Rare October snowstorm hammers Northeast U.S.

By: Christopher C. Burt , 10:15 PM GMT on October 30, 2011

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The most extraordinary October snowstorm in over two centuries in the Northeast U.S. has finally come to an end this Sunday afternoon. Not since the infamous snow hurricane of 1804 have such prodigious amounts of snow been recorded in New England and, to a lesser extent, in the mid-Atlantic states. In fact, the snowfall, in most cases, has exceeded that of even the great October snow of 1804. Trees that had not yet lost their leaves suffered tremendous damage from the wet, heavy snow, and snapped branches and falling trees brought down numerous power lines, leaving at least 2.5 million people without electricity.


Figure 1. Heavy snow in Coopersburg, PA on October 29 brought down trees and blocked roads. Image credit: wunderphotographer boyrr.

The records are broken are simply unbelievable. New York City's Central Park location, with a period of record dating back to 1869, received an official 2.9" of snowfall, breaking the previous record of 0.8" set in 1925. The highest total in New York City itself was 6.0" at Fieldston in the Bronx. But that is a simply an afterthought compared to the 19.0" reported just 45 miles northwest of Manhattan at West Milford. New Jersey. Newark, New Jersey reported 5.2", by far their greatest October snowfall on record. And even that total pales in comparison to the astonishing figures measured in New Hampshire and Massachusetts where more than 30" has been reported. Perhaps most amazing of all is the 22.5" that fell at Concord, New Hampshire between 3pm Saturday and 7am Sunday. This the second greatest 24-hour total ever record on any date or month in Concord history. Virtually every site north of Maryland to Maine, with the exception of coastal areas, recorded their greatest October snowfall on record. True blizzard conditions were averted since the strongest winds were confined to coastal areas where the precipitation fell almost exclusively as rain. A wind gust of 69 mph was recorded at Nantucket, Massachusetts (where sustained winds of 53 mph also occurred) and Barnstable at 4am Sunday. The top wind gust on Long Island, New York was 58 mph at Sands Point.


Figure 2. Snow depth as of 2 am EDT Sunday October 29, 2011. Image credit: NOAA.

The highest snow totals by state, from the latest NOAA storm summary and NWS public information statements:

Massachusetts: 32" at Peru
New Hampshire: 31.4" at Jaffrey
Maine: 20.0" at Acton
New Jersey: 19.0" at West Milford
Connecticut: 18.6" at Bakersville
New York: 17.9" at Millbrook
Pennsylvania: 16.0" at Huffs Church, Hazleton, and Springtown
Vermont: 16.0" at West Halifax
West Virginia: 14.0" at Mount Storm
Maryland: 11.5" at Sabillasville
Rhode Island: 6.6" at West Glocester

New England's Snow Hurricane of October 9, 1804
In a post I wrote last November on record early snowstorms, I penned this account of the Great October Snow Hurricane of 1804:

Perhaps the most extraordinary early-season snowstorm in New England history occurred on Oct. 9, 1804 when a hurricane roared ashore on Long Island, New York and then encountered an arctic air mass over southeastern Canada. The winds of the hurricane caused extensive structural damage from New York to Massachusetts (where the steeple of North Church in Boston was blown down). The rain turned to snow as far south as the Connecticut River Valley in Connecticut, where low elevation towns from here to the Canadian border received 4-6" of snow, and the higher terrain of Vermont up to three feet of accumulation. In Vermont, drifts buried fences and blocked roads. The Catskills of New York reported 12-18"; the Berkshires of Massachusetts received 24-30". Even coastal New Haven reported some snow (and 3.66" of rain). Reference: "Early American Winters: 1604-1820", by David M. Ludlum, American Meteorological Society, 1966, and "Early American Hurricanes, 1492-1870", by the same author.

Given what we have just seen it is probably safe to concluded that this weekend's event was of even greater magnitude than the 1804 storm although three weeks later in the season.

Wunderground weather historian, Christopher C. Burt

New York City's 3rd wettest year on record
The 2.01 inches of precipitation that fell in New York City in Saturday's storm brought the city's year-to-date total to 65.75", which is 24.10" above normal, and makes it the third wettest year in New York City history. With two months still left in the year, New York City has a chance to beat its all-time wettest year in history, the 80.56" that fell in 1980. Records date back to 1869.

Early season snowfalls and climate change
Naturally, the occurrence of a record early-season snow storm will lead to cries of "what happened to global warming?" Global warming theory does predict that we should see a decrease in early-season and late season snow as the climate warms, since it will not be cold enough to snow. However, the climate models also predict that we may see an increase in the intensity of the strongest winter storms, like the Nor'easter that dumped the record October snows over the Northeast on Saturday, and it is important to realize that snow is not the same thing as cold. Temperatures in the Northeast U.S. were quite cold on Saturday, but no observing station there broke a record for coldest temperature for the day on October 29, according to the National Climatic Data Center. Our climate is still cold enough in October to give us the occasional early-season record snowstorm.

Quiet in the Atlantic
There are no threat areas to discuss in the Atlantic, and none of the reliable computer models are showing development of a new tropical depression in the Atlantic over the next seven days.

I'll have a new post on Tuesday morning.

Jeff Masters

Snowbound!! (suzi46)
no, not Christmas! just looks like it..the first series of shots of our record setting October Nor'easter..about 16 inches of heavy, wet snow causing all kinds of headaches, and dangerous situations here in the Western foothills of Maine into NH..I went out at first light to capture some of the scenes here at the 'farm'..beautiful but waay too early for this much snow..especially since we didn't have a chance to winterize the plants/trees/shrubs or cleanup the Autumn leaves (many of which are STILL ON THE TREES)
Snowbound!!
Very Confused (stoneygirl)
This shows how very confused mother nature is right now. One half of this photo is fall and they other half is winter. Crazy isn't it?
Very Confused
Millbrook, New York USA (gerilou54)
Oct.30, 2011
Millbrook, New York USA
Big Snow (luvne32)
Big Snow
SnowFire (luvne32)
13 in. of snow when I woke up Sun! But this was taken 2 days prior.
SnowFire
October Beech.. (suzi46)
looking amazing in the forest with the heavy snow coating..ALMOST makes this freak snowstorm a welcome visitor!
October Beech..
Farewell (luvne32)
Farewell

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271. winter123
9:13 AM GMT on November 03, 2011
I always wondered if a hurricane could produce snow. It almost happened with wilma, but missed the connection with the Noreaster. So there's historical evidence of it. But It's so far back I question it's accuracy. It was probably just a strong winter storm.
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270. Neapolitan
2:40 PM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting Minnemike:
is climate science politics?

the 'it is' camp: political and corporate figureheads. agenda -money (whether profit or economic policy)

the 'it is not' camp: scientific researchers publishing research results in peer reviewed publications. agenda -science (whether showing climate change or stability)

no further explanation needed.

Nailed it!
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269. Neapolitan
2:40 PM GMT on November 01, 2011
NEW BLOG ENTRY
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268. Minnemike
2:40 PM GMT on November 01, 2011
is climate science politics?

the 'it is' camp: political and corporate figureheads. agenda -money (whether profit or economic policy)

the 'it is not' camp: scientific researchers publishing research results in peer reviewed publications. agenda -science (whether showing climate change or stability)

no further explanation needed.
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267. Minnemike
2:34 PM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting BackwoodsTN:
Neapolitan, why do you even waste the time to respond to anyone else who provides informative links—links that just so happen to not coincide with your far left, Marxist political agenda and ridiculous pro-AWG bias?
why not?
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265. Neapolitan
1:57 PM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting MrMarcus:
This looks interesting...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/17/breaking-an -ipcc-backchannel-cloud-was-apparently-established -to-hide-ipcc-deliberations-from-foia/

Another swing and a miss for Watts. For something more recent and far more interesting, try this: http://www.southernstudies.org/2011/10/special-in vestigation-whos-behind-the-information-attacks-on -climate-scientists.html.
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264. AussieStorm
1:56 PM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting StormTracker2K:
I have a feeling hurricane season ain't over yet based on this below. Could have another storm in the Caribbean come the second week of November.


I have to agree and a projected pass of a CCKW should increase the threat of the genesis of one tropical cyclone. Confidence is low (10%) and will be adjusted with time. 11/16-11/23
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263. MrMarcus
1:39 PM GMT on November 01, 2011
This looks interesting...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/17/breaking-an -ipcc-backchannel-cloud-was-apparently-established -to-hide-ipcc-deliberations-from-foia/
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262. Bergeron
1:13 PM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting WatcherCI:
Can someone explain, simply, why the big blob coming off africa
won't develope? I see that the shear above it is high but it looks
very large and low with high vorticity. Are there other factors I don't
understand that would hinder developement if this crossed low under
the heavy shear?
Thanks


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261. Neapolitan
1:08 PM GMT on November 01, 2011
Magnitude 6.5
Date-Time

Tuesday, November 01, 2011 at 12:32:00 UTC
Tuesday, November 01, 2011 at 05:32:00 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 19.889N, 109.174W
Depth 5 km (3.1 miles)
Region REVILLA GIGEDO ISLANDS REGION
Distances 227 km (141 miles) NE of Socorro Island, Mexico
333 km (206 miles) SSE of Cabo San Lucas, Baja Calif. Sur, Mexico
419 km (260 miles) W of Puerto Vallarta, Jalisco, Mexico
1050 km (652 miles) W of MEXICO CITY, D.F., Mexico
Location Uncertainty horizontal /- 21.5 km (13.4 miles); depth /- 2.8 km (1.7 miles)
Parameters NST=359, Nph=359, Dmin=428.6 km, Rmss=1.01 sec, Gp=162,
M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=C
Source

Magnitude: NOAA, Pacific Tsunami Warning Center, Honolulu, Hawaii
Location: USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)

Event ID usb0006hfg

quake

000
WEPA42 PHEB 011241
TIBPAC

TSUNAMI BULLETIN NUMBER 001
PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER/NOAA/NWS
ISSUED AT 1241Z 01 NOV 2011

THIS BULLETIN APPLIES TO AREAS WITHIN AND BORDERING THE PACIFIC
OCEAN AND ADJACENT SEAS...EXCEPT ALASKA...BRITISH COLUMBIA...
WASHINGTON...OREGON AND CALIFORNIA.

... TSUNAMI INFORMATION BULLETIN ...

THIS BULLETIN IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY.

THIS BULLETIN IS ISSUED AS ADVICE TO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. ONLY
NATIONAL AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE
DECISIONS REGARDING THE OFFICIAL STATE OF ALERT IN THEIR AREA AND
ANY ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN IN RESPONSE.

AN EARTHQUAKE HAS OCCURRED WITH THESE PRELIMINARY PARAMETERS

ORIGIN TIME - 1232Z 01 NOV 2011
COORDINATES - 20.0 NORTH 109.2 WEST
DEPTH - 10 KM
LOCATION - REVILLA GIGEDO ISLANDS REGION
MAGNITUDE - 6.5

EVALUATION

NO DESTRUCTIVE WIDESPREAD TSUNAMI THREAT EXISTS BASED ON
HISTORICAL EARTHQUAKE AND TSUNAMI DATA.

HOWEVER - EARTHQUAKES OF THIS SIZE SOMETIMES GENERATE LOCAL
TSUNAMIS THAT CAN BE DESTRUCTIVE ALONG COASTS LOCATED WITHIN
A HUNDRED KILOMETERS OF THE EARTHQUAKE EPICENTER. AUTHORITIES
IN THE REGION OF THE EPICENTER SHOULD BE AWARE OF THIS
POSSIBILITY AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION.

THIS WILL BE THE ONLY BULLETIN ISSUED FOR THIS EVENT UNLESS
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE.

THE WEST COAST/ALASKA TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER WILL ISSUE PRODUCTS
FOR ALASKA...BRITISH COLUMBIA...WASHINGTON...OREGON...CALIFORNIA.
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260. islander101010
11:52 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
cable weather keeps saying we can use the rain "dry season is coming" i believe theyve ran out of things to say looks to me its going to be plenty wet here this winter regardless its la nina or not. enough is enough ponds are completely full here in e.cen fl.
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259. StormTracker2K
11:43 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Euro is in with MJO for 11/10/2011.

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258. StormTracker2K
11:41 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
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257. StormTracker2K
11:34 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Kinda looks like TS Gordon set up from 1994. Which oddly enough occured in November! Hurricane season is not over yet folks.
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256. StormTracker2K
11:33 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Euro is showing Sub Tropical Storm moving toward FL's east coast at day 10. Makes a lot of sense as other models are starting to jump on this bad wagon as well.
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255. nocaneindy
11:15 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting WatcherCI:
Can someone explain, simply, why the big blob coming off africa
won't develope? I see that the shear above it is high but it looks
very large and low with high vorticity. Are there other factors I don't
understand that would hinder developement if this crossed low under
the heavy shear?
Thanks


Well fronts, ull's, the shear you mention, and weakening sst's to name a few reasons are why this wave won't develop. This is the hostile time of season, much as June is. Predominate flow has changed from East to West, back to West to East. Happens every year bout this time. That means, something trying to form by Africa will have a much more difficult time developing than say something that spins up in the location of Rina. Not to say it can't happen, just that it is very less much likely than was possible a month or two ago. Climatology dictates that q and a, and will likely reign supreme again.
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254. nocaneindy
11:06 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting Tazmanian:





what the heck?


no its not we talk about all kinds of things snow storms hurricane GW so on and so on this blog is not mainly about the tropice sorry


So right Taz! This blog transcends it's original purpose. While you may think it's a tropics blog, during those months of no Atlantic tropical activity, this blog does all you say it does. Excellent coverage of winter storms, wherever they arise. Also, great coverage of southern hemisphere tropical systems, who's season is on the verge of beginning. And of course, the great offseason barrage of G.W.. And that is where this blog actually excels! For it doesn't matter if you agree with the many sound minded folks who agree that agw is happening all around us. ( this blogs author included ), or if you are in the crowd of nay sayers, the exchange of ideas and theories in the off season in that regard are a great place for the open minded and the intrigued to find and form a opinion one way or the other. This forum acts as such a educational tool to so many in very different ways. Nope, never a off season on this well educated, well informed blog! I say, teach away, to any and all who will participate from now till June 1st, 2012!
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253. HarlingenHolland
10:39 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
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252. stoormfury
10:36 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
two tropical waves out there. the one about 800 miles east of the southern islands have some spin and an abundance of moisture. could be a wet few days
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251. HarlingenHolland
8:10 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Another system (Arabian Sea 6 nov)

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250. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
7:59 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
India Meteorological Department
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #7
DEEP DEPRESSION ARB02-2011
8:30 AM IST November 1 2011
=========================================

SUBJECT: Deep Depression Over West Central Arabian Sea

At 3:00 AM UTC, The depression over west central Arabian Sea moved westward and intensified into deep depression. Deep Depression ARB02-2011 lays centered over west central Arabian Sea near 16.0N 56.0E, or about 2000 km west-northwest of Mangalore (Karnataka), 450 km north-northeast of Socotra Island (Yemen) and 230 km east-southeast of Salalah (Oman).

The system is likely to move west-northwestwards cross south Oman and adjoining Yemen coast close to south of Salalah around Wednesday morning.

The depth of convection has increased during past 12 hours. The Dvorak intensity is T2.0. Associated broken intense to very intense convection is seen over area between 13.0N to 18.5N and 51.5E to 58.0E and between 18.5N to 22.5N and 55.0E to 63.0E, including adjacent Oman coast. The lowest cloud top temperature due to convection is around -84C.

3 minute sustained winds near the center is 30 knots with a central pressure of 1000 hPa. The state of the sea is very rough around the system center.

The relative vorticity and low level convergence at 850 HPA level do not show significant change in past 12 hours and upper level divergence shows no change during the past 12 hours. Sea surface temperature is around 26-27C. The ocean heat content is less (<40 kj/cm2) around the system center and is not favorable for intensification over gulf of aden and adjoining Arabian Sea. Vertical wind shear of horizontal wind over the region has decreased and favorable as it is low to moderate (5-10 knots). There is negative 24 hour tendency of vertical wind shear around the system. The system lies to the south of upper tropospheric ridge, which runs roughly along 18.0N in association with an anticyclonic circulation to the northeast of system. 24 hours pressure tendency is negative along Oman coast. The lowest mean sea level pressure has been reported by Salalah of 1004.0 hPa.

Though most of the models suggest movement towards Gulf of Aden/Oman coast, there is large variation in track forecast. ECMWF model show west northwestward movement during the next 48 hours.
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249. HarlingenHolland
6:50 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Arabian Sea

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248. swflurker
6:04 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
I guess the night crew left?
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247. Tazmanian
5:39 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting HuracanTaino:
Obviously, this blog is mainly to discuss the tropics, now it will go to invernation for the next 6 month. Most of us will just lurk here and there during "the non Hurricane season" for anything interested to pop out with wintry weather.





what the heck?


no its not we talk about all kinds of things snow storms hurricane GW so on and so on this blog is not mainly about the tropice sorry
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246. HuracanTaino
4:55 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting wxgeek723:
The starvation for hurricane activity is pretty evident on here, lol
Obviously, this blog is mainly to discuss the tropics, now it will go to invernation for the next 6 month. Most of us will just lurk here and there during "the non Hurricane season" for anything interested to pop out with wintry weather.
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245. sunlinepr
4:44 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
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244. Tazmanian
4:26 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting WatcherCI:
Can someone explain, simply, why the big blob coming off africa
won't develope? I see that the shear above it is high but it looks
very large and low with high vorticity. Are there other factors I don't
understand that would hinder developement if this crossed low under
the heavy shear?
Thanks




CV season is overe thats why
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243. WatcherCI
4:04 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Can someone explain, simply, why the big blob coming off africa
won't develope? I see that the shear above it is high but it looks
very large and low with high vorticity. Are there other factors I don't
understand that would hinder developement if this crossed low under
the heavy shear?
Thanks
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242. superpete
4:03 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting Patrap:


Stunning tonight as it rises in the East here.


4.5 inch Reflector. 1 inch and Quarter Pflossel eyepiece.

Pat.. saw Jupiter rising this evening here in Cayman while driving home after work.Sun was barely below the horizon and Jupiter was clear and bright rising in the east.
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241. BahaHurican
4:01 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Still a lot of moisture out there in that WV loop...
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240. sunlinepr
3:54 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
We've got some spinin... east of Trinidad....

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239. wunderkidcayman
3:21 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
happy hollow to ay all
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238. Patrap
2:36 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Yeah,, they already moved into a different perspective as we await the Great Red Spot to come round.

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237. BaltimoreBrian
2:25 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Looks like you caught 3 of the Galilean satellites too Patrap! :)
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236. Patrap
1:59 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting BaltimoreBrian:
For those of you with clear skies, Jupiter is near opposition. Jupiter was at its brightest on October 29, but is still brighter this week than at any time until 2021. In the evening it is the brightest object in the sky besides the moon. In the evening look for it in the east. If the sky is fair you can't miss it!


Stunning tonight as it rises in the East here.


4.5 inch Reflector. 1 inch and Quarter Pflossel eyepiece.

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235. mtwhitney
1:55 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
"With two months still left in the year, New York City has a chance to beat its all-time wettest year in history, the 80.56" that fell in 1980. Records date back to 1869."

I believe the yearly rainfall record for nyc was set in 1983, not 1980. I very clearly remember 1980 ending in drought, it was considered the worst drought since the mid 1960's at the time. The rainfall record was probably 1983, a year of viscous rainstorms, never missed an opportunity to rain, and it always stuck around longer than expected. It was also the greatest el nino measured at the time.

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234. splash3392
1:52 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Neo you have it right! I sit on a Board of Adjustments for my county. We handle special exceptions, lot area variances, signage, home occupations etc. and many times we see HOA attorneys or officers asking us to enforce their deed restrictions even though county planning or zoning laws allow the case. Many of these HOA made the rules after the Comprehensive plan was approved, or deed restricted subdivisions want us to deny things that the county approves of but are deed restricted, again written after the approval of the County Comprehensive Plan and we can not legal deny it if the Comprehensive Plan approves it.

These attorneys get really upset, partly because it falls back on them to inforce the deed restrictions or HOA rules, and partly because we been there done that and state it at the beginning of the meeting. We are happy to allow you to make your objection a part of the record but we can not enforce your deed restrictions or HOA rules.
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233. BaltimoreBrian
1:40 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Any homeowners organization or local government in Florida that prevents people from installing solar panels is insane.

It's the Sunshine State! Let people use it if they want to!
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232. Neapolitan
1:31 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting FLWaterFront:


No deed restrictions in this neighborhood, where I live.

As a result, one can install solar panels and all sorts of other gadgets on their property, if they so desire. There are city-wide code restrictions in effect, such as disallowing fencing that is more than six feet in height unless a special permit for an exception is granted.

But aside from the solar panels being allowed, we also have such things as RV's parked in driveways and alongside houses, so there are both advantages and disadvantages to deed restrictions.

Most people I know who do live in deed restricted subdivisions and communities have some degree of trouble with their homeowner's association, which can be surprisingly Gestapo-like in enforcing the restrictions. I imagine in such cases, if one were to construct solar panels, they would be immediately threatened with losing their home.

True. In my experience, on the board of nearly every Florida HOA sits at least one very experienced, very retired, and very bored attorney looking for something to do, and woe to the homeowner who dares to violate in the slightest the deed covenants and restrictions. What's that? The bulb next to your patio door went out, and you replaced the DCR-mandated 75-watt bulb with a 60-watt one? Just who do you think you are?!

;-)
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231. BaltimoreBrian
1:22 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
For those of you with clear skies, Jupiter is near opposition. Jupiter was at its brightest on October 29, but is still brighter this week than at any time until 2021. In the evening it is the brightest object in the sky besides the moon. In the evening look for it in the east. If the sky is fair you can't miss it!
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230. FLWaterFront
12:56 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting Neapolitan:

2011 Florida Statutes Title XI, Chapter 163, Section 04, paragraph (2):

A deed restriction, covenant, declaration, or similar binding agreement may not prohibit or have the effect of prohibiting solar collectors, clotheslines, or other energy devices based on renewable resources from being installed on buildings erected on the lots or parcels covered by the deed restriction, covenant, declaration, or binding agreement. A property owner may not be denied permission to install solar collectors or other energy devices by any entity granted the power or right in any deed restriction, covenant, declaration, or similar binding agreement to approve, forbid, control, or direct alteration of property with respect to residential dwellings and within the boundaries of a condominium unit. Such entity may determine the specific location where solar collectors may be installed on the roof within an orientation to the south or within 45� east or west of due south if such determination does not impair the effective operation of the solar collectors.


No deed restrictions in this neighborhood, where I live.

As a result, one can install solar panels and all sorts of other gadgets on their property, if they so desire. There are city-wide code restrictions in effect, such as disallowing fencing that is more than six feet in height unless a special permit for an exception is granted.

But aside from the solar panels being allowed, we also have such things as RV's parked in driveways and alongside houses, so there are both advantages and disadvantages to deed restrictions.

Most people I know who do live in deed restricted subdivisions and communities have some degree of trouble with their homeowner's association, which can be surprisingly Gestapo-like in enforcing the restrictions. I imagine in such cases, if one were to construct solar panels, they would be immediately threatened with losing their home.
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229. Cotillion
12:46 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting BahaHurican:
212. Cotillion 7:17 PM EDT on October 31, 2011
Hey, Cotillion, I'm wondering if we won't see an early flip to El Nino, so that by the height of the season conditions are much less favorable. That would give the damp squib effect right there. It wouldn't be unprecedented. OTOH, the cold PDO could have a rather different impact, keeping us neutral / cold side, which would have a rather different impact.


Hey Baha,

Well, the cold PDO really deals with probability of ENSO as opposed to anything else (at least, in the context of what we're dealing with). As there was an El Nino as recently as 2009, I would not expect to see one upcoming. You regularly saw periods of 5 to 6 years of no El Nino during cold PDO. This is not to say we may have to wait until 2014-15 to see another El Nino, but rather we should not be surprised by seeing it less.

Musing over the activity being subdued is more down to the often seen event of seasons being unable to keep up high activity seasons three times in a row, particularly when you have three cold seasons (though the neutral season this year has skewed that).

Of course, that's been challenged in the last fifteen years to some extent - taking the 98-01 section as well as 03-05, though both of those segments differ from the last two years.

As most of the previous cold PDO was not seen by satellites (and we know of that impact on quantity) as well as the peculiarity of this year, it does leave more unknowns than usual for next year.
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228. Tropicsweatherpr
12:44 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting BahaHurican:
212. Cotillion 7:17 PM EDT on October 31, 2011
Hey, Cotillion, I'm wondering if we won't see an early flip to El Nino, so that by the height of the season conditions are much less favorable. That would give the damp squib effect right there. It wouldn't be unprecedented. OTOH, the cold PDO could have a rather different impact, keeping us neutral / cold side, which would have a rather different impact.


If the CFS model is right,La Nina would be hanging around by late Spring to early Summer. But as we know,things can change in the Tropics and La Nina may fade more quickly.



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227. wxgeek723
12:40 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
The starvation for hurricane activity is pretty evident on here, lol
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226. DDR
12:38 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting BahaHurican:


Uh.... Twaves are still out there, ppl.

Interesting,the one furthest west will be moving through here tomorrow,just had a downpour from the leading edge.
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225. DDR
12:36 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting bohonkweatherman:
I will trade you, 11 inches here the past 13 months plus, No improvement in the drought close to me, Happy Halloween to all

Hey there
wow...that is horrible,hope next year brings some rainfall to your area and TX.
Just imagine i got the same 11 inches in 4 days here 2 weeks ago,incredible extremes.
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224. BahaHurican
12:21 AM GMT on November 01, 2011


Uh.... Twaves are still out there, ppl.
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223. BahaHurican
12:17 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
212. Cotillion 7:17 PM EDT on October 31, 2011
Hey, Cotillion, I'm wondering if we won't see an early flip to El Nino, so that by the height of the season conditions are much less favorable. That would give the damp squib effect right there. It wouldn't be unprecedented. OTOH, the cold PDO could have a rather different impact, keeping us neutral / cold side, which would have a rather different impact.
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222. BahaHurican
12:04 AM GMT on November 01, 2011
Quoting Jedkins01:


Some Floridians are a little strange, I was watching some tree trimmers in their bucket truck trimming tree branches with their bare arms and the metal frame about 1 foot away from 12,000 volt power lines. They didn't even put wire guards up, one mistake and you'll have your arm blow off from an arch, and wake up with extreme pain and depression, and that's if you're fortunate...
Hey... unlike those from other states, Floridian tree trimmers don't have to worry about getting fried.... they're too laid back to worry.... :o)
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