Watch out for the bugs

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 12:56 AM GMT on December 10, 2011

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I'm wrapping up my stay in San Francisco for the annual Fall Meeting of the American Geophysical Union (AGU), the world's largest gathering of Earth Scientists. Over eighteen thousand scientists from all over the world, including most of the world's top climate scientists, were in town this week to exchange ideas to advance the cause of Earth Science. It's been a great opportunity to learn about climate change topics I don't know much about, and I attended a fascinating (and somewhat unnerving) lecture on how global warming is expected to affect insects, titled "The Impact of Global Warming on global crop yields due to changes in pest pressure". Global warming is expected to bring a variety of impacts to agriculture, both positive and negative. Extra CO2 in the atmosphere will tend to increase crop yields, but crop losses due to insect pests are expected to double by 2100, according to a insect pest/crop model designed by David Battisti of the University of Washington. These losses will occur in addition to the expected 35 - 40% decrease in crop yields due to higher temperatures by the end of the century.



When temperature increases, the metabolic rate of insects goes up, requiring that they eat more to survive. In the mid-latitudes, the predicted 2 - 4°C temperature increase by 2100 will require insects to eat double what they do now, in order to survive. The increase in temperature is also expected to enable insect populations to rise by 20%. However, insect populations will fall by 20% in the tropics, where insects have evolved to tolerate a much narrower range of temperatures. Let's look at the world's three most important crops: rice, wheat, and corn. In the four largest rice producing countries--China, India, Bangladesh, and Thailand--Insects currently cause a loss of 10- 20% of the crop, and this is expected to double to 20 - 30% by 2100. These nations have 40% of the world's population, and make 60% of the world's rice. For corn, the world's four largest producers--the U.S., China, France, and Argentina--are expected to see insect pest losses double from 6% to 12%. The story is similar for wheat; pest losses are expected to double from 10% to 20% by 2100. The total increased damage to global agriculture is predicted to be $30 - $50 billion per year by 2100. This will likely contribute greatly to food costs and potential food shortages. The model made a number of simplifications that could greatly change this outcome, though. The model assumed that there would be no change to the number of insects that survive winter, and this number is likely to increase in a warmer climate. Precipitation was not changed to reflect what is expected to happen in a changed climate, and this will cause increases in crop yields in some areas, and decreases in others. Farmers are likely to change growing practices and utilize new pesticides to combat the expected increase in pests, and this was not considered, either. It is interesting to note that during the great natural global warming event of 55 million years ago--the Palecene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM)--fossil records of plant leaves show greatly increased levels of damage from insects, supporting the idea that a warmer climate will drive an explosion in the insect population.

Jeff Masters

Locust Clouds over Paamul (cleo85)
A several miles wide swarm of Locus is moving from Cancun south-west ward over Yucatans Jungle.Paamul, Quintana Roo, Mexico
Locust Clouds over Paamul

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321. cronus
1:26 AM GMT on January 17, 2012
Is the writer of this blog aware that the Halocene Thermal Maximum occurred between~7kbp and 4kbp? We're nearing the 11000 year mark which could well mark the end of this interglacial. The temperatures though have been falling for most of the last 10000 years. The Eemian Thermal Maximum was much warmer than now maybe we'll get there before this is over. So What? Not much we can do about it.
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320. SPLbeater
3:49 PM GMT on December 12, 2011
wow, i go and watch Last Of The Mohicans, come back and only 1 more post in 2 hours. sure is active today, lol
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319. hydrus
3:39 PM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting CybrTeddy:


I thought in your day the telephone was a rock with a leaf hung on it that said 'Hello', and you threw and hit someone you wanted to talk too.
great post.:)
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318. Neapolitan
3:05 PM GMT on December 12, 2011
NEW BLOG ENTRY
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317. GeoffreyWPB
2:15 PM GMT on December 12, 2011
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316. StormTracker2K
1:58 PM GMT on December 12, 2011
If people can't post videos on here properly then they shouldn't post them at all because it screws up the blog.
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315. StormTracker2K
1:57 PM GMT on December 12, 2011
2.90" of rain in Daytona Beach last night! Right now it seems Jacksonville is getting it.

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314. greentortuloni
1:35 PM GMT on December 12, 2011
So I went back and read the first blog. Interesting... noted this quote: "After all, there is no weather underground."

If that line of humor had continued..., well, once a year or so is ok.

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313. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
1:30 PM GMT on December 12, 2011
Japan Meteorological Agency
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #9
TROPICAL DEPRESSION 24
21:00 PM JST December 12 2011
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At 12:00 PM UTC, Tropical Depression (1006 hPa) located at 9.6N 112.7E has 10 minute sustained winds of 30 knots with gusts of 45 knots. The depression is reported as moving west slowly

Dvorak Intensity: T2.0

Forecast and Intensity
=======================

24 HRS: 9.1N 110.9E - 35 knots (CAT 1/Tropical Storm)
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312. SPLbeater
1:12 PM GMT on December 12, 2011
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311. SPLbeater
1:02 PM GMT on December 12, 2011
Good morning
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310. AussieStorm
12:55 PM GMT on December 12, 2011
@Cotillion, Thinking of ya mate. It ain't looking good for ya's.















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309. aislinnpaps
11:52 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Good morning to anyone who is up. So quiet here this time of year. Temps up to 74 in a day or two here, with rain of course, so I can't be outside enjoying it. For now, out to start the car to de-ice it. Everyone have a great Monday!
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308. Cotillion
11:00 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Never seen a warning like that before.

Attack of the Yellow Crayon

First storm this week expected to begin overnight:



Second one isn't fully in focus, but they seem to be expect it to be bombing as it approaches. Models seem to have backed a little away from its previous strength, which is nice. That said, bombing storms moving at a fair clip are difficult to get right.
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307. CybrTeddy
10:54 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting Grothar:


You tell him, hydrus. You should have seen me use the first telephone.



I thought in your day the telephone was a rock with a leaf hung on it that said 'Hello', and you threw and hit someone you wanted to talk too.
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306. OracleDeAtlantis
7:46 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting sar2401:
OracleDeAtlantis:
There's something in your post that makes IE8 stop working when I try to quote it. I have no idea where your picture came from. It certainly, in the form you posted it, wasn't from the USGS. Where exactly did you get it it, and what exactly does it mean? I'm totally baffled at this point.

BTW, geologists have no ability distinguish an earthquake as being a foreshock of a larger quake until the larger quake occurs. Japan has 5-6 magnitude earthquakes on a regular basis, and the vast majority are not followed by larger earthquakes. This is an area of earth science they know almost nothing about, hence the inability of using one earthquake to predict the occurance of another.

Post 195 is simply a cut, colorized, and published forecast, using the current world map from the USGS earthquake site highlighting recent activity. That foreshock is easy to find, using the date(3-9-11) on the picture that was published.

Haiti had a foreshock too, using a very similar type of picture and mental model, including the exact same curious Latin writing. That one wasn't recognized by science, however, because it came in two parts. Nevertheless, someone pointed to a place on the earth and said in back to back posts,

"On the eve of hurricane Ike's memory, the earth's crust has moved at a certain point, to help make a big one."

Note how the vertex "point," where the foreshock occurs in Venezuela, is replaced with a vortex only six days later; but it's what lies at the heart of both pictures, and the Latin that tells the story of where the "Big One" referenced in these three related posts, will occur.

These are a curious set of signposts, and the direction that second vertex moves, is exactly the direction that table("Mensa") or piece of the earth's crust will turn("Verto") when the earthquake in Haiti strikes.

The earth, she farts, she burps, she coughs, she sneezes, she snorts, she wheezes, she's an enigma; but she can talk, and make no mistake, I think she's preparing to go to war with weapons that would amaze even Moses.




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305. Skyepony (Mod)
6:32 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Sar~ I've seen a handful of papers linking high winds from hurricanes & such, the vibrations from the drag & pressure difference setting them off. Haven't seen anything about the Santa Anita winds correlation. Could be some out there..if not sounds like a great thesis topic for one of our aspiring.

Certainly a better topic than our one from earlier. My only argument against using the death count as the end all for worse years turns dark.. You can adjust money to inflation easy enough but how do you adjust body count to population change? Census is so infrequent, add on who knows how many evacuated.. The warning system, communication & transportation systems have changed dramatically. Thinks about 1928 Okeechobee with today's population in both 1928 & today. The 1928 storm it hit Lake O a day later than expected. Many evacuated, thought it had turned & returned home to die along the fairly populated shore. & like Katrina so many died due to levee failure. Another example is Jeanne in 2004..Killed thousands in in a well warned Haiti when it was a weaker storm, mostly due to a political failure, while only a few dozen died on the other half of Hispaniola in DR. Jeanne went on to hit FL as a Cat 3, with little warning, while some of us didn't have power back from the last 'cane & flood on up the coast through many states & only killed 5. Jeanne kinda scores one for you though since had it not been for the other 'canes taking out the weaker stuff, Jeanne would have been way more damaging dollar wise. Extreme weather like the storms themselves can be hard to quantify.
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304. TomTaylor
6:18 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting SPLbeater:
anybody else see, Joe Bastardi has left AccuWeather. he has left because of their liberal views of 'climate change' and calls 'global warming' a complete fraud(I STAND BEHIND HIM) he has bashed the AccuWeather team, and TWC for all the liberal stuff they throwin into everything. he and another guy have just started a group called Weather Bell or something.

should be better then all the other bigtime media. check it out
You're just finding this out now? And no, it was not big media. Nobody outside of the small weather community knows who Joe Bastardi is.


BTW, the globe is warming, that's a fact. Get over it.
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303. ShenValleyFlyFish
5:49 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting SPLbeater:
anybody else see, Joe Bastardi has left AccuWeather. he has left because of their liberal views of 'climate change' and calls 'global warming' a complete fraud(I STAND BEHIND HIM) he has bashed the AccuWeather team, and TWC for all the liberal stuff they throwin into everything. he and another guy have just started a group called Weather Bell or something.

should be better then all the other bigtime media. check it out
Well, that's not a position I would care to take.

My DDD (dear departed dad) used to say, "Son, in your life you will need to take a stand on many things, just try not to stand behind a manure spreader."
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302. CaicosRetiredSailor
5:43 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
How many major scientific misstatements does Joe Bastardi have to make before In-Accuweather fires him as their chief long-range forecaster?
By Joe Romm on Jan 18, 2011 at 5:49 pm

...
Just last month, he cooked the books in an official In-Accuweather video to smear some of the nation's leading scientists. I called for him to be fired and suggested referring to the company as InAccuweather until it does. Bastardi did ultimately retract the video but couldn't bring himself to admit that his accusation of fraud against NSIDC was not merely completely unwarranted but totally inappropriate and in fact based in part on his simple misreading of a graph.


http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/01/18/207355/j oe-bastardi-in-accuweather-chief-long-range-foreca ster-s/
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301. ShenValleyFlyFish
5:42 AM GMT on December 12, 2011


I actually remember these being used at both sets of grandparent's homes. Have a vague memory of being held up to talk into one.

What this has to do with weather I know not, although it does make me wonder what it's like around Kitchener/Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. Guess I'll use WU to check.
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300. SPLbeater
5:22 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
anybody else see, Joe Bastardi has left AccuWeather. he has left because of their liberal views of 'climate change' and calls 'global warming' a complete fraud(I STAND BEHIND HIM) he has bashed the AccuWeather team, and TWC for all the liberal stuff they throwin into everything. he and another guy have just started a group called Weather Bell or something.

should be better then all the other bigtime media. check it out
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299. sar2401
4:51 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting Skyepony:
Something from the AGU meeting..

Weather affects timing of some natural hazards
Seasonal patterns in earthquakes and volcanic eruptions can be linked to rain and snow.


Interesting post, Skye. We always had a thing about "earthquake weather" in California. It was usually connected to a Santa Ana condition, where there was much higher pressure inland and lower pressure on the coast, leading to strong downslope winds. Obviously, all Santa Ana's don't lead to earthquakes, but it was striking in my 35 years in California how often we had the larger quakes occur during this kind of weather. I have no idea if any of this has any scientific foundation, but it was always a good topic for discussion. :)
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298. BtnTx
4:38 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting sar2401:
I guess this one of the ways we show the age divide here. I never saw anything but a black Western Electric wall or desk phone until I was in my teens. I remember seeing the first color phone and thinking how amazing it was back then. It was, I believe, against the law to connect anything but a phone company approved device to your phone line, and all phone lines were Bell companies and hardwired to the wall. None of this RJ-11 modular stuff then. The first push button phone was really a godsend to me, since I have some kind of dyslexia that always made me stick my fingers in the wrong hole. It took about three minutes just to dial a number with those dial phones, so one slip meant another three minutes shot.

Really amazing how many things have changed in my 65 years on earth.
Absolutely amazing the changes are in my 57 years of life as I type this on an iPad2.
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297. sar2401
4:30 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
I guess this one of the ways we show the age divide here. I never saw anything but a black Western Electric wall or desk phone until I was in my teens. I remember seeing the first color phone and thinking how amazing it was back then. It was, I believe, against the law to connect anything but a phone company approved device to your phone line, and all phone lines were Bell companies and hardwired to the wall. None of this RJ-11 modular stuff then. The first push button phone was really a godsend to me, since I have some kind of dyslexia that always made me stick my fingers in the wrong hole. It took about three minutes just to dial a number with those dial phones, so one slip meant another three minutes shot.

Really amazing how many things have changed in my 65 years on earth.
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296. Skyepony (Mod)
4:24 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Something from the AGU meeting..

Weather affects timing of some natural hazards
Seasonal patterns in earthquakes and volcanic eruptions can be linked to rain and snow.
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295. sar2401
4:20 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


A 1C rise in global temperatures would turn the sandhills into a scrub desert and the dunes were active during the MWP (see image). Notice also that the Sahara Desert expands toward England.


Again, I would have to see the data to understand how a 1 degree Centigrade rise in temperature in 50 years (assuming that was possible) could lead to the Sahara Desert spreading towards the British Isles. These are the kinds of doomsday predictions that ALL scientists must understand and agree on since, as had been said, we need to do something immediately to do what we can to stop this. If we can't get scientific agreement, then these types of forecasts should stop, before we get into "the boy who cried wolf" syndrome.
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294. Skyepony (Mod)
4:14 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Rice paddocks in some parts of the southern Riverina are under attack from ducks in plague proportions, and some farmers have abandoned trying to replant their crop for a second or even third time.
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293. Skyepony (Mod)
4:05 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Raining again, been on & off for two days now. 0.17" so far today.


A UN climate deal was salvaged in Durban.
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292. shadoclown45
3:59 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting hydrus:
Remember these ...I do, we had,em both. The model 500 was one of the most popular phones ever produced............ .The Western Electric model 500 telephone series was the standard desk-style domestic telephone set issued by the Bell System in North America from late 1949 through the 1984 Bell System divestiture. Millions of model 500-series phones were produced and were present in almost every home in North America. Many are still in use today thanks to their durability and ample availability. Its modular construction made manufacture and repair simple, and facilitated a large number of variants and derivatives with added features. Touch-Tone was introduced to home customers in 1963 with the model 1500 telephone, which had only the 10 number keys. In 1968 the model 2500 telephone was introduced, which added the * and # keys. The model 2500 is still in production today by several manufacturers, over 40 years after it was introduced.
I have one of those in army green :) oh and a iphone
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291. HuracanTaino
3:20 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting hydrus:
Remember these ...I do, we had,em both. The model 500 was one of the most popular phones ever produced............ .The Western Electric model 500 telephone series was the standard desk-style domestic telephone set issued by the Bell System in North America from late 1949 through the 1984 Bell System divestiture. Millions of model 500-series phones were produced and were present in almost every home in North America. Many are still in use today thanks to their durability and ample availability. Its modular construction made manufacture and repair simple, and facilitated a large number of variants and derivatives with added features. Touch-Tone was introduced to home customers in 1963 with the model 1500 telephone, which had only the 10 number keys. In 1968 the model 2500 telephone was introduced, which added the * and # keys. The model 2500 is still in production today by several manufacturers, over 40 years after it was introduced.
Nostalgia, I missed them,for some reason reminds me of beautiful days of my youth, long gone.. ;(
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290. Grothar
3:18 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting hydrus:
Remember these ...I do, we had,em both. The model 500 was one of the most popular phones ever produced............ .The Western Electric model 500 telephone series was the standard desk-style domestic telephone set issued by the Bell System in North America from late 1949 through the 1984 Bell System divestiture. Millions of model 500-series phones were produced and were present in almost every home in North America. Many are still in use today thanks to their durability and ample availability. Its modular construction made manufacture and repair simple, and facilitated a large number of variants and derivatives with added features. Touch-Tone was introduced to home customers in 1963 with the model 1500 telephone, which had only the 10 number keys. In 1968 the model 2500 telephone was introduced, which added the * and # keys. The model 2500 is still in production today by several manufacturers, over 40 years after it was introduced.


Yes, of course I remember them. :)
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289. hydrus
3:04 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Remember these ...I do, we had,em both. The model 500 was one of the most popular phones ever produced............ .The Western Electric model 500 telephone series was the standard desk-style domestic telephone set issued by the Bell System in North America from late 1949 through the 1984 Bell System divestiture. Millions of model 500-series phones were produced and were present in almost every home in North America. Many are still in use today thanks to their durability and ample availability. Its modular construction made manufacture and repair simple, and facilitated a large number of variants and derivatives with added features. Touch-Tone was introduced to home customers in 1963 with the model 1500 telephone, which had only the 10 number keys. In 1968 the model 2500 telephone was introduced, which added the * and # keys. The model 2500 is still in production today by several manufacturers, over 40 years after it was introduced.
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288. hydrus
2:59 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting Grothar:


You tell him, hydrus. You should have seen me use the first telephone.

Here is the guy that put it all together.
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287. SPLbeater
2:54 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
lets try this again....lol


not workin:(
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286. Grothar
2:32 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting hydrus:
Some people were around before personal computers, and never had the need for them..Now that they know what computers can do, people want to learn. It may not be hard for you, but for someone who has never used one, it can be intimidating.


You tell him, hydrus. You should have seen me use the first telephone.

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285. hydrus
2:24 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Its not that hard...

1.) Right clock on the image of your choice.
2.) Click "Copy image URL"
3.) Click the "Image" button right above the comment box that I am currently typing in.
4.) Paste the image URL into the box that pops up.
5.) Click okay, and hit "Post Comment".

To be honest, I'm not sure why people aren't getting how to post images...It's not that hard.
Some people were around before personal computers, and never had the need for them..Now that they know what computers can do, people want to learn. It may not be hard for you, but for someone who has never used one, it can be intimidating.
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284. TropicalAnalystwx13
2:22 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting SPLbeater:


maybe the reason some dont know how to post an animated image is because WE HAVNT BEEN TOLD HOW. as for still images, thats simple

There are only certain animated images that you can post on here. Most of them you have to link to. :)

The ones that you can post here, you do it the same way as still images.
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283. SPLbeater
2:18 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Its not that hard...

1.) Right click on the image of your choice.
2.) Click "Copy image URL"
3.) Click the "Image" button right above the comment box that I am currently typing in.
4.) Paste the image URL into the box that pops up.
5.) Click okay, and hit "Post Comment".

To be honest, I'm not sure why people aren't getting how to post images...It's not that hard.


maybe the reason some dont know how to post an animated image is because WE HAVNT BEEN TOLD HOW. as for still images, thats simple
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282. TropicalAnalystwx13
2:17 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
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281. hydrus
2:16 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting sunlinepr:
Up to now, 3 models agree on that strong Low in Mid Atl.

Looks impressive anyway..I would bet some type of low pressure will form in that area.
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280. TropicalAnalystwx13
2:15 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting SPLbeater:


i would LOVE to be taught how to post images. that would be nice :D

Its not that hard...

1.) Right click on the image of your choice.
2.) Click "Copy image URL"
3.) Click the "Image" button right above the comment box that I am currently typing in.
4.) Paste the image URL into the box that pops up.
5.) Click okay, and hit "Post Comment".

To be honest, I'm not sure why people aren't getting how to post images...It's not that hard.
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279. hydrus
2:15 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting sunlinepr:


How much is the sq ft of land worth? (include me the palm tree in the quote)...
Dont know, but the record high is 89 and the record low is 57..lol..
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278. sunlinepr
2:11 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Up to now, 3 models agree on that strong Low in Mid Atl.

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277. SPLbeater
2:04 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting hydrus:
Rather impressive looking really. If it persists, who knows....Invest?


the 850mb vorticy is weak and a lil stretched....looks like the center is south of panama, but if it did move north into Caribbean, i would say it have good chance of an Invest. maybe. :D
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276. sunlinepr
2:02 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting hydrus:
This is scary stuff...I will relocate to Christmas Island to escape the economic wrath of da world...


How much is the sq ft of land worth? (include me the palm tree in the quote)...
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275. hydrus
1:55 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting yqt1001:


Economics is like meteorology now that it's been globalized. The collapse of the Euro will likely mean a recession, which could plummet into a depression if enough things are toppled over. The US and China aren't in a good position to loose the Euro, and the loss of either the US or China means a recession and the collapse of the other, which could mean a global depression and the loss of consumer society for a few years (especially with most Western countries depending on imports rather than exports).

No doubt that this could cause the rise of extremism in a few countries, and the complete collapse of some other countries. We'll see, but I must admit the British sure aren't helping at all...then again the EU was never going to work in the first place.

Never forget that the Great Depression was a direct (or very close to direct) cause of WW2.
This is scary stuff...I will relocate to Christmas Island to escape the economic wrath of da world...
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274. SPLbeater
1:54 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting Grothar:


Lord help us all if you get your hands on one of those. If you are a good boy this year, I will teach you how to post animations.


i would LOVE to be taught how to post animated images. that would be nice :D
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273. sunlinepr
1:49 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting yqt1001:


Economics is like meteorology now that it's been globalized. The collapse of the Euro will likely mean a recession, which could plummet into a depression if enough things are toppled over. The US and China aren't in a good position to loose the Euro, and the loss of either the US or China means a recession and the collapse of the other, which could mean a global depression and the loss of consumer society for a few years (especially with most Western countries depending on imports rather than exports).

No doubt that this could cause the rise of extremism in a few countries, and the complete collapse of some other countries. We'll see, but I must admit the British sure aren't helping at all...then again the EU was never going to work in the first place.

Never forget that the Great Depression was a direct (or very close to direct) cause of WW2.


Agree in your comment.... specially the concept that "this could cause the rise of extremism"; which is something already present....
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272. sunlinepr
1:46 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Huge WV flare over Panama....

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271. hydrus
1:44 AM GMT on December 12, 2011
Quoting Grothar:


Lord help us all if you get your hands on one of those. If you are a good boy this year, I will teach you how to post animations.
I already know that I was good this year....Mum told me..:>
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Lake Effort Snow Shower Over Windsor, Ontario
Sunset on Dunham Lake
Pictured Rocks Sunset
Sunset on Lake Huron