Storm surge barriers: the New England experience

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 6:22 PM GMT on November 25, 2011

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Back in 1938, long before satellites, radar, the hurricane hunters, and the modern weather forecasting system, the great New England hurricane of 1938 roared northwards into Long Island, New York at 60 mph, pushing a storm surge more than 15 feet high to the coast. Hundreds of Americans died in this greatest Northeast U.S. hurricane on record, the strongest hurricane to hit the Northeast since the 1800s. A destructive storm surge of 13 feet (4 meters) barreled though Long Island Sound into Stamford, Connecticut, inundating the downtown region and causing heavy damage ($6 million in 1938 dollars.) Sixteen years later, a storm surge from Hurricane Carol of 1954 inundated the city again, causing $3.4 million in damage. In response to these twin storm surge disasters, work was begun in 1965 on a 17-foot high, $14 million (1965 dollars) hurricane barrier. Completed in 1969, the barrier across Stamford Harbor is high enough to protect the city from a storm surge of 14.8 feet above mean sea level. Had the barrier been in place during Hurricane Carol, the Army Corps of Engineers estimates damage to Stamford could have been reduced by 85%.


Figure 1. Bedford Street looking south towards Broad Street in Stamford, Connecticut, after the Great New England Hurricane of 1938. Image credit: stamfordhistory.org.


Figure 2. The storm surge from Category 2 Hurricane Carol in 1954 batters the Edgewood Yacht Club near Providence, Rhode Island. Image credit: NOAA Photo Library.

The Providence storm surge barrier
Stamford isn't the only New England city that suffered destructive storm surges from the 1938 and 1954 hurricanes. The 1938 hurricane brought a storm surge that covered the commercial district of Providence, Rhode Island with 8 feet (2.5 m) of water, causing $16.3 million in damage. On August 31, 1954, Hurricane Carol produced a storm surge of up to 14.4 feet (4.4 m) in Narragansett Bay, surpassing that of the New England Hurricane of 1938. The resulting storm surge flooded downtown Providence with 12 feet (3.7 m) of water. Some entire coastal communities were nearly destroyed, and damage was estimated at $25.1 million. In response to the devastation wrought by these storms, a $15 million hurricane barrier 25 feet (7.6 m) high was built across the 1000-foot (300 m) entrance to Providence Harbor between 1961 - 1966.


Figure 3. A ship passes through the Providence, Rhode Island storm surge barrier. Image credit: Douglas Hill, EngScD, P.E., Stony Brook University.

The New Bedford storm surge barrier
New Bedford, Massachusetts lies near the end of a narrow bay, and narrow bays and river estuaries can act as funnels that focus storm surges to extreme heights if the hurricane's direction of motion is aligned so that the surge propagates up the bottleneck. In fact, the shape of the coast near New Bedford makes it the most vulnerable portion of the U.S. coast for a hurricane storm surge. The highest theoretical storm surge produced by NOAA's SLOSH model for the U.S. is 38.5 feet above mean sea level, for a Category 4 hurricane hitting New Bedford. Destructive storm surges hit New Bedford during the 1938 hurricane and 1954's Hurricane Carol, the latter storm causing $8.3 million in flood damages. A hurricane barrier 23 feet (7 m) high and 4900 feet (1500 m) long across New Bedford Harbor was completed in 1966 at a cost of $19 million (1966 dollars.) The barrier separates the New Bedford Harbor from Buzzard's Bay, and successfully kept out the 8 foot (2.5 m) storm surge from Hurricane Bob in 1991, and a 6.5 foot (2 m) surge from the January 1997 Nor'easter.


Figure 4.The 4,900 foot-long New Bedford, Massachusetts storm surge barrier as seen using Google Earth. The city of New Bedford lies to the north (top) of this image.


Figure 5.The four regions of the U.S. theoretically prone to storm surges in excess of 33 feet at the coast. These Maximum of the Maximum Envelope Of Waters (MOM) SLOSH model plots are for a maximum strength hurricane hitting at high tide. A theoretical peak storm surge of 33 - 34 feet (pink colors) is predicted by the SLOSH model for New York City near the JFK Airport (upper left), for the Big Bend region of the Florida Gulf Coast (lower right), and for the Intracoastal Waterway north of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina (lower left). The highest theoretical surge occurs at New Bedford, Massachusetts (upper right): 38.5 feet for a Category 4 hurricane.

More storm surge barriers needed
Storm surge barriers in Stamford, New Bedford, and Providence have already proved their worth and prevented damages more than the cost of their construction. For example, the Stamford barrier kept out the storm surge from the December 1992 Nor'easter, which neighboring New York City suffered storm surge flooding of it subway system and roads that caused hundreds of millions in damage. Similar barriers in the Netherlands and England's Thames River have also proved their worth, and multi-billion dollar storm surge barriers are nearing completion in St. Petersburg, Russia and the Venice Lagoon in Italy. Many more such barriers will be needed world-wide in the coming decades, because of sea level rise.
Sea level rose an average of 7 inches (18 cm) during the 20th century. The 2007 report of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) predicted global sea level rise of 0.6 - 1.9 feet (18 - 59 cm) by 2100--excluding the contribution from melting of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets. Several studies published since that report predict much higher levels of sea level increase will occur if one includes the melting from Greenland and Antarctica, For example, a 2008 paper published by Pfeffer et al. in Science concluded that the "most likely" range of sea level rise by 2100 is 2.6 - 6.6 feet (80 - 200 cm.) If these higher sea level rise estimates prove correct, storm surge damage could easily double of triple, particularly if climate change makes the strongest storms stronger. A Report to Congress by FEMA (1991) estimated that existing development on the U.S. coast would experience a 36 - 58% increase in annual damages for a 1-foot rise in sea level, and a 102 - 200% increase for a 3-foot rise. Much of this additional damage would result from storm surges riding on top of heightened sea levels. As I'll report on in future blog posts in this series, even if the sea level does not rise this century, there are three locations along the U.S. coast that should immediately begin planning to install hurricane storm surge barriers: New York City, Galveston/Houston, and Tampa Bay.

Jeff Masters

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18Z NAM running. Hoping for just a little bit more south and east than the last run.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Not to mention the ice cold temps they experience.Like -10 in the morning.I went up their back in 97 to visit my sister and it wasn't a pretty site when the car wouldn't start :(.


Well so far....I ain't impressed because there has been no accumulating snow here thus far. Temps have been as high as 60 still, as recently as yesterday...

I'll probably be biting these words later this winter...but I ain't impressed yet....

P.S....what the heck do you do to make your car start @ -10...LOL?
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Quoting NCHurricane2009:


Bring it on! LOL....

The weather here is definetely more dynamic than back in NC...I think because I experience the center of mid-latitude extratropical cyclones moreso than further south....
Not to mention the ice cold temps they experience.Like -10 in the morning.I went up their back in 97 to visit my sister and it wasn't a pretty site when the car wouldn't start :(.
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The PSU E-Wall isn't updating since before 12Z! Oh Noes!!
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Quoting washingtonian115:
That's not to far from D.C.Just around 40 minutes?(Sorry havn't driven there in so long).So are weather is almost the same!.And raging blizzards and ice storms!!


Bring it on! LOL....

The weather here is definetely more dynamic than back in NC...I think because I experience the center of mid-latitude extratropical cyclones moreso than further south....
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


Fairfax City.
That's not to far from D.C.Just around 40 minutes?(Sorry havn't driven there in so long).So are weather is almost the same!.
Quoting NCHurricane2009:


Well...where I am at now....I am in a location whose winters easily see more than a trace of snow.

I no longer live in NC...now in Michigan...that's why I have been busy this year....LOL...got to get used to the snow now...
And raging blizzards and ice storms!!
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Yeah!.It was nice to see some snow so early.It was a nice treat.Hey I noticed it says VA in your name meaning your from virginia.What part to be exsact?


Fairfax City.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Hello folks.I see the models are predicting snow(I want at least to see a trace).


Well...where I am at now....I am in a location whose winters easily see more than a trace of snow.

I no longer live in NC...now in Michigan...that's why I have been busy this year....LOL...got to get used to the snow now...
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Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Macon really missed out on that snow event, Atlanta got a suprise heavy snow band, 8 inches of snow and to top it of an inch of ice. Most iv ever seen in my life. Shut down for a whole week!


Yeah we got about an inch of snow plus half an inch of ice for that one. Shut us down for 2 days XD. It was too bad because the models were giving us over 5 inches as close as 2 days before the event, but the mid level temps didn't cooperate and we got mostly rain/freezing rain.

I was fine with that one though. It was the Christmas snow storm that crapped out on us. Snow accumulations to the west, north, and east. Missed the initial storm by 2 miles. Wrap around snow band forms to the west and dissipates within 2 miles. Another one forms a couple miles to the east and continues moving east. This was my reaction: http://www.myfacewhen.com/20/
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


I had 0.2 inches in my yard on October 29th during the Snowtober event.



I wouldn't expect accumulations there, but something like an hour of heavy wet flakes that look nice but don't stick is more likely.
Yeah!.It was nice to see some snow so early.It was a nice treat.Hey I noticed it says VA in your name meaning your from virginia.What part to be exsact?
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Quoting washingtonian115:
A trace would be nice.Ya know.Just to get into the season.


I had 0.2 inches in my yard on October 29th during the Snowtober event.

Quoting HurricaneSwirl:


Awesome. I would love to see that. Here in Macon, GA we got a dusting and an inch last winter, 2-3 inches the year before that, an inch the year before that.. And then there's a huge gap of no snow from 2003 to 2008.

I'm hoping to see some snow from this system, but chances are slim for me. Areas to the north and west of me will probably see wrap-around precip (which should be snow), but surface temps will be marginal and ground temps will be way too warm for accumulation except for in elevated areas and areas that see the heavier snow.


I wouldn't expect accumulations there, but something like an hour of heavy wet flakes that look nice but don't stick is more likely.
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Quoting HurricaneSwirl:


Awesome. I would love to see that. Here in Macon, GA we got a dusting and an inch last winter, 2-3 inches the year before that, an inch the year before that.. And then there's a huge gap of no snow from 2003 to 2008.

I'm hoping to see some snow from this system, but chances are slim for me. Areas to the north and west of me will probably see wrap-around precip (which should be snow), but surface temps will be marginal and ground temps will be way too warm for accumulation except for in elevated areas and areas that see the heavier snow.
Macon really missed out on that snow event, Atlanta got a suprise heavy snow band, 8 inches of snow and to top it of an inch of ice. Most iv ever seen in my life. Shut down for a whole week!
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


Just imagine being in 35 inches in 30 hrs and then getting another 14 inches 4 days later. Snowmaggeddon 2010 was absolutely insane. I'm 6ft tall and I had snow not in a drift up to my chest!!


Awesome. I would love to see that. Here in Macon, GA we got a dusting and an inch last winter, 2-3 inches the year before that, an inch the year before that.. And then there's a huge gap of no snow from 2003 to 2008.

I'm hoping to see some snow from this system, but chances are slim for me. Areas to the north and west of me will probably see wrap-around precip (which should be snow), but surface temps will be marginal and ground temps will be way too warm for accumulation except for in elevated areas and areas that see the heavier snow.
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


The 0Z GFS this morning and to a lesser extent the 6Z and 12Z show a snowstorm around the 5th or 6th for the DC area. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear on the Euro or the CMC so it is possibly just a GFS pipe dream. There is also a slight possibility of some wet snow on the back end of the system on Wednesday.
A trace would be nice.Ya know.Just to get into the season.
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We got a 10-inch snow here in Western Kentucky that was predicted to be an "Up to an inch" accumulation last winter. They had sent the school buses out to bring kids to school because the snow wasn't going to be a big deal supposedly, and they wound up having to send them back home as soon as they got to school because of the unexpected heavy accumulation. They under-forecast snowfall amounts three or four times last winter.

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The head of a key British climate lab, a central figure in the 2009 "Climategate" scandal, thought requests made under Great Britain's Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) were a nuisance that should be stonewalled while crucial correspondence is deleted -- unless someone pays up first, that is.

"I wasted a part of a day deleting numerous emails and exchanges with almost all the skeptics. So I have virtually nothing. I even deleted the email that I inadvertently sent," wrote Phil Jones, the head of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, according to a December 2008 email leaked to a Russian website Tuesday.

"There might be some bits of pieces of paper, but I'm not wasting my time going through these," the email reads.

The correspondence was one of 5,000 emails stolen from the servers at the University of East Anglia's climate research facility in England and posted online Tuesday. Along with the day-to-day work of science, the emails reveal internal debates, anger at skeptics and even deception from scientists investigation whether man's actions are warming the planet.

The newly leaked emails span from 2000 to 2009 and fill in correspondence first seen in December 2009, when a batch of emails from the data breach dubbed "Climategate" turned the world's attention to East Anglia. University spokesman Simon Dunford told the Associated Press that a small sample examined by the university "appears to be genuine."

According to the December 2008 email exchange, Jones wrote to David Palmer, the information policy and compliance manager for East Anglia's research unit at the time, arguing that unless a fee accompanied a FOIA request for information, he didn't need to bother going to the trouble of replying.

"Dave, do I understand it correctly -- if he doesn't pay the £10 we don't have to respond?" Jones asked. The sum he requested, £10, is worth about $16 U.S. dollars.

"No, we don't have to respond unless we get the £10," Palmer told Jones -- before reading him the riot act over deleting emails, a direct violation of Britain's Data Protection Act of 1998, he said.


The email echoes other correspondence from Jones discovered in 2009. Jones admitted to the House of Commons in 2010 that he had "written some very awful emails," including one in which he rejected a request for information on the ground that the person receiving it might criticize his work.

Steven McIntyre, a noted climate skeptic and author of the blog Climate Audit, disputed the investigations of the climate "researchers"


"Unfortunately none of the 'inquiries' did even a reasonable job," "None of them interviewed any of the critics … there were no transcripts. The inquiries made erroneous findings on facts known to thousands."
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The newly released emails come less than a week before the Nov. 28 opening of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (COP 17) in Durban, South Africa, which is intended to control carbon emissions and monitor the world's climate -- a fact underscored in a document that accompanied the leaked emails.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Hello folks.I see the models are predicting snow(I want at lweast to see a trace).


The 0Z GFS this morning and to a lesser extent the 6Z and 12Z show a snowstorm around the 5th or 6th for the DC area. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear on the Euro or the CMC so it is possibly just a GFS pipe dream. There is also a slight possibility of some wet snow on the back end of the system on Wednesday.
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Hello folks.I see the models are predicting snow(I want at least to see a trace).
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Quoting SPLbeater:


im in central NC, a good snow dont come unless we git 2/3 inches lol


Just imagine being in 35 inches in 30 hrs and then getting another 14 inches 4 days later. Snowmaggeddon 2010 was absolutely insane. I'm 6ft tall and I had snow not in a drift up to my chest!!
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As long as all you who live near water want to pay for this stuff. That's cool. You gotta pay to play.
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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 2363

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0604 PM CST SAT NOV 26 2011

AREAS AFFECTED...SERN LA / SRN MS

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH UNLIKELY

VALID 270004Z - 270100Z

STEADY EWD PROGRESSION OF TSTM BAND AND ASSOCIATED CONVECTIVELY
AIDED COLD POOL WILL SPREAD ACROSS SERN LA AND SRN MS DURING THE
EVENING HOURS. SEVERE POTENTIAL IS EXPECTED TO REMAIN
LIMITED...GIVEN A LOW CONDITIONAL NATURE OF THE UNDERLYING WEAKLY
UNSTABLE AIRMASS ACROSS THE REGION. PROBABILITY OF A WATCH
ISSUANCE...25 PERCENT.

LATEST SUBJECTIVE SURFACE MESOANALYSIS SHOWS A PRE-FRONTAL
CONVECTIVE LINE IMPINGING UPON A LOW LEVEL THETA-E AXIS FROM THE
S-CNTRL LA COAST NWD TO THE IMMEDIATE E OF THE MS RIVER IN CNTRL MS.
AN INVERTED WEDGE-SHAPED MOIST/MARGINALLY UNSTABLE AIRMASS HAS BEEN
SLOW TO MOVE N AND EWD ACROSS THE CNTRL GULF COAST AND WILL LIKELY
BE EFFECTIVELY OVERTURNED BEFORE APPRECIABLE DESTABILIZATION CAN
OCCUR ACROSS SERN MS. THE 00Z JAN RAOB EXHIBITED A DEEP NEARLY
SATURATED BOUNDARY LAYER /MUCAPE 200 J/KG/ WITH A
VEERING/STRENGTHENING LOW LEVEL WIND PROFILE. THIS WILL SUPPORT THE
POSSIBILITY FOR TRANSIENT SHALLOW WEAKLY ROTATING UPDRAFTS AHEAD OF
THE LINE THROUGH THE EARLY EVENING HOURS. AS SUCH...A LOW RISK FOR
AN ISOLD WIND DAMAGE REPORT OR BRIEF/WEAK TORNADO WILL CONTINUE.

..SMITH.. 11/27/2011


ATTN...WFO...JAN...LIX...LCH...

LAT...LON 29609180 30549198 32139108 31968998 29798963 29609180
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

It doesn't snow often here in southeastern North Carolina, so... :P


my gf is in New Hanover county(DO NOT ask about the distance lol) and here in central NC last year when i got 8 inches, i sent pictures to her sayin "look what we got and you didnt lol"
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Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Iv gotten school of for less. Saw a single flake one afternoon, next day no school.


i remember back in elemntary school, they would look at the forecast. if they saw snow in it, they would close for a day. next day, no snow. but also no school LOL
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Quoting SPLbeater:


im in central NC, a good snow dont come unless we git 2/3 inches lol
Quoting cyclonekid:


Ha! Eastern NC is about the same way. The past two years have been really good to us though.

It doesn't snow often here in southeastern North Carolina, so... :P
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Quoting SPLbeater:


im in central NC, a good snow dont come unless we git 2/3 inches lol


Ha! Eastern NC is about the same way. The past two years have been really good to us though.
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From the Bayou City,

Harris County flood gauges inside The Loop report an average of 1.13 inches since this time yesterday.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

No, there is a possibility for minor accumulations.
Iv gotten school of for less. Saw a single flake one afternoon, next day no school.
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Quoting WxGeekVA:


Up north here around DC, we don't consider anything under 5 inches a snowstorm.


im in central NC, a good snow dont come unless we git 2/3 inches lol
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Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Down here a little snow is a storm.


Up north here around DC, we don't consider anything under 5 inches a snowstorm.
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Quoting weatherh98:


it wont accumulate at all but still

No, there is a possibility for minor accumulations.
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Quoting CybrTeddy:
Anyone got a clue as to when CFL might see its first round of real winter weather? Want to see some low 40s to upper 30s.



Not anytime soon. Looks like this next cold front is not going to be that cold for Central Florida. Also looks like most of December the temps are going to stay in the 70s for the days and 50s and 60s in the nighttime hours. Warm Winter ahead !!!
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

If it snows, you'll be lucky to get anything more than a dusting.


it wont accumulate at all but still
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Quoting TomTaylor:
ah ms watson

Always thought that the author should of had Hermione with Harry, not Ron...He's the top wizard, not Ron. Never understood that.


Yes, but the Weasleys were Harry's surrogate family and I believe that Rawlings had Harry marry Jenny to make him a legitimate family member. And then Hermione was also a family member by marrying Ron plus the three friends can celebrate all holidays, etc. together for the rest of their lives.
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Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Down here a little snow is a storm.

If it snows, you'll be lucky to get anything more than a dusting.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Snowstorm? Definitely no snowstorm.
Down here a little snow is a storm.
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Quoting hurricanehunter27:
So whats this talk about a Late Nov snow storm in the south? Please fill me in (Live in Altanta).

Snowstorm? Definitely no snowstorm.
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So whats this talk about a Late Nov snow storm in the south? Please fill me in (Live in Altanta).
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Wheres the front?? ;)
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Anyone got a clue as to when CFL might see its first round of real winter weather? Want to see some low 40s to upper 30s.
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Quoting interstatelover7165:
i call the air force!


okay good
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Quoting weatherh98:


Ill call the coast gaurd you take the navy....

Idc yell at me all you want Its an awesome power that u respect but it puts me in total AAWWEE
i call the air force!
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Quoting weatherh98:


Que asco



you need too post the Standard Version


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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

*Prepare for insults*


Ill call the coast gaurd you take the navy....

Idc yell at me all you want Its an awesome power that u respect but it puts me in total AAWWEE
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Flooding in Thailand and Cambodia: comparison of images 2011 vs. 2008.



(Nov. 17, 2011)



(Nov, 12, 2008)
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Quoting weatherh98:


Me too it gives me something to do, i could handle a year around hurriane season (and yes to all of you haters i HAVE been a major ccane and i loved it because it was amazing), later in life we are going to be fellow met's im sure of it

*Prepare for insults*
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

I don't like the sunshine either...It'd be fine with me if I'd snowed/rained 365 days out of the year.
Same here
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

I don't like the sunshine either...It'd be fine with me if I'd snowed/rained 365 days out of the year.


Me too it gives me something to do, i could handle a year around hurriane season (and yes to all of you haters i HAVE been a major ccane and i loved it because it was amazing), later in life we are going to be fellow met's im sure of it
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Quoting weatherh98:


figures it was spanish for thats disgusting bc it was really ba weather but to me any type of weather is great weather

sun=aggervating

I don't like the sunshine either...It'd be fine with me if I'd snowed/rained 365 days out of the year.
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Can't post that type of radar.


figures it was spanish for thats disgusting bc it was really ba weather but to me any type of weather is great weather

sun=aggervating
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Quoting weatherh98:


Que asco

Can't post that type of radar.
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