.
Times this by $1.60 exchange rate and you get:-$8.81/US Gallon.

A bit approximate but not far off. Gives a bit of an idea of what the Europeans are having to pay. Prices differ somewhat from country to country but gas ain't cheap over here.



avg. commute in UK. is 8.5 miles, but takes 45 minutes.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3085647.stm

avg. for the U.S. is significantly lower in time, but maybe not in distance.

usgovinfo.about.com/od/censusandstatistics/a/comm utetimes.htm

claims the average distance in America is 16 miles.

This must be extremely heavily biased by city dwellers, since people driving from urban or rural areas clearly drive several times that much in some cases.

askville.amazon.com/average-commuting-distance-am ericans/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=2554434

So if our fuel costed that much, then the average out of pocket expense would be double.

I just figured it'd cost $105 to fill up my car's tank just once.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

A majority of the ENSO models are predicting weak El Nino conditions for the upcoming hurricane season. This means it will be weaker overall than last year and 2010, but that doesn't mean it will go without landfalls. This year could end up being worse than the past year as it only takes one...
I do keep in mind however about potential effects the season could have.I love to track hurricanes and with a el niño forming that would likely limit the amount of storms their is to track.Take 09 for an example.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
I expect this hurricane season to be nothing but whack and perhaps boring likely in part to a potential el niño.I am really not looking forward to it.Maybe next year.

A majority of the ENSO models are predicting weak El Nino conditions for the upcoming hurricane season. This means it will be weaker overall than last year and 2010, but that doesn't mean it will go without landfalls. This year could end up being worse than the past year as it only takes one...
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I expect this hurricane season to be nothing but whack and perhaps boring likely in part to a potential el niño.I am really not looking forward to it.Maybe next year.
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Quoting PlazaRed:
All this talk about oil,Iran and pipelines etc.

Here's a little bit of approximate calculations for you based on an extract from an article I just read on a US site.

"Our goals should be to get gasoline to $2.50 or less so that working families can actually get to work and retired families can travel," Gingrich said at a campaign event in Los Angeles Thursday."
Link below:-

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46446824/ns/business- oil_and_energy/

Based on the UK price of Diesel at £1.45/liter
About 3,8 liters to the US gallon gives About £5,51/US gallon.
Times this by $1.60 exchange rate and you get:-$8.81/US Gallon.

A bit approximate but not far off. Gives a bit of an idea of what the Europeans are having to pay. Prices differ somewhat from country to country but gas ain't cheap over here.



One of the big questions for budgeting a European vacation is the price of gas. In short, European prices are considerably higher than they are in America, about 2.3 x higher.
Make no mistake: the price of the raw gas is about the same as the U.S., but Europe taxes gasoline at a higher rate. At the moment, taxes in France make up about 70 percent of the pump price. For comparison, the U.S. federal gasoline tax of of 2005 was 18.4 cents per gallon, with each State adding between 10 and 33 cents of tax, according to Widipedia. That makes the maximum gasoline tax rate 17% in the U.S.
Link
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Quoting bappit:
I cannot forgive Heartland Institute for what they did with tobacco. They do not serve a useful purpose.


Well, they don't serve a useful purpose in regards to promoting the common good. They're very useful for feeding the insatiable greed of wealthy sociopathic parasites.
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All this talk about oil,Iran and pipelines etc.

Here's a little bit of approximate calculations for you based on an extract from an article I just read on a US site.

"Our goals should be to get gasoline to $2.50 or less so that working families can actually get to work and retired families can travel," Gingrich said at a campaign event in Los Angeles Thursday."
Link below:-

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46446824/ns/business- oil_and_energy/

Based on the UK price of Diesel at £1.45/liter
About 3,8 liters to the US gallon gives About £5,51/US gallon.
Times this by $1.60 exchange rate and you get:-$8.81/US Gallon.

A bit approximate but not far off. Gives a bit of an idea of what the Europeans are having to pay. Prices differ somewhat from country to country but gas ain't cheap over here.

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Could a noreaster form out of this system if it goes offshore?
I am probably thinking too extreme though.
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1117. yqt1001
Quoting RTSplayer:


Citation?

I recall there were some minor corrections in mid-term forecasts, but that overall the models easily outperformed the blog and the armchair quarterbacking.

Intensity was a bit off a few times, but so what? They tell you that ahead of time.


Intensity wasn't off a few times, it was usually 100% of the time, and generally off by 10kts at least. I must give credit to some models for picking out some of the more random storm formations. However, in general, 2011 wasn't something anyone could predict with accuracy, the storms had a mind of their own.

Track forecast was ok though at about 3 days out.
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Quoting yqt1001:
I lost all confidence in model forecasts during the 2011 hurricane season.

They preformed so poorly, I just take a "expect the unexpected" stance on TCs now.


Citation?

I recall there were some minor corrections in mid-term forecasts, but that overall the models easily outperformed the blog and the armchair quarterbacking.

Intensity was a bit off a few times, but so what? They tell you that ahead of time.
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Quoting RevElvis:
Heartland Institute Threatens To Sue Anyone Who Comments On Leaked Documents

SlashDot Link

I don't brake for trolls !


Apparently the Heartland Institute is not familiar with the Streisand Effect.
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We now have TD 13S....30 knots.
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The 18z NAM give me round an inch of snow, who knows maybe tonight while im sleepin. wasnt forecast to accumulate snow today anyways ;)
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Quoting wxmod:


I was thinking that some people on this blog were paid to be stupid and water down the conversation with trivia and tripe. After all, this IS a sort of a 'fix global warming' blog, and, as the blog title suggests today, there are polluters who don't want this kind of conversation to exist. There's one guy who keeps telling us that he's going to bed, and then he's back in five minutes, or he tells us what he's eating or watching on tv. Is it possible that anyone is that stupid?


I will see that and raise you a FailBook. A mere 10 minutes on that site plus browsing "stupid" videos on youtube will seriously make you wonder how we have survived to this point. :P
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Quoting Xyrus2000:


Hah. Never happen. The models botched this "snow storm" so bad I'm having a hard time trusting them more than 12 hours out, let alone 264 hours. :D


That's why I said "Dreamland" GFS....lol
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1110. yqt1001
I lost all confidence in model forecasts during the 2011 hurricane season.

They preformed so poorly, I just take a "expect the unexpected" stance on TCs now.
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Quoting WxGeekVA:
Meanwhile on the 12Z "Dreamland" GFS....



Hah. Never happen. The models botched this "snow storm" so bad I'm having a hard time trusting them more than 12 hours out, let alone 264 hours. :D
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This HRRR model is interesting...
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Looks like VA is doing alright with this storm but also looks like a total bust for NC... GFS nailed this one
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Forecast for us calls for barely any snow.
What do you guys think Pasadena MD will get?
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this event is almost sad...
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1104. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
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1103. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
Oh well snow is going off to virginia. bye.
tomorrow ill try to analyze the next few systems.s

Oh and the NAM was wrong. NC gets almost nothing, VA gets everything.
yep just as i forecasted no snow for them too warm and now its moving out towards the ne
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1102. bappit
I cannot forgive Heartland Institute for what they did with tobacco. They do not serve a useful purpose.
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Oh well snow is going off to virginia. bye.
tomorrow ill try to analyze the next few systems.s

Oh and the NAM was wrong. NC gets almost nothing, VA gets everything.
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Quoting Xyrus2000:


I have a Midland Weather Radio WR-120. Cheap, compact, can run on batteries. I know a lot of members on here that have a Midland weather radio of one sort or another.


Thank you! I see them often while I've been researching what to buy.
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You know, I have no problem with HI as a whistleblower. We need pple to call out others when they are doing wrong. My problem is with breaking the golden rule, aka double standard. It may indeed turn out that these documents have nothing to do with them. But they should at least expect to be treated the way everybody else has been treated.
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:


Like the socialism bent of the majority of the bloggers on this site. If that's your thing, come out of the closet and proclaim it to the world.


Yes, I'm a socialist. I'm certainly not like the cold war era Russians, Chinese, or North Koreans though.

I support progressive millionaire's tax.

I support progressive luxury tax and "sin tax" on expensive and lucrative forms of entertainment, such as the top 50% of sports tickets and suites at stadiums.

I support doing away with corporate tax loopholes.

I support a 7 year limit on patents and trademarks, or at most the lifetime of the primary contributing inventor who shall be a single individual.

After expiration of LIMITED patents, all knowledge and technology should become public domain, as the CONSTITUTION gives no rights to "corporations" or other abstract entities, but gives LIMITED rights to the original inventor.

I think it's only fair that if we can give a patent or trademark on a toy gun or a ninja turtle, then they can certainly give people like Rossi a patent on their e-cat device so they are protected. If it's a fraud, prosecute them later.

I support a strong nationalist philosophy, and believe we should quit giving away our technology to other nations or multi-national corporations.

I also believe in reprisal in war, and believe we have a God given right to take back payment for damages and expenses to ourselves and allies from the stupid wars started by Iraq and terrorists, and soon Iran.


I want freedom from corrupt government, but I also want freedom from banks, corporations, and tycoons who own everything.

I am for total digital surveillance in all public places, provided it is used only as admissible evidence for prosecution of violent crimes in the case of crimes of a similar category of rape, murder(or attempted murder, kidnapping, and assault.

AND provided private surveillance institutions and private would be allowed to implement their own surveillance as counter-evidence to keep any government law agencies honest.

The conservative may be outraged at that. I am not. I find the number of unsolved cases of violent crime in this country absolutely appalling. I also find the number of false convictions of people later proven innocent as absolutely outrageous and unacceptable in the modern world.

I believe HIPPA medical practices need to be modified to protect the rights of doctors, hospitals, and medical personel, so that they can make digital recordings of their procedures and duties to protect themselves in the case of medical malpractice suits.

I believe cases of STDs and certain particularly nasty infectious diseases should be reported publicly for the safety of the common good, to protect the RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS AND HEALTH of other citizens, and that failure to report these cases in a reasonable time period should be considered a crime.


If you believe in free speech, then free speech that is intended to save people's lives should be an absolute unrestricted right.


I believe the 4th amendment needs to be re-written and broken down into separate amendments or clauses, which are to be modernized to fit the modern world's information technology and financial system, and the crimes and potential crimes which are nearly impossible to solve under it's present language and application, and to facilitate the "protect the innocent" surveillance system I envision.


Oh yeah, I believe the practice police using "bait cars" to encourage theft, and then arresting people should be banned.

The practice of private repo companies driving up to people's houses or work places and taking stuff without a police presence to protect the people from the abusive crap you see on those television shows should also be banned.


I believe when a politician or elected official is giving a public interview or campaign speach, they should be required by law to speak the absolute truth as they know it, except in matters of top-secret information, since they are operating in an role of alleged service to the people.

This bit of one party totally disagreeing about the facts of an issue with another party is intellectual dishonesty. It's one thing to have a different theory. It's another thing to lie about the facts as a matter of practice.
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
One shouldn't justify poor behavior by pointing to other poor behavior. Adults should know better.


I know right?
I am a kid and i know better!
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1096. bappit
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
One shouldn't justify poor behavior by pointing to other poor behavior. Adults should know better.

No one tried to justify anyone's behavior. We are just pointing out how sad Heartland Institute is.

Edit: And we are just quoting from their own website to do it. LOL
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One shouldn't justify poor behavior by pointing to other poor behavior. Adults should know better.
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Quoting Skyepony:
I found the original press release from Heartland Institute...

We respectfully ask all activists, bloggers, and other journalists to immediately remove all of these documents and any quotations taken from them, especially the fake %u201Cclimate strategy%u201D memo and any quotations from the same, from their blogs, Web sites, and publications, and to publish retractions.

The individuals who have commented so far on these documents did not wait for Heartland to confirm or deny the authenticity of the documents. We believe their actions constitute civil and possibly criminal offenses for which we plan to pursue charges and collect payment for damages, including damages to our reputation. We ask them in particular to immediately remove these documents and all statements about them from the blogs, Web sites, and publications, and to publish retractions.



I just don't see Dr Masters publishing a retraction..


The link to their source is still active in the Times' article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/16/science/earth/i n-heartland-institute-leak-a-plan-to-discredit-cli mate-teaching.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper

So, The legal department at the NYT must be pretty clear about it.
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Quoting BahaHurican:
This became available sometime last year, right? I need to add it to my linx.


I believe so.
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The HRRR is an experimental real-time 3-km resolution, hourly updated, cloud-resolving atmospheric model, initialized by DFI-fields from the 13km radar-enhanced Rapid Refresh starting 14 April 2011 replacing the previous Rapid Update Cycle (RUC) both run at NOAA/ESRL/GSD as a real-time demonstration.
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Quoting BahaHurican:
This became available sometime last year, right? I need to add it to my linx.


I have so many links i cant find anything anymore, but this HRRR looks interesting.
The Rapid Refresh (RR) is a new model to replace the Rapid Update (RUC). The HRRR is a nested grid version of the RUC, but in this case it's the RR, therefore the output is similar, but not the same due to the differing resolutions/domains used.

So i guess it will eventually replace ruc
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1090. nymore
Quoting LargoFl:
no not a tax, 1.00 a gallon to go as aid, to the oil companies to build refineries, none have been built as of yet..someone better at the internet searches than i can go search up his speech, but anyone complaining about the price of gas now..had better blame GWB because it could be, one dollar less, right now
In 2010 American average usage of gasoline was 380,000,000 gallons per day. So your saying the government gives the oil companies 380 million dollars per day. That is pure nonsense try and research facts a little before making false statements. The federal gov't brings in approx. 69.9 million in taxes per day from gasoline.
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


Not really, but it's not fully operational yet. It may be in the future but it does fairly well within those 12 hours at simulating the radar.
This became available sometime last year, right? I need to add it to my linx.
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Quoting bappit:
This is painful irony.

"Those persons who posted these documents and wrote about them before we had a chance to comment on their authenticity should be ashamed of their deeds, and their bad behavior should be taken into account when judging their credibility now and in the future."

That's from these guys.
Heartland Institute, AKA Hypocricy Incorporated.

I always have a hard time with people who like to dish it out but can't take it. If you can't take the fallout, stay in the shelter.
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1087. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
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1086. wxmod
Quoting Skyepony:
I found the original press release from Heartland Institute...

We respectfully ask all activists, bloggers, and other journalists to immediately remove all of these documents and any quotations taken from them, especially the fake %u201Cclimate strategy%u201D memo and any quotations from the same, from their blogs, Web sites, and publications, and to publish retractions.

The individuals who have commented so far on these documents did not wait for Heartland to confirm or deny the authenticity of the documents. We believe their actions constitute civil and possibly criminal offenses for which we plan to pursue charges and collect payment for damages, including damages to our reputation. We ask them in particular to immediately remove these documents and all statements about them from the blogs, Web sites, and publications, and to publish retractions.



I just don't see Dr Masters publishing a retraction..


Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Can't wait to sue heartland over the ripped off climate scientist emails that they hired people to comment on. Imagine what info could be got from a criminal subpoena. How bout the info you could get from heartland getting them to prove that the documents were not intentionally leaked, etc, etc.
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Quoting BobWallace:


They want people to scrub "all statements" about these leaked documents?

This is on their site right now...

"November 22, 2011 S. Fred Singer James M. Taylor Richard J. Trzupek Maureen Martin John Monaghan

Another shoe dropped in the Climategate scandal today with the release of thousands more emails revealing how the scientists who contributed to the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) conspired to hide and manipulate data calling into question the theory of man-caused global warming."

http://heartland.org/press-releases/2011/11/22/he artland-institute-reacts-climategate-2-emails

This is months after multiple investigations found that the charge of conspiring to hide and manipulate data was not based on fact.

These jerks were all over the stolen emails and played a major role in taking things out of context and distorting reality. They leave up stuff proven to be a lie.

And now they want people to forget what was leaked out of their organization?



Thanks, Bob. This was the 1st thing to come to mind when I saw the bit about them suing. There's a saying: What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander."

Eat hearty, Heartland.
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Talk about being spoiled by nature.Snow is a no go in this city!!!.I had a busy weekend.Finally have sometime to myself.My prayers have been answered!!!!
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1083. bappit
"The Heartland Institute apologizes to the donors whose identities were revealed by this theft."

Sounds like it was authentic. Same guys ... of course.

Edit: Maybe the donors should sue Heartland for handling their private information irresponsibly.

"We promise anonymity to many of our donors ..."

They did not live up to their end of the bargain when they sent the documents to an external email address.
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


Not really, but it's not fully operational yet. It may be in the future but it does fairly well within those 12 hours at simulating the radar.


i reckon ima wait for the 18Z runs of GFS n NAM, then quit wit de models. too close :D
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Quoting SPLbeater:


is it new?


Not really, but it's not fully operational yet. It may be in the future but it does fairly well within those 12 hours at simulating the radar.
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1080. bappit
This is painful irony.

"Those persons who posted these documents and wrote about them before we had a chance to comment on their authenticity should be ashamed of their deeds, and their bad behavior should be taken into account when judging their credibility now and in the future."

That's from these guys.
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