Ice storm cripples Houston; Yasi the 2nd costliest Australian storm on record

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:13 PM GMT on February 04, 2011

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A significant ice storm is in progress across southeast Texas, much of Louisiana, northern Mississippi, and southern Arkansas this morning, as the latest onslaught from the memorable winter of 2010 - 2011 continues. Houston, Texas recorded 1/10" - 1/4" inch of ice so far from the storm, resulting in a crippling of that city's transportation system. Numerous crashes have closed many area roads, and flights at local airports have been largely halted. Snowfalls of 1 - 3 inches will occur today along the northern edge of the ice storm region, in a swath from northeast Texas to western Kentucky. The storm will move into New England on Saturday, but will not bring heavy snow. The next chance for heavy snow occurs next Wednesday and Thursday, when the GFS model is predicting the formation of a winter storm capable of dropping a foot of snow in the Appalachians and inland areas of New England. However, it is too early to put much faith in this forecast.


Figure 1. Trees snapped off along the Chicago lakefront by winds from the Blizzard of 2011. Image credit: viewer uploaded photo from WGN.

Revisiting the Chicago blizzard
This week's blizzard in Chicago dropped 20.2" of snow on the city, Chicago's third-greatest snowstorm on record. But the tremendous winds that accompanied the blizzard--gusting to 61 mph at O'Hare Airport, and 70 mph at the Lakefront--made the storm Chicago's worst-ever blizzard as far as impacts on travel. Another remarkable feature of the storm were the intense thunderstorms that developed. According to an excellent write-up on the storm posted by the Chicago National Weather Service office, the Blizzard of 2011 had 63 lightning strikes, and several reports of hail. The most extraordinary hourly observation I've ever seen in a U.S. winter storm came at 9:51pm on February 1 at Chicago's Midway Field: A heavy thunderstorm with lightning, heavy snow, small hail or ice pellets, freezing fog, blowing snow, visibility 300 feet, a wind gust of 56 mph, and a temperature of 21°F. Welcome to the Midwest! Thanks go to meteorologist Steve Gregory for pointing this observation out to me.


Figure 2. Snow amounts from the February 1 - 3 blizzard of 2011 peaked at over 2 feet along the shore of Lake Michigan between Chicago and Milwaukee. Strong northeasterly winds pulled moist air off of the Lake in this region, allowing the "lake effect" to enhance the blizzard's snows in this region. Image credit: Chicago National Weather Service office.

Tropical Cyclone Yasi the second most damaging storm in Australia's history
Tropical Cyclone Yasi has dissipated, but the damage totals from the storm make it Australia's second most expensive tropical cyclone of all-time, according to Tropical Storm Risk, Inc. The storm's $3.5 billion price tag is second only to Cyclone Tracy, which hit Darwin on Christmas Day 1974, doing $3.6 billion in damage (2011 dollars.) Yasi roared inland over Queensland, Australia at 12:30am local time on Thursday as a strengthening Category 4 storm with 155 mph winds and a 930 mb central pressure. The cyclone missed the most populous cities on the coast, Cairns and Townsville, but damaged up to 90% of the buildings in the small towns near where the eye passed--Tully, Mission Beach, and Cardwell. A storm surge of 5.4 meters (17.7 feet) was observed at Cardwell, and there was substantial surge damage at the coast. Fortunately, the storm surge hit near low tide, resulting in a storm tide--the height of the water above land--of about 4.5 meters, more than 2 meters below what would have occurred had Yasi hit at high tide. Yasi moved quickly enough across Queensland after landfall so that major flooding was limited to just three locations near the coast. Yasi's central pressure of 930 mb at landfall made the storm the most intense recorded in Queensland since at least 1918, and possibly since 1899. In 1918, there were two cyclones (at Mackay and Innisfail) with measured pressures in the upper 920s/low 930s, but it is quite plausible that the minimum central pressures were lower than that. The 1899 (Mahina/Bathurst Bay) cyclone had a measured pressure (ship near shore) of 914 mb.


Figure 3. The tide gauge at Carwell, Australia during passage of Tropical Cyclone Yasi recorded a 5.4 meter (17.7') storm surge (red line). Since the surge came near low tide, the storm tide--the height of the surge above mean water--was only 4.5 meters (blue line). The storm tide would have been more than 2 meters higher had Yasi hit at high tide, and the damage from coastal flooding would have been huge. The green line shows the expected water levels at Cardwell due to the tide. Image credit: Queensland government.


Figure 4. Tropical Cyclone Yasi at 04:15 UTC February 3, 2011, as seen by NASA's Aqua satellite.

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Quoting JRRP:

why the have the solar cycle since 1980 ???


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I trend toward the peer reviewed data and scientific consensus one could say.

Plus 51 years of my own observations tossed in.




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Arctic sea ice has still not frozen around Jakobshavn Isbrae (!!!!!!!). If this persists past the normal extent maximum, I am going to scream "Gulf Stream West Greenland Diversion Anomaly!".

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Quoting Patrap:

Climate Model Indications and the Observed Climate




Simulated global temperature in experiments that include human influences (pink line), and model experiments that included only natural factors (blue line). The black line is observed temperature change.



Global climate models clearly show the effect of human-induced changes on global temperatures. The blue band shows how global temperatures would have changed due to natural forces only (without human influence). The pink band shows model projections of the effects of human and natural forces combined. The black line shows actual observed global average temperatures. The close match between the black line and the pink band indicates that observed warming over the last half-century cannot be explained by natural factors alone, and is instead caused primarily by human factors.


You post that chart quite a bit,
patrap. So do you really think man-made climate models are truly accurate enough to use as proof of AGW? IMO, there's no way humanity has enough knowledge and measurements of the world in the 20th century to make such "small-errored" projections of the future.
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Oddly, the only place in the world out of about 25 locations where the trend in average annual temperatures has not exceeded the range for natural variation...is Alaska.

Dun dun dun.

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Global surface temperature (top, blue) and the Sun's energy received at the top of Earth's atmosphere (red, bottom). Solar energy has been measured by satellites since 1978.

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275. DEKRE
Quoting Levi32:


...(the last 2 winters have everyone hyped up about AGW being the automatic cause).


Obviously, this is as silly as your insistence that it is not.

It will take at least a decade before we can form an opinion.

You know that. And I know you know that.
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274. JRRP
Quoting Patrap:
Anytime one see's a post with "wacked out and You" attached to it,,or "them people"


One should give it all the credence it deserves.


Science




why the have the solar cycle since 1980 ???
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Climate Model Indications and the Observed Climate




Simulated global temperature in experiments that include human influences (pink line), and model experiments that included only natural factors (blue line). The black line is observed temperature change.



Global climate models clearly show the effect of human-induced changes on global temperatures. The blue band shows how global temperatures would have changed due to natural forces only (without human influence). The pink band shows model projections of the effects of human and natural forces combined. The black line shows actual observed global average temperatures. The close match between the black line and the pink band indicates that observed warming over the last half-century cannot be explained by natural factors alone, and is instead caused primarily by human factors.
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Quoting DEKRE:


Depends where you are - there is more to the world than just your backyard.

There is more snow in New England, and there is a hell of a lot less in our part of the world, the second winter in a row.

Take off your blinkers


So AGW causes LESS annual average snowfall internationally, does it? I thought it was the other way now. Or is it both?

Link

Truth be told, no one knows for sure. We need to stop blaming EVERYTHING on AGW. What Neo said in post 243 is very true.
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Can't have snow without cold.
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Quoting DEKRE:


Depends where you are - there is more to the world than just your backyard.

There is more snow in New England, and there is a hell of a lot less in our part of the world, the second winter in a row.

Take off your blinkers


I know that. And you know I know that.

Yet, AGW scientists have gone back and forth almost every year on whether AGW is causing less snow in the eastern US (an article in the New York Times a couple years back citing climatologists talked of kids forgetting how to sled), or causing more of it (the last 2 winters have everyone hyped up about AGW being the automatic cause).
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Anytime one see's a post with "wacked out and You" attached to it,,or "them people"


One should give it all the credence it deserves.


Science



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Quoting Cochise111:


Well which is it? Does it increase snowfall or decrease snowfall? Does it increase the number of hurricanes or decrease the number? Don't say it's the media. I've heard many so-called experts eating crow over their predictions.


These "experts" on both sides will use whatever is actually happening to "prove" his/her point, regardless of the scientific truth.

Of course, they only do this because it's what their specific audiences want to hear. People like hearing what they want to hear: Thus, the existence of cable news!

It is sad that the scientific method is being thrown astray in favor of radical "hype machines" on both sides of any issue. Our world is quickly becoming inhabited by sheeple. Oh, the humanity!
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267. DEKRE
Quoting Levi32:


...Either AGW causes more snow or causes it to disappear....


Depends where you are - there is more to the world than just your backyard.

There is more snow in New England, and there is a hell of a lot less in our part of the world, the second winter in a row.

Take off your blinkers
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Quoting johnbone:


Comparing Yasi to Katrina in terms of disasters isn't really fair, though, since Katrina's flooding of NOLA and surge damage along the Mississippi coast was arguably more of an inevitable, man-made disaster, while Yasi made landfall in a relatively lees inhabited area, thus not destroying as much. I would group the two in separate categories.
Yeah.Not as many people lost their lives,or not as many structures were destroyed.It just isn't fair to group Katrina,and Yasi together.Now in terms of both being the greatest natrual disasters in their country/state then yeah sure.But when you talk about lost of life/damage their just isn't any coparsing.
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Quoting Levi32:


They've gone back and forth on that too with the United States and Europe, saying either snow disappears or becomes deeper in the winters. I tire of it.

The other funny thing is that historically, temperature variability lessens tremendously when the climate is warm during interglacials. The more energy that is contained within a system, the less an absolute change matters relative to the total energy.


Factors augmented by climate warming potentially increasing snowfall:

-More Polar vortex Arctic air blasts
-Warmer subtropical oceans
-Increased evaporation from water bodies
-Stronger cyclonic lows
-More intense ENSO periods
-Negative AO and NAO
-Gulf Stream fluctuations
-Arctic air being driven into continental interiors
-Less ice cover on lake-effect potential lakes and seas
-More latitude-variable jet streams
-More latent heat energy available
-Larger storms

Factors augmented by climate warming potentially decreasing snowfall:

-Drier air over continental interiors
-Cooler subpolar oceans from freshwater melt
-Much higher average temprature causing melting
-Shrinking of lake-effect potential water bodies
-Prolonged winter drought
-Positive AO and NAO
-Weaker temperature gradient
-Gulf Stream fluctuations
-Poleward meandering of jet stream
-Earlier melting and later freezing
-Greater influxes of tropical air

Factors augmented by climate warming potentially increasing ice storm frequency:

-Slight increase in average wintertime temperature
-Stronger cyclonic lows
-Sub-freezing surface temperatures but thermal inversions
-Stronger ENSO episodes
-Increased jet stream meandering
-Greater subtropical influx
-Expansion of ice-favouring warm front temperature zones

Those are just a few factors for winter storms. Think of all the variables affected in a non-linear process for flooding and droughts in the same areas.
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Quoting Patrap:
The media aint Science.

Its the media.


Thus da "Confusion" usually.




Well which is it? Does it increase snowfall or decrease snowfall? Does it increase the number of hurricanes or decrease the number? Don't say it's the media. I've heard many so-called experts eating crow over their predictions.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Mean while over in australia they're trying to compare cyclone Yasi to Katrina.Sorry guys maybe next time.But Yasi is no Katrina.Yasi is more of an Andrew.katrina cannot be touched.Obviously australians havn't seen the full extent of what Katrina really did to the Gulf coast,and Florida.


Comparing Yasi to Katrina in terms of disasters isn't really fair, though, since Katrina's flooding of NOLA and surge damage along the Mississippi coast was arguably more of an inevitable, man-made disaster, while Yasi made landfall in a relatively lees inhabited area, thus not destroying as much. I would group the two in separate categories.
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262. JRRP
Quoting Xyrus2000:


Do not use media articles to prove scientific points. The science is hardly ever right, quotes are often misleading and taken out of context, and more often than not some innocuous claim is over-hyped to attract more eyeballs.

Then there is, of course, personal interpretation for what the person interviewed was actually trying to say, which will be heavily colored by the bias of the media organization.

Media is driven by limited time slices and column spaces trying to attract the largest number of people by using the most sensationalistic stories. Keep that in mind when pointing to news articles to back up your points, regardless of issue.

ooo now is wrong eh ???
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Mean while over in australia they're trying to compare cyclone Yasi to Katrina.Sorry guys maybe next time.But Yasi is no Katrina.Yasi is more of an Andrew.katrina cannot be touched.Obviously australians havn't seen the full extent of what Katrina really did to the Gulf coast,and Florida.
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Quoting JRRP:

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past
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Do not use media articles to prove scientific points. The science is hardly ever right, quotes are often misleading and taken out of context, and more often than not some innocuous claim is over-hyped to attract more eyeballs.

Then there is, of course, personal interpretation for what the person interviewed was actually trying to say, which will be heavily colored by the bias of the media organization.

Media is driven by limited time slices and column spaces trying to attract the largest number of people by using the most sensationalistic stories. Keep that in mind when pointing to news articles to back up your points, regardless of issue.
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Quoting Jedkins01:


Wrong, I am not a conservative, I don't watch Fox News, I am a moderate, I follow along the lines of moderation. Something that is extremely rare, I thank God and my parents for that.

Both Liberal News Media and Conservative News media lie and have ridiculous biases. But of course you think its all the ignorant Conservatives. Too bad both Liberals and Conservatives are blind extremists.

No wonder you wacked out Liberals panic over Global Warming and worship the Earth. And now wonder Conservatives idiotically think its ok to trash the environment and waste resources. Both sides are wrong.

Nice try though.


Well said.
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Quoting Neapolitan:

No, that would be your good friends over at Fox:

ENVIRONMENT/TODAY: Global Warming Causing More Snow? Come Again? -- FoxNews.com Deadline: Feb 01, 2011 11:00 PM EST

Former Vice President Al Gore told Bill O'Reilly that: "A rise in global temperature can create all sorts of havoc, ranging from hotter dry spells to colder winters, along with increasingly violent storms, flooding, forest fires and loss of endangered species." We need comments from someone who can point out the ridiculousness of his argument, even if you accept the somewhat-implausible argument. I've been assigned this story just now by Fox News in New York for the science and technology desk. I'm looking for comments. Please send comments via e-mail. Please send your name, title and company you represent. Please send comments by 10 p.m. CST. Contact: Gene Koprowski


Did you catch that? Yep, that sounds like honest and credible--and "fair and balanced"--science reporting, if you ask me.

Remember: Fox News makes you stupid. It's time to kick the habit. ;-)


Wrong, I am not a conservative, I don't watch Fox News, I am a moderate, I follow along the lines of moderation. Something that is extremely rare, I thank God and my parents for that.

Both Liberal News Media and Conservative News media lie and have ridiculous biases. But of course you think its all the ignorant Conservatives. Too bad both Liberals and Conservatives are blind extremists.

No wonder you wacked out Liberals panic over Global Warming and worship the Earth. And now wonder Conservatives idiotically think its ok to trash the environment and waste resources. Both sides are wrong.

Nice try though.
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Quoting Levi32:


They've gone back and forth on that too with the United States and Europe, saying either snow disappears or becomes deeper in the winters. I tire of it.

The other funny thing is that historically, temperature variability lessens tremendously when the climate is warm during interglacials. The more energy that is contained within a system, the less an absolute change matters relative to the total energy.


This is true locally and seasonally as well. For example, look at a typical calender year of surface temperatures in the arctic. Notice the large variations in the winter but extremely small variation in the summer.

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Quoting Neapolitan:

I've got no liberal agenda; I'm only concerned with science. Fox fails that. Whether that upsets you or anyone else isn't my concern; I merely speak the truth, and that truth should never bother anyone.

I wish someone would explain to me just why it is that every time AGW is mentioned, denialists feel the need drag politics into the discussion. ;-)


When did I say I was a "denialist?"

You were the one who dragged politics into the discussion by linking that article. I was merely responding to its claims.

I've been lurking for a while on this blog, and it is obvious to me (as well as to everyone else) that you strongly believe in a certain progressive agenda. Don't deny it.

Regarding AGW, You make many valid arguments, as well as Levi, Patrap and others. I don't mind AGW discussion, just stop polluting the blog with politics. (And don't act like you didn't start it.)

That's all I'm saying on the matter. ;)
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:


No. Absolutely untrue. It can cause more snowstorms in certain places and fewer big snowfalls in other areas, and the effects can be different from year to year. Precipitation can be affected by a climate forcing in a way that causes greater variations over shorter periods of time, in effect producing floods and droughts in the same areas. You can't say that AGW either causes flooding or drought, because it varies greatly between oscillations and between different regions. The effect is even the same for temperature, as dramatic heat waves and cold waves can easily hit the same areas over the span of a year due to warming in the system increasing the likelihood of this happening. Climate is not a one-way system, especially for precipitation. Another thing, an area could for example suffer from more lake-effect snowsqualls due to less freezing of the lakes until 2030, when the pattern reverses and less overall precipitation arrives in the area.


They've gone back and forth on that too with the United States and Europe, saying either snow disappears or becomes deeper in the winters. I tire of it.

The other funny thing is that historically, temperature variability lessens tremendously when the climate is warm during interglacials. The more energy that is contained within a system, the less an absolute change matters relative to the total energy.
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Phox Phans ?

Bill O'Reilly

Okay, how did the moon get there? How'd the moon get there? Look, you pinheads who attacked me for this, you guys are just desperate. How'd the moon get there? How'd the sun get there? How'd it get there? Can you explain that to me? How come we have that and Mars doesn't have it? Venus doesn't have it. How come? Why not? How'd it get here?



Phascinating Stuff
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Quoting Levi32:


Which is why we can't properly model it. For a theory that is "inevitable and undeniable," AGW sure swings back and forth an awful lot.


What's likely happening is that the warming is increasing both the amplitude and intensity of natural oscillations in a way difficult to predict by computer models, and this alone does not disprove warming. That's like saying because it was warm one week in Milwaukee and cold another week, the natural climate has returned and global warming is false. Moreover, oscillations such as the PDO and AMO cannot supercede an existing trend in global temperatures, so even having all oscillations jumping to their cool phase will not cancel out long-term warming.
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Quoting weatherlover94:


The Mid Atlantic has been slammed with snow storms this season
Um hell no we haven't,becuase if that was the case,I would be happier than a lion that just cuaght it's pray.
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Quoting Neapolitan:

No, that would be your good friends over at Fox:

ENVIRONMENT/TODAY: Global Warming Causing More Snow? Come Again? -- FoxNews.com Deadline: Feb 01, 2011 11:00 PM EST

Former Vice President Al Gore told Bill O'Reilly that: "A rise in global temperature can create all sorts of havoc, ranging from hotter dry spells to colder winters, along with increasingly violent storms, flooding, forest fires and loss of endangered species." We need comments from someone who can point out the ridiculousness of his argument, even if you accept the somewhat-implausible argument. I've been assigned this story just now by Fox News in New York for the science and technology desk. I'm looking for comments. Please send comments via e-mail. Please send your name, title and company you represent. Please send comments by 10 p.m. CST. Contact: Gene Koprowski


Did you catch that? Yep, that sounds like honest and credible--and "fair and balanced"--science reporting, if you ask me.

Remember: Fox News makes you stupid. It's time to kick the habit. ;-)


Let's have a little closer look at that study :)

http://www.mrc.org/bozellcolumns/columns/2010/20101230093605.aspx

How about the actual questions/responses also that draw such a bold conclusion. Interesting is it not? Talk about misinformation and peer review? The beauty of liberal spinsters ! LOL

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/dec10/Misinformation_Dec10_quaire.pdf
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Quoting Levi32:


Thank you. The media can't have it both ways. Either AGW causes more snow or causes it to disappear. Make up your minds. The fact that I've heard both opinions argued by climate scientists over the last 5 years says a lot to me about how jumpy the theory is, going from one thing to another constantly.


No. Absolutely untrue. It can cause more snowstorms in certain places and fewer big snowfalls in other areas, and the effects can be different from year to year. Precipitation can be affected by a climate forcing in a way that causes greater variations over shorter periods of time, in effect producing floods and droughts in the same areas. You can't say that AGW either causes flooding or drought, because it varies greatly between oscillations and between different regions. The effect is even the same for temperature, as dramatic heat waves and cold waves can easily hit the same areas over the span of a year due to warming in the system increasing the likelihood of this happening. Climate is not a one-way system, especially for precipitation. Another thing, an area could for example suffer from more lake-effect snowsqualls due to less freezing of the lakes until 2030, when the pattern reverses and less overall precipitation arrives in the area.
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Quoting Patrap:
The media aint Science.

Its the media.


Thus da "Confusion" usually.




Take a gander at #241.
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January 31, 2011, 4:56 pm
Wyoming Senator Seeks to Lasso E.P.A.
By JOHN M. BRODER




Green: Politics

Senator John Barrasso, Republican of Wyoming, introduced legislation on Monday to block the Environmental Protection Agency from taking any action to regulate greenhouse gases to address climate change. His broadly written bill is one of several assaults on the E.P.A.’s regulatory authority that will be coming from Republicans and coal-state Democrats in both houses of Congress in coming days
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Quoting Neapolitan:

The atmosphere is much more complex than many people realize.


Which is why we can't properly model it. For a theory that is "inevitable and undeniable," AGW sure swings back and forth an awful lot.
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Quoting johnbone:
Stop spreading your liberal agenda to the many moderate and level-headed wunderbloggers and lurkers that just want to share an receive info on the weather. Climate change discussion is ok imo, because it is a relevant subject matter, but stop trying to make a political statement. ;)

I've got no liberal agenda; I'm only concerned with science. Fox fails that. Whether that upsets you or anyone else isn't my concern; I merely speak the truth, and that truth should never bother anyone.

I wish someone would explain to me just why it is that every time AGW is mentioned, denialists feel the need drag politics into the discussion. ;-)
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Quoting Levi32:


Thank you. The media can't have it both ways. Either AGW causes more snow or causes it to disappear. Make up your minds. The fact that I've heard both opinions argued by climate scientists over the last 5 years says a lot to me about how jumpy the theory is, going from one thing to another constantly.

The atmosphere is much more complex than many people realize.
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Here's another example. Both of these quotes are from the National Snow and Ice Data Center:

"The Arctic Oscillation (AO) is a see-saw pattern of alternating atmospheric pressure at polar and mid-latitudes. The positive phase produces a strong polar vortex, with the mid-latitude jet stream shifted northward. The negative phase produces the opposite conditions. From the 1950s to the 1980s, the AO flipped between positive and negative phases, but it entered a strong positive pattern between 1989 and 1995. So the acceleration in the sea ice decline since the mid 1990s may have been partly triggered by the strongly positive AO mode during the preceding years (Rigor et al. 2002 and Rigor and Wallace 2004) that flushed older, thicker ice out of the Arctic, but other factors also played a role."


But here is a recent headline on their news page:

"Arctic Oscillation brings record low January extent, unusual mid-latitude weather
Arctic sea ice extent for January 2011 was the lowest in the satellite record for that month. The Arctic oscillation persisted in its strong negative phase for most of the month, keeping ice extent low.
"


"As in December 2010, the warm temperatures in January came from two sources: unfrozen areas of the ocean continued to release heat to the atmosphere, and the wind patterns accompanying the negative phase of the Arctic oscillation brought warm air into the Arctic. Near the end of January the negative Arctic oscillation pattern broke down and turned positive, which usually favors ice growth."


What? Make up your minds. Furthermore, although the recent blame for arctic sea ice loss has been the negative AO, the IPCC projections show a more dominantly positive AO as time goes on, and cite it as the primary cause of future sea ice loss.


University of Illinois IPCC Arctic GCM Scenarios
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Science


Media
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The media aint Science.

Its the media.


Thus da "Confusion" usually.


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Quoting Neapolitan:

No, that would be your good friends over at Fox:

ENVIRONMENT/TODAY: Global Warming Causing More Snow? Come Again? -- FoxNews.com Deadline: Feb 01, 2011 11:00 PM EST

Former Vice President Al Gore told Bill O'Reilly that: "A rise in global temperature can create all sorts of havoc, ranging from hotter dry spells to colder winters, along with increasingly violent storms, flooding, forest fires and loss of endangered species." We need comments from someone who can point out the ridiculousness of his argument, even if you accept the somewhat-implausible argument. I've been assigned this story just now by Fox News in New York for the science and technology desk. I'm looking for comments. Please send comments via e-mail. Please send your name, title and company you represent. Please send comments by 10 p.m. CST. Contact: Gene Koprowski


Did you catch that? Yep, that sounds like honest and credible--and "fair and balanced" science reporting, if you ask me.

Remember: Fox News makes you stupid. It's time to kick the habit. ;-)


So you're telling me that you believe in news being "fair and balanced," and yet you believe the garbage written in that obviously biased article you linked?

They used an undisclosed and questionable polling method to "extrapolate data" from an unspecified audience, using these points:


In eight of the nine questions below, Fox News placed first in the percentage of those who were misinformed (they placed second in the question on TARP). That%u2019s a pretty high batting average for journalistic fraud. Here is a list of what Fox News viewers believe that just aint so:

* 91 percent believe the stimulus legislation lost jobs
* 72 percent believe the health reform law will increase the deficit
* 72 percent believe the economy is getting worse
* 60 percent believe climate change is not occurring
* 49 percent believe income taxes have gone up
* 63 percent believe the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts
* 56 percent believe Obama initiated the GM/Chrysler bailout
* 38 percent believe that most Republicans opposed TARP
* 63 percent believe Obama was not born in the U.S. (or that it is unclear)

At least 5 of those questions are still debatable, and two of them (* 72 percent believe the health reform law will increase the deficit* 72 percent believe the economy is getting worse) are, in fact, easily justifiable both ways, if you consider a "worsening economy" to be a loss of jobs(Link), an increase in discouraged workers (who don't count in unemployment statistics), and an increase in the national debt(Link).

Stop spreading your liberal agenda to the many moderate and level-headed wunderbloggers and lurkers that just want to share an receive info on the weather. Climate change discussion is ok imo, because it is a relevant subject matter, but stop trying to make a political statement. ;)
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Quoting JRRP:

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past
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Thank you. The media can't have it both ways. Either AGW causes more snow or causes it to disappear. Make up your minds. The fact that I've heard both opinions argued by climate scientists over the last 5 years says a lot to me about how jumpy the theory is, going from one thing to another constantly.
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Quoting weatherlover94:
Sorry to get off subject here but if anyone knows how to change your profile and Blog photo that shows up when we comment on Dr Masters blog would you please send me a personal message to let me know...Thanks

Click your avatar,,delete the pic you want to remove,upload the one you want ,,but check the Primary Portrait box to make your it yer avatar.
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Quoting Neapolitan:

No, that would be your good friends over at Fox:

ENVIRONMENT/TODAY: Global Warming Causing More Snow? Come Again? -- FoxNews.com Deadline: Feb 01, 2011 11:00 PM EST

Former Vice President Al Gore told Bill O'Reilly that: "A rise in global temperature can create all sorts of havoc, ranging from hotter dry spells to colder winters, along with increasingly violent storms, flooding, forest fires and loss of endangered species." We need comments from someone who can point out the ridiculousness of his argument, even if you accept the somewhat-implausible argument. I've been assigned this story just now by Fox News in New York for the science and technology desk. I'm looking for comments. Please send comments via e-mail. Please send your name, title and company you represent. Please send comments by 10 p.m. CST. Contact: Gene Koprowski


Did you catch that? Yep, that sounds like honest and credible--and "fair and balanced" science reporting, if you ask me.

Remember: Fox News makes you stupid. It's time to kick the habit. ;-)

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past
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Sorry to get off subject here but if anyone knows how to change your profile and Blog photo that shows up when we comment on Dr Masters blog would you please send me a personal message to let me know...Thanks
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Quoting hydrus:
This could be very bad for New England..Link Two storms in a short time frame.


The Mid Atlantic has been slammed with snow storms this season
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Quoting CybrTeddy:
115 days left until 'cane season.


dont remind us lol
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Staggering, isnt it?

LOL
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