Senate committee proposes less drastic budget cuts for NOAA

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 10:16 PM GMT on March 07, 2011

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Last month, the U.S. House of Representatives proposed a new budget (HR 1) for the remainder of the fiscal year that would slash funding of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) by $454 million. This would mean a draconian 28% cut for the National Weather Service, the agency entrusted to protect us from natural hazards such as hurricanes, tornadoes, and floods. Monday, the U.S. Senate Appropriations Committee released a proposed alternative to HR 1 that would make a $110 million reduction to NOAA operations for the remainder of the fiscal year. Of the $110 million cut, $104 million was from earmarks that are no longer funded. This effectively only cuts the NOAA budget by $6 million, and would allow NOAA to continue its efforts through the coming tornado, flood, and hurricane seasons to help protect lives and property without suffering from crippling budget cuts.

Now is the time to mobilize to ensure adequate funding for NOAA, and the National Weather Service Employees Organization issued these recommendations in a letter posted on their website today:

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Assuming the Senate adopts this proposal, the effort goes to convincing House Leadership of the important work of the NWS and fully funding NOAA. At this important stage, we ask you to contact Congressmen John Boehner and Eric Cantor and respectfully request that they support the Senate's proposal for NOAA's budget. These congressmen hold the key to the future of the NWS.

To email or call Speaker John Boehner
http://www.speaker.gov/Contact/

To email or call Representative Eric Cantor
http://cantor.house.gov/contact/

You can also join the Protect the National Weather Service Facebook group, which was created for this cause. Our fan count is growing rapidly but we need more. We want Congress to take notice of how much support our fans have shown. Please share this message with your friends and ask them to click "like" directly on our page. We will have more information, some cool photos and interesting tidbits to share in the coming days.

Sample letters and talking points are available below. Please feel free to use these letters and also tailor them to the particular types of weather for your geographic area. The links below provide email addresses and phone numbers to help you in this effort.

Your support of the National Weather Service is greatly appreciated. You are making the difference in helping the agency continue their mission of saving lives and property. Thank you.


Dear Mr. Speaker (for Speaker John Boehner) OR
Dear Mr. Cantor (for Rep. Eric Cantor)

I am writing to ask you to support the Senate's proposal for NOAA's budget. This proposal will help NOAA and the National Weather Service continue the mission of saving lives and property.

The Senate's proposal includes responsible funding levels in stark contrast to the draconian cuts included in HR1. HR1 would have resulted in the following impacts on the National Weather Service:

* Reduced staffing at Weather Forecast Offices and River Forecast Centers would result in incomplete forecast production which could prove disastrous in a significant weather event. Even in the best of cases, it will still mean incomplete forecast production at WFOs that have major product workloads for aviation, marine, tropical and public services.

* This is going to have a negative impact on the economy and on almost every aspect of our daily lives. There will be a large scale economic impact on aviation, agriculture, and the cost shipping food and other products.

* Service backup of 24 Weather Forecasting Offices has never been tested and runs a very significant risk of a missed tornado, flood or severe weather warning. It is risking lives at the onset of both tornadoes and hurricane season. This is also doubling the area of responsibility for operations and adds the risk of degraded service delivery.

* The National Hurricane Center is not immune to these cuts as furloughs and staffing cuts will add strain to the program. The Hurricane Hunter Jet, which provides lifesaving data and helps determine a hurricane.s path, could also be eliminated.

* Information that is vital for weather modeling and accurate tornado watches and warnings will be reduced and in some cases lost. Reduced upper air observations currently made twice a day could be reduced to once every other day. Buoy and surface weather observations, the backbone of most of the weather and warning systems, may be temporarily or permanently discontinued.

Recent advances in aviation weather forecasting have resulted in as much as a 50 percent reduction in weather related flight delays. The Senate.s proposal for funding will help progressive programs such as these continue and may, in turn, prove beneficial to strengthening the economy.
For the safety of our citizens, the protection of property, and the large scale economic impact on aviation, agriculture, and commerce, I am asking you to vote in support the Senate.s proposal for NOAA's budget.

Sincerely,
Your Name

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I encourage all of you to make your voices heard and help preserve funding for NOAA and the National Weather Service.

You can call or email your U.S. Senator using this link: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information /senators_cfm.cfm

You can call or email your U.S. House of Representatives member using this link: https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

The National Weather Service Employees Organization web site has talking points and sample letters (printable) you can use to contact your Senators and Representative.

Climate Science and EPA’s Greenhouse Gas Regulations
The U.S. House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Energy and Power, chaired by Rep. Ed Whitfield (R-KY), will hold a hearing on Tuesday, March 8, 2011, at 10:00 a.m. in room 2123 of the Rayburn House Office Building. The hearing is entitled, “Climate Science and EPA’s Greenhouse Gas Regulations.” Full Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-MI) and Rep. Whitfield have joined Democratic leaders in the U.S. House in authoring the Energy Tax Prevention Act (H.R. 910), a bill to block EPA’s controversial backdoor climate change agenda that would further drive up the price of energy for American consumers and job creators at a time when gas prices are already spiking and job creation remains weak.

The hearing is open to the public and press. Opening statements, witness testimony, and a live webcast will be available online at http://energycommerce.house.gov

Jeff Masters

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Quoting EYEStoSEA:


Our first cell came thru here (MS) about an hour ago, marble size hail and rain....more to come
much more as afternoon wears on and early evening approaches a strong to severe line will form and sweep out the air mass as it lifts n and e
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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


Our first cell came thru here (MS) about an hour ago, marble size hail and rain....more to come
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AMY!!!!!!

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Quoting Surfcropper:


Hey, even science needs to pay attention to its balance sheet. Stifling the economy in the name of science would be most unsuccessful.

Its all about money. People who work in the fields that never have to produce a profit are always the first to complain about corporations. Even in a country where the corporate tax is the highest in the world and where the scientific community is essentially given the most funds in the world.








I'll never complain about corporations as a concept. Corporations is just one form of organizing labor and solving society's problems. If it wasn't companies, it would be some other sort of organization.

I'd be perfectly happy if corporations never paid a lick of taxes or provided health insturance. it would jsut shift that burden somewhere else.

What I will complain about is when corporation greed runs rampant over the environment, or when corporations buy politicians to change the laws to gain more by cheating people.
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Quoting Surfcropper:


Hey, even science needs to pay attention to its balance sheet. Stifling the economy in the name of science would be most unsuccessful.


Without science, there would be no economy.

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oil reserves on us land is like money in the bank not sure if drilling it out now is such a good idea it might be worth alot more in twenty yrs
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Hi Rich!
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Quoting Neapolitan:

I would definitely says so. If the anti-science movement succeeds in stifling climate change research at the behest of its corporate masters, we'll are in far deeper trouble than we already are. And if that same slash-and-burn bunch of people are successful in crippling the abilities of NOAA and NASA to do their jobs, the problems are compounded. I suppose some will be satisfied getting their hurricane news from ships again--hey, it worked swell back in the 1890s!--but you can count me out of that group... ;-)


Hey, even science needs to pay attention to its balance sheet. Stifling the economy in the name of science would be most unsuccessful.

Its all about money. People who work in the fields that never have to produce a profit are always the first to complain about corporations. Even in a country where the corporate tax is the highest in the world and where the scientific community is essentially given the most funds in the world.






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Quoting jwh250:
Is that true about Peter?


No
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Quoting Surfcropper:
We could just load up $454 million on a Taurus rocket and blow it up over the pacific. That really helps the less fortunate in America.


Twice !

Well, it is less than the administrations recently confirmed 500 billion dollar accounting problem!
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I would definitely says so

Someone needs to use Grammar Check.

Come on, guys. Your argument loses validity when you can't form a sentence!
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609 days to go...

:)
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Quoting Surfcropper:


Good morning, sir.

Quite a topic today for a weather blog, eh?

:)




I would definitely say so. If the anti-science movement succeeds in stifling climate change research at the behest of its corporate masters, we'll are in far deeper trouble than we already are. And if that same slash-and-burn bunch of people are successful in crippling the abilities of NOAA and NASA to do their jobs, the problems are compounded. I suppose some will be satisfied getting their hurricane news from ships again--hey, it worked swell back in the 1890s!--but you can count me out of that group... ;-)
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246. beell


MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0204
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0952 AM CST TUE MAR 08 2011

AREAS AFFECTED...MUCH OF LA AND SRN MS

CONCERNING...OUTLOOK UPGRADE

VALID 081552Z - 081645Z

MUCH OF LA INTO SRN MS IS BEING UPGRADED TO A MODERATE RISK IN THE
UPCOMING 1630Z DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
.

CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO BECOME FAVORABLE LATER THIS AFTERNOON
THROUGH TONIGHT FOR A FEW STRONG AND POSSIBLY LONG-LIVED TORNADOES
ACROSS THIS REGION. FURTHER DETAILS WILL BE AVAILABLE IN THE
MORNING UPDATE OF THE DAY 1 OUTLOOK.

..PETERS.. 03/08/2011
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We could just load up $454 million on a Taurus rocket and blow it up over the pacific. That really helps the less fortunate in America.
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Hmmm the GFS is showing cyclone development in 2,112 hours.  It appears to be headed for FL.  Take this with a grain of salt please.  ;)
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Quoting NRAamy:
yeah, I don't wanna hear anyone say that I am off topic.....
    This is a weather blog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!              lol
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Good point nea as I stated before,must have missed half of my point?The working middle clas pay the wealthy"s part and I know you hate to admit it lol the shiftless lets let the gov pay our ways part.The vets, elderly and disabled ought to bring both these classes to task.Funny I wonder how many billions go to the class that refuses to work.What gripes me is they dont want to work or take the type of jobs available, but they sure have money for that alchol,tobbacco and money to frolic away for nonsense?Yea you are right Our gov does not seem to have a clue where they throw the working middle class's money lol
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AOL's purchase of the Huffington Post closed Monday, and the same day, AOL's stock sank to its lowest price ever.

shares of AOL fell about 4%, or 79 cents, to $19.26 --its lowest closing price so far.

The decline in stock price may show a lack of investor confidence in Chief Executive Tim Armstrong's attempt to turn AOL around. Much of that plan is pinned on the combined vision of Armstong and Arianna Huffington, who is becoming president and editor in chief of a new Huffington Post Media Group inside AOL.

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yeah, I don't wanna hear anyone say that I am off topic.....
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Quoting Neapolitan:

How about cutting oil company subsidies? In fact, how about stopping corporate welfare of all kinds? And how about the wealthiest again being made to pay their fair share in the once-upon-a-time American spirit of shared sacrifice?

Saying you can balance a budget merely by making cuts that affect the least fortunate among us is something spineless politicians throw out like red meat to the lions. The only sensible--and, face it, patriotic--way to balance is to both cut spending and raise revenues. The Bush tax cuts for those making over $250,000--subsequently extended by Obama--was about as shortsightedly and destructively stupid a program that has ever been put in place. Stupid, stupid, stupid...


Good morning, sir.

Quite a topic today for a weather blog, eh?

:)



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U.S. sets $223B deficit record


"The federal government posted its largest monthly deficit in history in February, a $223 billion shortfall that put a sharp point on the current fight on Capitol Hill about how deeply to cut this year’s spending.

That one-month figure, which came in a preliminary report from the Congressional Budget Office, dwarfs even the most robust cuts being talked about on the Hill, and underscores just how much work lawmakers have to do to get the government’s finances in balance again."

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I encourage all of you to make your voices heard and help preserve funding for NOAA and the National Weather Service.

You can call or email your U.S. Senator using this link: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information /senators_cfm.cfm

You can call or email your U.S. House of Representatives member using this link: https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml



better yet, why don't we just signal the Ancient Aliens to come back and save us from ourselves....I'm sure they have unlimited funding...
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Quoting Surfcropper:
Wow. A blog about "draconian" budget cuts. Today should be a real easy-going day here, don't you think?

Keep the NOAA funding and cut university professor pensions..how about that?

How about cutting oil company subsidies? In fact, how about stopping corporate welfare of all kinds? And how about the wealthiest again being made to pay their fair share in the once-upon-a-time American spirit of shared sacrifice?

Saying you can balance a budget merely by making cuts that affect the least fortunate among us is something spineless politicians throw out like red meat to the lions. The only sensible--and, face it, patriotic--way to balance is to both cut spending and raise revenues. The Bush tax cuts for those making over $250,000--subsequently extended by Obama--was about as shortsightedly and destructively stupid a program that has ever been put in place. Stupid, stupid, stupid...
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Quoting Neapolitan:

i agree with most of what you say, save for this line: "No one wants to admit that we have to go on a diet". From everything I've seen, the vast majority of the dieting over the past few decades has been done by the bottom 99% of wage earners; the fat cats at the top just keep getting fatter--at the expense of everyone else. No, we can't have a beer and just shake it off--but the would-be oligarchs don't mind cracking open a 1945 Chateau Mouton Rothschild and toasting their cleverness.

See anything wrong with this picture?

Appropriate tropical weather-related image.

Oh, well. Now I'm really depressed. Tropical weather, anyone? ;-)

He who has the gold makes the rules.

As Mark Twain said, "History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme".
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Quoting Eagle101:
ezcColony stated:



To which greentortuloni replied:



1. Per this Link, GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz admits that the Volt's range is approximately 25 percent less at 32F vs. "normal" temps. It is a known property of batteries.

2. Based on current battery/motor technology, EV's will continue to suffer from range problems, i.e. 40 mile range, with no infrastructure in place to charge. This includes the one-billion dollars (yes...you read that right) invested by GM on "state of the art" technology. We certainly have a long way to go to convince the public to invest the current premium prices demanded for EV's vs. conventional and even hybrids.

3. Batteries are, in fact, considered hazardous waste. Particularly the newer "chemical" batteries that deliver higher performance then conventional lead/acid types.

4. The battery pack for the Volt weighs in at 375lbs. Any EV will suffer a performance loss until #2 above is solved. Could be awhile, please don’t hold your breath.

5. Replacement battery packs for hybrids and EV's are quite expensive. Approximately $2,299 for the Prius, and approximately the same for the Volt.

As for ezcColony's last statement, well, I guess I could apologize for him/her, but, I did not make the comment.

As for greentortuloni's comment that all ezcColony's statements are false, well, perhaps more research in order, less the statement above.


I see have not been here for awhile, I see that may be a good thing. The partisan politics and name calling, and even worse (won't go there...) does nothing to solve the tough realities we face fiscally. No one wants to see programs cut.

However, we cannot continue to see "the can kicked down the road" for next generation to deal with. Just as we all have had to make important changes in our personal budgets, the Federal/State/Local Governments are going to have to do the same.

The world is quite dynamic and we always seem to get the curve ball at the wrong time. I would say, have faith, after all, we did put men on the moon, but after splashing two very expensive satellites into the ocean, I can see why some here might be a little skeptical.

Very Respectfully,

Jon


Just to address a few things:

1. True.
2. You have a better solution?
3. Gasoline and motor oil is considered hazardous waste, too.
4. A good chunk of the weight in the battery pack is offset by the decreased weight in the engine compartment. Also, many current battery packs rely on outdated technology (Ni-Cd and Ni-MH batteries), which are much heavier than other current battery technologies (Li-polymer, for example). The biggest hurdle for development of the new battery technologies is the car maker's resistance to investing in mass production of the new batteries. (and issues getting the raw materials, since they are not terribly common)
5. See #4. Also, think about how much it costs to replace a gasoline fuel system in a car. And to maintain said fuel system. Batteries are a bigger one-time cost, but over the long haul, tend to even out.

Right now, electric and hybrid vehicles are in their developmental stages. Think about it - whenever a new technology comes out, it doesn't get mass appeal right away. Remember back when mobile phones were gigantic, heavy, cumbersome things? (some of the younger generation may not remember those days) You have a cell phone now, don't you? Adoption of new technologies takes time. It takes several generations of the technology to gain mass market appeal. If you compare cell phones and electric vehicles, I would relate today's electric/hybrid technology to be at about the same stage as when cell phones first became completely hand-held, and you didn't need to carry a battery pack with you.
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Wow. A blog about "draconian" budget cuts. Today should be a real easy-going day here, don't you think?

Keep the NOAA funding and cut university professor pensions..how about that?
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Thanks Cat 5 that means a lot.You picked up on the most important thing I feel most are missing,a open mind.Thanks again for the kind words and God Bless.
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Quoting Eagle101:
ezcColony stated:



To which greentortuloni replied:



1. Per this Link, GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz admits that the Volt's range is approximately 25 percent less at 32F vs. "normal" temps. It is a known property of batteries.

2. Based on current battery/motor technology, EV's will continue to suffer from range problems, i.e. 40 mile range, with no infrastructure in place to charge. This includes the one-billion dollars (yes...you read that right) invested by GM on "state of the art" technology. We certainly have a long way to go to convince the public to invest the current premium prices demanded for EV's vs. conventional and even hybrids.

3. Batteries are, in fact, considered hazardous waste. Particularly the newer "chemical" batteries that deliver higher performance then conventional lead/acid types.

4. The battery pack for the Volt weighs in at 375lbs. Any EV will suffer a performance loss until #2 above is solved. Could be awhile, please don’t hold your breath.

5. Replacement battery packs for hybrids and EV's are quite expensive. Approximately $2,299 for the Prius, and approximately the same for the Volt.

As for ezcColony's last statement, well, I guess I could apologize for him/her, but, I did not make the comment.

As for greentortuloni's comment that all ezcColony's statements are false, well, perhaps more research in order, less the statement above.


I see have not been here for awhile, I see that may be a good thing. The partisan politics and name calling, and even worse (won't go there...) does nothing to solve the tough realities we face fiscally. No one wants to see programs cut.

However, we cannot continue to see "the can kicked down the road" for next generation to deal with. Just as we all have had to make important changes in our personal budgets, the Federal/State/Local Governments are going to have to do the same.

The world is quite dynamic and we always seem to get the curve ball at the wrong time. I would say, have faith, after all, we did put men on the moon, but after splashing two very expensive satellites into the ocean, I can see why some here might be a little skeptical.

Very Respectfully,

Jon


I was taking issue with the general statement that electric vehicles won't work. There is a big difference between one model and the entire indutry. For many uses, electric vehicles are great and electric vehicles are not just cars. Of course batteries are hazardous waste. So are TV sets and laptop computers and transformers (at least the old ones), it is about disposal methods. Add in lower maintenance costs, etc and what was posted was not close to the truth even if parts of it were.

EV is the wave of the future for a lot of uses. Not all, I agree, but that's not excuse for defeatist lies of intent.
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Quoting SAINTHURRIFAN:
Nea I agree with a good bit of what you said.Now as a part of that working middle class;if we get rid of all corporations,how many jobs do you think we would lose?Remember basic economics?When i was in college the ole supply chain tree.Big corp supplied by minor corps.The above corps create jobs, allow workers benefits,supply for local communties to hire people to supply the needs of the workers and thier families.So do we need big corporations?Well if we did not have them between 1940 and 1945 you would not be worrying about any personal freedoms for their would have been none.Also where you live I dont know how many top 50 fortune 500 companies you have in your area/in mine thier are 2.And the tax breaks given to these 2 are done basically by the local gov county and city.And the local leaders at the time that gave them this break in our area were over 90% democrat.I understand thier theory it was to keep them in the area for the jobs and the money pumped into the local economies.Does this as a working middle class american upset me?Yes;but the idea behind it is not that hard to understand.Now I agree the coporations should have stricter regulations on enviromental issues,benfit packages and thier fair share of taxes to the local economy.But as long as the local govs trade tax revenue for jobs do you think they are going to volunteer the tax money lol?If you want the gov to regulate private business then we might as well stayed out of ww2 and let the socialist won the war.Also where I disagree with you, is your constant failure to mention the tremendous amount of people in this country who areliving better than a lot of us that work, scrimp, and save to just get by while they live a life of rielly off gov freebies.This is the people that are able to work that choose not to because of gov loopholes or because the jobs available or not to thier suiting.So really we the middle class americans are footing the tax bill for not just the wealthy as you seem to focus on, but the freeloading shiftless as well.In closing this takes away to where the money should be going to the elderly,the disabled,our military vets and the folks who are jobless and are trying to find work but cant.I guess the middle class until it become united against the wealthy and shiftless should just quit working lol.

Corporations do produce many jobs. I get the impression you have a pretty open mind along with a very well rounded perspective and intellectual understanding of the world around you.

I appreciate your insight.
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Quoting kwgirl:
Good morning everyone. Horrible floods in the NE. I feel for those people. Long months of cleaning up and fighting insurance adjusters ahead.

Morning. Well, Days 1-3 for them aren't looking too hot; according to the HPC rainfall projections. We'll keep our fingers crossed.

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ezcColony stated:

Quoting ezcColony:
Chevy Volt Sales Target Lowered To 10K For Year, Chrysler Sells Over 12K Grand Cherokees In One Month

The electric vehicle is not living up to the hype.

Know why?

Because batteries do not operate well in cold temperatures!!!!

Because batteries do not provide enough power to get you anywhere!!!!!!

Because batteries are an eco-hazard!!!!!!!

Because batteries weight too much!!!!!!

Because batteries are expensive!!!!!!

You greenies are nutz!


To which greentortuloni replied:

Quoting greentortuloni:


Not really, pretty much everything you just said is false.


1. Per this Link, GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz admits that the Volt's range is approximately 25 percent less at 32F vs. "normal" temps. It is a known property of batteries.

2. Based on current battery/motor technology, EV's will continue to suffer from range problems, i.e. 40 mile range, with no infrastructure in place to charge. This includes the one-billion dollars (yes...you read that right) invested by GM on "state of the art" technology. We certainly have a long way to go to convince the public to invest the current premium prices demanded for EV's vs. conventional and even hybrids.

3. Batteries are, in fact, considered hazardous waste. Particularly the newer "chemical" batteries that deliver higher performance then conventional lead/acid types.

4. The battery pack for the Volt weighs in at 375lbs. Any EV will suffer a performance loss until #2 above is solved. Could be awhile, please don’t hold your breath.

5. Replacement battery packs for hybrids and EV's are quite expensive. Approximately $2,299 for the Prius, and approximately the same for the Volt.

As for ezcColony's last statement, well, I guess I could apologize for him/her, but, I did not make the comment.

As for greentortuloni's comment that all ezcColony's statements are false, well, perhaps more research in order, less the statement above.


I see have not been here for awhile, I see that may be a good thing. The partisan politics and name calling, and even worse (won't go there...) does nothing to solve the tough realities we face fiscally. No one wants to see programs cut.

However, we cannot continue to see "the can kicked down the road" for next generation to deal with. Just as we all have had to make important changes in our personal budgets, the Federal/State/Local Governments are going to have to do the same.

The world is quite dynamic and we always seem to get the curve ball at the wrong time. I would say, have faith, after all, we did put men on the moon, but after splashing two very expensive satellites into the ocean, I can see why some here might be a little skeptical.

Very Respectfully,

Jon
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Good morning everyone. Horrible floods in the NE. I feel for those people. Long months of cleaning up and fighting insurance adjusters ahead.
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Quoting greentortuloni:


No doubt invester and management greed is hugely responsible. But I also believe the system does a lot of damage. It's the banality of evil problem: if everyone just adds a little bit of evil, suddenly major evil is done seemingly spontaneously.

I also think that the spirit of emotional independence that America is famous for works against us here. No one wants to admit that we have to go on a diet, we can just have a beer and shake it off.

i agree with most of what you say, save for this line: "No one wants to admit that we have to go on a diet". From everything I've seen, the vast majority of the dieting over the past few decades has been done by the bottom 99% of wage earners; the fat cats at the top just keep getting fatter--at the expense of everyone else. No, we can't have a beer and just shake it off--but the would-be oligarchs don't mind cracking open a 1945 Chateau Mouton Rothschild and toasting their cleverness.

See anything wrong with this picture?

Appropriate tropical weather-related image.

Oh, well. Now I'm really depressed. Tropical weather, anyone? ;-)
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Scotts proposal now just cuts 180 FDEP jobs and $148 million without specifying a number of parks.
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Nea I agree with a good bit of what you said.Now as a part of that working middle class;if we get rid of all corporations,how many jobs do you think we would lose?Remember basic economics?When i was in college the ole supply chain tree.Big corp supplied by minor corps.The above corps create jobs, allow workers benefits,supply for local communties to hire people to supply the needs of the workers and thier families.So do we need big corporations?Well if we did not have them between 1940 and 1945 you would not be worrying about any personal freedoms for their would have been none.Also where you live I dont know how many top 50 fortune 500 companies you have in your area/in mine thier are 2.And the tax breaks given to these 2 are done basically by the local gov county and city.And the local leaders at the time that gave them this break in our area were over 90% democrat.I understand thier theory it was to keep them in the area for the jobs and the money pumped into the local economies.Does this as a working middle class american upset me?Yes;but the idea behind it is not that hard to understand.Now I agree the coporations should have stricter regulations on enviromental issues,benfit packages and thier fair share of taxes to the local economy.But as long as the local govs trade tax revenue for jobs do you think they are going to volunteer the tax money lol?If you want the gov to regulate private business then we might as well stayed out of ww2 and let the socialist won the war.Also where I disagree with you, is your constant failure to mention the tremendous amount of people in this country who areliving better than a lot of us that work, scrimp, and save to just get by while they live a life of rielly off gov freebies.This is the people that are able to work that choose not to because of gov loopholes or because the jobs available or not to thier suiting.So really we the middle class americans are footing the tax bill for not just the wealthy as you seem to focus on, but the freeloading shiftless as well.In closing this takes away to where the money should be going to the elderly,the disabled,our military vets and the folks who are jobless and are trying to find work but cant.I guess the middle class until it become united against the wealthy and shiftless should just quit working lol.
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