Over 300 dead in historic tornado outbreak; one violent EF-5 tornado confirmed

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:20 PM GMT on April 29, 2011

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Rescuers sifting through the twisted wreckage of countless towns ravaged by Wednesday's historic tornado outbreak continue to uncover bodies today, and the death toll has swollen to over 300 this morning, and may be as high as 319. Hardest hit was Alabama, with at least 213 dead. Tennessee, Mississippi, Georgia, Arkansas, and Virginia are each reporting 11 - 34 deaths. NOAA's Storm Prediction Center logged 211 preliminary reports of tornadoes between 8am EDT Wednesday and 8am Thursday, and 346 reports for the full 4-day period of the outbreak, from April 25 - April 28. Twenty-two of these tornadoes were killer tornadoes; deaths occurred in six states. Damage surveys will take another week to complete, but preliminary surveys indicate that at least one of the tornadoes was an EF-5--the Smithville, Mississippi tornado, which hit at 3:44pm EDT on Wednesday. That tornado killed 13 people and destroyed 166 buildings, and reportedly sucked fire hydrants out of the ground. Some well-built modern 2-story homes that were bolted to their foundations were completely destroyed, leaving only the foundation. This type of damage is characteristic of an EF-5 tornado with 205 mph winds. The Smithville tornado is the first EF-5 tornado in Mississippi since the Candlestick Park tornado of March 3, 1966. Three other tornadoes from Wednesday's outbreak have been given preliminary EF-4 ratings, with winds of 166 - 200 mph. These include the Phil Campbell, AL tornado (26 deaths), the Ringgold, GA tornado (7 deaths), the Tanner, GA tornado (11 deaths), and the Apison, Tennessee tornado (13 deaths, and possibly the same tornado that hit Ringgold.) The violent tornado that ravaged Tuscaloosa and Birmingham, Alabama, killing at least 46 people and injuring 600, has not yet been given an official rating. I expect this tornado will be rated an EF-4 (possibly an EF-5.) This tornado is likely to be the most expensive tornado of all-time, and damage from the April 25 - 28 outbreak is likely rank as the most expensive tornado outbreak in history. The current record is the $3.5 billion price tag, in 2005 dollars, of the April 3 - 4, 1974 Super Outbreak . According wunderground's weather historian, Christopher C. Burt in his post The World's Deadliest Tornadoes, the death toll of 319 makes the April 25 - 28, 2011 tornado outbreak the fourth deadliest tornado outbreak in U.S. history, and the deadliest since 1936. It is the deadliest of the past 50 years, surpassing the April 3 - 4, 1974 Super Outbreak (315 killed) and the 1965 Palm Sunday tornado outbreak (256 killed.)


Figure 1. Still frame from an animation showing the height and extent of the rain columns associated with the thunderstorms that spawned Wednesday's tornadoes. This data, taken from NASA's TRMM satellite, showed that some of these violent storms reached incredible heights of almost 10.6 miles (17 km.) Image credit: NASA/SSAI, Hal Pierce

The 4-day total of preliminary tornado reports of 346 from this outbreak is close to the 323 preliminary tornado reports logged during the massive April 14 - 16 tornado outbreak. That outbreak has 155 confirmed tornadoes so far, making it the largest April tornado outbreak on record, and 3rd largest in history. The numbers from this week's outbreak may be even higher, giving April 2011 the 3rd and 4th largest tornado outbreaks in history, and the deadliest outbreak in 75 years. According to a list of tornado outbreaks maintained by Wikipedia, only two other tornado outbreaks have had as many as 150 twisters--the May 2004 outbreak (385), and the May 2003 outbreak (401).


Figure 2. Storm chaser video from Reed Timmer and tornadovideos.net of four tornadoes that hit Alabama and Mississippi on Wednesday.


Figure 3. Storm chaser video of the tornado that moved through Philadelphia, Mississippi on Wednesday.

Unprecedented flooding predicted on Ohio and Mississippi Rivers
This week's storm system, in combination with heavy rains earlier this month, have pushed the Ohio River and Mississippi River to near-record levels near their confluence. The Ohio River at Cairo, Illinois is expected to crest at 60.5 feet on May 1. This would exceed 100-year flood stage, and be the highest flood in history, besting the 59.5' mark of 1937. Heavy rains of 10 - 15 inches have inundated the region over the past week. Additional rains of 1 - 3 inches are expected over the next five days.


Figure 4. Rainfall for the 7-day period ending at 8am EDT Thursday, April 28, 2011. Image credit: NOAA/AHPS.

Record 100+ year flood expected on Mississippi River
Snow melt from this winter's record snow pack across the Upper Mississippi River has formed a pulse of flood waters that is moving downstream. When this floodwater pulse moves south of Cairo, Illinois over the next two weeks, it will join with the record water flow coming out of the Ohio River, and create the highest flood heights ever recorded on the Mississippi, according to the latest forecasts from the National Weather Service. Along a 400-mile stretch of the Mississippi, from Cairo to Natchez, Mississippi the Mississippi is expected to experience the highest flood heights since records began 100 or more years ago, at 5 of the 10 gauges on the river along this stretch. The records are predicted to begin to fall on May 3 at New Madrid, and progress downstream to Natchez by May 20. Areas that are not protected by levees can expect extensive damage from the flooding, and it is possible that the Army Corps of Engineers will have to intentionally dynamite levees at Birds Point and New Madrid, Missouri to protect the town of Cairo from flooding. One unofficial estimate I saw on the Army Corps of Engineers web site put the cost of intentionally breaching the levees at Birds Point and New Madrid at $100 million dollars, due to damage to the croplands and structures in the flooded area. No levee has failed on the Lower Mississippi south of the Ohio River junction since 1950, and the Army Corp of Engineers has designed the levee system to contain a 500-year flood. This means that the Mississippi River flood of 2011--which will be somewhere between a 100-year and 200-year flood between Cairo and Natchez--is not likely to be a multi-billion-dollar disaster like the 1993 flood on the Upper Mississippi, where many levees failed.

The Mississippi River at New Madrid, MO, about 40 miles downstream of the confluence of the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers, is currently at 44.9', the 2nd highest flood in history. The river is predicted to crest on Tuesday very near the all-time record height of 48 feet. The NWS warns that at this height, "Large amounts of property damage can be expected. Evacuation of many homes and businesses becomes necessary." Previous record heights at this location:

(1) 48.00 ft on 02/03/1937
(2) 44.60 ft on 04/09/1913
(3) 43.60 ft on 04/04/1975
(4) 43.50 ft on 02/16/1950
(5) 42.94 ft on 03/17/1997

The timing of the floods crests will depend upon a complex mix a factors, including how much rain falls over the next month, the possible influence of southerly winds holding up the floodwater pulses, the potential opening of flood control structures and reduction of flows from flood control reservoirs, and potential levee failures. The Mississippi River is expected to crest at 17 feet at New Orleans on May 22, three feet below the top of the levees. This would likely require opening of the Bonnet Carre Spillway 28 miles upstream from New Orleans, to relieve pressure on the city's levees. Opening the spillway drains 250,000 cubic feet per second of flow into Lake Pontchartrain.

Helping out tornado victims
For those who want to lend a helping hand to those impacted by the widespread destruction this month's severe weather has brought, stop by the portlight.org blog.

Related post: Are tornadoes getting stronger and more frequent? The answer is--we don't know.

Jeff Masters

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978. hcubed
2:12 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting BahaHurican:
From that map, the MO area that is supposed to be flooded by the COE move is part of the natural flood plain of the Mississippi.... I'm not saying it's not bad what they're doing... I'm just saying it's only because of the COE that those farmers are able to live and farm on that land on a regular basis in the first place. It sure would make life a lot easier further upstream if they could just let that land be flooded every time the water gets high....

It's just another comment in the lines of "why do you live there if you know it floods / gets hit by tornadoes / has earthquakes / is a hurricane magnet" and so on.... you gotta live somewhere, right?

If I had to choose, I'd breach on both sides... then everybody would be mad at COE and be neighbourly in their angst.... :o) [aka wisdom of Solomon].


And if I lived downstream, I'd sue the people that are trying to keep that levee intact.

If the COE determined that that section would protect downstream areas, why should a small group of individuals decide if thir small amout of land was more important that the thousands of properties than can be saved?
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977. IKE
1:32 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
NEW BLOG!
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976. ILwthrfan
1:20 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
2011




2010



The Gulf of Mexico is going to be boiling hot this season.
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975. Jedkins01
1:11 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting kwgirl:
Ice storm, frozen over.


Nope, the last ice age was a while ago, man is causing global warming, and man must also then be causing hell warming.
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974. Jedkins01
1:07 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting BobinTampa:


Thanks. But I meant the Hell that Usama is heading to. :o)



There is a chance of firestorms each afternoon. Chance of a firestorm is 90%. Highs near 1000 and lows near 900 each day, accept higher temperatures near firestorms.

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973. jeffs713
1:03 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting BobinTampa:
Good morning all. Does anyone have the latest forecast for Hell?

Monday:
Hot, with highs around 130F, and lows around 129F. Zero chance of rain, 72 virgins missing.
Tuesday:
Hot, with highs around 130F, and lows around 129F. Zero chance of rain, 72 virgins missing.
Wednesday through eternity:
Hot, with highs around 130F, and lows around 129F. Zero chance of rain, 72 virgins missing.
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972. kwgirl
12:57 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting BobinTampa:
Good morning all. Does anyone have the latest forecast for Hell?
Ice storm, frozen over.
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971. BobinTampa
12:54 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting beell:


Hell, Michigan Forecast/Wunderground.com


Thanks. But I meant the Hell that Usama is heading to. :o)
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970. beell
12:50 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting BobinTampa:
Good morning all. Does anyone have the latest forecast for Hell?


Hell, Michigan Forecast/Wunderground.com
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969. Chicklit
12:48 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
Tuesday, April 26, 2011
Rain Below Average In Hendry-Glades

16 Florida Counties Record Lowest Rain Totals In 80 Years

CLEWISTON, FL. -- The South Florida Water Management District says the District's 16-county region experienced the driest October-to-February period since recordkeeping began nearly 80 years ago. While regional rainfall for March was average, April's rainfall has so far been less than half of the historical average.

Long-term forecasts call for extreme dry conditions through the rest of the annual dry season.

from Southwest Florida ONline


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968. KeysieLife
12:47 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting BobinTampa:
Good morning all. Does anyone have the latest forecast for Hell?

I heard it was expected to be quite nice...compared to Texas! =)
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967. Chicklit
12:43 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
This is sad.
No rain for another week here in East Central Florida.
nothing nada
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966. BobinTampa
12:43 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
Good morning all. Does anyone have the latest forecast for Hell?
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965. KeysieLife
12:38 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting Gearsts:

La Nina still seems to have a firm grasp on the Pacific. Is the trend going to continue for a while or will it be converting to neutral soon? TIA
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964. beell
12:36 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
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963. Gearsts
12:27 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
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962. DDR
12:21 PM GMT on May 02, 2011
Picked up just over an inch of rain this morning from the surface trough over the windward islands.
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960. IKE
11:29 AM GMT on May 02, 2011

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959. presslord
10:59 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting IKE:

Explosives loaded for Birds Point Levee breach.

Bird's Point is an unincorporated community in Mississippi County, Missouri, United States. It lies on an island or former island in the Mississippi River near the confluence of the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers is situated directly across the Mississippi River from Cairo, Illinois. This is the point where the U.S. Highway 60 bridge connects up with Wickliffe, Kentucky.



ah....my bad...
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958. IKE
10:57 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting presslord:


Who is ' Bird's Point'?

Explosives loaded for Birds Point Levee breach.

Bird's Point is an unincorporated community in Mississippi County, Missouri, United States. It lies on an island or former island in the Mississippi River near the confluence of the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers is situated directly across the Mississippi River from Cairo, Illinois. This is the point where the U.S. Highway 60 bridge connects up with Wickliffe, Kentucky.
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957. presslord
10:54 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting aquak9:
to any and all- if the decision is made to blow bird's point, will someone please wu-mail me?

can't imagine we'll make it past the next 7 days without that decision being made, one way or another

TYIA


Who is ' Bird's Point'?
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956. IKE
10:35 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
One less evil person exists on the planet...check.

Job well done!
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955. aquak9
10:34 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
to any and all- if the decision is made to blow bird's point, will someone please wu-mail me?

can't imagine we'll make it past the next 7 days without that decision being made, one way or another

TYIA
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954. Neapolitan
10:17 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
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953. FlyingScotsman
10:09 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Flooding situation on the Ohio and Misssissippi this morning is setting up to be even more critical than previously feared. This heavy precip is taking dead-aim on the worst-hit regions:



Already causing a spike to a new crest on the Mississippi:



and looks like it will push the Ohio even higher than previously projected:
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952. aquak9
10:09 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
My, my, my.
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951. Neapolitan
10:09 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
It's an update, yes, but the Birmingham NWS office announced it in a banner headline at 1:30AM, so it is indeed something new and noteworthy. (Any tornado can be upgraded or downgraded even years after it happens, though for now the Tuscaloosa tornado is confirmed as an EF4.)

Click here to see the banner while it's still up

But, no, they don't rewrite each update from the ground up. That'd be a waste... ;-)
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950. BahaHurican
9:59 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Morning, all.

Nea, that looks like pretty much the same info they've been putting out about that particular tornado since, say, Friday? You would have to look back at some of the older statements to be sure. However, I think each update has been cumulative, that is, inclusive of all previous data, just with additions and changes added in.

I need to check when I get to work. Right now, gotta head out in a couple...
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949. Neapolitan
9:35 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting TomTaylor:
Anybody know if the Tuscaloosa tornado has been rated yet?

Just about the time you asked the question, the NWS announced that it was an EF4, though they leave open the option to upgrade after further investigation (previously they'd been saying "EVENT TYPE: AT LEAST EF-4)":

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BIRMINGHAM AL
120 AM CDT MON MAY 2 2011

TORNADO 8...TUSCALOOSA/BIRMINGHAM (GREENE/TUSCALOOSA/JEFFERSON
COUNTIES)

PRELIMINARY DATA...
EVENT DATE: APRIL 27, 2011
EVENT TYPE: EF-4
ESTIMATED PEAK WINDS (MPH): UP TO 190
INJURIES/FATALITIES: OVER 1000 INJURIES/AT LEAST 65 FATALITIES.
EVENT START LOCATION AND TIME: 33.0297/-87.935 AT 443 PM
EVENT END LOCATION AND TIME: 33.6311/-86.7436 AT 614 PM
DAMAGE PATH LENGTH (IN MILES): APPROXIMATELY 80.3 MILES
DAMAGE WIDTH: 1.5 MILES CROSSING I-65.
NOTE: MORE DETAILS ON THIS SURVEY TO COME.

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS HAVE SURVEYED THE MASSIVE
DAMAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS LONG TRACK VIOLENT TORNADO...BY GROUND
AND AIR. THE START POINT IS BASED ON AERIAL SURVEY...WHILE THE END
LOCATION WAS DETERMINED BY A GROUND CREW. DETAILED DAMAGE INSPECTION
HAS REVEALED A MAXIMUM OF EF-4 DAMAGE FROM EAST OF HOLT...NEAR
CONCORD...AND THE PLEASANT GROVE AREAS. CASUALTY INFORMATION IS
BASED ON THE LATEST OFFICIAL RELEASES FROM THE ALABAMA EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT AGENCY. THIS TORNADO WAS PRODUCED BY A SUPERCELL
THUNDERSTORM THAT BEGAN IN NEWTON COUNTY MISSISSIPPI AT 254 PM
CDT...FINALLY DISSIPATING IN MACON COUNTY NORTH CAROLINA AT
APPROXIMATELY 1018 PM CDT. SO...THIS SUPERCELL EXISTED FOR ABOUT 7
HOURS AND 24 MINUTES...TRAVELING APPROXIMATELY 380 MILES PRODUCING
SEVERAL STRONG TO VIOLENT TORNADOES ALONG THE WAY. ADDITIONAL
EVALUATION OF THE DAMAGE IN TUSCALOOSA AND JEFFERSON COUNTY WILL
CONTINUE TODAY TO DETERMINE IF THE RATING NEEDS TO BE INCREASED.

MORE DETAIL ON THE SURVEY RESULTS WILL BE UPDATED WHEN THEY BECOME
AVAILABLE.
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948. aspectre
8:11 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
And our top story tonight : Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
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947. Quadrantid
6:40 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting weatherbro:
first it was the capturing of Iraq's tyrant(who was friends with Ben Ladan). Now we've captured the second supporter of terrorism. Now we need to get the leader!!!

America is getting closer to ending this war(congrats to Obama and Bush even though I disagree with both)!!!


The worry is whether the ends will truly lead to an end/cessation to the threat.

For every American killed (as in 9/11, and other events), hatred and intolerance grows, and the desire to strike back elsewhere increases. I know in the UK the ongoing troubles have lead to a huge increase in racially motivated violence, particularly agains Muslims, and a groundswell in support of the far-right... particularly since 7/7, and this has allowed the government to pass some quite strict legislation restricting civil liberties. I understand it's the same in the US, even more so. Haven't been out here in Australia long enough to comment, but there certainly seems to be a strong anti-Muslim undercurrent here, particularly from the political right...

At the same time as that, for every Iraqi, Pakistani, of Afghan civilian killed, hatred and intolerance for the west will be growing - and those deaths can be used by those in power to stoke the flames and push through their own laws that diminish civil liberties... well, you get the picture. And if I remember right, there was a report about a year ago that said approximately 100,000 Iraqis have died since the second invasion as a direct result of the UK and US led attack? While I believe it came from an organisation strongly opposed to the war, if we even assume it's an over-estimate by a factor of 100, that's still 1,000 families with what they perceive as good reason to hate the west just as much as those affected by 9/11 and 7/7 hate...

All that the ongoing violence does is create more violence. As a Brit, who grew up with the troubles in Northern Ireland going on, the link between violence from once side and violence from the other is crystal clear. Each time one side did something, more people on the other side were alienated and driven to their own extreme acts.

Interestingly, the end to the Northern Ireland troubles was, in part, aided by the tragic events of 9/11. One of the main sources of funds and weapons for the IRA were wealthly Americans who were supporting the "freedom fighters". Once they saw first hands the true effects of terrorism, the funds and guns dried up, which had noticable effect on the levels of sectarian crime in Northern Ireland.

Anyways, this isn't meant as a flame, or to detract from the joy people are feeling at the news - frankly, I think it's a shame the guy couldn't be captured and tried for his crimes, but I worry that the lengths people have gone to to get revenge for the horrors that were perpertrated have just made the problem far worse :(

Oh, and Weatherbro, I believe I'm right in thinking that both Saddam and Bin Laden were trained by the west, and even armed by them at times - Saddam because Iraq were viewed as less a threat than Iran, and Bin Laden because he was fighting against the Taliban? I might be wrong, though...

Edited to fix typos and clarify
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946. weatherbro
6:28 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
first it was the capturing of Iraq's tyrant(who was friends with Ben Ladan). Now we've captured the second supporter of terrorism. Now we need to get the leader!!!

America is getting closer to ending this war(congrats to Obama and Bush even though I disagree with both)!!!
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945. xcool
6:27 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
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944. FlyingScotsman
6:15 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting Xyrus2000:


The war on terror will never end. It's not supposed to. It's like the war on drugs, only drugs are a real tangible item. Terrorism is subjective, heavily biased by which side you happen to be on. It also happens to be quite profitable for many businesses.

So no, in the grand scheme of things killing bin Laden is, at best, a hollow victory. This may satisfy the hunger for vengeance, but vengeance creates more vengeance. As others have noted, this may only escalate the threat of retaliatory strikes.


Thanks. First sensible response I've seen to this news yet.
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943. pipelines
5:46 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting TomTaylor:
Anybody know if the Tuscaloosa tornado has been rated yet?


It has not been rated, they only rated the damage in Pleasant Grove as EF4.
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942. Tazmanian
5:43 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting TomTaylor:
Anybody know if the Tuscaloosa tornado has been rated yet?



yes it been rated a EF4 for now
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941. Patrap
5:38 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
David Bowie & Mick Jagger - Dancing In The Street
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940. TomTaylor
5:38 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Anybody know if the Tuscaloosa tornado has been rated yet?
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939. CyclonicVoyage
5:30 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting BahaHurican:
LOL @ beell... I watched the president on the internet.... whitehouse.gov live-streamed it.... lol

I don't watch FoxNews.... but was curious how they handled the post announcement commentary....

Somebody here said they didn't hear Prez. Obama mention anything about the "war on terror" in his address. That is an interesting observation.





Secrecy man, it's key. The media wild bores are making it more important than ever to keep a damn secret. Who cares how & when, the mission has been accomplished.

After the speech, did you know who did it and when it happened? That's a good damn secret and lending to counter terrorism as these animals were probably scouring every inch of the speech. Some stuff is best left unknown.
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938. TomTaylor
5:26 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting Xyrus2000:


The war on terror will never end. It's not supposed to. It's like the war on drugs, only drugs are a real tangible item. Terrorism is subjective, heavily biased by which side you happen to be on. It also happens to be quite profitable for many businesses.

So no, in the grand scheme of things killing bin Laden is, at best, a hollow victory. This may satisfy the hunger for vengeance, but vengeance creates more vengeance. As others have noted, this may only escalate the threat of retaliatory strikes.
Very true, good post +1
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937. pipelines
5:23 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
What taz said reminds me of a point I wanted to make awhile back but forgot. I call into question the authenticity of the F5 count of the 1974 outbreak. Just about every EF5/F5 I've heard of in modern times has been a fairly long track tornado, yet 5/6 of the F5s reported are fairly short tracked from that outbreak. Not to mention, 3/6 of the F5s obviously came from the same cell once you look at the outbreak map.



For reference the F5 cells are 37, 40, 43, 47, 96, 101
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936. BahaHurican
5:22 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting Tazmanian:



you mean too tell me that it was all one nado



that sucks
Well, maybe not... if it was, it's a definite tri-stater.... and a sure runner-up for longest-lived EF-5....
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935. BahaHurican
5:20 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Anyway, I gotta get out early in the a.m. .... trying a new gym routine [we'll see how THAT works.... lol]

Have a good night, all!
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934. Tazmanian
5:19 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting BahaHurican:
But this is what I been saying all along, Taz. They will prolly do a double check to be sure the Smithville tornado is actually not the same as the Hackleburg one.... either way that was one powerful storm cell....



you mean too tell me that it was all one nado



that sucks
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933. BahaHurican
5:19 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
LOL @ beell... I watched the president on the internet.... whitehouse.gov live-streamed it.... lol

I don't watch FoxNews.... but was curious how they handled the post announcement commentary....

Quoting sunlinepr:

True... Exactly just like the war on drugs... We have to be prepared for what may come in our near future.....

Somebody here said they didn't hear Prez. Obama mention anything about the "war on terror" in his address. That is an interesting observation.

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932. BahaHurican
5:13 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting Tazmanian:
well this kind of sucks


Wikipedia put it all togeter


but the Hackleburg, Phil Campbell, Hillsboro, Trinity, Tanner, Madison areas where all EF5


66+ deaths –Thousands of hardwood and softwood trees were snapped, some hundreds of structures completely destroyed, mobile homes' "mangled frames tossed at least 25 to 50 yards," well-constructed houses destroyed. At least three churches, ten chicken houses, and three restaurants, and a Wrangler plant were completely destroyed. Hackleburg High School was completely destroyed. A car was wrapped around a de-barked tree in Phil Campbell.[6][7][8] The NWS has rated it an EF5 with winds up to 210 MPH.[9][10]
Further information: April 25–28, 2011 tornado outbreak#Hackleburg tornado and the section on this tornado.



if Wikipedia did not add them all togeter then we would have 6 EF5 then 2 EF5
But this is what I been saying all along, Taz. They will prolly do a double check to be sure the Smithville tornado is actually not the same as the Hackleburg one.... either way that was one powerful storm cell....
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931. sunlinepr
4:55 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
Quoting Xyrus2000:


The war on terror will never end. It's not supposed to. It's like the war on drugs, only drugs are a real tangible item. Terrorism is subjective, heavily biased by which side you happen to be on. It also happens to be quite profitable for many businesses.

So no, in the grand scheme of things killing bin Laden is, at best, a hollow victory. This may satisfy the hunger for vengeance, but vengeance creates more vengeance. As others have noted, this may only escalate the threat of retaliatory strikes.

True... Exactly just like the war on drugs... We have to be prepared for what may come in our near future.....

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930. beell
4:51 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
924. BahaHurican 4:41 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
I love Fox News.... lol


I don't watch TV. Made the mistake of going to Mother-in-Law's room to catch the President.
It was on FOX...Geraldo is not my idea of a newsman...

I don't watch TV...I get all my news off the internet, LOL!
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928. Tazmanian
4:49 AM GMT on May 02, 2011
well this kind of sucks


Wikipedia put it all togeter


but the Hackleburg, Phil Campbell, Hillsboro, Trinity, Tanner, Madison areas where all EF5


66+ deaths –Thousands of hardwood and softwood trees were snapped, some hundreds of structures completely destroyed, mobile homes' "mangled frames tossed at least 25 to 50 yards," well-constructed houses destroyed. At least three churches, ten chicken houses, and three restaurants, and a Wrangler plant were completely destroyed. Hackleburg High School was completely destroyed. A car was wrapped around a de-barked tree in Phil Campbell.[6][7][8] The NWS has rated it an EF5 with winds up to 210 MPH.[9][10]
Further information: April 25–28, 2011 tornado outbreak#Hackleburg tornado and the section on this tornado.



if Wikipedia did not add them all togeter then we would have 6 EF5 then 2 EF5
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