Senate committee proposes less drastic budget cuts for NOAA

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 10:16 PM GMT on March 07, 2011

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Last month, the U.S. House of Representatives proposed a new budget (HR 1) for the remainder of the fiscal year that would slash funding of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) by $454 million. This would mean a draconian 28% cut for the National Weather Service, the agency entrusted to protect us from natural hazards such as hurricanes, tornadoes, and floods. Monday, the U.S. Senate Appropriations Committee released a proposed alternative to HR 1 that would make a $110 million reduction to NOAA operations for the remainder of the fiscal year. Of the $110 million cut, $104 million was from earmarks that are no longer funded. This effectively only cuts the NOAA budget by $6 million, and would allow NOAA to continue its efforts through the coming tornado, flood, and hurricane seasons to help protect lives and property without suffering from crippling budget cuts.

Now is the time to mobilize to ensure adequate funding for NOAA, and the National Weather Service Employees Organization issued these recommendations in a letter posted on their website today:

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Assuming the Senate adopts this proposal, the effort goes to convincing House Leadership of the important work of the NWS and fully funding NOAA. At this important stage, we ask you to contact Congressmen John Boehner and Eric Cantor and respectfully request that they support the Senate's proposal for NOAA's budget. These congressmen hold the key to the future of the NWS.

To email or call Speaker John Boehner
http://www.speaker.gov/Contact/

To email or call Representative Eric Cantor
http://cantor.house.gov/contact/

You can also join the Protect the National Weather Service Facebook group, which was created for this cause. Our fan count is growing rapidly but we need more. We want Congress to take notice of how much support our fans have shown. Please share this message with your friends and ask them to click "like" directly on our page. We will have more information, some cool photos and interesting tidbits to share in the coming days.

Sample letters and talking points are available below. Please feel free to use these letters and also tailor them to the particular types of weather for your geographic area. The links below provide email addresses and phone numbers to help you in this effort.

Your support of the National Weather Service is greatly appreciated. You are making the difference in helping the agency continue their mission of saving lives and property. Thank you.


Dear Mr. Speaker (for Speaker John Boehner) OR
Dear Mr. Cantor (for Rep. Eric Cantor)

I am writing to ask you to support the Senate's proposal for NOAA's budget. This proposal will help NOAA and the National Weather Service continue the mission of saving lives and property.

The Senate's proposal includes responsible funding levels in stark contrast to the draconian cuts included in HR1. HR1 would have resulted in the following impacts on the National Weather Service:

* Reduced staffing at Weather Forecast Offices and River Forecast Centers would result in incomplete forecast production which could prove disastrous in a significant weather event. Even in the best of cases, it will still mean incomplete forecast production at WFOs that have major product workloads for aviation, marine, tropical and public services.

* This is going to have a negative impact on the economy and on almost every aspect of our daily lives. There will be a large scale economic impact on aviation, agriculture, and the cost shipping food and other products.

* Service backup of 24 Weather Forecasting Offices has never been tested and runs a very significant risk of a missed tornado, flood or severe weather warning. It is risking lives at the onset of both tornadoes and hurricane season. This is also doubling the area of responsibility for operations and adds the risk of degraded service delivery.

* The National Hurricane Center is not immune to these cuts as furloughs and staffing cuts will add strain to the program. The Hurricane Hunter Jet, which provides lifesaving data and helps determine a hurricane.s path, could also be eliminated.

* Information that is vital for weather modeling and accurate tornado watches and warnings will be reduced and in some cases lost. Reduced upper air observations currently made twice a day could be reduced to once every other day. Buoy and surface weather observations, the backbone of most of the weather and warning systems, may be temporarily or permanently discontinued.

Recent advances in aviation weather forecasting have resulted in as much as a 50 percent reduction in weather related flight delays. The Senate.s proposal for funding will help progressive programs such as these continue and may, in turn, prove beneficial to strengthening the economy.
For the safety of our citizens, the protection of property, and the large scale economic impact on aviation, agriculture, and commerce, I am asking you to vote in support the Senate.s proposal for NOAA's budget.

Sincerely,
Your Name

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I encourage all of you to make your voices heard and help preserve funding for NOAA and the National Weather Service.

You can call or email your U.S. Senator using this link: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information /senators_cfm.cfm

You can call or email your U.S. House of Representatives member using this link: https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

The National Weather Service Employees Organization web site has talking points and sample letters (printable) you can use to contact your Senators and Representative.

Climate Science and EPA’s Greenhouse Gas Regulations
The U.S. House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Energy and Power, chaired by Rep. Ed Whitfield (R-KY), will hold a hearing on Tuesday, March 8, 2011, at 10:00 a.m. in room 2123 of the Rayburn House Office Building. The hearing is entitled, “Climate Science and EPA’s Greenhouse Gas Regulations.” Full Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-MI) and Rep. Whitfield have joined Democratic leaders in the U.S. House in authoring the Energy Tax Prevention Act (H.R. 910), a bill to block EPA’s controversial backdoor climate change agenda that would further drive up the price of energy for American consumers and job creators at a time when gas prices are already spiking and job creation remains weak.

The hearing is open to the public and press. Opening statements, witness testimony, and a live webcast will be available online at http://energycommerce.house.gov

Jeff Masters

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Well, I've seen melt numbers that spanned that time period before so I'm not what could be new about it, unless they were able to somehow re-analyze the data to come up with different results. Whatever...if they say it's new, we'll call it new.

I guess my main two points will be:

1...Projections based on short observation periods carry large uncertainties; many climate cycles are demonstrably longer than this.

2...The numbers should be presented in a way that everyone can relate to, such as a percentage. A billion metric tons of ice is a lot of ice in some contexts and very little in others. I really can't see why percentages aren't used in fact, as it would give the best idea of exactly how much ice is being lost. Assuming of course, the ultimate goal is to present the information as objectively as possible.
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469. Skyepony (Mod)
LA saw flooding.. a funnel cloud. So far not near as bad as Monday.
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468. Skyepony (Mod)
Lightning hit a substation, there's flooding. Hattiesburg, MS ended up getting 1" hail..
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467. Skyepony (Mod)
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The NHC just released the Tropical Cyclone Report for Hurricane Tomas.

Max winds: 85 knots/100 mph (Cat 2)
Min. pressure: 982 mb
Death toll: 49 (14 in St. Lucia, 35 in Haiti)
Property damage: c. $510 million U.S.
Rain maxima: 26.3" at Desraches, St. Lucia
Latest hurricane on record (1851 - present) to strike the Windward Islands.
Tomas' ACE ends at 11.57, keeping the storm in 5th place for the season, ahead of Alex's 7.705 and behind Julia's 15.5125. Seasonal ACE is 164.24

That's the final TCR to be released; the official 2010 record is complete.
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Quoting JFLORIDA:
Thats nothing I posted receding glacier photos a while back and they said I was being deceptive because one was probably from summer and the old one was probably taken in the winter.

The thing is, in some areas, last century's summer may be almost indistinguishable from next century's winter...so they're not altogether wrong. ;-)
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Quoting sirmaelstrom:
Of course, it's not really saying much definitively because the observation is so short.

Riggghhttt... Because the annual loss of nearly 22 billion metric tons of ice from Greenland alone, and another 14.5 billion metric tons from Antarctica is "not really saying much".

Quoting sirmaelstrom:
It's also not a "new" study that I'm aware of, as I seem to recall calculating the percentage of mass loss of both Antarctica and Greenland as part of a discussion here on on Dr.Rood's at some point in the past. If I remember correctly, both were on the order of hundredths and thousandths of a percent per year. Maybe somebody wants to recalculate them.

Well, the article states it's a "new study", and it's not been published yet--it will appear in Geophysical Research Letters later this month--so I'd say that it is indeed a "new study" regardless of your lack of awareness of it. Yes, the percentage of overall ice lost in either Greenland or Antarctica each year are relatively small overall...but given that the amounts are not insubstantial, and given that those amounts are accelerating far more rapidly than previously thought, and given that the article talks about how much ice will have melted four decades from now, I'd say the study is definitely "saying much".

Ah, steadfast denialism can be so entertaining at times. ;-)

P.S. -- My "tiny writing at the end" was in response to the "skeptic" who earlier said that AGWT is based on a mere 40 years' worth of data.
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Quoting Grothar:


It is, so I've been told. (How you doing, Jed/)


I'm doing great how about you?

I'm on college spring right now! I do not participate in drunken revelries though, I much more happy to be sober and enjoy some great times with friends in the outdoors and some great fishin adventures!

I'm hoping we can get a good rain out of the system this thursday, the forecast of last Sunday's system being a good rain maker was a complete bust. I was caught by surprise as well.


Hopefully this system will do the opposite, produce more heavy thunderstorm activity than expected. Although I doubt that because of La Nina and cause its march, but its always good to be hopeful I figure. In reality, I believe there will be some good shower and thunderstorm activity, possibly a few strong ones.
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Quoting atmoaggie:
Okay, that sounds more than a tad worse...

Hope those folks are okay.


Me, too. That first report sounded kinda like a touch and go landing. Not very serious. Unsure if it's a single supercell causing trouble or what-haven't been following radar much this eve.
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Quoting sirmaelstrom:


No. The conclusion that I got from the article is that observations indicate that from 1992-2009 the total mass of ice in Greenland and Antarctica has been decreasing and the rate of decline has also been increasing. Of course, it's not really saying much definitively because the observation is so short. It's also not a "new" study that I'm aware of, as I seem to recall calculating the percentage of mass loss of both Antarctica and Greenland as part of a discussion here on on Dr.Rood's at some point in the past. If I remember correctly, both were on the order of hundredths and thousandths of a percent per year. Maybe somebody wants to recalculate them.


Yea I see exactly what you are responding to now. I didn't see Neopolitan's tiny writing at the end.

What you said makes perfect sense.
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Quoting Barefootontherocks:


Hi atmo,
:)

Couple more tornado reports from Red River country.
2320 4 E DETROIT RED RIVER TX 3366 9520 CHASERS CONFIRMED RAIN WRAPPED TORNADO ON THE GROUND NEAR BAGWELL..EAST OF DETROIT ALONG US 82 (SHV)

2330 2 N CLARKSVILLE RED RIVER TX 3364 9506 CHASERS AND SPOTTERS CONFIRM TORNADO ON THE GROUND ... RAIN WRAPPED. SEMI ON A CAR ... TRAILERS FLIPPED ... POWERLINES DOWN ... MANY ROOFS DAMAGED TO HOMES. (SHV)
Okay, that sounds more than a tad worse...

Hope those folks are okay.
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Quoting TomTaylor:
my bad, didn't see which part you were responding to, bro


It's all good...I've been called worse...today even.
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Quoting TomTaylor:

Let me get this straight. This is what I interpreted as your opinion after reading your post:


So since record keeping began, 18 years ago, ice has been melting.

So based off that ice will only melt for another 18 years.




Is that not the conclusion you were making? I sure hope it isn't.


No. The conclusion that I got from the article is that observations indicate that from 1992-2009 the total mass of ice in Greenland and Antarctica has been decreasing and the rate of decline has also been increasing. Of course, it's not really saying much definitively because the observation is so short. It's also not a "new" study that I'm aware of, as I seem to recall calculating the percentage of mass loss of both Antarctica and Greenland as part of a discussion here on on Dr.Rood's at some point in the past. If I remember correctly, both were on the order of hundredths and thousandths of a percent per year. Maybe somebody wants to recalculate them.
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Quoting sirmaelstrom:


LOL. I read the article; actually it's quoted in the original post and in my reply.
my bad, didn't see which part you were responding to, bro
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Quoting cat5hurricane:

Tom, I said one beer. One beer, not several.

Go back to the original post buddy and see if it becomes clear.

Was he responding to Neopolitan?

Looked like he was responding to the article because there was a section bolded.

Guess not :(

nevermind then
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Quoting Grothar:


Yes, I know where you live. You are way up there. I have even been on the Via Verde. Are you familiar with that?


Yes I am familiar with the via verde and all the main places round here, I have walked, bicycled and driven all over the place in the last 10 years, I live right in front of the towns castle and I have big windows that look over the mountains towards Africa, in the other direction north west I can see Seville at night, over the top of your Moron US base that's lite up like a Christmas tree at night, I posted a bit about that at about 283 earlier.We sometimes get very big storms here in the winter.
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We're you responding to the bold part of the article or the stuff the poster wrote at the bottom?
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Quoting TomTaylor:

LOL. may I ask how you reached that conclusion?

You literally make yourself look like a fool


LOL. I read the article; actually it's quoted in the original post and in my reply.
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May I ask who "he" is?

well, it's not her....
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nevermind
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2 hr lightning plot

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Quoting Neapolitan:
Earth's ice sheets melting at faster pace, study finds

"The ice sheets covering both ends of Earth are losing mass at an accelerating pace, and are on a faster-than-projected path to surpass other sources of rising sea levels, according to a new study.

"'The magnitude of the acceleration suggests that ice sheets will be the dominant contributors to sea level rise in forthcoming decades,' the team of researchers concluded after surveying 18 years of satellite and modeling data from Antarctica and Greenland.

"'That ice sheets will dominate future sea level rise is not surprising — they hold a lot more ice mass than mountain glaciers,' lead author Eric Rignot, of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, said in a statement. 'What is surprising is this increased contribution by the ice sheets is already happening,' he added. 'If present trends continue, sea level is likely to be significantly higher than levels projected by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2007'.

"The study will be published later this month in the peer-reviewed Geophysical Research Letters, a journal of the American Geophysical Union."

Article...

(Never mind that the ice that's disappearing is in some cases tens of thousands of years old; we've only got 40 years' worth of observational data, so it's probably nothing to worry about.)


Or only 18 years worth, as in this case...
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May I ask who "he" is?
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Quoting atmoaggie:
Was just about to post that. Sounds like injuries, or worse, are unlikely. That's a good thing.


Hi atmo,
:)

Couple more tornado reports from Red River country.
2320 4 E DETROIT RED RIVER TX 3366 9520 CHASERS CONFIRMED RAIN WRAPPED TORNADO ON THE GROUND NEAR BAGWELL..EAST OF DETROIT ALONG US 82 (SHV)

2330 2 N CLARKSVILLE RED RIVER TX 3364 9506 CHASERS AND SPOTTERS CONFIRM TORNADO ON THE GROUND ... RAIN WRAPPED. SEMI ON A CAR ... TRAILERS FLIPPED ... POWERLINES DOWN ... MANY ROOFS DAMAGED TO HOMES. (SHV)
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Quoting Grothar:


That is very funny. Is it a true story??



Oh yes I had just bought an old burnt down flour mill to convert into a textile craft workshop and in the valley there were about 10 Spanish farmers non of whom could read or write other than in their ancient runic script, they treated me as an anomaly and taught me all sorts of things including about the weather and things like 'tormentas secas'[dry thunder storms] and how to read the clouds overhead.They said they were the last of the last and I was the first of the first there in their valley, as there had been 230 Spanish people there in about 1970.Now they are all gone and the place only has northern European property owners there.I don't live there anymore, I live in an Arab town called Olvera in the mountains.
The Romans used the valley a lot to go up to one of their main inland cities of Ronda and they had built forts there, ''before his grandfather could remember''
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as darkness falls



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Quoting cat5hurricane:

Exactly why I asked! NP man. Comin' right up.

You sneaky beaver
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439. beell
Thanks for the kind words atmo.

And it was kind of a nice change to catch JF when he was somewhat coherent! I think he has peaked for the day...


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Quoting Grothar:



Hey, they certainly get attention, but in case you didn't get the post last night, thanks for the links. I've been looking for those since last season. Could never get them to work.

Here, is this better.




Haha no, not much better. I was just messing with you, I don't think they have an hourly infrared color image that is good for Europe unfortunately.

Except the one centered over Africa which shows a tiny portion of Europe

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Quoting Grothar:


Link, please!



Will this do? The plus NE of center is Hattiesburg.
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Earth's ice sheets melting at faster pace, study finds

"The ice sheets covering both ends of Earth are losing mass at an accelerating pace, and are on a faster-than-projected path to surpass other sources of rising sea levels, according to a new study.

"'The magnitude of the acceleration suggests that ice sheets will be the dominant contributors to sea level rise in forthcoming decades,' the team of researchers concluded after surveying 18 years of satellite and modeling data from Antarctica and Greenland.

"'That ice sheets will dominate future sea level rise is not surprising — they hold a lot more ice mass than mountain glaciers,' lead author Eric Rignot, of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, said in a statement. 'What is surprising is this increased contribution by the ice sheets is already happening,' he added. 'If present trends continue, sea level is likely to be significantly higher than levels projected by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2007'.

"The study will be published later this month in the peer-reviewed Geophysical Research Letters, a journal of the American Geophysical Union."

Article...

(Never mind that the ice that's disappearing is in some cases tens of thousands of years old; we've only got 40 years' worth of observational data, so it's probably nothing to worry about.)
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Quoting Grothar:


I would have a difficult time saying they were the first, but they certainly did not listen. The early colonizers felt they were superior. And by the way, why would anyone plant potatoes at the wrong phase of the moon?? Everyone knows that.


Because I had been to school, I thought I knew what I was doing, that's when I learned that I didn't.

I said I thought the comet was partly made out of ice, then he said its probably connected with us at some point, maybe a long time ago, before the Romans were here in Spain and that was a long time ago as even his grandfather who was very old could not remember the Romans!
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Here comes interesting weather, Hattiesburg, MS.
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Quoting Barefootontherocks:
2215 BROOKSTON LAMAR TX 3362 9570
AT LEAST TWO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS REPORTED A BRIEF TORNADO TOUCHDOWN SOUTHWEST OF BROOKSTON. AT LEAST ONE BARN WAS DAMAGED. TIME WAS BETWEEN 410 PM AND 415 PM. (FWD)

Little tornado W of Paris... Texas, that is.

See ya later, people.
Was just about to post that. Sounds like injuries, or worse, are unlikely. That's a good thing.
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