The global tropical cyclone season of 2010: record inactivity

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:14 AM GMT on April 03, 2011

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The year 2010 was one of the strangest on record globally for tropical cyclones. Each year, the globe has about 92 tropical cyclones--called hurricanes in the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific, typhoons in the Western Pacific, and tropical cyclones in the Southern Hemisphere. But in 2010, we had just 68 of these storms--the fewest since the dawn of the satellite era in 1970. The previous record slowest year was 1977, when 69 tropical cyclones occurred world-wide. Both the Western Pacific and Eastern Pacific had their quietest seasons on record in 2010, the Atlantic had its 3rd busiest season since record keeping began in 1851, and the Southern Hemisphere had a below average season. As a result, the Atlantic, which ordinarily accounts for just 13% of global cyclone activity, accounted for 28% in 2010--the greatest proportion since accurate tropical cyclone records began in the 1970s. Global Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) for 2010 was the lowest since the late 1970s (ACE is a measure of the total destructive power of a hurricane season, based on the number of days strong winds are observed.)


Figure 1. Visible satellite image of 2010's strongest tropical cyclone: Super Typhoon Megi at 2:25 UTC October 18, 2010. A reconnaissance aircraft measured a central pressure of 885 mb and surface winds of 190 mph in the storm, making Megi the 8th strongest tropical cyclone in world history. Image credit: NASA.

A record quiet 2010 Northwest Pacific Typhoon Season
The Western Pacific set records for fewest number of named storms (fifteen, previous record seventeen in 1998) and typhoons (nine, tied with the previous record of nine in 1998. Note that Tropical Storm Mindulle was upgraded to a typhoon in post-analysis after the season was over.) Reliable records began in the mid-1960s. For just the second year in history, the Atlantic had more named storms and hurricane-strength storms than the Western Pacific. The only other year this occurred was in 2005. Ordinarily, the Western Pacific has double to triple the amount of tropical cyclones of the Atlantic. One other notable feature of the 2010 season was the lack of a land-falling typhoon on the Japanese mainland. This is only the second such occurrence since 1988.

In 2010, there was only one super typhoon--a storm with at least 150 mph winds--in the Western Pacific. However, this storm, Super Typhoon Megi, was a doozy. Megi's sustained winds cranked up to a fearsome 190 mph and its central pressure bottomed out at 885 mb on October 16, making it the 8th most intense tropical cyclone in world history. Fortunately, Megi weakened significantly before hitting the Philippines as a Category 3 typhoon. Megi killed 69 people on Taiwan and in the Philippines and did $700 million in damage, and was the second deadliest and damaging typhoon of 2010. Category 3 Typhoon Fanapi was the deadliest and most damaging typhoon of 2010, doing over $1 billion in damage to Taiwan and China and killing 105.

The record quiet typhoon season in 2010 was due, in part, to the La Niña phenomena. During such events, the formation region for Western Pacific typhoons moves northwestward, closer to China. Thus, storms that form in the Western Pacific spend less time over water before they encounter land, resulting in a lesser chance to become a named storm, and less time to intensify. They also accumulate a lower ACE due to their shorter duration. Since the Western Pacific is responsible for 35% of the world's major tropical cyclones, the global ACE value is strongly tied to year-to-year variations in the El Niño/La Niña cycle.


Figure 2.
Statistics for the global tropical cyclone season of 2010. The two numbers in each box represent the actual number observed in 2010, followed by the averages from the period 1983-2007 (in parentheses). Averages and records were computed using the December 23, 2008 release of NOAA's International Best Track Archive for Climate Stewardship.

A record quiet 2010 Eastern Pacific Typhoon Season
In the Eastern Pacific, it was also a record-quiet season. On average, the Eastern Pacific has 15 named storms, 8 hurricanes, and 3 intense hurricanes in a season. In 2010, there were 8 named storms, 3 hurricanes, and 2 intense hurricanes. The previous record quietest season since 1966 was the year 1977, when the Eastern Pacific had 8 named storms, 4 hurricanes, and zero intense hurricanes. La Niña was largely responsible for the quiet Eastern Pacific hurricane season, due in part to the cool sea surface temperatures it brought. It is quite remarkable that both the Eastern and Western Pacific ocean basins had record quiet seasons in the same year--there is no historical precedent for such an occurrence.

Climate change and the 2008 global tropical cyclone season
We only have about 30 years of reliable global tropical cyclone data, and tropical cyclones are subject to large natural variations in numbers and intensities. Thus, it will be very difficult at present to prove that climate change is affecting global tropical cyclone activity. (This is less so in the Atlantic, where we have a longer reliable data record to work with.) A common theme of many recent publications on the future of tropical cyclones globally in a warming climate is that the total number of these storms will decrease, but the strongest storms will get stronger. For example, a 2010 review paper published in Nature Geosciences concluded: "greenhouse warming will cause the globally averaged intensity of tropical cyclones to shift towards stronger storms, with intensity increases of 2 - 11% by 2100. Existing modeling studies also consistently project decreases in the globally averaged frequency of tropical cyclones, by 6 - 34%. Balanced against this, higher resolution modeling studies typically project substantial increases in the frequency of the most intense cyclones, and increases of the order of 20% in the precipitation rate within 100 km of the storm centre." Last year, I discussed a paper by Bender et al that concluded that the total number of Atlantic hurricanes is expected to decrease by the end of the century, but there could be an increase of 81% in the number of Category 4 and 5 storms. The net effect of a decrease in total number of hurricanes but an increase in the strongest hurricanes should cause an increase in U.S. hurricane damages of about 30% by the end of the century, the authors computed, assuming that hurricane damages behave as they did during the past century. A new paper just published by Murakami et. al predicts that Western Pacific tropical cyclones may decrease in number by 23% by the end of the century, primarily due to a shift in the formation location and tracks of these storms.

In light of these theoretical results, it is interesting that 2010 saw the lowest number of global tropical cyclones on record, but an average number of very strong Category 4 and 5 storms. Fully 21% of last year's tropical cyclones reached Category 4 or 5 strength, versus just 14% during the period 1983 - 2007. Most notably, in 2010 we had the second strongest tropical cyclone on record in the Arabian Sea (Category 4 Cyclone Phet in June) and the strongest tropical cyclone ever to hit Myanmar/Burma (October's Tropical Cyclone Giri, an upper end Category 4 storm with 155 mph winds.) It is too early to read anything into this year's global tropical cyclone numbers, though--we need many more years of data before making any judgments on how global tropical cyclones might be responding to climate change.


Figure 3. Visible satellite image of Tropical Cyclone Phet on Thursday, June 3, 2010. Record heat over southern Asia in May helped heat up the Arabian Sea to 2°C above normal, and the exceptionally warm SSTs helped fuel Tropical Cyclone Phet into the second strongest tropical cyclone ever recorded in the Arabian Sea. Phet peaked at Category 4 strength with 145 mph winds. Only Category 5 Cyclone Gonu of 2007, which devastated Oman, was a stronger Arabian Sea cyclone. Phet killed 44 people and did $700 million in damage to Oman.


Figure 4. Visible MODIS satellite image of Tropical Cyclone Giri taken at 2:55am EDT October 22, 2010, just prior to landfall in Myanmar/Burma. At the time, Giri was a Category 4 storm with 145 mph winds. Giri killed 157 people and did $359 million in damage. Image credit: NASA.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting hydrus:
Lol...I wouldnt mind having a lil of the tax money back..Especially if gas gets more expensive...Good afternoon Chicklit..

hi hydrus just goofing off and now have to get back to work. Anyway that front is naaasstty!!! Good thing it will slam into the Blue Ridge Mountains.
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668. xcool
No No to el Nino ( till 2012)



I was going to write something about the dreaded back door front and how while it may be 90 at the masters this weekend it may snow in the I-90 corridor in the northeast but then Joe D Aleo sent me this:

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/set tled-science-masters-vs-masters-vs-hansen-vs-noaa/

knowing it would wave a red flag in front of me and off I go.

The amazing thing is that the high priests of high temps keep claiming co2 is the cause, then admit its not because of the obvious relationship of the enso to global temps! Its simple to see that when the nino comes on, the earth warms, the nina comes on its cool. I dont understand why they can not, through simple deducation, understand that the warm PDO ( 1978 to 2007) leads to a warming of the globe, especially when there is part of that time the amo is warm) and the cooling will follow when the PDO turns colder, as it is now? In addition we have to remember that alot of these folks ( NOT Dr. Jeff Masters who is trying to nail the forecast here though he does see different from me on AGW) but some of the non meteorologists in the field, simply dont understand that its tough to sustain a warm enso in a cold PDO. And that the cold Enso is much more likely. Actually they WILL NOT SEE IT because it means they were wrong about the eternal warmth, the feedback, everything. More preposterous is the supposition that a trace gas needed for life on the planet, a very minor weight in the atmosphere as it is, would influence the ocean, which is far more important in total energy contribution to the planet than the atmosphere, or anything we are putting into the atmosphere. Do the math good friend.. take the weight of the ocean and atmosphere together and the energy implications of the gas and
the liquid and then stack co2 against it. The only rout bigger than that is a wrestling match between me and Cael Sanderson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cael_Sanderson

not much of a chance either way.

But again, arent you admitting that the first leg of my triple crown of cooling ( oceanic cycles) is the main driver.

Lets just look at this folks. First the Multivariate enso index, which is
Wolters baby, shows the warmth from the late 70s till recently




Warm PDO, ( then AMO) what do you think the result is. But look there is more! At 600 mb, which is a good measuring point for the troposphere we are near record cold, the most recent coldest in 2008 and way the heck under where we were. The blue line is last year, the red this year, the yellow 08 , the orange average the purple is the record low:


In this case, the red line is 08, the yellow last year, and you can see we are in the middle of the pack, biased low. But the amazing thing about the nino forecast is THE PROOF OF MY POINT THAT IT IS THE OCEANS, since we can see the warmth that developed as the nino roared on last year, and the cool that has responded this year to the cooling. What is interesting is how close we have been to 2008 at 600mb, when we are a bit less cool in the ocean. So here is what you have to believe.. Yes it is the oceans but their actions are being caused by a trace gas essential for life on the planet.

If you believe that, then when I go into wrestling practice later today, perhaps this is my day to end the 159-0 Gold medalists domination.

I dont think so.

Now perhaps the NOAA model, which was forecasting a minor warming event a couple of weeks ago is still doing so. Two years ago, I had the nino called in Feb and predicted the non hurricane season. Last year again in Feb with the NINA, 18 STORMS, HOT SUMMER I dont see the hot summer this in the n plains and lakes, I see less storms, more US impact but most importantly to this post, I dont see an el nino. neutral cool, yes like 08, but I dont see the nino and I am not a model worshiper. The models are agreeing with me, because I said so before. There is no physical reason, in a cold PDO, to forecast a rapid return of enso warm conditions. Increased volcanic actions in the tropics could play a role, but that along with the sun are wild cards. And by the way, I have already been out publicly saying that the return of a weak to perhaps moderate warm event in 12-13 could lead to winters, because of solar and seismic considerations, that could rival the late 70s. So its not like I dont see the chance of the warm enso, its just not coming now.

The CFS, the reactionary model, which I call it since it reacts after most should see what is going on, is colder with the bulk of the recent runs colder than the means ( recent runs in blue)

but they show this is backing off, but no nino.

Let me again be clear. Dr Masters has a site that has done well because he is good at what he does, so its Michigan vs PSU, met on met, honest disagreement ( I have no PHD in meteo though, just a Bachelors. But though I disagree with Dr Masters on AGW, this is an honest forecast disagreement. I do think Dr. Hansen, an outstanding astronomer, is
forecasting this like a couple of the others without looking at the same thing Jeff and I are looking at.. Jeff’s ideas seem measured and taking into account things I see, but I have the other reasons listed. Hiding behind
all this though its the admission that the enso drives global temps, and the implication for AGW has to then be that co2 emissions are causing the
large scale cyclical changes in the ocean, which I just do not believe can be true, given what I know about gasses, liquids, and the fact that temps are a measure of energy and the composition and density of the measured gas or liquid increases as the amount of water vapor increases, or in the case of the oceans, a saturated body! But there is no malice intended here.

Actually it gives me hope that I can walk into that wrestling room at PSU and go after Cael

by joe b

going here http://www.weatherbell.com/jb/?category_name=blog_ home_page
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Quoting atmoaggie:

I don't think you know me as well as you think. Find an example, any example, of myself cheering any behemoth of a corporation and any disregard for the laws that protect life and welfare of people or environment.

In general, corporations serve a purpose and provide opportunity for that middle class guy to make a living, if regulated correctly and only up to a point. Teddy Roosevelt is my hero and I am the first to hope for anti-trust suits when Exxonmobil, texacoshellchevron, at&bellbellbellcingularbellbellbelltmobil come to exist. Disgusting that we have returned to the good ol days...and in the very same industries.

I thought it equally repulsive when the champions of the to too big to fail mantra were the same that bash the big corporations at every turn.

I don't know what you think, nor will I hazard a guess.


Well then I stand corrected. Your position seems more moderate than I had previously thought before this post and I agree with you mostly.

I just want a level playing field and right now the playing field is HEAVILY tilted toward corporations.
That is realism, not extremism.
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Quoting Chicklit:


GE didn't pay any taxes in 2010 by the way which is less than you and I paid.
Lol...I wouldnt mind having a lil of the tax money back..Especially if gas gets more expensive...Good afternoon Chicklit..
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Quoting atmoaggie:
Really?
GREAT!

unless he can prove it wrong...which won't happen. so yes its over for now until someone else brings it up.
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That is quite the front! Just picked a spot in the line: Nashville.
TORNADO WARNING

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NASHVILLE TN
219 PM CDT MON APR 4 2011

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NASHVILLE HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
EASTERN DAVIDSON COUNTY IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE...
SOUTHERN SUMNER COUNTY IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE...
TROUSDALE COUNTY IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE...
WILSON COUNTY IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE...

* UNTIL 245 PM CDT

* AT 214 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO. THIS DANGEROUS
STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR LAKEWOOD...OR 5 MILES NORTHEAST OF LP
FIELD...AND MOVING EAST AT 65 MPH.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
GALLATIN...LEBANON...HARTSVILLE...GREEN HILL...HENDERSONVILLE...
MOUNT JULIET...BELINDA CITY AND WATERTOWN.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW. MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A
STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A MOBILE HOME...A VEHICLE OR
OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND PROTECT
YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.

&&

LAT...LON 3644 8613 3643 8606 3637 8605 3634 8610
3629 8613 3597 8601 3598 8608 3597 8610
3602 8637 3604 8638 3610 8650 3605 8656
3608 8672 3630 8679 3646 8616
TIME...MOT...LOC 1918Z 239DEG 56KT 3623 8661

$$

BOYD

I don't get how a tornado can survive in those mountains. Anybody know? Will it just slam into one and stop?

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Quoting TomTaylor:
game over.
Really?
GREAT!
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game over.
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Quoting twincomanche:
I must. This gets so tiresome and silly.


That is why I agree with everybody. One lives longer.
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Quoting RMCF:

same to you

oh i got mine



proof earth is warming:


proof co2 causes warming and causes more warming with greater concentrations:


proof co2 levels are increasing:
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I heard Bastardi was doing WWF gigs these days...
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Quoting RMCF:
climate change is a myth the next 10 years will debunk the theories these bias scientist have been putting out. just ask Bastardi. has our world gone through ice ages and hot times yes but is it man made they have failed to make their case to me at least. So i find it neglect that some people act like it is the gospel that our world is changing and it is our fault.
Let me know when you find some proof or evidence. Maybe then people will actually listen to you
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652. RMCF
climate change is a myth the next 10 years will debunk the theories these bias scientist have been putting out. just ask Bastardi. has our world gone through ice ages and hot times yes but is it man made they have failed to make their case to me at least. So i find it neglect that some people act like it is the gospel that our world is changing and it is our fault.
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Quoting 1900hurricane:
The storms completely missed us here in College Station, TX, despite having a 60% chance from the NWS and being in a Severe Thunderstorm Watch. Since the beginning of October, we have had only 6.00 inches of rain. That's an average of only an inch per month! I have a feeling that D4 conditions may start showing up soon...



I feel your pain, 19.
Plenty cape... but no rain.
:)
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Been wondering about the speculations earlier today about a line/boundary that looked like a t-storms collapse. I sure couldn't pick out it on the WVL that was posted. I looked back at SPC MCDs and watch discussions and ended up wondering if the LLJ/cold front interface in the vicinity and illustrated in MCD 341 might have had something to do with it.

Click for MCD 341 discussion


Any thoughts, severe weather gurus?
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looks scary around Nashville.. Tornado warnings clustering around the whole metropolitan area... yikes!
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Quoting kwgirl:
I have decided to stop flying. And I think it would be a great idea to get everyone in the country to boycott flying for one day. Surely we could all get together and not plan a flight on one day so the airliners stay on the ground. But you know what would happen. The airlines would discount that day and voila, the seats would be filled. Human Nature :)


There aint nobody gonna be flying as long as these fuel prices keep going up, were on the brink of hitting $4 a gallon gas, and that is the pivitol point where people begin to shut it down and drive less, fly less, go anywhere, and BOOM, your stupid economy and everything takes a hit
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Quoting hydrus:
Inconvenience.?..I wonder whats going on... It is getting really bad.

Maybe their funding was cut.
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Finally got enough rotation for the spinners to get going.

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Quoting atmoaggie:
Speaking on multiple subjects at hand...none too pleased at ContinentalUntied, either.

I'm not terribly pleased either, since I liked Continental. United was my second choice for airlines, but their service is a step down from Continental's, but definitely a step up from AA and Delta. Their networks meshed together well (United has more of a focus on East/West routes, while Continental is more North/South). I don't like how they are consistently more expensive now, and I have to connect more often to get anywhere now. (I live 20 minutes from IAH in Houston... which is Continental's HQ - I'm not used to connecting to get to ANY major airport)

That said... Continental had to find someone, or they would not have survived in the current industry environment. United was in the same boat, and it was either Continental, or US Airways... and US Airways would have faced a LOT of regulatory hurdles.
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Quoting hydrus:
This is a great post.


GE didn't pay any taxes in 2010 by the way which is less than you and I paid.
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Quoting misanthrope:

Sorry, I hadn't seen the revisionist version. Thanks for the update.

Cannot fathom where you got your bad info from. Sorry about that.

And, I simply don't care enough about your opinion to fabricate anything. Not to mention that I don't have the memory to tell lies. (See: Mark Twain).

But, hey, enough about me. You'll have to save it until Doc pens a blog about atmoaggie.
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Quoting jeffs713:

As odd as this sounds, this is one reason why I don't like southwest.

Yes, they get cheap airfare. And thats about all they get.

Inconvenient/small/congested airports, no international flights, no assigned seats.

I see Southwest as a big reason why the airlines went to the ala carte route, with fees for everything. They didn't have the foresight to pre-purchase fuel (their own fault for not doing so), so they have more overhead. With more overhead, you have to find ways to generate new revenue. If you can't raise airfare because of one stubborn airline, you turn to nickel and diming everyone to death.

Of course, now that the cat is out of the bag, the nickel and diming - and Southwest's stubborn attitude - is here to stay.
I have decided to stop flying. And I think it would be a great idea to get everyone in the country to boycott flying for one day. Surely we could all get together and not plan a flight on one day so the airliners stay on the ground. But you know what would happen. The airlines would discount that day and voila, the seats would be filled. Human Nature :)
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Hello, Mr. Wilson.
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Quoting twincomanche:
I am reminded of the old one about "There was a fight and a hockey game broke out."

Is this a weather blog?


You being ornery again?
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Quoting atmoaggie:
? You have it so very wrong, it's almost funny.

I worked with a few dozen homeowners against ins cos. and few other cases that were business against business.

Apparently no one here knows each other as well as they think they do.


Some do! Just dropped in. Who's winning today's argument?
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Quoting jeffs713:
625.

If a corporation "sides with the little guy" all the time... they go out of business. If a corporation goes against the little guy all the time, if the little guy has a voice... they go out of business.

I think your post was a tad bit close to a personal (and out-of-context) attack.
Speaking of multiple subjects at hand...none too pleased at ContinentalUntied, either.
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Quoting atmoaggie:
? You have it so very wrong, it's almost funny.

I worked with a few dozen homeowners against ins cos. and few other cases that were business against business.

Apparently no one here knows each other as well as they think they do.

Sorry, I hadn't seen the revisionist version. Thanks for the update.

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Quoting alfabob:
I'm surprised discussion about the nuclear accident has pretty much disappeared. Radiation is being detected around the world, while even our milk supply is beginning to show contamination with I-131 (which first must make it through a cow from the atmosphere). Considering that the isotopes they are testing for decay quickly and are in less quantities to begin with, we have a serious problem here. Where are the plutonium, curium and americium readings and why are they using such a poor tracer isotope? The lying and deceit continues..

I haven't stopped talking about it, though some have moved on to the next big thing--Charlie Sheen, Rebecca Black, baseball season getting underway, whatever.

The fact of the matter is, what's happening at Fukushima is BAD. Four reactors--count them, four--in or near or beyond meltdown. Millions of gallons of radioactive seawater intentionally dumped into the ocean today as there's nowhere to hold it on site, and that in addition to countless gallons before it. High levels of radiation being released into the air and ground. More than 600 square kilometers of land around the plant irradiated and evacuated, with the Japanese government suggesting an additional 900 square miles outside that stay vacated, while the U.S. government "suggests" that a total of 10,000 square kilometers be off-limits for years, or decades, or centuries. Workers being exposed to radiation well beyond lethal limits. Crews receiving a year's worth of "normal" radiation in just minutes. Radiation from cesium-137 in Iitate, 40 kilometers northwest of the plant, at more than twice the levels seen near Chernobyl. Radioactive drinking water in every part of Tokyo. The fact that Chernobyl had a total of 180 metric tons of fresh and spent nuclear fuel on-site, while Fukushima has nearly ten times as much (1760 metric tons). The fact that reactor #2's fuel will remain carcinogenic and mutatagenic for a quarter of a million years. (One of the truly horrifying things about radiation: it kills with silent patience; it's in no hurry.)

So, yeah, I'm still talking about it. And I will, so long as the best they can come up with there is diapers, newspapers, and sawdust. That's what you put in a cat's litter box to absorb urine--not what the brightest nuclear minds in the world should be using to stop what will certainly go down as the worst nuclear accident ever.

At least up to now.
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Quoting misanthrope:

How about you working with the insurance companies to help them deny policy holder claims after Katrina? Not really siding with the little guy, were you?

? You have it so very wrong, it's almost funny.

I worked with a few dozen homeowners against ins cos. and few other cases that were business against business.

Apparently no one here knows each other as well as they think they do.
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Quoting misanthrope:

How about you working with the insurance companies to help them deny policy holder claims after Katrina? Not really siding with the little guy, were you?


Yep. Good ole communists...
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625.

If a corporation "sides with the little guy" all the time... they go out of business. If a corporation goes against the little guy all the time, if the little guy has a voice... they go out of business.
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Quoting Chicklit:
someone said over the weekend the GOM is warmer than it was in 05 and last year at this time.
is this correct?


Yep.

The MDR is a bit cooler but not by a lot.

The SSTs have held up surprisingly well out there considering we're coming off a La Nina. Much better than in a certain recent season when we had the 16 named storms and two category 4 hurricanes bearing down on the Gulf Coast (they would weaken significantly before landfall, but they were still a force).
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Quoting atmoaggie:
They tried a week or so ago. SouthWest didn't budge, so the other big carriers gave it up.

As odd as this sounds, this is one reason why I don't like southwest.

Yes, they get cheap airfare. And thats about all they get.

Inconvenient/small/congested airports, no international flights, no assigned seats.

I see Southwest as a big reason why the airlines went to the ala carte route, with fees for everything. They didn't have the foresight to pre-purchase fuel (their own fault for not doing so), so they have more overhead. With more overhead, you have to find ways to generate new revenue. If you can't raise airfare because of one stubborn airline, you turn to nickel and diming everyone to death.

Of course, now that the cat is out of the bag, the nickel and diming - and Southwest's stubborn attitude - is here to stay.
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Quoting atmoaggie:

I don't think you know me as well as you think. Find an example, any example, of myself cheering any behemoth of a corporation and any disregard for the laws that protect life and welfare of people or environment.

In general, corporations serve a purpose and provide opportunity for that middle class guy to make a living, if regulated correctly and only up to a point. Teddy Roosevelt is my hero and I am the first to hope for anti-trust suits when Exxonmobil, texacoshellchevron, at&bellbellbellcingularbellbellbelltmobil come to exist. Disgusting that we have returned to the good ol days...and in the very same industries.

I thought it equally repulsive when the champions of the to too big to fail mantra were the same that bash the big corporations at every turn.

I don't know what you think, nor will I hazard a guess.

How about you working with the insurance companies to help them deny policy holder claims after Katrina? Not really siding with the little guy, were you?

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Quoting twincomanche:
Inflammatory post was wrong. Way way too broad a brush.
I was complimenting HurricaneJunky,s post.
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Quoting twincomanche:
It's not that at all it's his nasty attitude about near everything.
LMAO

oh my, the irony
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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0346
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0125 PM CDT MON APR 04 2011




AREAS AFFECTED...CNTRL/ERN KY

CONCERNING...TORNADO WATCH 92...

VALID 041825Z - 041930Z

THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT FOR TORNADO WATCH 92 CONTINUES.

AREAS N/E OF WW 92 ARE BEING MONITORED FOR AN ADDITIONAL WW.

LEADING EDGE OF HIGH REFLECTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH A FAST-MOVING QLCS
WAS ROUGHLY BOUNDED FROM SPENCER TO SIMPSON COUNTIES IN KY AS OF
1815Z. EXTRAPOLATION OF 50-60 KT FORWARD PROPAGATION SPEED SUGGESTS
THIS QLCS WILL APPROACH THE NRN/ERN EXTENT OF WW 92 BETWEEN 20-21Z.
ALTHOUGH SURFACE TEMPERATURES HAVE WARMED INTO THE LOWER TO MIDDLE
70S DOWNSTREAM OF THIS LINE...THE AXIS OF RICHER LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE
/CHARACTERIZED BY DEW POINTS AOA 60 F/ REMAINS FROM PORTIONS OF
CNTRL/WRN KY SWWD. GIVEN THE FAST PROPAGATION OF THE QLCS
INTERCEPTING THE RETURNING HIGHER-QUALITY BOUNDARY-LAYER
MOISTURE...THERE IS SOME UNCERTAINTY OVER THE ROBUSTNESS OF THE
SEVERE THREAT FARTHER TO THE N/E OF WW 92. NEVERTHELESS...50-60 KT
SWLYS AT 1 KM AGL AMIDST STRONG DEEP-LAYER SHEAR /PER AREA VAD WIND
PROFILES/ WILL REMAIN SUPPORTIVE OF BOWING SEGMENTS AND TRANSIENT
LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATIONS PRODUCING PRIMARILY DAMAGING WINDS AND A FEW
TORNADOES.

..GRAMS.. 04/04/2011


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