The global tropical cyclone season of 2010: record inactivity

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:14 AM GMT on April 03, 2011

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The year 2010 was one of the strangest on record globally for tropical cyclones. Each year, the globe has about 92 tropical cyclones--called hurricanes in the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific, typhoons in the Western Pacific, and tropical cyclones in the Southern Hemisphere. But in 2010, we had just 68 of these storms--the fewest since the dawn of the satellite era in 1970. The previous record slowest year was 1977, when 69 tropical cyclones occurred world-wide. Both the Western Pacific and Eastern Pacific had their quietest seasons on record in 2010, the Atlantic had its 3rd busiest season since record keeping began in 1851, and the Southern Hemisphere had a below average season. As a result, the Atlantic, which ordinarily accounts for just 13% of global cyclone activity, accounted for 28% in 2010--the greatest proportion since accurate tropical cyclone records began in the 1970s. Global Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) for 2010 was the lowest since the late 1970s (ACE is a measure of the total destructive power of a hurricane season, based on the number of days strong winds are observed.)


Figure 1. Visible satellite image of 2010's strongest tropical cyclone: Super Typhoon Megi at 2:25 UTC October 18, 2010. A reconnaissance aircraft measured a central pressure of 885 mb and surface winds of 190 mph in the storm, making Megi the 8th strongest tropical cyclone in world history. Image credit: NASA.

A record quiet 2010 Northwest Pacific Typhoon Season
The Western Pacific set records for fewest number of named storms (fifteen, previous record seventeen in 1998) and typhoons (nine, tied with the previous record of nine in 1998. Note that Tropical Storm Mindulle was upgraded to a typhoon in post-analysis after the season was over.) Reliable records began in the mid-1960s. For just the second year in history, the Atlantic had more named storms and hurricane-strength storms than the Western Pacific. The only other year this occurred was in 2005. Ordinarily, the Western Pacific has double to triple the amount of tropical cyclones of the Atlantic. One other notable feature of the 2010 season was the lack of a land-falling typhoon on the Japanese mainland. This is only the second such occurrence since 1988.

In 2010, there was only one super typhoon--a storm with at least 150 mph winds--in the Western Pacific. However, this storm, Super Typhoon Megi, was a doozy. Megi's sustained winds cranked up to a fearsome 190 mph and its central pressure bottomed out at 885 mb on October 16, making it the 8th most intense tropical cyclone in world history. Fortunately, Megi weakened significantly before hitting the Philippines as a Category 3 typhoon. Megi killed 69 people on Taiwan and in the Philippines and did $700 million in damage, and was the second deadliest and damaging typhoon of 2010. Category 3 Typhoon Fanapi was the deadliest and most damaging typhoon of 2010, doing over $1 billion in damage to Taiwan and China and killing 105.

The record quiet typhoon season in 2010 was due, in part, to the La Niña phenomena. During such events, the formation region for Western Pacific typhoons moves northwestward, closer to China. Thus, storms that form in the Western Pacific spend less time over water before they encounter land, resulting in a lesser chance to become a named storm, and less time to intensify. They also accumulate a lower ACE due to their shorter duration. Since the Western Pacific is responsible for 35% of the world's major tropical cyclones, the global ACE value is strongly tied to year-to-year variations in the El Niño/La Niña cycle.


Figure 2.
Statistics for the global tropical cyclone season of 2010. The two numbers in each box represent the actual number observed in 2010, followed by the averages from the period 1983-2007 (in parentheses). Averages and records were computed using the December 23, 2008 release of NOAA's International Best Track Archive for Climate Stewardship.

A record quiet 2010 Eastern Pacific Typhoon Season
In the Eastern Pacific, it was also a record-quiet season. On average, the Eastern Pacific has 15 named storms, 8 hurricanes, and 3 intense hurricanes in a season. In 2010, there were 8 named storms, 3 hurricanes, and 2 intense hurricanes. The previous record quietest season since 1966 was the year 1977, when the Eastern Pacific had 8 named storms, 4 hurricanes, and zero intense hurricanes. La Niña was largely responsible for the quiet Eastern Pacific hurricane season, due in part to the cool sea surface temperatures it brought. It is quite remarkable that both the Eastern and Western Pacific ocean basins had record quiet seasons in the same year--there is no historical precedent for such an occurrence.

Climate change and the 2008 global tropical cyclone season
We only have about 30 years of reliable global tropical cyclone data, and tropical cyclones are subject to large natural variations in numbers and intensities. Thus, it will be very difficult at present to prove that climate change is affecting global tropical cyclone activity. (This is less so in the Atlantic, where we have a longer reliable data record to work with.) A common theme of many recent publications on the future of tropical cyclones globally in a warming climate is that the total number of these storms will decrease, but the strongest storms will get stronger. For example, a 2010 review paper published in Nature Geosciences concluded: "greenhouse warming will cause the globally averaged intensity of tropical cyclones to shift towards stronger storms, with intensity increases of 2 - 11% by 2100. Existing modeling studies also consistently project decreases in the globally averaged frequency of tropical cyclones, by 6 - 34%. Balanced against this, higher resolution modeling studies typically project substantial increases in the frequency of the most intense cyclones, and increases of the order of 20% in the precipitation rate within 100 km of the storm centre." Last year, I discussed a paper by Bender et al that concluded that the total number of Atlantic hurricanes is expected to decrease by the end of the century, but there could be an increase of 81% in the number of Category 4 and 5 storms. The net effect of a decrease in total number of hurricanes but an increase in the strongest hurricanes should cause an increase in U.S. hurricane damages of about 30% by the end of the century, the authors computed, assuming that hurricane damages behave as they did during the past century. A new paper just published by Murakami et. al predicts that Western Pacific tropical cyclones may decrease in number by 23% by the end of the century, primarily due to a shift in the formation location and tracks of these storms.

In light of these theoretical results, it is interesting that 2010 saw the lowest number of global tropical cyclones on record, but an average number of very strong Category 4 and 5 storms. Fully 21% of last year's tropical cyclones reached Category 4 or 5 strength, versus just 14% during the period 1983 - 2007. Most notably, in 2010 we had the second strongest tropical cyclone on record in the Arabian Sea (Category 4 Cyclone Phet in June) and the strongest tropical cyclone ever to hit Myanmar/Burma (October's Tropical Cyclone Giri, an upper end Category 4 storm with 155 mph winds.) It is too early to read anything into this year's global tropical cyclone numbers, though--we need many more years of data before making any judgments on how global tropical cyclones might be responding to climate change.


Figure 3. Visible satellite image of Tropical Cyclone Phet on Thursday, June 3, 2010. Record heat over southern Asia in May helped heat up the Arabian Sea to 2°C above normal, and the exceptionally warm SSTs helped fuel Tropical Cyclone Phet into the second strongest tropical cyclone ever recorded in the Arabian Sea. Phet peaked at Category 4 strength with 145 mph winds. Only Category 5 Cyclone Gonu of 2007, which devastated Oman, was a stronger Arabian Sea cyclone. Phet killed 44 people and did $700 million in damage to Oman.


Figure 4. Visible MODIS satellite image of Tropical Cyclone Giri taken at 2:55am EDT October 22, 2010, just prior to landfall in Myanmar/Burma. At the time, Giri was a Category 4 storm with 145 mph winds. Giri killed 157 people and did $359 million in damage. Image credit: NASA.

Jeff Masters

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One interesting note about the whole public education debate today:

I was considering, a while back, to become a teacher. I love teaching (adults and kids), and genuinely want to help others. I chose not to for several reasons:

1. The pay, for the amount of work you put in, sucks.
2. I have no interest in being a tax-funded babysitter. Parents frequently see school as a babysitter, and won't let teachers TEACH.
3. In Texas, its more important to get kids to score well on a test (that grades a teacher's success) than it is to actually prepare them for the thing called the "real world".
4. Job security is nil.
5. The process of becoming a teacher is long and arduous, and basically assumes that you will not work the last year of your schooling... all for the points listed in 1-4.

As a secondary note, due to the declining nature of public education, my wife and I have decided that if/when we have kids, we are not going to put them through public school. We would much rather pay a BUNCH of money to put our kids through private school, where their education is not mandated by a state-boondoggled test, and they actually LEARN.

In TX, kids who go through private school score higher on the SAT and ACT. Its not because their parents tend to be more wealthy. Its because their parents tend to care more, and they get a better education.
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Yep, we'd be doing high speed rail and alternative energy projects right now. Instead, we're firing state employees and drug testing anyone we can get our hands on. Take one guess who owns the drug testing companies. Conflict of interest at it's finest. I wouldn't expect anything less from Mr. Medicare Fraud. The hypocrisy is absolutely stunning. His 7 steps to 700k jobs is really off to a terrible start.


He's making news everyday in Florida for all the wrong reasons.
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1463. aquak9
Another 5.5 offa Honshu, Japan.

This makes three at 5.0 or greater, within the last 12 hours.
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Quoting BobinTampa:


absolute Straw Man argument. Nobody is claiming teachers are rich. The point is that they have good benefits, decent salary, a lot of off time, and a good pension plan. They are better off than 80 percent of the 9-5ers.

When I hear someone bitching about contributing 5% to their own pension plan, I get a bit ticked off.

What I would like to see is the really good teachers get ticked off because they make the same as the average and below average teachers. If your a teacher with 10 years experience and really put in a A+ effort, and I'm a teacher with 10 years experience who puts in a D effort, we make the same money.

That is what should piss teachers off. Not a 5% contribution to their own retirement.


All the little nuggets you rattled off are often repeated by for-profit education seekers.

Teachers used to have it better than many of the 9-5er's but over the years the perks or being a teacher have slowly dwindled. First off, salaries are low so I would hope teachers would have some perks to make up for it. The off time argument is fading fast. Teachers used to get 3 months off during summer and most of the month of December around Christmas. Now it's about 2 months during the summer and 2 weeks around Christmas. I don't know ONE teacher that is a 9-5er. My parents team teach 2nd grade and they are 6-6ers. They get to work around 6am and don't get home until about 6pm. They work their asses off.

Contrary to what anti-public education people want us to think, bad teachers are not hard to get rid of and they aren't the biggest issue. Principals can get rid of bad teachers anytime they want but many don't want to go thru the hassle involved with doing it. Lazy principals are a problem in that area. The administrative structure needs to be reformed as well. Eliminating some of the unnecessary positions in school board administration would allow the hiring of more teachers.

I think teachers deserve a good pension plan after putting in years of hard work, don't you? What ticks me off ALOT are people like you who feed in with the anti-teacher sentiment because you believe what you hear in 30 second sound bites by a bunch of jerks who want nothing more than to break public education so they can privatize it. God forbid any potential income stream is allowed to go untapped. Straw man argument my ass.
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There may not be a whole lot of weather in the U.S. to talk about today, but space weather is kicking up in the Arctic.


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Quoting hydrus:
Who ever said money is the root of all evil should have looked into politics...They might reconsider handing the title over...Mornin Jeff.
Mornin Hydrus!

Actually... no need to hand the title over. Money is still the root of all evil, since money is, at its core, the basis politics is based upon. Let me explain.

In today's world, money = power.
Power is personified in today's politics. A politically successful person has lots of power.
To gain that power, they use money.
So to be successful in politics, you use lots of money to gain lots of power. And money equals power.
If politics are evil.. this means that...

Politics = evil
Politics = power
power = money

Therefore
money = evil.

And there is your proof!
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Quoting jeffs713:

People didn't like the alternatives at all, and the smear campaign was in full gear a year before the election even happened. To many people, you had a choice between junk, trash, and poo when voting.
Who ever said money is the root of all evil should have looked into politics...They might reconsider handing the title over...Mornin Jeff.
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1457. Jax82
Quoting jeffs713:
We have dozens of "goals" as a group, and our voice is about as coherent as someone walking through the concourse of a major NFL stadium at halftime.


I like that analogy! But I try to walk through Everbank field concourse right before halftime ;) I hate waiting in line.

And a nice day to do just about anything outside.

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I have tracked something for many years. My College Professor was very emphatic that one should track Copper as the world turns on Copper. The demand of Copper will tell you the Economic ups and Downs. Now some 30 years later this is still very true. I am certainly not an economist. But, one can see how Copper has been for the past year!


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FORT COLLINS - In its 28th year of issuing predictions, the Colorado State University forecast team today predicted an above-average 2011 Atlantic basin hurricane season. The team slightly reduced its early December prediction, but still called for an active season based on current La Nina conditions that are expected to transition to near-neutral conditions during the heart of the hurricane season.

The CSU team now calls for 16 named storms instead of 17 forming in the Atlantic basin between June 1 and Nov. 30. Nine of those are expected to turn into hurricanes with five developing into major hurricanes (Saffir/Simpson category 3-4-5) with sustained winds of 111 mph or greater.

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Quoting RitaEvac:
Some of the teachers in Texas voted for Rick Perry again! so it's like what the hell is wrong with you people...

People didn't like the alternatives at all, and the smear campaign was in full gear a year before the election even happened. To many people, you had a choice between junk, trash, and poo when voting.
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Quoting RastaSteve:


Well Said! My wife is a teacher and she works day and night. She teaches 3rd grade which is very important because that is when the take FCAT. Her scores always come back with her kids at the top and some of these kids come into 3rd grade with very low scores and she has to work her but off to get those scores to high levels at the end of the year. BobinTampa has no clue about education obivously. My wife and i bot have a master's degree and they even want to take start not honoring the extra pay for having a Master's degree. it's a shame what's going on in this state.


missed this earlier. I have no clue about education?? that doesn't even make any sense.

Let me ask this? What is wrong with your wife having to work to get the kids' scores up? Isn't that her job?

And if you read my other post, I'd be in favor of your wife make MORE than those who don't work their butt off. Why isn't that fair? Why is EVERYTHING an attack on ALL teachers??

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Quoting RitaEvac:


You'd have to realize where we came from, and where our roots are, we know what the problems are in the middle class, and doon't let the elite corrupt our way of thinking because they want us on their side
Very true. The only caveat I put to that is based on the winnings, our pressing concerns will not be about typical middle-class things like the mortgage payment, job security, the price of gas, or hoping that your AC doesn't croak on Memorial Day weekend.
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Then he says thanks for the votes, now I'm cutting your jobs
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1449. Skyepony (Mod)
Here's the plume..today & tomorrow.



& the day after tomorrow..
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Some of the teachers in Texas voted for Rick Perry again! so it's like what the hell is wrong with you people...
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Quoting cat5hurricane:

Afterall, he did state earlier (I believe post 1419) that him and Neapolitan are usually on the same page.

Ummm...Ya think??!!

LMAO


Neop. did not respond yet so, i'm not sure and i have great doubt yet......LOL
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Quoting RastaSteve:


Well Said! My wife is a teacher and she works day and night. She teaches 3rd grade which is very important because that is when the take FCAT. Her scores always come back with her kids at the top and some of these kids come into 3rd grade with very low scores and she has to work her but off to get those scores to high levels at the end of the year. BobinTampa has no clue about education obivously. My wife and i bot have a master's degree and they even want to take start not honoring the extra pay for having a Master's degree. it's a shame what's going on in this state.


Yes, but we have alot of people who vote against their own best interests in the worst way. When people begin to pull head out of ass and vote for people who want to HELP them instead of trying to squeeze every last penny out of their time in office, we'll be much better off. That applies to many states, not just Florida.
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The Gulf is warming up, but that's because of Spring!
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We really need something in Weather to talk about, but nothing is really out there.

I got several family members that are educators. Both of my girls are going to school as educators. One graduates from College this spring....:)which i am so proud of her for choosing what she loves and wants to do as well. I too could be teaching with my degree but, choose another route. I love teaching when in a class room, at church, in group meetings, or on a Baseball field where your not not educating the young about throwing and hitting!
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Quoting jeffs713:
And with the mega millions winnings, we would no longer be part of the middle class.


You'd have to realize where we came from, and where our roots are, we know what the problems are in the middle class, and doon't let the elite corrupt our way of thinking because they want us on their side
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Quoting RitaEvac:
The government needs to be broken down into 3 categories,

1. Typical Rich
2. Middle Class
3. Poor

Instead of having Republican and Democrats that are basicly number 1, we need 3 representatives. That way the middle and poor has a damn voice!


What next? Free slaves and give women the right to vote?
That will hurt business.

You think people would choose between liberty and comfort? Like someone would risk liberty with their own life. Patrick Henry, well.... he was just kidding... yea that's the ticket. Don't worry, the wealthy will take care of it. They feel your pain. Don't worry.
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Quoting caneswatch:


Walkin' Lawton, get him back from the dead! He was the best for Florida.

While that would never happen, I would have been much happier with Ms. Alex Sink.


Yep, we'd be doing high speed rail and alternative energy projects right now. Instead, we're firing state employees and drug testing anyone we can get our hands on. Take one guess who owns the drug testing companies. Conflict of interest at it's finest. I wouldn't expect anything less from Mr. Medicare Fraud. The hypocrisy is absolutely stunning. His 7 steps to 700k jobs is really off to a terrible start.
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Quoting jeffs713:
Its not about satisfying one group over another. Its about not completely screwing over the middle class. If you break all the politics down to their core, either the wealthy get the greatest benefits (at the expense of the middle class and poor), or the poor get the greatest benefits at the expense of the wealthy and middle class. The middle class, by far the largest demographic group in the country, is generally the least represented as many of the people in that group are busy working on day-to-day concerns, rather than political issues. Also, the middle class doesn't have one common goal, or one common voice. We have dozens of "goals" as a group, and our voice is about as coherent as someone walking through the concourse of a major NFL stadium at halftime.


Right on Brother! The middle class is always the group that is getting screwed!
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Both my parents are teachers. My Mom has been since I was born. I know all about teacher salaries. I missed the Ferrari for my graduation present. I guess Mom was hoarding the millions on me.


absolute Straw Man argument. Nobody is claiming teachers are rich. The point is that they have good benefits, decent salary, a lot of off time, and a good pension plan. They are better off than 80 percent of the 9-5ers.

When I hear someone bitching about contributing 5% to their own pension plan, I get a bit ticked off.

What I would like to see is the really good teachers get ticked off because they make the same as the average and below average teachers. If your a teacher with 10 years experience and really put in a A+ effort, and I'm a teacher with 10 years experience who puts in a D effort, we make the same money.

That is what should piss teachers off. Not a 5% contribution to their own retirement.
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Quoting TampaSpin:


Your so correct. The things that the US use to indicate inflation is so different in the rest of the World. Who do you think is correct? I know what i think!

IMO, inflation should be a 3- or 6-month moving average. That would smooth out weekly/monthly volatility, while including those "volatile" goods that devour an increasingly large percentage of our income. Economists are looking at the situation with a purely mathematical and statistical perspective, which tends to eliminate actually understanding what is happening in the world around them.
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Quoting RitaEvac:


Yep, you and I would have to win the mega millions to have the money and time
And with the mega millions winnings, we would no longer be part of the middle class.
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Quoting jeffs713:

The government's accounting of inflation is based upon "non-volatile" products, which specifically does not count fuel or food. Basically, inflation is judged on durable goods, and durable goods only. As services are abstract and statistically not comparable from month-to-month due to their dynamic nature, the government's inflation measure is basically junk on any scale less than 5 years or so.


Your so correct. The things that the US use to indicate inflation is so different in the rest of the World. Who do you think is correct? I know what i think!
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Quoting biff4ugo:
Like the rain volume we are getting but these storms are powerful!

Teachers in my state do NOT get great salaries. I love to teach and don't because of the money. Get REAL! Nobody goes into teaching for the sweet money.
When you average in all the hours grading papers, teacher meetings outside of the workday, researching lessons, and classroom maintenance, it is NOT 30 hours a week.
How many people with the education and qualification to teach have flooded the school boards with resume applications? Yeah, they are turning folks away in droves... NOT.
Sub for a week, then make uninformed posts like those.

The mandatory 5% contribution is a 5% salary cut. Pure and simple.


Both my parents are teachers. My Mom has been since I was born. I know all about teacher salaries. I missed the Ferrari for my graduation present. I guess Mom was hoarding the millions on me.
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Quoting BobinTampa:


I figured 9 hours a day to come up with the 30 hour figure. Do the math. Also, I have subbed before. Nobody said teachers are in it for the money. What I will say is that teachers don't have it as bad as they like to imply.

I have to pay for 100% of my retirment. Would you do the same?
9 hours per day, 5 days per week = 45 hours. Considering that doesn't count time spent at home grading or doing lesson plans, lets conservatively say its 50-55 hours per week. Now, there are approximately 190 days in the school year, which equals 38 weeks. Tossing in a couple of weeks before the school year involved in getting ready for classes, and 2 weeks' worth of miscellaneous days (such as teacher inservice days), you get 42 weeks. Based on the current estimated salary in TX for a starting teacher of $45,000 annually, that comes out to a whopping $1071 per week. Or, using that 50-hour workweek listed above, $21.42 an hour. Oh, and teachers contribute to social security, but (at least in Texas), CANNOT get social security benefits. of any kind.

For comparison, firefighters pull in anywhere from $50k to $60k. An RN will pull $55k or more. A University professor will pull north of $60k if at a 4-year college.

For the responsibility teachers have, they are grossly underpaid.
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Quoting Neapolitan:

He's thinking that if he can force a school voucher system on people, he can help for-profit school corporations prosper, while simultaneously having taxpayer money support religious education. He's thinking that by closing down emergency rooms and Fire/rescue operations, he can steer people toward the health clinics that he still owns to the tune of $60 million (oh, wait: he transferred their ownership to his wife when taking office, as Florida is one of only three states that allow such shenanigans). He's thinking that he can strip environmental policies, defund any service that help the less fortunate, and provide even more tax breaks to corporations, all in the name of "job creation" (but which are nothing more than pretty shallow attempts to enrich the rich and screw the middle- and lower classes).

That about sums it up, I think.


I didn't vote for Voldimort so don't blame me!
And BTW, quit reminding me who our governor is right now. I just ate breakfast!
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correction, at 9 hours per day it comes to 34 hours per week if you spread it out to a 52-week work year.

196 X 9 hours a day/52 weeks.

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Quoting jeffs713:

We are. We just aren't talking the right language. (I'm not talking about the political cause du jour, the "Tea Party", either). Right now, the language in politics is money. The middle class, as we have been collectively "done over" for the past few decades, don't have the financial clout to give that money to causes that would do the most good. And the only people who can change that are the ones currently getting the money from the wealthy and corporations. Last time I checked, most sensible human beings, when they are getting financial assistance from an entity, they are not very likely to cut off that assistance voluntarily. Something about not biting the hand that feeds you.

I know I'm just putting up problems, and not much in the way of solutions, but I'm not a Poli Sci major, either.


He (and she) who works is too busy working to make rules.


Yep, you and I would have to win the mega millions to have the money and time
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Quoting biff4ugo:
Like the rain volume we are getting but these storms are powerful!

Teachers in my state do NOT get great salaries. I love to teach and don't because of the money. Get REAL! Nobody goes into teaching for the sweet money.
When you average in all the hours grading papers, teacher meetings outside of the workday, researching lessons, and classroom maintenance, it is NOT 30 hours a week.
How many people with the education and qualification to teach have flooded the school boards with resume applications? Yeah, they are turning folks away in droves... NOT.
Sub for a week, then make uninformed posts like those.

The mandatory 5% contribution is a 5% salary cut. Pure and simple.


I figured 9 hours a day to come up with the 30 hour figure. Do the math. Also, I have subbed before. Nobody said teachers are in it for the money. What I will say is that teachers don't have it as bad as they like to imply.

I have to pay for 100% of my retirment. Would you do the same?
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Quoting RitaEvac:
The people have to anti-up

We are. We just aren't talking the right language. (I'm not talking about the political cause du jour, the "Tea Party", either). Right now, the language in politics is money. The middle class, as we have been collectively "done over" for the past few decades, don't have the financial clout to give that money to causes that would do the most good. And the only people who can change that are the ones currently getting the money from the wealthy and corporations. Last time I checked, most sensible human beings, when they are getting financial assistance from an entity, they are not very likely to cut off that assistance voluntarily. Something about not biting the hand that feeds you.

I know I'm just putting up problems, and not much in the way of solutions, but I'm not a Poli Sci major, either.

Quoting RitaEvac:
He who works shall make the rules

He (and she) who works is too busy working to make rules.
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He who works shall make the rules
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The people have to anti-up
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Quoting RitaEvac:
The government needs to be broken down into 3 categories,

1. Typical Rich
2. Middle Class
3. Poor

Instead of having Republican and Democrats that are basicly number 1, we need 3 representatives. That way the middle and poor has a damn voice!

If only it were that easy. Remember, he who has the gold makes the rules.
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The government needs to be broken down into 3 categories,

1. Typical Rich
2. Middle Class
3. Poor

Instead of having Republican and Democrats that are basicly number 1, we need 3 representatives. That way the middle and poor has a damn voice!
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Quoting cat5hurricane:

I sure hope you're listening to this Neapolitan.

This guy has a good head on his shoulders.

Hehe, thank you!

Nea and I are usually on the same page (or at least the same chapter).

Also, while we are on the topic, its not even about taxes. Its a volatile issue, don't get me wrong. But contrary to what some (extremist) sides of the debate will have you believe, raising taxes is not an entirely BAD thing, if those taxes are not wasteful. Ask 10 people that are part of the middle class if they want to pass the national debt, as it currently stands (something north of $45,000 PER PERSON), onto their children. 9 out of 10 of them will say something along the lines of "heck no". Ask those same 10 people if they would be agreeable to increased taxes if those extra funds are to ONLY pay off the debt, and a majority will agree to it.

Now, ask those same 10 people if those taxes can also be used to buy $300 toilet seats or fund tax cuts for different demographic groups, and one person might give their assent.

What I'm trying to say is that to get a coherent voice from the middle class, its all about how you phrase it, and the context its used in.
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