Drought in China adds pressure to world food prices

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:49 AM GMT on February 23, 2011

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The soil lies cracked and broken in China's Shangdong Province, thirsting for rains that will not come. China's key wheat producing region, lying just south of Beijing, has received just 12 millimeters (1/2 inch) of rain since September, according to the Chinese news service Xinhua. If no rains come during the remainder of February, it could become the worst drought in 200 years. The latest precipitation forecast from the GFS ensemble model predicts the possibility of rains of around 1/2 inch for Shandong Province early next week, but these rains would help only a little. A longer-range 2-week forecast from the operational GFS model shows little or no rain for the region from late next week well into March. Columbia University's International Research Institute for Climate and Society (IRI) projects that spring in Eastern China has an enhanced probability of being dry, with only a 20% - 25% chance that the region will see above average precipitation, and a 40% - 45% chance of below average precipitation. So the great drought will likely continue, and China's ability to feed itself may be greatly challenged this year.


Figure 1. A dried cornfield in a mountainous area of Jinan, capital of east China's Shandong Province, Jan. 18, 2011. Image credit: Xinhua/Zhu Zheng.


Figure 2. Drought conditions in China's Shandong Province this February have reached the "Severe" category. Image credit: Beijing Climate Center.

Impact on global food supplies and food prices
According to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO), the drought in north China seems to be putting pressure on wheat prices, which have been rising rapidly in the past few months. This has helped push global food prices to their highest levels since the FAO Food Price Index was created in 1990 (Figure 3.) China is the world's largest producer of wheat, and if they are forced to import large amounts of food due to continued drought, it could severely impact world food prices. However, the FAO's regional representative for Asia and the Pacific said in an interview with Reuters last month that the situation is not as severe as in 2008, when global food riots erupted. "In general, the supply/demand situation of food grains has become very tight at the moment but enough stocks means there is no cause for alarm," Konuma said. "We still maintain sufficient stocks, which is about 25 percent of annual production. As long as there are sufficient stocks, that means the world has enough food still to feed the people." However, he said that if food stocks continued to decline over the next few years, there would be cause for concern.

The record food global food prices have been partially driven by two other huge weather disasters, the Russian summer heat wave and drought of 2010, and the Australian floods of December - January 2011. Both Russia and Australia are major exporters of grain. Russia issued a ban last summer on grain exports because of their drought, which slashed the wheat harvest by 40% and damaged soils to such an extent that 10% of Russian wheat fields could not be planted this year. The Russian heat wave of 2010 is now estimated by the Centre for Research on the Epidemiology of Disasters to be the deadliest in human history, with 55,736 deaths. The Australian floods caused at least $1.7 billion in agricultural damage, reducing their wheat crop significantly. Fortunately, bumper crops were harvested in non-flooded areas of Australia, and the winter crop harvest in country was up 19% over the previous year's crop, and was the biggest since 2003 - 2004. Australia has been struggling with severe drought in recent years that caused more agricultural damage than the floods did.


Figure 3. The global price of food between 1990 - January 2011, as measured by the U.N.'s FAO Food Price Index. The FAO Food Price Index is a measure of the monthly change in international prices of a basket of food commodities. It consists of the average of price indices for Cereals, Oils and Fats, Sugar, Dairy, and Meat, weighted by the average export shares of each group. Food prices between 2002 - 2004 are given a benchmark value of "100". Global food prices in January 2011 were the highest since the FAO Index was established in 1990. Image credit: Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations.

Drought outlook for Northern Hemisphere summer of 2011
The spike in global food prices this winter raises the concern that a severe drought in a major grain producing region in North America, Europe, or Asia this summer could severely impact grain supplies and food prices. Fortunately, with La Niña conditions over the Eastern Pacific weakening, and possibly abating by summer, the chances for such a drought are lower than they would have been if La Niña were to stay strong into the summer. The latest precipitation forecast from Columbia University's International Research Institute for Climate and Society (Figure 4) shows few areas of drought concern for the coming Northern Hemisphere summer. However, our skill at predicting drought months in advance is limited. For example, IRI's February 2010 forecast of precipitation for the summer of 2010 did not highlight Russia as an area of possible concern for drought, and Russia ended up having one of its worst droughts in history. IRI did highlight the Amazon as a region likely to have below-average summer rains, though, and the Amazon ended up having a 100-year drought last summer.


Figure 4. Global precipitation forecast for June, July and August of 2011, made in February 2011. Only a few scattered regions of the globe are predicted to have above-average chances of drought (yellow colors.) These areas include the Northwest U.S., Southern Brazil, and Northwest China. Image credit: International Research Institute for Climate and Society

Commentary
The recent unrest in the Middle East, which has been attributed, in part, to high food prices, gives us a warning of the type of global unrest that might result in future years if the climate continues to warm as expected. A hotter climate means more severe droughts will occur. We can expect an increasing number of unprecedented heat waves and droughts like the 2010 Russian drought in coming decades. This will significantly increase the odds of a world food emergency far worse than the 2007 - 2008 global food crisis. When we also consider the world's expanding population and the possibility that peak oil will make fertilizers and agriculture much more expensive, we have the potential for a perfect storm of events aligning in the near future, with droughts made significantly worse by climate change contributing to events that will cause disruption of the global economy, intense political turmoil, and war.

I will be doing another post on Thursday or Friday.

The New York Times' Andy Revkin in his Dot Earth Blog has a more in-depth look at the food and climate change issue that I recommend.

Jeff Masters

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Bill introduced to block global warming regulations

Published: Monday, January 31, 2011


From staff reports

In a move aimed at blocking the Obama administration’s global warming regulations, U.S. Sen. John Barrasso, a Wyoming Republican, today introduced a bill to prohibit federal agencies from regulating greenhouse gas emissions.

“The American people have spoken and cap-and-trade legislation is dead, but unfortunately President Obama and his band of regulators haven’t gotten the message,” said Myron Ebell, president of Freedom Action, a conservative group opposed to regulations aimed at addressing climate change.

“Sen. Barrasso’s bill clears the deck and puts Congress back in charge of our energy and global warming policies,” said Ebell. “Our hope is that a similar bill will be introduced in the House and moved rapidly out of committee to a floor vote.”

“Regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, using the Clean Air Act and other laws not designed for the purpose, is strangling investment in the economy and destroying jobs,” Ebell explained. “Enactment of Sen. Barrasso’s bill is the largest single step the Congress could take to restore the American economy to a path of robust long-term growth. Freedom Action supports enactment of Sen. Barrasso’s bill.”

The measure would overturn the Environmental Protection Agency’s finding that greenhouse gas emissions endanger public health and safety and that the EPA should regulate carbon dioxide emissions from power plants and industrial facilities using the Clean Air Act.
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Liquification after the earthquake.

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Quoting Chicklit:
Hi Sunlinepr,
Yes, and the middle-class-to-poor American Republican is still adamant that we need to continue to give tax breaks to the rich so they'll stimulate the economy. If we take away their breaks we'll all go down the tubes. They've gotten away with selling that bill of goods for at least the past 25 years.


If you tax all the rich guys 100% you run this bloated obscenely inefficient government for something like four hours. It's about the spending stupid! Get it?

And I don't mean you personally. It's my campaign slogan for anyone who wants to get elected next time.
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The banks get your home, get compensated by the government for "losses" on their books; have bilked their investors, and still get to keep the real estate. Deregulation at work.
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Selling your home??? Better sell now, for whatever you get... And if you're in the S/E coast, before Hurricane season....


Home prices fall 4.1%, near 2009 lows - cnnmoney

Les Christie, staff writer, On Tuesday February 22, 2011, 2:02 pm

Home prices took a big hit at the end of 2010, even as the rest of the economy gained steam.
National home prices fell 4.1% during the last three months of 2010, compared with 12 months earlier, according to the latest report from the S&P/Case-Shiller home price index, a closely watched indicator of market trends. They were down 1.9% compared with three months earlier.
"Despite improvements in the overall economy, housing continues to drift lower and weaker," said David Blitzer, spokesman for S&P.

And things may get a lot worse, said Robert Shiller, a Yale economist and half of the Case-Shiller team, in a web conference after the report's release.

"There's a substantial risk of home prices falling another 15%, 20% or 25% more," he said.

More.... Link
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Hi Sunlinepr,
Yes, and the middle-class-to-poor American Republican is still adamant that we need to continue to give tax breaks to the rich so they'll stimulate the economy. If we take away their breaks we'll all go down the tubes. They've gotten away with selling that bill of goods for at least the past 25 years.
Meanwhile, we are firing teachers because they cost too much.
Not everyone gets health care because it costs too much.
If you counted up the tax breaks, there would be enough to pay for those teachers and the affordable medical care that everyone needs. Maybe there would be enough left to create some training programs. And how about incentives for paying a living wage rather than sending the jobs overseas where you pay third world wages? What a mess.
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Quoting Neapolitan:

That guy's nuts--but perhaps no nuttier than Rep. Bobby Franklin of Georgia.

Out of control...


Let's just be done with that conversation and say we don't send our best and brightest to Congress.
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Quoting RecordSeason:


"They" take your money every time you don't get a raise.

"They" take your money every time you watch a movie or sports game.

"They" take your money when you buy a house that is marked up to 2,3, even 4 times the value. The banks manipulated the market and show a "loss" on paper, even though they ended up owning everything.

"They" take your money when you invest in a retirement or mutual fund, and hidden fees literally eat up half the profits.

It's not enough for "them" to make double, or even triple normal people. "They" aren't satisfied till they make a hundred, two hundred, even one thousand times that of a normal income.


This is called "Usury" and extortion, and it is leading towards outright slavery.


Each and every one of these arguments will only be true if you allow yourself to be a victim. I refuse to be a victim and encourage each and every one of you to take the pledge.

I refuse to be a victim. I make my own decisions and live with them right and wrong.
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Quoting Patrap:
Fair and Balanced confirms.

Indiana Deputy AG Fired Over Wisconsin Tweet

Updated: Wednesday, 23 Feb 2011, 5:30 PM CST
Published : Wednesday, 23 Feb 2011, 5:30 PM CST

(NewsCore) - A deputy attorney general in Indiana was fired Wednesday after he tweeted that police should "use live ammunition" against labor union protesters in Wisconsin, The Indianapolis Star reported.

The controversy first erupted Saturday, after staffers at the liberal magazine Mother Jones tweeted a report that riot police might clear protesters out of the Wisconsin Capitol building. In response, Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Cox -- using the Twitter account JCCentCom -- tweeted, "Use live ammunition."

That guy's nuts--but perhaps no nuttier than Rep. Bobby Franklin of Georgia.

Out of control...
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Quoting twincomanche:


Hey Flood, how do you feel about direct insults? Are they OK? No matter how badly spelled.


"They" take your money every time you don't get a raise.

"They" take your money every time you watch a movie or sports game.

"They" take your money when you buy a house that is marked up to 2,3, even 4 times the value. The banks manipulated the market and show a "loss" on paper, even though they ended up owning everything.

"They" take your money when you invest in a retirement or mutual fund, and hidden fees literally eat up half the profits.

It's not enough for "them" to make double, or even triple normal people. "They" aren't satisfied till they make a hundred, two hundred, even one thousand times that of a normal income.


This is called "Usury" and extortion, and it is leading towards outright slavery.
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Quoting JohnTucker:
People shouldn't have access to politicians because they are wealthy. Thats already a conflict of interest/unfair influence.

How come people in the scientific community who actually are experts are not consulted on decisions for a particular party. Yet the wealthy and populist clergy are. How can that party ever make the best decisions. *(Especially when considering its history)

Then also to glorify the standing army.

That categorically stands against everything the founders stood for.


Because the scientists are corrupt for they take money from HORRORS, the government, rich guys, evil corporations and bloated academic institutions financed by the government, rich guys and evil corporations. Get it?
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I wouldn't triangulate a middle in some situations. Especially ones i was trying to get right. Thats how very costly mistakes are made.

But anyway I dont like discussing pure politics here. Back to weather and climate.
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Quoting Patrap:
Lordy,,..

Sheesh

Today 3:07 PM Indiana Official Loses Job Over 'Live Ammunition' Comments

The Indiana Deputy Attorney General who tweeted in favor of using "live ammunition" on the Wisconsin protesters has since lost his job, TPM reports:

"We respect individuals' First Amendment right to express their personal views on private online forums, but as public servants we are held by the public to a higher standard, and we should strive for civility," the Attorney General's office said in a statement.
What an idiot. About the only worse thing he could have said was "I hate teachers."
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Quoting Patrap:
Going to California..with the Koch Brothers, in my Heart



great song
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Phunny,the Caller had 20 Minutes of the Gub's time.

Shame the Opposition or the People cant get 5-10.

Go fig'ya?
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member max. est. net worth
Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) $451.1 million
Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) $435.4 million
Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-Fla.) $366.2 million
Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) $294.9 million
Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) $285.1 million
Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) $283.1 million
Sen. Herb Kohl (D-Wisc.) $231.2 million
Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) $201.5 million
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) $136.2 million
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) $108.1 million
combined net worth: $2.8 billion
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Quoting scott39:
Politicians on both sides are corrupt. What the prankster did was not honorable! If it would have been a Democrat, I would have felt the same way. Im a moderate Democrat/Independent, although I called that conversation like I see it. He thought it was a private conversation with someone he thought he knew. I would not have wanted to hear President Bush's coversation no more than I would want to hear President Obama's or anybody elses for that matter.
The most adult comment on here in quite a while...
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Quoting RecordSeason:



No we aren't. Some people are born with wealth already, etc.

Some people are born blind or deaf, etc.

Right away you're wrong.


The general rule is that capitalism rewards corruption and abuse.


Sounds like a line from a communist. And you claim to be a moderate what?
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People shouldn't have access to politicians because they are wealthy. Thats already a conflict of interest/unfair influence.

How come people in the scientific community who actually are experts are not consulted on decisions for a particular party. Yet the wealthy and populist clergy are. How can that party ever make the best decisions. *(Especially when considering its history)

Then also to glorify the standing army.

That categorically stands against everything the founders stood for.
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Quoting RecordSeason:


Yes, they are taking it from you. You're just to ignorant and naive to realize it.


Hey Flood, how do you feel about direct insults? Are they OK? No matter how badly spelled.
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Quoting JohnTucker:
Jazzzzheeeessssseee

Thats what people get for thinking it cant get worse and not voting or voting for mottoes like "throw them out" without regard for reason. Where did they find those people.


Tea Party supporters are "much more likely than registered voters as a whole to say that their religion is the most important factor in determining their opinions on ... social issues"

Tea Party supporters comprised 41% of the electorate in November, previous Pew polling found, with the overwhelming majority backing Republican candidates, contributing to the GOP's House takeover.


That article is interesting however it gets me thinking of the Jewish what percentage are Democrats normally hence not particularly inclined to the views on the tea party, and I'm surprised with the known demographics of the black vote that the numbers aren't even more lop sided.

I'm going to have to look at this from voter trends to see if this is really significant of anything other what would seem most natural for religious people to say their religion had a lot to do with how they vote.
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DOOM!!
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Going to California..with the Koch Brothers, in my Heart
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


We are a Constitutional Republic. Not a capitalist or any economic endeavor.

I don't think that was intended to be a jumping board for inequality. Looks more like a ground leveling and foundational base.

Certainly its not a foundation for poverty, death and/or perpetual toiling.
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Quoting twincomanche:


We are born equal. No one has yet said we stay that way.



No we aren't. Some people are born with wealth already, etc.

Some people are born blind or deaf, etc.

Right away you're wrong.


The general rule is that capitalism rewards corruption and abuse.
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Quoting weatherboy1992:

Walker didn't pick up on it because he's a corrupt idiot.

And it's fair to do this. Walker is a public official. He's the governor of Wisconsin for God's sake. It was Walker's choice to accept the call. Walker's choice to ramble on for 20 minutes. Walker's choice to laugh about accepting a Koch-Brothers-paid junket to California. Walker's choice to brag and laugh about laying off "5000-6000, maybe more" workers. Workers in the middle class. Breadwinners for families.

Yes, sending thousands of middle Maybe funny to some people. Sick people. But not to me.

If conservatism is really an honorably philosophy then conservatives should call for Walker's impeachment. If conservatives do not call for his impeachment it is proof that conservatism at it's core is a corrupt philosophy.

Politicians on both sides are corrupt. What the prankster did was not honorable! If it would have been a Democrat, I would have felt the same way. Im a moderate Democrat/Independent, although I called that conversation like I see it. He thought it was a private conversation with someone he thought he knew. I would not have wanted to hear President Bush's coversation no more than I would want to hear President Obama's or anybody elses for that matter.
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Quoting twincomanche:
I don't care how much the rich guys make. Most of them other than the politicians are not taking it from me. I just want to make more. Give me a good economy and I can do that.


Yes, they are taking it from you. You're just to ignorant and naive to realize it.
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Quoting RecordSeason:



Orwellian:

"All are equal, but some are more equal than others."

"They" own you, whether or not you realize it.


We are born equal. No one has yet said we stay that way.
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Jeffrey Cox -- using the Twitter account JCCentCom -- tweeted, "Use live ammunition."


JCCentcom ?

LOL

No ego there,

"Joint Chief Central Command"

or "Jesus Christ Central Command"

You DECIDE

LOL
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Quoting sunlinepr:
Separate but unequal: Charts show growing rich-poor gap
By Zachary Roth zachary Roth 1 hr 23 mins ago

The Great Recession and the slump that followed have triggered a jobs crisis that's been making headlines since before President Obama was in office, and that will likely be with us for years. But the American economy is also plagued by a less-noted, but just as serious, problem: Simply put, over the last 30 years, the gap between rich and poor has widened into a chasm.
Gradual developments like this don't typically lend themselves to news coverage. But Mother Jones magazine has crunched the data on inequality, and put together a group of stunning new charts. Taken together, they offer a dramatic visual illustration of who's doing well and who's doing badly in modern America.
Link

A huge share of the nation's economic growth over the past 30 years has gone to the top one-hundredth of one percent, who now make an average of $27 million per household. The average income for the bottom 90 percent of us? $31,244.




Orwellian:

"All are equal, but some are more equal than others."

"They" own you, whether or not you realize it.
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Fair and Balanced confirms.

Indiana Deputy AG Fired Over Wisconsin Tweet

Updated: Wednesday, 23 Feb 2011, 5:30 PM CST
Published : Wednesday, 23 Feb 2011, 5:30 PM CST

(NewsCore) - A deputy attorney general in Indiana was fired Wednesday after he tweeted that police should "use live ammunition" against labor union protesters in Wisconsin, The Indianapolis Star reported.

The controversy first erupted Saturday, after staffers at the liberal magazine Mother Jones tweeted a report that riot police might clear protesters out of the Wisconsin Capitol building. In response, Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Cox -- using the Twitter account JCCentCom -- tweeted, "Use live ammunition."
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re 353.

There's a old saying. Money makes money. I guess that's true.
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I don't care how much the rich guys make. Most of them other than the politicians are not taking it from me. I just want to make more. Give me a good economy and I can do that.
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Lordy,,..

Sheesh

Today 3:07 PM Indiana Official Loses Job Over 'Live Ammunition' Comments

The Indiana Deputy Attorney General who tweeted in favor of using "live ammunition" on the Wisconsin protesters has since lost his job, TPM reports:

"We respect individuals' First Amendment right to express their personal views on private online forums, but as public servants we are held by the public to a higher standard, and we should strive for civility," the Attorney General's office said in a statement.
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Quoting weatherboy1992:

Walker didn't pick up on it because he's a corrupt idiot.

And it's fair to do this. Walker is a public official. He's the governor of Wisconsin for God's sake. It was Walker's choice to accept the call. Walker's choice to ramble on for 20 minutes. Walker's choice to laugh about accepting a Koch-Brothers-paid junket to California. Walker's choice to brag and laugh about laying off "5000-6000, maybe more" workers. Workers in the middle class. Breadwinners for families.

Yes, sending thousands of middle Maybe funny to some people. Sick people. But not to me.

If conservatism is really an honorably philosophy then conservatives should call for Walker's impeachment. If conservatives do not call for his impeachment it is proof that conservatism at it's core is a corrupt philosophy.

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Other graphs in that article...

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US Census as of 2005.

The average American income (mean) for both sexes combined and irrespective of race, color or education, whether earning or not earning and with the only constraint that the sample set consists only of individuals above 25 years of age, is $43,362
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Separate but unequal: Charts show growing rich-poor gap
By Zachary Roth zachary Roth 1 hr 23 mins ago

The Great Recession and the slump that followed have triggered a jobs crisis that's been making headlines since before President Obama was in office, and that will likely be with us for years. But the American economy is also plagued by a less-noted, but just as serious, problem: Simply put, over the last 30 years, the gap between rich and poor has widened into a chasm.
Gradual developments like this don't typically lend themselves to news coverage. But Mother Jones magazine has crunched the data on inequality, and put together a group of stunning new charts. Taken together, they offer a dramatic visual illustration of who's doing well and who's doing badly in modern America.
Link

A huge share of the nation's economic growth over the past 30 years has gone to the top one-hundredth of one percent, who now make an average of $27 million per household. The average income for the bottom 90 percent of us? $31,244.

Link

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Come on Flood. "Corrupt Idiot?"
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Walker didn't pick up on it because he's a corrupt idiot.

And it's fair to do this. Walker is a public official. He's the governor of Wisconsin for God's sake. It was Walker's choice to accept the call. Walker's choice to ramble on for 20 minutes. Walker's choice to laugh about accepting a Koch-Brothers-paid junket to California. Walker's choice to brag and laugh about laying off "5000-6000, maybe more" workers. Workers in the middle class. Breadwinners for families.

Yes, sending thousands of middle Maybe funny to some people. Sick people. But not to me.

If conservatism is really an honorably philosophy then conservatives should call for Walker's impeachment. If conservatives do not call for his impeachment it is proof that conservatism at it's core is a corrupt philosophy.

Quoting scott39:
That conversation is going to HELP Scott Walker! He backed up everything he believed in, whether you agree with him or not. The other guy sounded like a idiot cigar smoking politician that is portrayed on commercials. I dont know why Walker didnt pick up on it? This guy baited him for 20 minutes and only got what he believed in. Is this what are society is coming to? This shouldnt be done to anyone!!!!
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Quoting Floodman:


I don't mind opinions, it's resorting to epithets that aggravates me...


I apologize if my weak attempt at humor offended. Just so I understand we are only allowed to make snarky remarks about Republican Governors and Faux news.

"Suppose you were a member of Congress, suppose you were a idiot. I repeat myself."
Mark Twain

Is that better?
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Hmmmmmm Uhhhhhhh. like death panels. yea right. good one. I stand corrected.

Why do you defend your party with the worst behavior you think you can find in others?

There is no excuse for that. Its bizarre - no bid, no review. Ive never seen anythign like it.

342 you got it zuzu!

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Quoting JohnTucker:
If it gets out what is really in that bill people are not going to appreciate being deceived. Ive never seen anything like that.

If a dem tried that and I found out Id be first in line to impeach them.


Give me break. The Democrat Congress set a new low with all the junk in the health care bill. Whether you like it or not it is so full of stuff not needed or wanted that it is ridiculous.
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