Irene hits New Jersey and New York; Jose threating Bermuda; 92L forms

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:45 PM GMT on August 28, 2011

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Hurricane Irene hit New Jersey ten miles north of Atlantic City at 5:30 am EDT, as a minimum-strength Category 1 hurricane with 75 mph winds. Irene is only the second hurricane since 1851 to hit New Jersey. At 9 am EDT, Irene made a third U.S. landfall over Long Island, NY, and New York City, as a tropical storm with 65 mph winds. Top wind gusts measured in New York City were 60 mph at Central Park at 3:58 am; 67 mph at La Guardia at 4:10 am; and 59 mph at JFK Airport at 1:33 am. A 91 mph gust was recorded in Sayville, NY on the Central Long Island coast, at 7:02 am. Emergency managers reported that the nearby town of Lindenhurst (population 28,000), on the south side of Long Island, was mostly under water due to a storm surge. The storm surge at The Battery on the southern shore of Manhattan reached 4.0 feet, overtopping the sea wall in several locations. Fresh water run-off from Irene's torrential rains, riding on top of a 3 to 4-foot storm surge, allowed the swollen East and Hudson Rivers to overflow at the edges of Manhattan. Irene's rains have now ended in New York City, after accumulating to 7.60" at Central Park. This brings total rainfall for the month of August in New York City to 19.68", making it the wettest month in the city since record keeping began in 1869. The previous record was 16.85", set in September 1882. Philadelphia, PA and Newark, NJ have also set all-time wettest month records, thanks to Irene's rains. The 19.40" of rain that has fallen in Philadelphia this August is probably the most rain any major city in the Northeast, U.S. has received since 22.43" fell in Newark, NJ in August 1843, according to wunderground's weather historian, Christopher C. Burt.


Figure 1. Storm surge at The Battery on the south end of New York City's Manhattan Island as of noon EDT Sunday, August 28, 2011. The green line is the storm surge, which is the difference between the observed water level (red line) and what the water level should have been without the hurricane (blue line). At 4:45 am, the storm surge peaked at 4.0 feet. The surge declined to about 3 feet during the high tide cycle, then rose again to near 3.9 feet as the tide started going out. Image credit: NOAA Tides and Currents.


Figure 2. Total rainfall over the past 30 days along the mid-Atlantic coast and New England has topped 15 inches (purple colors) in many areas, making August the wettest month in recorded history for the cities of Philadelphia, Newark, and New York City. Image credit: NOAA/AHPS.

Irene's rains bringing significant river flooding
Irene brought more than eight inches of rain to a long stretch of the Atlantic coast from North Carolina to New York. NOAA's Significant River Flood Outlook is showing that significant river flooding is already occurring along coastal regions of North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, and New Jersey, and is expected to spread to Eastern Pennsylvania, eastern New York, Western Massachusetts, and most of Vermont and New Hampshire.

The 1903 Vagabond Hurricane
The only other hurricane to hit New Jersey since 1851 was the 1903 Category 1 Vagabond Hurricane. According to Wikipedia, the Vagabond Hurricane caused heavy damage along the New Jersey coast ($180 million in 2006 dollars.) The hurricane killed 57 people, and endangered the life of President Theodore Roosevelt, who was sailing on a yacht near Long Island, NY, when the hurricane hit. New Jersey only rarely gets hit by hurricanes because it lies in an portion of the coast that doesn't stick out much and is too far north.


Figure 3. The path of the 1903 Vagabond Hurricane, the only other hurricane to hit New Jersey since 1851.

Tropical Storm Jose forms
Tropical Storm Jose formed this morning in surprise fashion, managing to maintain enough heavy thunderstorms in the face of very high wind shear of 40 - 55 knots to become the season's tenth named storm. Jose does not have long to live, due to the strong upper-level winds from Hurricane Irene that are creating the shear. Jose will likely bring strong winds near tropical storm force later today when it passes just west of Bermuda. Satellite loops show that there is very little heavy thunderstorm activity associated with Jose, and Bermuda will see much less rain than is usual for a tropical storm passing so close.

Elsewhere in the tropics: Invest 92L forms
A strong tropical wave located off the coast of Africa, about 200 miles south of the Cape Verde Islands, is moving west at 10 mph, and has been designated Invest 92L by NHC this morning. This system has a large amount of heavy thunderstorm activity and moderate amount of spin, and appears likely to develop into a tropical storm later this week, as all of the computer models are developing it. NHC is giving 92L a 40% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Tuesday. This storm will be moving more slowly across the Atlantic than Irene did, and will take at least 6 days to reach the Lesser Antilles Islands. Forecast tracks from the long-range GFS and ECMWF models suggest that Bermuda might be the only land area threatened by 92L, but it is too early to be confident of this.

Hottest day in Houston's history
The mercury hit 109°F (42.8°C) yesterday at Houston's George Bush Intercontinental Airport, tying September 4, 2000 as the hottest day in the city's history. Yesterday was the also the hottest August day on record in Houston, besting the 108°F reading of August 18, 1909. This year, Houston has set its record for all-time hottest temperature, most 100° days in a year (36, old record was 32, and 4 is normal), and most consecutive 100° days (24, old record was 14.) Weather records in Houston go back to 1889. Houston needs 20.18" of rain to get to normal levels of rainfall for the year. Today's high is predicted to be 107°F in Houston, so yesterday's record may be in danger of being broken today. By the end of the week, Houston is expected to cool down below 100°, and a weather pattern conducive for bringing summer rains will move in.

I'll have a new post Monday morning.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting Seawall:
Sorry if this has been posted before, but video out of Vermont. This is just incredible what damage these folks are sustaining. I can only imagine what some other states are going through, or about to go through with Irene. It's not over, even though the media coverage is dying down.

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Incredible and sad. Reminds me of Ike's flooding but his was mostly from surge around here. That water is some powerful stuff.
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2450. Seawall
And from Connecticut, or CT, if I misspelled it. I remember after Katrina and Rita, our neighbors from the North helped us a lot; I pray for them tonight. It's the river flooding that's gonna get a lot of folks from New England.
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2449. Seawall
New Hampshire flooding...
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Quoting Seawall:
Sorry if this has been posted before, but video out of Vermont. This is just incredible what damage these folks are sustaining. I can only imagine what some other states are going through, or about to go through with Irene. It's not over, even though the media coverage is dying down.

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Believe it or not, Media coverage here in Mississippi is quite extensive. Gather because, our folks can identify with what is going on in the Northeast.
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Quoting KoritheMan:
I see we'll likely have 12L this morning.


Looks that way. The EURO just ran. So far looks like a huge trough comes in to save the day. But you know how that goes wait and see. Still not showing gulf development but does have low pressure over TX for a few days coming up. For a change. :)
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2446. Seawall
Sorry if this has been posted before, but video out of Vermont. This is just incredible what damage these folks are sustaining. I can only imagine what some other states are going through, or about to go through with Irene. It's not over, even though the media coverage is dying down.

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I see we'll likely have 12L this morning.
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Quoting AtHomeInTX:
Now there's something that makes ya go hmmm. ;-)

GMZ089-290930-
SYNOPSIS FOR THE GULF OF MEXICO
1030 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2011

.SYNOPSIS... A WEAK STATIONARY FRONT FROM THE FLORIDA BIG BEND
TO 25N88W TO THE TEXAS LOUISIANA BORDER WILL GRADUALLY DISSIPATE
THROUGH MON NIGHT. AN AREA OF LOW PRES ALONG A TROUGH IS
EXPECTED TO DEVELOP IN THE SW GULF MON NIGHT THROUGH WED WHILE
AN ATLC RIDGE BUILDS WESTWARD ALONG THE FAR NORTHERN GULF. THE
RIDGE RETREATS THU AND FRI
WITH A WEAK PRES PATTERN LEFT FOR THE
END OF THE WEEK.

C'mon be weak, wet and come up here. :) Earlier the weakness was supposed to be in the TX/LA region. If it still is we might get a visitor with the retreating high.


Nan, it won't go to Texas, it'll find us here in Mississippi! It's our turn again!
You guys got Ike, so it's got to come our way...LOL!
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2443. vince1
Whoa, Dallas is actually going to drop below 100 on Thursday...hurrah.
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Quoting TexasHurricane:
Night...check in tomorrow.


Night Tex. Guess I'll wait for the EURO to run since I'm here anyway. :)
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Night...check in tomorrow.
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Quoting HimacaneBrees:


This one has the potential to bring you the rain (and then some) that you've been wishing for. Still a long way's out though.


Yeah I don't want that. Or what it would have to do before it got this far. A nice blob would be nice every now and then.
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Lets hope this is wrong takes 92l nearly thru the Bahamas again then way too close to the east coast. AGAIN. Glad its too far out to take as the gospel.

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Quoting AtHomeInTX:


Here we go again. Lets hope this one goes up and out fast.


This one has the potential to bring you the rain (and then some) that you've been wishing for. Still a long way's out though.
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Quoting AllStar17:
Finally a night with Irene not being around! Have an excellent night, everyone! I'll see what 92L (or TD 12?) is up to tomorrow.


There's still 1/4 million without power in Canada and growing. She's still not gone yet and still wreaking havoc even without a name.
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Quoting Cat5Hurricane250:
000
ABNT20 KNHC 290536
TWOAT

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 AM EDT MON AUG 29 2011

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL
STORM JOSE...LOCATED ABOUT 190 MILES NORTH-NORTHWEST OF BERMUDA.
THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER HAS ISSUED THE LAST ADVISORY ON
POST-TROPICAL CYCLONE IRENE...LOCATED INLAND NEAR THE BORDER OF
QUEBEC AND WESTERN MAINE.

SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS CONTINUE TO BECOME BETTER ORGANIZED IN
ASSOCIATION WITH A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM LOCATED ABOUT 375 MILES
SOUTH OF THE SOUTHERN CAPE VERDE ISLANDS...AND A TROPICAL
DEPRESSION COULD BE FORMING. IF CURRENT TRENDS CONTINUE...
ADVISORIES WILL LIKELY BE INITIATED LATER THIS MORNING.
THIS SYSTEM
HAS A HIGH CHANCE...NEAR 100 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES WESTWARD OR
WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT AROUND 15 MPH.

AN ELONGATED AREA OF LOW PRESSURE ASSOCIATED WITH THE REMNANTS OF
TROPICAL DEPRESSION TEN IS LOCATED ABOUT 800 MILES WEST-NORTHWEST
OF THE NORTHERN CAPE VERDE ISLANDS. THIS SYSTEM IS PRODUCING ONLY
INTERMITTENT SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY AND UPPER-LEVEL WINDS
ARE UNFAVORABLE FOR ANY SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT. THIS SYSTEM HAS A
LOW CHANCE...NEAR 0 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING
THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES NORTHWESTWARD AT 10 TO 15 MPH.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

PUBLIC ADVISORIES ON JOSE ARE ISSUED UNDER WMO HEADER WTNT31 KNHC
AND UNDER AWIPS HEADER MIATCPAT1. FORECAST/ADVISORIES ON JOSE ARE
ISSUED UNDER WMO HEADER WTNT21 KNHC AND UNDER AWIPS HEADER
MIATCMAT1.

$$
FORECASTER BRENNAN


Here we go again. Lets hope this one goes up and out fast.
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000
ABNT20 KNHC 290536
TWOAT

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 AM EDT MON AUG 29 2011

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL
STORM JOSE...LOCATED ABOUT 190 MILES NORTH-NORTHWEST OF BERMUDA.
THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER HAS ISSUED THE LAST ADVISORY ON
POST-TROPICAL CYCLONE IRENE...LOCATED INLAND NEAR THE BORDER OF
QUEBEC AND WESTERN MAINE.

SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS CONTINUE TO BECOME BETTER ORGANIZED IN
ASSOCIATION WITH A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM LOCATED ABOUT 375 MILES
SOUTH OF THE SOUTHERN CAPE VERDE ISLANDS...AND A TROPICAL
DEPRESSION COULD BE FORMING. IF CURRENT TRENDS CONTINUE...
ADVISORIES WILL LIKELY BE INITIATED LATER THIS MORNING.
THIS SYSTEM
HAS A HIGH CHANCE...NEAR 100 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES WESTWARD OR
WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT AROUND 15 MPH.

AN ELONGATED AREA OF LOW PRESSURE ASSOCIATED WITH THE REMNANTS OF
TROPICAL DEPRESSION TEN IS LOCATED ABOUT 800 MILES WEST-NORTHWEST
OF THE NORTHERN CAPE VERDE ISLANDS. THIS SYSTEM IS PRODUCING ONLY
INTERMITTENT SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY AND UPPER-LEVEL WINDS
ARE UNFAVORABLE FOR ANY SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT. THIS SYSTEM HAS A
LOW CHANCE...NEAR 0 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING
THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES NORTHWESTWARD AT 10 TO 15 MPH.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

PUBLIC ADVISORIES ON JOSE ARE ISSUED UNDER WMO HEADER WTNT31 KNHC
AND UNDER AWIPS HEADER MIATCPAT1. FORECAST/ADVISORIES ON JOSE ARE
ISSUED UNDER WMO HEADER WTNT21 KNHC AND UNDER AWIPS HEADER
MIATCMAT1.

$$
FORECASTER BRENNAN
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2434. DFWjc
Quoting AtHomeInTX:


I understand perfectly. Lol. Fingers crossed.


Yeah, for us we'll have to wait til Fri-Sun, which is fine with me....
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Quoting AtHomeInTX:


I understand perfectly. Lol. Fingers crossed.


yes, fingers crossed. :)
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Quoting DFWjc:


Even if for a day, I won't mind...rain, clouds, anything...


I understand perfectly. Lol. Fingers crossed.
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Quoting Orcasystems:


Like... long before Tractors even :)





GEEE HAAA
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Quoting rv1pop:
A couple day ago my daughter called me and asked if I was on my way to TX. I told her no and asked why. It was raining, the first rain they have had since we left in January! And it had not rained much before we got there in December, but it rained almost every day we were there. But I had washed my car - that usually brings rain, in fact it has rained twice since I washed it after abt 2 mos. with none. I pray you get a 3 day drizzle. That may be a Pacific NorthWest term. We do not get wet in a drizzle, but the ground does, and it soaks in so it does not get mirey.


Thank you. Any kind of drizzle would be welcomed. :)
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2429. DFWjc
Quoting AtHomeInTX:


Yep especially when paired with that discussion I just read. We'll see. Sigh. Still hard to believe there will actually be a change.


Even if for a day, I won't mind...rain, clouds, anything...
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Quoting TexasHurricane:


your on a roll.... :)


Lol. Just killing time til my brat gets here. She recently moved and has her first jury summons she has to
pick up for tomorrow morning. Nothing like the last minute. :)
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2427. rv1pop
Quoting AtHomeInTX:
This run looks pretty wet for TX. too. I know it's not exciting for the rest of the world lol. I'll stop being a broken record soon. I hope. :) Link
A couple day ago my daughter called me and asked if I was on my way to TX. I told her no and asked why. It was raining, the first rain they have had since we left in January! And it had not rained much before we got there in December, but it rained almost every day we were there. But I had washed my car - that usually brings rain, in fact it has rained twice since I washed it after abt 2 mos. with none. I pray you get a 3 day drizzle. That may be a Pacific NorthWest term. We do not get wet in a drizzle, but the ground does, and it soaks in so it does not get mirey.
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Quoting AtHomeInTX:


Yep especially when paired with that discussion I just read. We'll see. Sigh. Still hard to believe there will actually be a change.


Yeah, it sounds promising. but, I will believe it when I see it. :)
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Quoting katadman:


I hear you, AtHome. Today was the first time I can recall to actually be glad to be leaving my home state. It's been insufferable. It can't last forever.


It's been rough. Hope you come home to greener pastures. :)
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Quoting AtHomeInTX:
Now there's something that makes ya go hmmm. ;-)

GMZ089-290930-
SYNOPSIS FOR THE GULF OF MEXICO
1030 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2011

.SYNOPSIS... A WEAK STATIONARY FRONT FROM THE FLORIDA BIG BEND
TO 25N88W TO THE TEXAS LOUISIANA BORDER WILL GRADUALLY DISSIPATE
THROUGH MON NIGHT. AN AREA OF LOW PRES ALONG A TROUGH IS
EXPECTED TO DEVELOP IN THE SW GULF MON NIGHT THROUGH WED WHILE
AN ATLC RIDGE BUILDS WESTWARD ALONG THE FAR NORTHERN GULF. THE
RIDGE RETREATS THU AND FRI
WITH A WEAK PRES PATTERN LEFT FOR THE
END OF THE WEEK.

C'mon be weak, wet and come up here. :) Earlier the weakness was supposed to be in the TX/LA region. If it still is we might get a visitor with the retreating high.


your on a roll.... :)
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Quoting TexasHurricane:


hmmmm, interesting


Yep especially when paired with that discussion I just read. We'll see. Sigh. Still hard to believe there will actually be a change.
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Quoting AtHomeInTX:
This run looks pretty wet for TX. too. I know it's not exciting for the rest of the world lol. I'll stop being a broken record soon. I hope. :) Link


I hear you, AtHome. Today was the first time I can recall to actually be glad to be leaving my home state. It's been insufferable. It can't last forever.
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Now there's something that makes ya go hmmm. ;-)

GMZ089-290930-
SYNOPSIS FOR THE GULF OF MEXICO
1030 PM CDT SUN AUG 28 2011

.SYNOPSIS... A WEAK STATIONARY FRONT FROM THE FLORIDA BIG BEND
TO 25N88W TO THE TEXAS LOUISIANA BORDER WILL GRADUALLY DISSIPATE
THROUGH MON NIGHT. AN AREA OF LOW PRES ALONG A TROUGH IS
EXPECTED TO DEVELOP IN THE SW GULF MON NIGHT THROUGH WED WHILE
AN ATLC RIDGE BUILDS WESTWARD ALONG THE FAR NORTHERN GULF. THE
RIDGE RETREATS THU AND FRI
WITH A WEAK PRES PATTERN LEFT FOR THE
END OF THE WEEK.

C'mon be weak, wet and come up here. :) Earlier the weakness was supposed to be in the TX/LA region. If it still is we might get a visitor with the retreating high.
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Quoting AtHomeInTX:
First time in a while I've seen the cmc. Their 12z run has a pretty decent blob on SE TX. The rest of the run showed rain throughout. This run could be dry as a bone though. Lol. Haven't seen it yet.



hmmmm, interesting
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'Night all.
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This run looks pretty wet for TX. too. I know it's not exciting for the rest of the world lol. I'll stop being a broken record soon. I hope. :) Link
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First time in a while I've seen the cmc. Their 12z run has a pretty decent blob on SE TX. The rest of the run showed rain throughout. This run could be dry as a bone though. Lol. Haven't seen it yet.

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2415. DFWjc
Quoting EYEStoSEA:
Is that a little twirl I see south of PR...or am I just looking too hard :P



I asked the same thing about 4 hrs ago... (cricket noise)
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Quoting rv1pop:
I used to say that my kids were driving me nutz. But then the comment from them was that they could not do that.

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It was too short a walk!

Where are you in TX? My daughter is in CC.


Lol. I'm NE of her on the the LA. border.
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2413. rv1pop
Quoting AtHomeInTX:
Sigh. Daughter's drivin' me nuts on the phone. Anyway, I like this NOGAPS run for TX. Lots of precip. Hope it comes to be. :) Link
I used to say that my kids were driving me nutz. But then the comment from them was that they could not do that.

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It was too short a walk!

Where are you in TX? My daughter is in CC.
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2412. Gorty
How is 92L looking?
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Alright, I'm out as well. See you guys sometime tomorrow when I'm not too busy.

Night everyone.

In case you missed it, my blog update from earlier...

Irene is gone, focus turns to 92L
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2410. JRRP
NGP
a bit more west as well..
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good nite
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2409. rv1pop
Quoting Tazmanian:
hey look i was post 2400 what do i win
A lot of people may miss your post!
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Quoting Jefiner:


A nice, frosty gin martini?



lol
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Quoting EYEStoSEA:


thanks, you're right :) Thinks it's time for me to get some sleep....so goodnight all :)


Night!
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Sigh. Daughter's drivin' me nuts on the phone. Anyway, I like this NOGAPS run for TX. Lots of precip. Hope it comes to be. :) Link
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2405. Jefiner
Quoting Tazmanian:
hey look i was post 2400 what do i win


A nice, frosty gin martini?
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Quoting Floodman:


Fish storm is an unfortunate turn of phrase; anything that makes the trip from the Cape Verde is most likely to pass through the islands; last I checked there were damned few uninhabited islands in the Leewards and the Lesser Antilles...



ok
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Quoting Tazmanian:
it wont be a fish storm if it hits Bermuda


Fish storm is an unfortunate turn of phrase; anything that makes the trip from the Cape Verde is most likely to pass through the islands; last I checked there were damned few uninhabited islands in the Leewards and the Lesser Antilles...
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Quoting MississippiWx:


It's a swirl, but it's upper level in nature. It played a huge role in keeping Irene ventilated and helped her sustain such low barometric pressures.


thanks, you're right :) Thinks it's time for me to get some sleep....so goodnight all :)
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