Rare February tropical disturbance drenching the Florida Keys

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:51 PM GMT on February 06, 2012

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Our calendars may say it's February, but Mother Nature's calendar says it's more like May in the waters of South Florida, where the year's first significant tropical disturbance is drenching the Keys. The disturbance, designated Invest 90L by NHC late Sunday morning, has dumped 1 - 3 inches of rain over much of the Florida Keys this morning, with Key West receiving 4.34" of rain on Sunday, a record for the date. The storm was close to developing a surface circulation last night, thanks to wind shear values to fell to 20 - 25 knots, and NHC gave 90L a 30% chance of developing into a subtropical depression in a special Tropical Weather Outlook issued last night. However, wind shear has increased to a prohibitive 30 - 40 knots this morning, and 90L is looking much less organized. In their 7 am EST outlook this morning, NHC gave 90L a 0% chance of developing. The system will continue to grow less organized today as it moves over Nassau in the Bahamas and heads out to sea.


Figure 1. Radar-estimated rainfall from Invest 90L.

What's going on?
Obviously, strong tropical disturbances capable of developing into named storms are very rare in February, and I've never seen one in my 30 years as a meteorologist. However, ocean temperatures are warm enough year-round to support a tropical storm in the waters of the Western Caribbean. Water temperatures today in the region were 26 - 26.5°C (79 - 80°F), which is near average for this time of year. If an unusual configuration of the jet stream allows wind shear to drop below about 25 knots in the Western Caribbean, there is the opportunity for a rare off-season tropical storm to form in February. I discussed in an appearance on NPR's All Things Considered on Friday just how unusual the atmospheric flow patterns have been this winter, and today's rare tropical disturbance over South Florida is symptomatic of how whacked-out our 2012 atmosphere has been. In isolation, the strange winter weather of 2011 - 2012 could be a natural rare occurrence, but there have been way too many strange atmospheric events in the past two years for them all to be simply an unusually long run of natural extremes. Something is definitely up with the weather, and it is clear to me that over the past two years, the climate has shifted to a new state capable of delivering rare and unprecedented weather events. Human emissions of heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide are the most likely cause of such a shift in the climate, as I discussed in my post last week, Where is the climate headed?

A historical precedent: the 1952 Groundhog's Day tropical storm
There is a historical precedent for a tropical storm this time of year--the 1952 Groundhog's Day tropical storm that hit Southwest Florida. According to Wikipedia,

The 1952 Groundhog Day Storm was the only Atlantic tropical cyclone on record in the month of February. First observed in the western Caribbean Sea on February 2, it moved rapidly throughout its duration and struck southwestern Florida within 24 hours of forming. In the state, the winds damaged some crops and power lines, but no serious damage was reported.

Meteorologist Andrew Hagen performed a re-analysis of all the tropical storms between 1944 - 1953 for his Ph.D. thesis, and looked in detail at the 1952 Groundhog Day's storm. He noted that it didn't look like a classic tropical storm, but it didn't look like an extratropical storm, either, and should stay in the database as the first named storm of 1952. In the old teletype files for February 1952, he found a February 2 message from the Cuban Weather Service that expressed some concern about possible tropical development between Cuba and Florida. NHC responded: "TROPICAL STORMS DO NOT FORM IN FEBRUARY."


Figure 2. February 2, 1952 teletype message from the Hurricane Center to the Cuban Weather Service, explaining that there couldn't possibly be a tropical storm in February. Image credit: Andrew Hagen.

Jeff Masters

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Realclimate.Org is a good source to see and or find some of the peer reviewed litrature on climate change issues if anyone is interested in digging deeper in these issues.

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Quoting aburttschell:


You claim mountains of evidence but there is nothing that directly correlates human involvement with climate change, at least nothing that can't be equally correlated to climate cycles, sun cycles, ect. So in turn, its a very bold and in my eyes borderline irresponsible statement.


Have you even bothered to read any of the peer-reviewed science on the matter? The IPCC report alones contains hundreds of references to peer reviewed science articles describing in detail how the changes are being caused (or at the very least, influenced) by human emission.

Or if that is too much to digest (it's a big report) you could try a journal like Nature which regularly features articles on climate science as well as other scientific research.

Or you could just try using some basic principles from chemistry, physics, and thermodynamics. It's fairly easy to conduct a basic experiment, even in your own home, that demonstrates the effects of greenhouse gases.

Climate cycles? For the climate to change, something needs to trigger that change. The planet does not cool or warm just because it feels the need to. Such events can be large scale eruptions, asteroid impacts, orbital variances, abnormal solar disturbances, etc. . None of these are currently happening to the planet.

Solar cycles? Solar cycles have no appreciable impact on warming or cooling over climate scales. Only in the cases of abnormal events does that change, and if anything we are in a lull. So that isn't the cause.

AMO, PDO, AO, etc.? Again, these do not create heat. The Earth does not produce any appreciable surface heat. It all comes from the sun.

So if the Earth does not create heat, solar output has not appreciably increased, and Earth's orbital characteristics have not changed in any significant way, then how is the planet heating up?

Simple. The planet is retaining more heat. How? Again, simple. The heating has happened rapidly and it has happened within the past 100 years or so. What about our planet has changed on a global scale over the past 100 years that could possibly be causing the Earth to retain more heat? How about the massive increase in greenhouse gases? Occam's razor and all that.

Using repeatedly debunked arguments as a basis for your opinion doesn't really add anything new to the conversation. If you can provide links to peer-reviewed scientific research that backs up your claims, that would be much more useful.

Or you could forgo finding the research, and simply provide an explanation for planetary warming that excludes increased GHG concentrations that doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics and/or contradict current observations.
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Quoting hydrus:
You can try this one. If not, I will post another....Link

Thank you so much! That was exactly what I was looking for!
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Quoting allisfineingreece:
Hi everybody, I apologize for intruding in to the conversation and Doctor's blog but I dont know any other place that I can find the most up to date information for anything under the sun.
For the past few hours there is a big storm that affects western Greece/eastern Italy and apart from some satellite images I cant really find any detailed information about the storms pressure and such.... Can anyone help with some links?
I find this storm really unusual for its location and strength, especially for this time of year.
I thank everyone in advance and I apologize again for intruding. Have a beautiful day!
You can try this one. If not, I will post another....Link
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Hi everybody, I apologize for intruding in to the conversation and Doctor's blog but I dont know any other place that I can find the most up to date information for anything under the sun.
For the past few hours there is a big storm that affects western Greece/eastern Italy and apart from some satellite images I cant really find any detailed information about the storms pressure and such.... Can anyone help with some links?
I find this storm really unusual for its location and strength, especially for this time of year.
I thank everyone in advance and I apologize again for intruding. Have a beautiful day!
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Quoting jrweatherman:


It's Global Warming caused by human emmissions.


LOL!! good one

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Exit stage right S. Fl system. Lookout mid-gulf.
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Quoting Jedkins01:


Yeah its crazy! Atmospheric conditions certainly support the chance of significant convection in the Tampa Bay area later today with the sea breeze collision. Its 85 here by the way, this is boarder line unheard of for early February!
Yessir. The radar is reminiscent of July in central-south florida. The east coast sea breeze is moving in from the SE and it looks like the west coast sea breeze is starting to become active about 10-15 miles inland. A line of stronger storms will develop from south to north as the collision occurs in a couple of hours.
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Here's my personal experience on warm it has been this winter in Toronto. On many days during December, January and now into February I have opened the door to let the dog out. Nothing remarkable about that except that I decided to go out with her, in my T-Shirt. We have had so many new record temperatures set this past winter, maximum or minimums across Canada that it is starting to become the new normal.
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Quoting Jedkins01:
preparing for almost a summer time like setup here in Central Florida.. LOL what a weird way to start the year.


It's Global Warming caused by human emmissions.
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Quoting StormTracker2K:
Been some thunder boomers here in Orlando today. Feels like summer here with dewpoints around 70. Very high Cape Values as well.





Yeah its crazy! Atmospheric conditions certainly support the chance of significant convection in the Tampa Bay area later today with the sea breeze collision. Its 85 here by the way, this is boarder line unheard of for early February!
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I'm surprised they would conclude with that. Looking at the evolution of sub-surface temperature anomalies, it's clear that the thermocline is deepening over the central Pacific and rising in the eastern Pacific. See the CPC link.

There are now warm anomalies greater than 5C! Watching the loop, you can notice an eastward progression of sub-surface warm anomalies to about 160W at the end of the loop, suggesting the presence of an oceanic-Kelvin wave. In support of this, the total isotherms (top plot) are becoming more vertical in nature, creating an oceanic temperature "front". This front acts like a breaking wave in the ocean, where warm temperatures will progress eastward along the front. I'm going to be surprised if the La Nina signature doesn't dampen out by spring. The only uncertainity lies in if a signficant westerly wind burst will accelerate the eastward flow of warm water across the Pacific.

I have a real-time multivariate MJO phase space diagram on my webpage in which the principle components are only constructed using 850 Zonal wind. It appears the low-level westerly winds associated with the current strong MJO event have begun to retrograde back towards the west. I'm not sure how this will affect the evolution of the oceanic Kelvin wave (if it will at all).





Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
This week's update of ENSO by Climate Prediction Center has Nino 3.4 more colder than last week's -1.1C. This week is down to -1.2C, meaning the moderate La Nina is still hanging on.

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Been some thunder boomers here in Orlando today. Feels like summer here with dewpoints around 70. Very high Cape Values as well.



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Lots of energy (you will need) in Rincon PR, today...


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This week's update of ENSO by Climate Prediction Center has Nino 3.4 more colder than last week's -1.1C. This week is down to -1.2C, meaning the moderate La Nina is still hanging on.

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Quoting aburttschell:


You claim mountains of evidence but there is nothing that directly correlates human involvement with climate change, at least nothing that can't be equally correlated to climate cycles, sun cycles, ect. So in turn, its a very bold and in my eyes borderline irresponsible statement.
Unfortunately, that's not true. Brian gave you a great link in #63, and there are many, many others.

There were still a few low temperature records set today in Europe, but it's interesting to note that Iceland set a few record highs today, as have locations in the Azores and mainland Portugal.
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Quoting aburttschell:


You claim mountains of evidence but there is nothing that directly correlates human involvement with climate change, at least nothing that can't be equally correlated to climate cycles, sun cycles, ect. So in turn, its a very bold and in my eyes borderline irresponsible statement.


Well, um, you're wrong? LOL.

Solar energy?
If anything, the Sun is actually producing slightly less energy than it did a few centuries ago, so right there that excludes the Sun as the cause of warming.

Geothermal energy?
It is considered negligible. Because it comes primarily from radioactive decay, it decreases exponentially with time. This means that even though there may be some ups and downs along the way, on time scales of centuries, millenia and longer, geothermal energy always decreases.


Not very many other things could be causing warming:

Exotic cosmic radiation - hasn't been detected, because everything that has been detected is negligible. The sum of all known energy from EM and particles from stellar radiation and cosmic radiation from beyond the solar system amounts to milliwatts and microwatts per meter square.

Any unknown radiation would need to be of an absurdly small wavelength or exotic properties in order to interact with the planet, but evade detection.

Even the crab nebula supernova probably only affected the Earth's average energy input by a few milliwatts, and only for about a year or two, and that was one of the biggest and closest supernovas since Earth has existed.

That leaves man made causes of one type or another to explain warming.

You can start with the 70% heat waste of our technology, and also road salts lowering the melting point of water, and albedo changes from roofs and roads...

Now heat waste from our technology for the entire planet comes to about 12 Terawatts for all of human civilization. So if you figure that up for a year, it's 3.78E20 Joules.

Now if you divide that by the number of liters in a cubic kilometer, and divide again by the heat of fusion of water, you get 1130km^3 of net ice melting to water per year from human heat waste, IF you assumed all heat waste went directly to melting snow, sea ice, and glaciers, which it doesn't. Turns out, most of it radiates into space.

Even if it all went into melting ice, our heat waste would not explain the two big down anomalies in the past 5 years for sea ice, AND the annual average of net loss of Sea Ice and Greenland ice cap combined is still about 50% larger than that total from the heat waste, so even if it was ideally transported to the glaciers, heat waste would not be enough to explain the melting.

Once you realize those things are actually barely above negligible, then you're out of options except greenhouse gases...
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New blog out guys, concerns remains of 90L and Jasmine Link

Feel free to leave comment let me know what u think!
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Quoting JNCali:
I'm starting to think that we were all unconscious for 45 days (maybe the HAARP backfired?) and that it's actually late March.
by late march could be like mid june
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The "climate cycles, sun cycles, etc..." were all factored in, and the "human involvement" is what is left over that is needed to explain why the climate has been behaving the way it has been.
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Quoting aburttschell:


You claim mountains of evidence but there is nothing that directly correlates human involvement with climate change, at least nothing that can't be equally correlated to climate cycles, sun cycles, ect. So in turn, its a very bold and in my eyes borderline irresponsible statement.


There is a great deal of evidence of direct human involvement in global warming. Your statement is completely wrong and false. Here is the Global Mean Effective Forcing table from the Goddard Institute for Space Studies, run by NASA. Man-made greenhouse gas emission forcings are in the column on the left. Land use is 5th from left.

Global Mean Effective Forcing (W/m2)
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Quoting Neapolitan:
You're certainly within your rights to disagree with that statement, along with mountains of evidence, thousands of peer-reviewed papers, the opinion of 97% of climatologists, and every major scientific body on the planet. FWIW, though, I tend to agree with it. I also agree with something else Dr. Masters wrote above:

"...there have been way too many strange atmospheric events in the past two years for them all to be simply an unusually long run of natural extremes. Something is definitely up with the weather, and it is clear to me that over the past two years, the climate has shifted to a new state capable of delivering rare and unprecedented weather events."


You claim mountains of evidence but there is nothing that directly correlates human involvement with climate change, at least nothing that can't be equally correlated to climate cycles, sun cycles, ect. So in turn, its a very bold and in my eyes borderline irresponsible statement.
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I'm starting to think that we were all unconscious for 45 days (maybe the HAARP backfired?) and that it's actually late March.
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preparing for almost a summer time like setup here in Central Florida.. LOL what a weird way to start the year.
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Good night all.

But before I go here is a news story.

What lies beneath
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Japan's Nuclear Exclusion Zone Shows Few Signs of Life
By AKIKO FUJITA | Good Morning America – 4 hours ago

What's most striking about Japan's nuclear exclusion zone, is what you don't see. There are no people, few cars, no sign of life, aside from the occasional livestock wandering empty roads.
Areas once home to 80,000 people are now ghost towns, frozen in time. Homes ravaged from the powerful earthquake that shook this region nearly a year ago, remain virtually untouched. Collapsed roofs still block narrow streets. Cracked roads, make for a bumpy ride.
In seaside communities, large fishing boats line the side of the road, next to piles of debris. Abandoned cars, dot otherwise empty fields. It's a scene reminiscent of tsunami-battered prefectures Miyagi and Iwate, last March – except those communities have cleaned up a significant amount of the debris since, in preparation for rebuilding efforts.

We had been trying to get our cameras inside here for months, eager to document the fallout from the world's worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl, 11 months on.

While workers of the Fukushima plant are bused in daily, the government has maintained a 12-mile no-go zone around the area for everyone else, only allowing for brief, supervised visits home for residents who still have homes here.

Few Signs of Life in Fukushima Exclusion Zone

"There are police cars patrolling every corner," we were warned. "As soon as they spot your camera, you will be arrested."

On Saturday, a local driver with a special permit agreed to sneak my cameraman and I in, so long as we didn't reveal his identity.

We put on thin, white hazmat suits and masks as a precaution, grabbed a Geiger counter and dosimeter to monitor radiation levels, then slipped past police guarding the exclusion zone entrance, onto the main road running through Japan's nuclear wasteland.

That road, Highway 6, seemed remarkably, unremarkable. We drove past miles of empty parking lots, barren land, closed storefronts. Something you'd expect in any small town, early on a Saturday morning.

Then, the Geiger counter quickly reminded us of where we were. As we approached the road to the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant, the numbers ticked up. Less than a mile out, the counter read "27.62 microsieverts an hour" – not a dangerous dose in the short amount of time we were there, but nearly five times the acceptable limit for U.S. nuclear workers, if consumed over a year.

We passed a bus full of Fukushima plant workers, as we drove further away from the reactors. The numbers started to tick down again.

In the the town of Namie, we met Masami Yoshizawa, a rancher who has defied government orders to euthanize more than 200 of his cows. His cattle, raised for premium wagyu beef, used to fetch $13,000 a head. Now they are contaminated with cesium.

Yoshizawa witnessed the reactor explosions from his farm, located just 9 miles from the plant. Radiation concerns forced he and fellow ranchers to evacuate soon after – his, boss opting to unleash all of the cows, thinking he would never return.

Yoshizawa said he couldn't abandon the cattle, completely. He obtained a permit to re-enter the exclusion zone, so he could feed the animals. He's been driving an hour and a half from his temporary home every day since, to look after them.

"The government didn't even try to save the animals," he told me. "They just wanted to kill them. I am filled with rage."

He displays the rage outside his ranch, where he's handwritten angry messages on large, pieces of plywood. One sign placed near a cow's remains reads "Stop killing our animals."

The government has said it will take at least 30 years to decommission the crippled reactors. While Yoshizawa insists he isn't going anywhere, the reality is, this nuclear wasteland may not be livable for decades.
As we hopped back in our car, to drive out of the exclusion zone, our driver asked if he could take us to the town center in Futaba. There was something he wanted to show us.
We drove past the main train station, past small office buildings, and retail stores, until we saw a sign marking the entrance to the main shopping district.

It read, "Nuclear power – the bright future of energy."
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here in southern ontario we have another normal abnormal day temp wise 45 f looking at a high of 48 maybe 50 by afternoon no snow cover or ice cover ground completely thawed strange for sure for feb looks like normal temps by end of the week
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That teletype to the Cuban meteorological service is so patronizing. Sad, really.
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2 second look in: We got rained on about 11:15 by this thing.



It's stopped for now, but the sky is still overcast. Temps dropped quite suddenly just before the rain started. Looks like we're going to get a cool-down, what with the front expected to drag through later this week.
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TC Jasmine 163000Z

CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.6 / 980.4mb/ 57.0kt

Raw T# 5.9
Adj T# 3.9
Final T# 3.6

I would say Jasmine is doing some nice strengthening:)
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Thanks Dr. I am no expert/or informed enough on GW issues to add to the "big picture" discussion in light of recent events but one has to wonder if certain "tipping points" are being reached with mother nature. Mother Earth has been a relatively forgiving enviornment, and had tended to recycle and absorb many of the natural cycles over the past millenia. However, one cannot ignore the fact that many of the fossil fuels that modern industrial society "digs up from under ground" and re-burns were already digested by Mother Earth so to speak and laid to rest underground. Now Man has dug it back up and re-introduced it to the atmosphere for recycling a second time. Seems to me that something has to give on this simple point over time.
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53 dead in 6.7 earthquake that leaves the Philippines reeling, as region hit by 6.0 aftershock
Posted on February 6, 2012

February 6, 2012 PHILIPPINES Filipino officials say a strong earthquake has rocked the central Philippines, killing at least 53 people and causing widespread damage and power outages. The U.S. Geological Survey says the 6.8-magnitude quake struck late Monday morning at a depth of 20 kilometers. The quake was centered in a narrow strait just off Negros Island. Authorities say a landslide killed 29 people, others were killed in buildings and homes that collapsed on Negros, including the seaside town of La Libertad. Dozens of people are missing. Numerous aftershocks continued to shake the island hours after the quake. Officials say there is no concern of a tsunami, although some coastal towns nearby were hit by large waves. VOA
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Quoting RitaEvac:
When the 1900 storm moved out into the GOM, the Cubans knew all too well that a full blown hurricane had formed, and was headed for Texas. A message that Galveston.... never receives.


from the south...
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Dr. Masters the rainfall at Key West was 4.56" according to this statement. Even more remarkable!

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT...CORRECTED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE KEY WEST FL
1030 AM EST MON FEB 6 2012


...TROUGH OF LOW PRESSURE CONTRIBUTES TO RECORD RAINFALL IN KEY
WEST...

RAINFALL ON SUNDAY FEBRUARY 5TH TOTALED 4.56 INCHES AT KEY WEST

INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. THIS BROKE THE PREVIOUS RECORD* OF 2.89
INCHES...WHICH WAS SET IN 1872. IN FACT...THIS WILL ALSO GO DOWN AS
THE WETTEST FEBRUARY DAY IN HISTORY. THE PREVIOUS RECORD OF 4.04
INCHES WAS SET ON FEBRUARY 28TH...1954.

THE RAINFALL WAS THE RESULT OF A FEW FACTORS. LATE SATURDAY
EVENING...AN UPPER LEVEL DISTURBANCE DEVELOPED A TROUGH OF LOW
PRESSURE OVER THE YUCATAN CHANNEL. ON SUNDAY...THIS TROUGH PUSHED
NORTHEAST TOWARDS THE FLORIDA KEYS AND THE FLORIDA PENINSULA.
COMBINED WITH COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF ATMOSPHERIC MOISTURE AND ADEQUATE
INSTABILITY...THE TROUGH BECAME THE FOCUS POINT FOR A LARGE AREA OF
SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. MOST OF THE KEYS RECEIVED GENEROUS
AMOUNTS OF RAIN...BUT THE HIGHEST TOTALS WERE IN KEY WEST. NO FLOOD
ADVISORIES OR WARNINGS WERE ISSUED FOR KEY WEST...BUT A COUPLE
REPORTS WERE RECEIVED CONCERNING MINOR FLOODING OF LOW LYING AREAS
AROUND THE ISLAND. BY MONDAY MORNING...THE HEAVIEST RAINFALL HAD
MOVED EAST OF THE FLORIDA KEYS.

...24-HOUR RAINFALL TOTALS...IN INCHES...FOR AVAILABLE STATIONS...

KEY WEST INT`L AIRPORT 4.56
KEY WEST WFO 3.79
KEY LARGO NORTH--HANDAR 2.74
BIG COPPITT KEY--COCORAHS 2.26
CUDJOE KEY--COCORAHS 1.68
CURRY HAMMOCK--COOP 1.50
BIG PINE KEY--HANDAR 1.26
CUDJOE KEY 1.08
MARATHON AIRPORT 1.03

*RAINFALL RECORDS IN KEY WEST DATE BACK TO 1871.

$$

ROTHWELL
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Quoting Patrap:
Cuba and the US have a Long relationship and share info on Storms. They may not have all the tools we have in their Cane Tool box, but no one prepares there citizenry better than the Cubans.

Nobody.

I've heard they just upgraded to Bat Kites this year!
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When the 1900 storm moved out into the GOM, the Cubans knew all too well that a full blown hurricane had formed, and was headed for Texas. A message that Galveston.... never receives.
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Quoting Patrap:
Cuba and the US have a Long relationship and share info on Storms. They may not have all the tools we have in their Cane Tool box, but no one prepares there citizenry better than the Cubans.

Nobody.


They're the front line of incoming storms to the CONUS
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Good write up, although...

I think it's a complete oxymoron to decide which events are influenced by warming, and which events are not. The realistic fact of the matter is that every single aspect of our 2012 climate is influenced by it. Global warming doesn't affect 1 thing and not the other.

In other words, heat waves, cold outbreaks, precipitation anomolies, snowfall anomolies, jet stream position, AO, NAO, PNA, El Nino, LaNina, Tropical Storms (I could go on forever) all have warming injected into their equations. It leads up to a world-wide domino effect. Even when events/statistics fall within the historical norm, they too have been influenced by warming.

I believe climate/weather should be talked about in this manner, rather than saying this was influenced and that wasn't, because this but not that actually makes no sense at all.
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Cuba and the US have a Long relationship and share info on Storms. They may not have all the tools we have in their Cane Tool box, but no one prepares there citizenry better than the Cubans.

Nobody.
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Quoting RitaEvac:


Pretty much what the government did for the 1900 storm that wiped out Galveston. US ignored the Cubans. Cubans were better and probably still are with tropical systems.


Yes I read about that. Just another thing I don't get or know what to say about. Sigh.
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Well the Cuban Meteorologist proved to be right, in 1952... there could be a tropical storm form in February, but is an extremely rare climathological event.
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Forecasters were overly confident in their primitive technology, which did not yet include satellites or doppler radar. And they were distrustful of Cuban forecasters; before the 1900 storm, U.S. forecasters had a policy of ignoring or downplaying warnings from Cuba, even though the island generally experiences storms well before the U.S.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,184 1442,00.html#ixzz1lcS6JutN
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US Cuban Hurricane Conference, Nov 2009


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"Mars 'Super-Drought' May Make Red Planet Too Dry for Alien Life."

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Quoting AtHomeInTX:
"TROPICAL STORMS DO NOT FORM IN FEBRUARY." - wow. That's all I can say bout that.


Pretty much what the government did for the 1900 storm that wiped out Galveston. US ignored the Cubans. Cubans were better and probably still are with tropical systems.
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"TROPICAL STORMS DO NOT FORM IN FEBRUARY." - wow. That's all I can say bout that. Meanwhile, it's still 45 degrees! C'mon Mr. Sunshine! :(

Orange County Airport
Lat: 30.07 Lon: -93.8 Elev: 13
Last Update on Feb 6, 9:35 am CST

Fair

45 °F
(7 °C)
Humidity: 81 %
Wind Speed: N 8 MPH
Barometer: 30.32"
Dewpoint: 39 °F (4 °C)
Wind Chill: 41 °F (5 °C)
Visibility: 10.00 mi.
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Need multiple hits for TX, southern, middle, and upper coasts
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Quoting RitaEvac:
Lows in tropics close to home.....maybe TX could get that drenching storm in time for June, boy would that start the season off with a BANG


maybe u git something like TS Hermine in 2010?
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Lows in tropics close to home.....maybe TX could get that drenching storm in time for June, boy would that start the season off with a BANG
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another low in the gulf..
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