Another amazingly snowy winter for the U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:18 PM GMT on February 11, 2011

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As northeast Oklahoma and northwest Arkansas dig out from the two feet of snow dumped this winter's latest epic snowstorm, it's time to summarize how remarkable the snows of the past two winters have been. So far this winter, the Northeast U.S. has seen three Category 3 (major) or higher snow storms on the Northeast Snowfall Impact (NESIS) scale. This scale, which rates Northeast snowstorms by the area affected by the snowstorm, the amount of snow, and the number of people living in the path of the storm, runs from Category 1 (Notable) to Category 5 (Crippling.) This puts the winter of 2010 - 2011 in a tie for first place with the winters of 2009 - 2010 and 1960 - 1961 for most major Northeast snowstorms. All three of these winters had an extreme configuration of surface pressures over the Arctic and North Atlantic referred to as a negative North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) and Arctic Oscillation (AO). In this situation, the band of winds that circles the North Pole weakens, allowing cold air to spill southwards into the mid-latitudes.

In the past twelve months, we've had six major Category 3 or stronger storms on the NESIS scale, by far the most major snowstorms in a 12-month period in the historical record. Going back to 1956, only one 12-month period had as many as four major snowstorms--during 1960 - 1961. New York City has seen three of its top-ten snowstorms and the two snowiest months in its 142-year history during the past 12 months--February 2010 (36.9") and January 2011 (36.0"). Philadelphia has seen four of its top-ten snowstorm in history the past two winters. The Midwest has not been left out of the action this year, either--the Groundhog's Day blizzard nailed Chicago with its 3rd biggest snowstorm on record. According to the National Climatic Data Center, December 2010 saw the 7th greatest U.S. snow extent for the month in the 45-year record, and January 2011 the 5th most. December 2009 had the greatest snow extent for the month in the 45-year record, January 2010 the 6th most, and February 2010 the 3rd most. Clearly, the snows of the past two winters in the U.S. have been truly extraordinary.


Figure 1. The six major Category 3 Northeast snowstorms of the past twelve months. Image credit: National Climatic Data Center.

A cold January in the U.S.
January 2011 was the coldest January in the contiguous U.S. since 1994, according to the National Climatic Data Center, and ranked as the 37th coldest January in the 117-year record. Despite the heavy snows in the Northeast U.S., January was the 9th driest January since 1895. This was largely due to the fact that the Desert Southwest was very dry, with New Mexico recording its driest January, and Arizona and Nevada their second driest.

A cold and record snowy winter (yet again!) in the U.S. does not prove or disprove the existence of climate change or global warming, as we must instead focus on global temperatures averaged over decades. Globally, January 2011 was the 11th warmest since 1880, but tied for the second coolest January of the past decade, according to NASA. NOAA has not yet released their stats for January. The cool-down in global temperatures since November 2010, which was the warmest November in the historical record, is largely due to the temporary cooling effect of the strong La Niña event occurring in the Eastern Pacific. This event has cooled a large portion of the surface waters in the Pacific, leading to a cooler global temperature.

Some posts of interest I've done on snow and climate change over the past year:

Hot Arctic-Cold Continents Pattern is back (December 2010)
The future of intense winter storms (March 2010)
Heavy snowfall in a warming world (February 2010)

Have a great weekend, everyone, and enjoy the coming warm-up, those of you in the eastern 2/3 of the country!

Jeff Masters

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1200. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)


not sure about flooding areas but the temps show a good melting in progress in a few days if temps remain iam sure more info will come in as to flooding areas
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Quoting RecordSeason:
Quoting Cochise111:


Next time you hear Methane or any other hydrocarbon labelled as a fossil fuel, try not to laugh too hard at their ignorance.


Methane isn't a fossil fuel. Natural gas (which is primarily methane) came from "fossil" sources, but methane itself does not require fossil sources to form.

The methane in our atmosphere is primarily biological in origin. We're close enough to the sun that solar radiation ends up breaking down methane at a decent rate. Without regular replenishment from biological sources, almost all the methane in the atmosphere would be gone within about 12 years.

Methane can be produced by either direct biological processes or thermogenic means. Both processes REQUIRE the presence of ORGANIC MOLECULES. And before you scoff, organic molecules do not imply "life". Methane is an organic molecule, along with most other hydrocarbons and carbohydrates. Link

The largest source by far of organic molecules on earth is from biomass. The process for generating these fuels from biomass is well understood. Further credence is lent from the fact that these fuels are often found in and around strata that match certain events throughout Earth's history (along with the fossilized remains of organisms in some cases). Exploration companies use this knowledge combined with other paleological data to narrow down areas where deposits are most likely to occur, such as ancient seabeds and other areas where there is likely to have been large biomass deposits over extended periods of time.

Of course, the evidence is even stronger with coal which very often contains the fossilized impressions and remains of the organisms that it is made from. As an extreme example, some coal mines have fossilized ancient forests (now turned to coal) embedded within them. Link

Abiogenic processes can create such fuels, but for complex hydrocarbons the process is complicated and would occur only under rare circumstances at best. The theory has largely been abandoned since it has failed repeatedly to make any useful predictions about where and how much fuel deposits can be found. As opposed to the biological origin theory, which has been used repeatedly by multiple companies to locate and estimate new deposits.

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Any ideas on potential flooding locations? Seems to me the high volume of snowpack in places like MO and AR might lend itself to some run-off flooding.
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1196. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)

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1194. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
Quoting stillwaiting:
any ideas when the next snowstorm for the NE will be???,anyone???
not for awhile temps are expected to switch back and fourth till wed then rise to 50f or higher with rain for thursday and friday with warmer temps and rain the snowpack may suffer greatly even todays temps are in high 30's with a good melt in progress
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Quoting Levi32:
SST change in the Atlantic between Feb. 1st and Feb. 10th shows the clear influence of the flip in the Arctic Oscillation, increasing trade winds over the eastern Atlantic. The SE US warm-up is also evident.



It seems that a strongly zonal flow has developed over the northern US, we have a very warm maritime Pacific air mass over the Upper Midwest right now, it feels like late March!

This zonal flow is so strong that there is a high wind warning this afternoon because of strong westerly winds, true westerlies are uncommon here because of the Rockies.
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any ideas when the next snowstorm for the NE will be???,anyone???
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Quoting BahaHurican:
LOOK.

STOP BICKERING!!!!!!

Right now no scientific argument is being presented by either side in a way that edifies this blog. All I'm seeing posted since I came back is snide remarks and u-say-I-say personal attacks.

Frankly, the entire debate has been pretty much exhausted here; nobody's bringing any new arguments to the table (the closest was Levi's mention of some something in Alaska) and the rest of it is just annoying. I'm at the point where I'm just going to minus anybody who is only commenting on another blogger's post to say things like "denialist" "creationist" etc, or denigrate somebody else's level of education, age, or scientific knowledge. It's beyond ridiculous now.

If this is all you have to contribute to the blog today, for the Lord's sake get off the blog and go do something else. Can we talk about coldest winter in 10+ years? Worst hit on Queensland in 100 years? Bingiza? Upcoming hurricane conference? Hurricane history? World stats?

Man, there's much more to talk about than this crap from the global warming obsessed. Please NOTE the doc has a LIFE and can talk about something else!!!!!!
I'd love to heard all the latest stuff about La Nina, SOI bursts, changes in the AO and other oscillations, etc. And about the crazy warm weatrher up here.
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1189. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
Quoting washingtonian115:
How strong were the tremors?


Update time = Sun Feb 13 20:00:00 UTC 2011


MAG UTC DATE-TIME
y/m/d h:m:s LAT
deg LON
deg DEPTH
km Region
MAP 3.1 2011/02/13 19:53:47 59.946 -153.256 100.0 SOUTHERN ALASKA
MAP 4.5 2011/02/13 19:25:25 19.326 -67.848 8.1 DOMINICAN REPUBLIC REGION
MAP 5.0 2011/02/13 19:12:35 39.612 73.824 41.8 KYRGYZSTAN
MAP 5.1 2011/02/13 19:05:55 -20.854 -176.638 206.4 FIJI REGION
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Quoting Cochise111:


You know, you remind me of the Catholic Church during the time of Galileo. Unable to accept anything that you know nothing about. If hydrocarbons were formed from decaying plants and animals, why is it that hydrocarbons are detected on other planets?
The stuff in oil is long-chain hydrocarbons are can be traced back to biological materia via isotopic analysis, material that has been cycled though photosynthesizing organisms have higher amounts of Carbon-13 relative to Carbon-14 than non-biological hydrocarbons like those found in space.

Oh and why are oil deposits associated with coming from rocks deposited in highly productive ancient shallow seas if it is not from dead algae? You know all that oil in the Arctic? that is from the burst of activity up there that helped to draw down CO2 levels at the end of the Eocene.

And oil is destroyed by high temperatures deep in the earth, a lot of natural gas was oil that was broken up into simpler hydrocarbons by the earth's heat.

Please read up on how oil is actually formed before you pull the "I'm like Galileo!" martyrdom shtick.
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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
How strong were the tremors?
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I've looked at every basin in 2008,and it seems like 2008 was the year of killer tropical cyclones coming back with a vengece.
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1185. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
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1184. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
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Quoting Patrap:
www.solarcycle24.com




[SDO] Composite


Solar Activity on the Rise
02/13/2011 by Kevin VE3EN at 13:15
Comment on Message Board

Sunspot 1158 - Now one of the largest Sunspots of Cycle 24, Sunspot cluster 1158 continues to expand in the southern hemisphere. The X-Ray Flux background levels are near the lower C-Class range and there is now a good chance for M-Class flares. This region combined with the other visible sunspots may finally push the Solar Flux past 100.

Solar Update - The solar flux on Saturday stands at 96 which ties a Cycle 24 record set exactly 1 year ago on Feb 12, 2010. A solar flux of 96 is not all that high, but perhaps a step in the right direction.



Several B-Class flares and atleast one C-Class flare have taken place within the past 24 hours around newly numbered 1160 which is located on the eastern limb and rotating into view. A few of these flares caused some CME's that are seen in the latest Lasco C2 movie blasting off the eastern limb. There will continue to be a chance for C-Class flares and perhaps an M-Class event.



Sunspots (Early Sunday)






Hey look, global cooling on the Sun!

Just kidding. :)
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Quoting Xyrus2000:


You're right. We could talk about Hitler.

I kid.

Seems like I missed some drama yesterday. I've seen several comments that make me not want to go back and look.

At any rate the "coldest winter in 10 years" was only that for some. It was actually incredibly warm across a chunk of the arctic, Canada and Greenland. It was also mild where I am. I really wanted a winter storm or two but while everyone else was getting socked with snow, all we got was rain. This was a stark contrast compared to last winter where we got hit with 3 blizzards, with "Snowmageddon" dropping 38" inches of snow at my house.

But spring and summer are coming, and with it the hurricane season and thunderstorms. It seems the current thinking is that this hurricane season isn't going to be pretty. Has anyone posted their predictions for the season yet?
some ppl were talking the other day, but nothing concrete. I've seen above average season with steering favoring more US landfalls booted about, but nothing to backup and nothing in the way of actual numbers since Klotzbach/Gray in Dec
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Quoting CybrTeddy:
.. the wunderful world of pre season?
Even though hurricane season is crowded on this blog,it's more better than this.Anyway....over the next several days it looks like tempetures in my reigon will not go back in the 30's until maybe the very end of the month.
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1178. Patrap
www.solarcycle24.com




[SDO] Composite


Solar Activity on the Rise
02/13/2011 by Kevin VE3EN at 13:15
Comment on Message Board

Sunspot 1158 - Now one of the largest Sunspots of Cycle 24, Sunspot cluster 1158 continues to expand in the southern hemisphere. The X-Ray Flux background levels are near the lower C-Class range and there is now a good chance for M-Class flares. This region combined with the other visible sunspots may finally push the Solar Flux past 100.

Solar Update - The solar flux on Saturday stands at 96 which ties a Cycle 24 record set exactly 1 year ago on Feb 12, 2010. A solar flux of 96 is not all that high, but perhaps a step in the right direction.



Several B-Class flares and atleast one C-Class flare have taken place within the past 24 hours around newly numbered 1160 which is located on the eastern limb and rotating into view. A few of these flares caused some CME's that are seen in the latest Lasco C2 movie blasting off the eastern limb. There will continue to be a chance for C-Class flares and perhaps an M-Class event.



Sunspots (Early Sunday)




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1177. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
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Bingiza approaching Madagascar.



Analanjirofo - Population 900,000



The last cyclone to hit Madagascar as a cat. 3 or stronger 1-minute SSHS storm was Ivan in 2008, which killed 93 people and left 176 missing.
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1175. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)


Today's NOAA Active Regions
Number Location Hale McIntosh Area NSpots Events

11156 S21W33
(495",-257") β/β Bxo/Cro 0010/0040 02/05 -
11157 N18W29
(449",394") β/β Cro/Bxo 0030/0010 05/02 -
11158 S19W00
(0",-206") β/β Dsi/Cro 0040/0040 12/05 C4.7(13:44)
M6.6(17:28)

11159 N19W02
(32",423") β/α Bxo/Axx 0010/0010 04/02 /C2.6(14:30)

11160 N16E76
(-906",292") /- /--- /---- /-- C1.4(07:25)
C1.1(12:29)


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Quoting BahaHurican:
LOOK.

STOP BICKERING!!!!!!

Right now no scientific argument is being presented by either side in a way that edifies this blog. All I'm seeing posted since I came back is snide remarks and u-say-I-say personal attacks.

Frankly, the entire debate has been pretty much exhausted here; nobody's bringing any new arguments to the table (the closest was Levi's mention of some something in Alaska) and the rest of it is just annoying. I'm at the point where I'm just going to minus anybody who is only commenting on another blogger's post to say things like "denialist" "creationist" etc, or denigrate somebody else's level of education, age, or scientific knowledge. It's beyond ridiculous now.

If this is all you have to contribute to the blog today, for the Lord's sake get off the blog and go do something else. Can we talk about coldest winter in 10+ years? Worst hit on Queensland in 100 years? Bingiza? Upcoming hurricane conference? Hurricane history? World stats?

Man, there's much more to talk about than this crap from the global warming obsessed. Please NOTE the doc has a LIFE and can talk about something else!!!!!!


You're right. We could talk about Hitler.

I kid.

Seems like I missed some drama yesterday. I've seen several comments that make me not want to go back and look.

At any rate the "coldest winter in 10 years" was only that for some. It was actually incredibly warm across a chunk of the arctic, Canada and Greenland. It was also mild where I am. I really wanted a winter storm or two but while everyone else was getting socked with snow, all we got was rain. This was a stark contrast compared to last winter where we got hit with 3 blizzards, with "Snowmageddon" dropping 38" inches of snow at my house.

But spring and summer are coming, and with it the hurricane season and thunderstorms. It seems the current thinking is that this hurricane season isn't going to be pretty. Has anyone posted their predictions for the season yet?
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1173. Levi32
Quoting BahaHurican:
Levi, what's ur take on how long this flip in the AO will last?


Definitely through the rest of the winter and spring. During the summer it's not as influential or well-defined of an oscillation, and is usually unpredictable. How it is behaving into the month of May will be what we will want to look at.
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1172. Patrap
Dr. Jeff Masters recently on MSNBC


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Levi, what's ur take on how long this flip in the AO will last?
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1169. Levi32
SST change in the Atlantic between Feb. 1st and Feb. 10th shows the clear influence of the flip in the Arctic Oscillation, increasing trade winds over the eastern Atlantic. The SE US warm-up is also evident.

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1168. Ossqss
1145

It is called Censorship !

Perhaps it is time for the non-lefties to band together like the herd of lefties do and start banging the minus button on every single post some folks make. Of course Admin would override it to keep its fundamental agenda highly visible. LOL

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.. the wunderful world of pre season?
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Quoting Cochise111:


New research indicates that oil is not a finite resource and is probably not based on prehistoric fossil sources at all. It might be a "by-product" of the earth's magma. Old oil fields which were once thought empty are refilling. Of course, no greenie wants face that horrible dilemma.

Sorry im not a fan of oil spills.
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Quoting RecordSeason:
The cross sectional area of an automobile, as seen from above, and depending on make and model, is anywhere from around 11 m^2 to 17m^2.

There are 750 million automobiles in the world today, not counting the stuff in junk yards.

Using the lower end of 11m^2 for cross sectional area given a bird's-eye-view, that comes to 8,250,000,000m^2 worth of automobiles.

If the surface temps and air temps in an automobile average 40 to 50 degrees above ambient, even when they are doing nothing but sitting in your yard or driveway, then look how much area that is being "heated" by absorbing abnormally high amounts of solar energy vs ambient environment.

That is 8,250 square kilometers, or 3222 square miles.

This is literally heating an area the size of Rhode Island and Delaware combined by 40f to 50f (and a meter and a half or so in height). This is hust by sitting there! There is no engine running, no CO2 being made, and no fuel consumed.


Now imagine how much extra radiation, compared to "natural" ambient, is absorbed and converted to heat by roads, bridges, buildings, and ships, which are all much larger systems! I-10 in Lousiana alone is something like 4.5 square miles of concrete, even if you neglect the portions that are 3 and 4 lanes, the on/off ramps, and things like side rails on bridges and overpasses.

Now all of these surfaces absorb a higher percentage of radiation and convert it to thermal energy.

In contrast, naural surfaces either reflect most light, or they absorb it and store it in the form of chemical energy via photosynthesis.

You can put your hand on some grass in the middle of summer and it is cool to the touch. You can put your hand on an adjacent concrete or asphault road and it is baking, and even hurts to touch.

This has nothing to do with insulating properties. If the insulating properties were the most important aspect of the phenomenon, you wouldn't feel the excess heat, because...yeah...insulators don't transfer heat very well. The insulating apsects would explain why concrete is so hot even long after sun set. It would not explain why it is blazing hot, tens or scores of degrees above ambient, during the day.

On the contrary, it happens because the road is simply absorbing that much more radiation than the ambient environment, and converting it to thermal energy. Even "white" or "grey" concrete absorbs more energy than natural surfaces.

So the "urban heat island" effect is much more than just an "insulating" effect, and more than just an "urban" effect.

Most of I-10 land area in Louisiana is actually outside the cities, for example.

So just a relatively small portion of the length of one major road has a land area in excess of 4.5 square miles. I suppose there is somewhere to find the total square footage of asphault and concrete roads in the U.S. or the world. Answers dot com says 2,734,102 miles of paved public roads in the u.s.

So this is probably linear miles, not area. This doesn't count un-paved public roads, and it doesn't count paved driveways or parking lots or paved private roads.

Even if we treated this as "only" a 2 lane standard two-way road, that would be around 11,400 square miles of asphault and concrete, not counting rails or shoulders of the roads, or roads with more than two lanes, etc. Which is roughly 4 times the area of Rhode Island and Delaware combined.

Now consider all those big ole 1/8th, 1/4, or even half a square mile parking lots at Wal-Mart or your favorite shopping mall or other shopping centers, as well as your 800 to 1000 suare ft concrete drive way, etc.


You seem to be trying to make a point about urban heat islands but it seems you're under some mis-impressions.

There are two components to the heat island effect. First, you need materials that absorb more heat than natural surroundings. Of course, natural surroundings can vary so what constitutes this may vary depending on location. Second, those materials have to re-radiate that heat at a higher rate than their natural surroundings. Again natural surroundings vary, so this is not constant either.

Cars are not good heat island candidates because they are not good heat sinks. In direct sunlight, they can heat up, however they radiate that heat quickly. And of course, cars in garages or in the shade don't heat up all that much. Then of course, there is the asphalt or concrete underneath the car that won't heat up, which will vary with the angle of the sun. So you need to do a heat sink comparison between the car and the materials and area blocked by the car.

Asphalt, concrete, and other construction materials on the other hand store heat energy and re-radiate it more gradually, though higher than most natural surroundings. Even though the sinks themselves are fairly shallow, they are spread over a wide area. This allows for them to heat up their surrounding areas a little higher than compared to their natural surroundings during the day (depending on their albedo) and take a little longer to cool off at night.

That being said, there is no more or less energy being put into the environment. The amount of energy hitting a square meter of asphalt is no different than the amount of energy hitting a square meter of sand. The only difference is how that energy is stored and/or re-radiated.

Sand has a higher albedo and lower heat capacity than asphalt. Instead of absorbing the incoming radiation, sand will re-radiate a good deal of it back into the air. Hence, deserts often get broiling hot during the day but get pretty cold at night. There's nothing to hang onto the heat.

Asphalt on the other hand, has a lower albedo and a higher heat capacity. It takes a little longer for asphalt to heat up, but it can hold more heat. It also doesn't radiate heat as fast as sand, so takes longer to cool down.

However, in the end they will both radiate the same amount of heat to reach equilibrium with their surroundings. Neither sand nor asphalt create heat out of nothing.

To demonstrate, assume a world completely covered in sand and another world completely covered in asphalt. They will both receive the exact same amount of energy from the sun. However, the world covered in sand would be a world of extremes. During the day, the world of sand would be a blazing inferno. During the night it would be bitter cold, as all the heat from the day would radiate off very quickly.

On the other hand, the world covered in asphalt would be more moderated. It would heat up during the day, but it wouldn't get quite so hot since a larger amount of the sun's energy was being absorbed as opposed to being reflected. During the night, it would cool off more gradually as the stored heat of the day was gradually re-radiated into the atmosphere.

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make since you never really state one, but if you're trying to imply global warming being caused by heat islands then you're mistaken. Heat islands do not result in stratospheric cooling.
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LOOK.

STOP BICKERING!!!!!!

Right now no scientific argument is being presented by either side in a way that edifies this blog. All I'm seeing posted since I came back is snide remarks and u-say-I-say personal attacks.

Frankly, the entire debate has been pretty much exhausted here; nobody's bringing any new arguments to the table (the closest was Levi's mention of some something in Alaska) and the rest of it is just annoying. I'm at the point where I'm just going to minus anybody who is only commenting on another blogger's post to say things like "denialist" "creationist" etc, or denigrate somebody else's level of education, age, or scientific knowledge. It's beyond ridiculous now.

If this is all you have to contribute to the blog today, for the Lord's sake get off the blog and go do something else. Can we talk about coldest winter in 10+ years? Worst hit on Queensland in 100 years? Bingiza? Upcoming hurricane conference? Hurricane history? World stats?

Man, there's much more to talk about than this crap from the global warming obsessed. Please NOTE the doc has a LIFE and can talk about something else!!!!!!
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Quoting BahaHurican:
LOL.... yeah, I'd be using it on about 80% of the posts we've had in the last 24 - 36 hours... everybody's calling everybody else a name, then putting a chart after it.... they've beat so many dead horses of different colours that the leather has been tanned [scraped and ever'thing] well enough to make shoes for every blogger, lurking and posting.... and Bingiza STILL hasn't made landfall...

Definitely need another button....
Some people I wonder about on this site.Are their lives really that miserable and low that they have to go and attack people.
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Quoting Neapolitan:

You beat me to it. AO is just wishful thinking on the part of folks unwilling or unable to realize that readily-available, commercially-viable petroleum is running out. You can hear lots about it on Glenn Beck and Alex Jones sandwiched in between 9/11 conspiracy theories, Birther nonsense, and stories about Obama's secret membership in the Muslim Brotherhood. ;-)


You know, you remind me of the Catholic Church during the time of Galileo. Unable to accept anything that you know nothing about. If hydrocarbons were formed from decaying plants and animals, why is it that hydrocarbons are detected on other planets?
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Quoting jpritch:
While trying to catch up on the last 24 hours or so of postings, I have come to the conclusion that we need a "WTF?" button next to the +, -, and !.
LOL.... yeah, I'd be using it on about 80% of the posts we've had in the last 24 - 36 hours... everybody's calling everybody else a name, then putting a chart after it.... they've beat so many dead horses of different colours that the leather has been tanned [scraped and ever'thing] well enough to make shoes for every blogger, lurking and posting.... and Bingiza STILL hasn't made landfall...

Definitely need another button....
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Quoting Levi32:


Maybe you should back up your personal attack with proof of your accusation. I don't think you can, though.

You really want me to provide specific details about atmoaggie's personal, academic and work history here on the blogs?

You may want to run that by him before you answer.

added: I'll tell you what, just ask atmoaggie to send you a copy of his CV; then you can check it out for yourself.


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Quoting washingtonian115:
No one knows anyone's personal lives on here.So you nor I don't know if it's the truth or a lie.Let it be.Wait?.Why am I fighting someone else's battle?.I'm out of here.

Just because you've never encountered someone here that you've known previously doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

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1158. Levi32
Quoting misanthrope:

Maybe you make too many assumptions?



Maybe you should back up your personal attack with proof of your accusation. I don't think you can, though.
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1157. Patrap
If you see your handle,,your reaching,,if it iz greyed out,,u not to well received

Every comment has a + or - to it,,as folks rate the posts.

When one logs out,its what non-members see Globally.

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Quoting Levi32:


I didn't know you knew Atmo well enough to have a clue what kind of qualifications he has.

Maybe you make too many assumptions?

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1155. Ossqss
Nasa Stereo live imagery and site



http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stereo/main/ind ex.html

SDO if interested , L8R

http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/
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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
snow shovel for what snow is melting here and by friday may be very little if any will be left at all


If there is any justice in the world.. it will snow again this year in the "Centre of the Universe" :)
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Quoting misanthrope:

So, if someone says something that I know to be an out and out lie and I call them on it, you consider that to be a personal attack?

Where I come from, we call it not letting folks get away with BS. I guess your too PC a guy for that kind of thing?

No one knows anyone's personal lives on here.So you nor I don't know if it's the truth or a lie.Let it be.Wait?.Why am I fighting someone else's battle?.I'm out of here.
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1152. cg2916
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


Uh oh
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1151. Patrap
After 20 Years, LSU-Auburn Game Still An Earthshaking Experience


LSU Tigers 7

Auburn Tigers 6

The Earthquake Game is the name given to a famous college football game played in front of a crowd of 79,431 at Louisiana State University's Tiger Stadium on October 8, 1988.

The game pitted Southeastern Conference rival Auburn Tigers against LSU and was one of the more notable games in the Auburn LSU rivalry. Along with national rankings, at stake was the eventual SEC title. The stadium was filled to capacity and the game was being broadcast on ESPN.

Auburn led the game 6-0 with less than two minutes remaining in the 4th quarter. LSU's quarterback Tommy Hodson drove the team down the field before finally throwing a last chance 4th down touchdown pass to Eddie Fuller. The reaction of the crowd was detected by a seismograph located in LSU’s Howe-Russell Geoscience Complex around 1,000 feet (305 m) from the stadium.





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1150. Levi32
Quoting misanthrope:

So, if someone says something that I know to be an out an out lie and I call them on it, you consider that to be a personal attack?

Where I come from, we call it not letting folks get away with BS. I guess your too PC a guy for that kind of thing?



I didn't know you knew Atmo well enough to have a clue what kind of qualifications he has.
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