Major rains for Southeast U.S., TX, KS, and OK; Jova and Irwin a threat to Mexico

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:24 PM GMT on October 07, 2011

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A large low pressure system with heavy rain is expected to develop over Cuba, South Florida, and the Bahamas on Saturday. The counter-clockwise flow around this low will bring strong winds and heavy rains to much of the Florida coast on Saturday, and these conditions will spread northwards to Georgia by Sunday and South Carolina by Monday. I doubt that this storm will acquire enough organization to evolve into a subtropical storm that gets a name, based on the latest model output, and the fact that the storm's center may well be over the state of Florida. This will be a large, diffuse system that will bring strong winds and heavy rains to a large area of the Southeast U.S. coast, regardless of the exact center location. Portions of the coastal waters along the Florida Panhandle, as well as from Northeast Florida to South Carolina, are likely to experience sustained winds of 30 - 40 mph Monday and Tuesday. Since the storm is going to get its start as a cold-cored upper-level low pressure system with some dry air aloft, it will not be able to intensify quickly.


Figure 1. Rainfall forecast for the 5-day period ending at 8 am EDT Wednesday, October 12, 2011. The storm system affecting Florida this weekend is expected to bring up to 11 inches of rain along the coast. Heavy rains associated with a strong trough of low pressure are also expected to dump 4 - 6 inches of rain over drought-stricken areas of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas. Image credit: NOAA/HPC.

Heavy rain event coming for drought-stricken regions of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas
A strong low pressure system is expected to track across the Texas and Oklahoma Panhandles this weekend, bringing the heaviest rains of the year to drought-stricken portions of Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas, including Abilene. Rainfall in this region has been 13 - 20 inches below normal for the year; Lubbock, Texas has had just 3 inches of rain this year, compared to a normal of 16 inches. Rainfall amount of 1 - 4 inches will be common in the region over the weekend, and may be able to reduce drought conditions from the highest level (exceptional) to the second highest level (extreme.) However, the heaviest rains will stay confined to the western half of Texas, and Texas's major cities such as Houston will see very little rain over the weekend. As of yesterday, Houston had gone 253 consecutive days without a one-inch rainstorm, a new record. The longest previous such streak was 192 days, set in 1917 - 1918. The last one inch rainstorm in the city was January 24, 2011. Remarkably, the local National Weather Service office has not issued any flood products in over a year.


Figure 2. The amount of rain needed to break the Texas drought is in excess of 15 inches (purple colors) over most of the state. This year's drought is officially Texas' worst one-year drought on record. Image credit: NOAA/NWS.

Philippe being ripped up by wind shear
Hurricane Philippe, the fifth hurricane of the 2011 Atlantic hurricane season, doesn't have much time left as a hurricane, due to high wind shear of 40 - 50 knots that is starting to tear the storm apart. Satellite loops show Philippe has become lopsided and is now missing its eye. Philippe will continue to degrade in appearance over the next few days, and will die in the middle Atlantic without affecting any land areas.


Figure 3. True-color MODIS image of Philippe over the mid-Atlantic taken at 10:45 am EDT October 6, 2011. At the time, Philippe was a Category 1 hurricane with 80 mph winds. Image credit: NASA.

Jova and Irwin: double trouble for Mexico's Eastern Pacific coast
In the Eastern Pacific off the coast of Mexico, two new tropical storms spun up yesterday. The storm of greatest immediate concern is the one closest to the coast, Tropical Storm Jova. Jova is currently headed west-northwest, parallel to the coast, but will turn north and then northeast over the weekend as a strong trough of low pressure dives southward over northern Mexico. The computer models have a fairly wide spread for the track of Jova, with the region of coast centered on Puerto Vallarta between Manzanillo and Tuxpan at greatest risk of a strike. Jova is under moderate shear of 10 - 20 knots, and shear is predicted to stay in the low to moderate range between now and landfall. Ocean temperatures are warm, 28 - 29°C, but the warm waters do not extend to great depth, limiting Jova's potential for rapid intensification. The upper atmosphere is also not cold enough to give Jova the kind of instability typically needed for rapid intensification. Nonetheless, both the GFDL and HWRF models predict Jova will intensify into a major Category 3 hurricane before landfall on Monday on the Mexican coast. The official NHC forecast is less aggressive, bringing Jova to Category 1 strength. This is probably too conservative, and I expect Jova will be at least a Cat 2 at landfall. One possible impediment to development may be Jova's close proximity to Hurricane Irwin to its west. Upper-level outflow from Irwin could weaken Jova, and the two storms may compete for the same moisture. The two storms are close enough to each other--about 650 miles apart--that they will affect each others' track, as well. Whenever two storms of at least tropical storm strength approach within 900 miles of each other, a phenomenon known as the Fujiwhara effect comes into play. This effect causes the two storms to rotate counterclockwise around a common center. Since the degree of rotation will depend on the relative strengths of the the two storms, and our ability to make good intensity forecasts is limited, the track forecasts for both Jova and Irwin will have a higher degree of uncertainty than usual. Regardless of Jova's strength at landfall, the storm will bring very heavy rains to the Mexican coast capable of causing dangerous flash floods and mudslides, beginning on Sunday night.

Once Jova has made landfall, Mexico needs to concern itself with Hurricane Irwin, which is gathering strength farther to the west. Irwin is also moving to the west-northwest, and will also be turned north and then northeast towards the coast of Mexico this weekend by the same trough of low pressure expected to affect Jova. The longer range computer forecast models show Irwin could make landfall as a hurricane on the Mexican coast late next week, along the same stretch of coast Jova will affect. If this verifies, the one-two punch of heavy rains from two tropical cyclones within a week could cause a devastating flood situation along the Mexican coast.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting WoodyFL:


Just a few miles north from here. and i didn't bring in the garbage cans like my wife said. I'm gonna hear it now.


Oh my...are you in Boca? Because I'm a few miles from Pompano and I live in Boca.
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Quoting Chicklit:
Statement as of 8:36 PM EDT on October 07, 2011

The National Weather Service in Miami has issued a

* significant weather advisory for... northeastern Broward County southeastern Palm Beach County

* until 900 PM EDT

* at 831 PM EDT... National Weather Service meteorologists detected a strong thunderstorm near Lighthouse Point... and moving west at 30 mph. A wind gust of 57 mph was recorded in Pompano Beach with this storm.

* The storm will affect...
Oakland Park...
Coconut Creek...
Margate...
Coral Springs...
and surrounding communities.

The primary impacts will be frequent to excessive lightning and gusty winds of 45 to 55 mph. Lightning is the number one weather related killer in Florida. Trees and open shelters offer no protection. These
winds can down small tree limbs and branches... and blow around unsecured small objects. Seek shelter in a safe building until the storm passes.

Lat... Lon 2626 8007 2617 8009 2616 8010 2611 8036
2640 8037 2636 8006
time... Mot... loc 0036z 089deg 27kt 2627 8012



Just a few miles north from here. and i didn't bring in the garbage cans like my wife said. I'm gonna hear it now.
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Quoting Skyepony:
Couple spots I mentioned early are getting stronger. What I thought would pull together more over the S. Bahamas is just NE of Jamaica but headed that way up the trof. East Cuba & Haiti may get a blob tonight.

The other area of energy is south of Dominica. Interesting the discussion mentioned the mid level circulation noted before sunset. Both these areas look to be firing up..






Looks like it should start falling in earnest for me tonight. Had 5 or so quick downpours today but only .13". Could really use it.


South of Dominica? I think you mean the Dominican Republic. ;)
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Quoting Skyepony:


Of the seven times it's ever happened they usually went Atlantic to Pacific, It's happened the other way around. I don't see it happening with either of these storms.




Here is a fun interactive of 1998 Mitch - goes Atl->Pac->Atl and regen's as a TS

Link
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Quoting Chicklit:


Yay! Bring it on.


Are u in fl? I am on the coast in Las Olas Isles. It is really getting nasty. You can here the wind very high up. It is getting unstable atmosphere. So i guess something wants to form.
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Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:
Would you could you on a train?


I think I can... I think I can
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443. Skyepony (Mod)
Couple spots I mentioned early are getting stronger. What I thought would pull together more over the S. Bahamas is just NE of Jamaica but headed that way up the trof. East Cuba & Haiti may get a blob tonight.

The other area of energy is south of Dominican Republic. Interesting the discussion mentioned the mid level circulation noted before sunset. Both these areas look to be firing up..




Quoting Abacosurf:
Looks like some rain heading towards you sky...nice


Looks like it should start falling in earnest for me tonight. Had 5 or so quick downpours today but only .13". Could really use it.

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Quoting hurricaneben:
Here in Boca, it's breezy to fairly windy...say at around 15-20 MPH with gusts to 25 MPH. The weather is relatively clear but we might get some nice rain and possibly thunder perhaps as soon as in the next hour or two. Strong gusty winds may also occur and...a slight but existent risk of funnel clouds, at this time. So now I must ask how bad will it get? Anyone else wanna share their current conditions?


About 150 miles north on the Space Coast... overcast, scattered showers in the vicinity, 78F, winds ENE 18, gusts 27 right now. Expecting 4-8" of rain, totals could reach 10" in spots. Flood Watch in effect, Heavy Surf Advisory in effect.
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No change in strength for all three storms:

Philippe: 70 mph

Jova: 65 mph

Irwin: 90 mph
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Quoting ecflweatherfan:


Believe me, it is better this way! I can not carry a hum... so it is better me typing it out that trying to sing it for you guys. Unless you want me to, but I would not... could not... subject you to such horrible things.
Would you could you on a train?
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Statement as of 8:36 PM EDT on October 07, 2011

The National Weather Service in Miami has issued a

* significant weather advisory for... northeastern Broward County southeastern Palm Beach County

* until 900 PM EDT

* at 831 PM EDT... National Weather Service meteorologists detected a strong thunderstorm near Lighthouse Point... and moving west at 30 mph. A wind gust of 57 mph was recorded in Pompano Beach with this storm.

* The storm will affect...
Oakland Park...
Coconut Creek...
Margate...
Coral Springs...
and surrounding communities.

The primary impacts will be frequent to excessive lightning and gusty winds of 45 to 55 mph. Lightning is the number one weather related killer in Florida. Trees and open shelters offer no protection. These
winds can down small tree limbs and branches... and blow around unsecured small objects. Seek shelter in a safe building until the storm passes.

Lat... Lon 2626 8007 2617 8009 2616 8010 2611 8036
2640 8037 2636 8006
time... Mot... loc 0036z 089deg 27kt 2627 8012

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Whoa, looks like we are about to get hammered at any time. Thunderstorm containing strong winds is headed straight for my area roughly. A gust of 57 MPH has already been reported about 15 miles away from me, in Pompano Beach.
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Quoting WoodyFL:


Max Mayfield said something else could form on Monday, too. Looks like we could get about 5-10 inches with this one.


Yay! Bring it on.
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Here in Boca, it's breezy to fairly windy...say at around 15-20 MPH with gusts to 25 MPH. The weather is relatively clear but we might get some nice rain and possibly thunder perhaps as soon as in the next hour or two. Strong gusty winds may also occur and...a slight but existent risk of funnel clouds, at this time. So now I must ask how bad will it get? Anyone else wanna share their current conditions?
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Quoting Chicklit:
Thought Dr. Masters made a good point in his current blog that since this will form 'over' Florida it will be broad and not really form a center.
We could all use a drenching so I think it's a pretty cool. I hope the Panhandle gets some of it!
Also great news that at least part of Texas will get some relief from the drought.


Max Mayfield said something else could form on Monday, too. Looks like we could get about 5-10 inches with this one.
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Quoting Skyepony:


Of the seven times it's ever happened they usually got Atlantic to Pacific, It's happened the other way around. I don't see it happening with either of these storms.




If I remember correctly, didn't Mitch go from Caribbean to Pacific then turned NE into the Gulf, crossed FL and went into the Atlantic?
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Quoting clwstmchasr:


The trolls, political activist, and kids have ruined this blog. Most of the people with real weather knowledge have left. I seldom post now.


Frankly, I'm weary of your whining.
If it's so bad, then why are you still here?
Go ahead, make my day.
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Thought Dr. Masters made a good point in his current blog that since this will form 'over' Florida it will be broad and not really form a center.
We could all use a drenching so I think it's a pretty cool. I hope the Panhandle gets some of it!
Also great news that at least part of Texas will get some relief from the drought.
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Quoting Darryl7:
The beaches have been there for near a million years. Why does this keep getting said? Junk science.
wrong florida was under water then
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Quoting Skyepony:


Storms usually don't survive crossing Central America. Tends to be alot of mountains. The few that have made it tend to be larger & more spread out then Jova & Irwin.
Looks like some rain heading towards you sky...nice
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Quoting ecflweatherfan:


Darn Florida mountains... get in the way all the time. Those in Leesburg and Tavares are in the rain shadow, I suppose.


That's it.
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Quoting WeatherNerdPR:

You know the blog is slow when...people start singing.


Believe me, it is better this way! I can not carry a hum... so it is better me typing it out that trying to sing it for you guys. Unless you want me to, but I would not... could not... subject you to such horrible things.
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Quoting LargoFl:
I was wondering the same thing today, can a system cross mexico and enter the gulf?


Of the seven times it's ever happened they usually went Atlantic to Pacific, It's happened the other way around. I don't see it happening with either of these storms.


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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
whew all that rain headed to tampa and the west coast, you guys called it right..a soggy weekend
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Quoting FrankZapper:
Agree 1000

After all, this isn't 4th grade with Ms Haggerdsface staring us down. :)

Yes, it will be a rainy weekend in south Florida, but no named systems.


I think I had her 5th grade. Never did like her much.
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hmmmm....

LinkLoop

Okay, I'm labeling this thing around Florida a 'stealth system.'

It's been gusty here in ECFL all week.
All in all pretty cool unless you have oceanfront property.
Tomorrow I'll walk a couple blocks to the beach to look at erosion. It must be pretty bad as it feels like we've had a moderate nor'easter for about a week now, particularly in the evenings.
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Quoting Skyepony:


Seen some heat lightning this evening too. Wasn't far at all, cloud to cloud, but couldn't hear it.


Matter of fact, just pulled up the radar, and I have a heavy shower developing just offshore Cocoa Beach that may clip me... but plenty more beyond this. Radar looking quite active tonight. (Rumble of thunder heard just now)
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Quoting DiddyVort:
It's blowing a gale and freakin drowning the gators here in Martin County!




Wow, really coming down there now.
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mid west

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anybody have any update on irwin and jova? :P
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Quoting ecflweatherfan:


Hey now... where is the Polite Police when you need him/her??? Or as so affectionately known by me as the Manners Police?

jk. lol

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I love this blog.
Its my kind of place.
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You know the blog is slow when...people start singing.
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Quoting DiddyVort:
It's blowing a gale and freakin drowning the gators here in Martin County!


more to come friend much much more
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Quoting DiddyVort:
It's blowing a gale and freakin drowning the gators here in Martin County!


weather channel guy said the could be severe beach erosion over on the east coast as well
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Quoting ecflweatherfan:


Yeah, looks like a wet night here in Brevard. I saw some this early morning on my way in to work. Nice light show. Just goes to show how warm that water still is. And the cool thing is that it makes for good sleeping.


Seen some heat lightning this evening too. Wasn't far at all, cloud to cloud, but couldn't hear it.
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Quoting coffee10:
I randomly landed on this site during Irene and found an interest in severe weather and how you guys analyze it. With a lot of activity in the eastern pacific heading into mexico, is it possible for these systems to make it into the gulf of mexico and get stronger? Thanks in advance.
I was wondering the same thing today, can a system cross mexico and enter the gulf?
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Quoting WoodyFL:


This could be a really great place. Lots of smart people on here sometimes. Why not have fun with it. Looks like we might get really heavy rain tomorrow here in south Florida.
Agree 1000

After all, this isn't 4th grade with Ms Haggerdsface staring us down. :)

Yes, it will be a rainy weekend in south Florida, but no named systems.
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Quoting coffee10:
I randomly landed on this site during Irene and found an interest in severe weather and how you guys analyze it. With a lot of activity in the eastern pacific heading into mexico, is it possible for these systems to make it into the gulf of mexico and get stronger? Thanks in advance.


Storms usually don't survive crossing Central America. Tends to be alot of mountains. The few that have made it tend to be larger & more spread out then Jova & Irwin.
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Quoting Skyepony:
Having some showers in Melbourne, FL & the first of the lightning that I've seen coming in on this east wind..


Yeah, looks like a wet night here in Brevard. I saw some this early morning on my way in to work. Nice light show. Just goes to show how warm that water still is. And the cool thing is that it makes for good sleeping.
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hi wunderbloggers.
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indianriverguy, that was a nice, interesting piece. Might be a good thing for us to post those when things are slow. Nice to know families kept stuff like that.
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402. Skyepony (Mod)
Having some showers in Melbourne, FL & the first of the lightning that I've seen coming in on this east wind..
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Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

BE QUIET RIGHT NOW!!! NOBODY ASKED YOU!!!

lol, just kidding.


Hey now... where is the Polite Police when you need him/her??? Or as so affectionately known by me as the Manners Police?

jk. lol

mmmmmm, I love this blog.
I love this blog.
Its my kind of place.
All the people chattin'
Puts a big smile on my face.
No member charge.
No joiner fees.
mmmhmmm, I love this blog.
(Sing to the tune of "I love this bar")
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Quoting FrankZapper:
I feel the same Woody. You forgot to mention that so many have each other on ignore,(I know) that there is no dialogue anymore. Sorta like parallel universes. :(


This could be a really great place. Lots of smart people on here sometimes. Why not have fun with it. Looks like we might get really heavy rain tomorrow here in south Florida.
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Dunno abt use gise, but it's usually pretty quiet in here on Friday nights.... I guess there r a bunch of teens and family pple who have date night or fambily meetings or some such .... I usually don't go out until late on Fridays, so I'm more likely 2 be here in the evenings....
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