Groundhog's Day blizzard pounds U.S.; Category 4 Yasi hits Australia

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:50 PM GMT on February 02, 2011

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The great Groundhog's Day Blizzard of 2011 continues to pound a huge swath of the U.S. with heavy snows, destructive freezing rain, and dangerously cold and windy conditions. Over 1/2” of ice has caused power outages in Indianapolis, and up to .9” of ice has hit Columbus, Ohio. Ice amounts in excess of 1/2” have also affected Illinois, Connecticut, New Jersey New York, and Pennsylvania. Blizzard conditions continue in Chicago, where heavy snows of up to two inches per hour in high winds have crippled the city's transportation system. As of 9am CST this morning, Chicago's O'Hare Airport had received 19.5” of snow, making it city's third greatest snowstorm on record. Only the January 2 - 4 1999 blizzard (21.6") and January 2 – 4, 1967 blizzard (23”) have dumped more snow on Chicago. Today's blizzard had stronger winds than Chicago's other two record snowstorms, and thus this storm is probably the worst snowstorm ever to affect the city, as far as impacts on travel go. Huge drifts in excess of 6 feet are common in the city, and residents are finding it difficult to leave their houses, much less travel on area roads. Winds last night at Chicago's Calumet Harbor were sustained at tropical storm force, 39 mph, with gusts to 51 mph, and high winds tore off part of a fiberboard roof panel behind home plate at Wrigley Field, home of the Chicago Cubs. The Chicago buoy, 10 miles offshore in Lake Michigan, had sustained winds of 54 mph, gusting to 66 mph, last night. Winds are slowly decreasing across Chicago, and the blizzard will be over by early afternoon.


Figure 1. Lake Shore Drive in downtown Chicago on the night of February 1, 2011. Image credit: Viewer uploaded photo from WGN.

According to the National Weather Service, since snow records began in 1886 in Chicago, there have been 43 winter storms that produced 10 inches or more of snow. A 10 inch snow occurs about once every 3 years. A 15 inch snow occurs only once about every 20 years. The closest back to back 10 inch
snows were March 25-26 and April 1-2, 1970 (6 days apart). The longest period of time without a 10 inch snow or greater was February 12, 1981 to January 1, 1999 (almost 18 years). The earliest 10 inch snow was November 25-26, 1895 and the latest 10 inch snow was April 1-2, 1970. The most recent 10 inch snow was January 9-10, 2009.

Chicago's 10 biggest Snowstorms:

1. 23.0 inches Jan 26-27, 1967
2. 21.6 inches Jan 1-3, 1999
3. 19.5 inches Feb 1-2, 2011
4. 19.2 inches Mar 25-26, 1930
5. 18.8 inches Jan 13-14, 1979
6. 16.2 inches Mar 7-8, 1931
7. 15.0 inches Dec 17-20, 1929
8. 14.9 inches Jan 30, 1939
9. 14.9 inches Jan 6-7, 1918
10. 14.3 inches Mar 25-26, 1970

The great storm's fury now turns to New England. Boston received 9.7” of snow as of 7am from the storm, and another 4 – 8” is on the way today. Heavy snows in excess of 6 inches are expected in a swath extending from central New York through Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine today. Up to 1/4” of ice is expected through New England along the southern edge of the heavy snow belt. Cities near the coast such as New York City and Philadelphia will receive mostly rain from the storm, though.

Some selected snowfall totals from the Groundhog's Day Blizzard of 2011, as of 9am EST:

Spring Grove, IL 20.8”
Miami, OK 20”
Jefferson City, MO 18.3”
S. Fort Scott, KS 18”
Tulsa, OK 15”
Schenectady, NY 9.6”
Boston, MA 9.7”
Detroit, MI 7.5”
Oklahoma City, OK 7”
West Hartford, CT 6.5”
Abilene, TX 6”
Cedar Rapids, IA 4.5”


Figure 2. Satellite image of the Groundhog's Day Blizzard of 2011, taken at 10am EST February 2. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

Category 4 Tropical Cyclone Yasi hits Queensland, Australia
Tropical Cyclone Yasi roared inland over Queensland, Australia at 12:30am local time this morning as a strengthening Category 4 storm with 155 mph winds and a 930 mb central pressure. Yasi is incredibly strong, its winds falling just 5 mph short of Category 5 status. This makes the storm one of the top-ten strongest cyclones to hit Australia since accurate records began in 1970.

The Australian Bureau of Meteorology had this to say about Yasi in their advisory last night:

YASI IS A LARGE AND VERY POWERFUL TROPICAL CYCLONE AND POSES AN
EXTREMELY SERIOUS THREAT TO LIFE AND PROPERTY WITHIN THE WARNING AREA,
ESPECIALLY BETWEEN CAIRNS AND TOWNSVILLE.

THIS IMPACT IS LIKELY TO BE MORE LIFE THREATENING THAN ANY EXPERIENCED DURING RECENT GENERATIONS.


Figure 3. Tropical Cyclone Yasi at 03:35 UTC February 2, 2011, as seen by NASA's Aqua satellite.

On Wednesday morning at 9:30am local time, Yasi hit tiny Willis Island, where a minimum pressure of 938 mb and a peak wind gust of 115 mph was observed before Yasi cut communications and damaged the radar.

Queensland faces three major threats from Yasi. The cyclone will bring torrential rainfall to a region with saturated soils that saw record flooding earlier this month. The latest rainfall forecast from NOAA using satellite-based rainfall estimates shows 4 – 6” of rain falling along Yasi's track over the next 24 hours. The GFS model is predicting that a wide swath of Queensland will receive 5 - 10 inches of rain over the next week, due to the combined effects of Yasi and a moist flow of tropical air over the region. Fortunately, Yasi is moving with a rapid forward speed, about 21 mph, and is not expected to linger over Queensland after landfall. The heaviest rainfall will miss Queensland's most populated regions to the south that had the worst flooding problems earlier this month, including the Australia's third largest city, Brisbane.

Yasi brought highly destructive winds to a region of coast between the cities of Cairns (population 150,000) and Townsville (population 200,000). Strong building codes have been in place in Queensland since the 1960s, which will help reduce the damage amounts. The fact that Yasi's eyewall missed these two major cities is lucky, since the coast is less populous between the cities.

A dangerous storm surge in excess of ten feet likely occurred along the left front quadrant of the storm where it came ashore. The tidal was going out when the storm struck, and the inundation from the storm surge will be about 1 meter (3 feet) less than it would have been had the storm hit at high tide.

Yasi is larger and more dangerous than Cyclone Larry of 2006, which hit Queensland as a Category 4 storm with 135 mph winds. Larry killed one person and caused $872 million in damage (2011 U.S. dollars.) Yasi will bring heavy rains to a region with soils already saturated from record rains, and may become a billion-dollar cyclone.


Figure 4. Radar image of Tropical Cyclone Yasi at landfall in Queensland, Australia. Image credit: Australian Bureau of Meteorology.

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BROWNSVILLE TX
907 PM CST WED FEB 2 2011

...FROZEN PRECIPITATION EXPECTED ACROSS DEEP SOUTH TEXAS...

.VERY COLD ARCTIC AIR FROM CANADA IS NOW IN PLACE ACROSS ALL OF
DEEP SOUTH TEXAS AND THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY. THIS AIR WILL COMBINE
WITH MODERATE WINDS FROM THE NORTH TO PRODUCE DANGEROUS WIND CHILL
VALUES FROM NOW THROUGH LATE FRIDAY MORNING. ALSO...THE APPROACH
OF A DISTURBANCE IN THE MIDDLE LAYERS OF THE ATMOSPHERE FROM THE
WEST...COMBINED WITH THE FORMATION OF A TROUGH OF LOW PRESSURE AT
THE SURFACE ALONG THE LOWER TEXAS COAST...WILL PRODUCE SOME FROZEN
PRECIPITATION IN THE FORM OF SNOW...SLEET...AND FREEZING RAIN...
MAINLY FROM THE AFTERNOON HOURS OF THURSDAY THROUGH THE MORNING
HOURS OF FRIDAY.

TXZ250-251-253>257-031115-
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/O.NEW.KBRO.WS.W.0001.110203T1800Z-110204T1800Z/
/O.EXT.KBRO.WC.W.0002.000000T0000Z-110204T1800Z/
BROOKS-KENEDY-HIDALGO-INLAND WILLACY-INLAND CAMERON-
COASTAL WILLACY-COASTAL CAMERON-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...FALFURRIAS...SARITA...MCALLEN...
EDINBURG...PHARR...MISSION...WESLACO...RAYMONDVILLE...
BROWNSVILLE...HARLINGEN...PORT MANSFIELD...PORT ISABEL...
SOUTH PADRE ISLAND...LAGUNA HEIGHTS...LAGUNA VISTA
907 PM CST WED FEB 2 2011

...WIND CHILL WARNING NOW IN EFFECT UNTIL NOON CST FRIDAY...
...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM NOON THURSDAY TO NOON CST
FRIDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BROWNSVILLE HAS ISSUED A WINTER
STORM WARNING FOR SNOW...SLEET...AND FREEZING RAIN...WHICH IS IN
EFFECT FROM NOON THURSDAY TO NOON CST FRIDAY FOR ALL OF DEEP SOUTH
TEXAS. THE WIND CHILL WARNING IS NOW IN EFFECT UNTIL NOON CST
FRIDAY.

A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM IN THE MIDDLE LAYERS OF THE ATMOSPHERE WILL
GRADUALLY MOVE FROM THE TEXAS BIG BEND TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF
THE LONE STAR STATE FROM THURSDAY AFTERNOON TO FRIDAY AFTERNOON.
THE APPROACH OF THIS DISTURBANCE...COMBINED WITH THE FORMATION OF
A SURFACE TROUGH OF LOW PRESSURE ALONG THE LOWER TEXAS COAST...
WILL PRODUCE FROZEN PRECIPITATION ACROSS DEEP SOUTH TEXAS AND THE
RIO GRANDE VALLEY IN THE FORM OF SNOW...SLEET...AND FREEZING RAIN.

SNOW...SLEET...AND FREEZING RAIN WILL BEGIN DEVELOPING AROUND NOON
THURSDAY EAST OF THE HIGHWAY 281 CORRIDOR THAT RUNS FROM MCALLEN
TO FALFURRIAS. WEST OF THIS CORRIDOR...SNOW AND SLEET ARE LIKELY.
THE FROZEN PRECIPITATION WILL INTENSIFY FOR THURSDAY NIGHT INTO
FRIDAY MORNING...WITH SNOW...SLEET...AND FREEZING RAIN CONTINUING
EAST OF THE HIGHWAY 281 CORRIDOR...AND SNOW AND SLEET WEST OF THE
CORRIDOR. UP TO AN INCH OF SNOW AND ICE ACCUMULATION WILL BE
POSSIBLE EAST OF THE HIGHWAY 281 CORRIDOR...WITH UP TO A HALF
INCH POSSIBLE WEST OF THE HIGHWAY 281 CORRIDOR.

ALSO...MODERATE WINDS FROM THE NORTH WILL COMBINE WITH COLD ARCTIC
AIR ALREADY IN PLACE TO PRODUCE WIND CHILL VALUES BETWEEN 5 AND 15
DEGREES TONIGHT AND THURSDAY NIGHT...AND BETWEEN 15 AND 25 DEGREES
THURSDAY AND FRIDAY.

RESIDENTS OF SOUTH TEXAS SHOULD PREPARE NOW FOR HAZARDOUS TRAVEL
CONDITIONS LIKELY THURSDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH FRIDAY MORNING.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WIND CHILL WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN WIND CHILL INDEX VALUES ARE
EXPECTED TO FALL TO OR BELOW 20 FOR AT LEAST 3 HOURS. PERSONS NOT
ACCLIMATED TO THESE EXTREME VALUES MAY EXPERIENCE FROSTBITE IF NOT
PROTECTED...AND COULD DIE.

A WINTER STORM WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN DANGEROUS WINTER WEATHER IS
IMMINENT. SNOW ACCUMULATIONS OF AT LEAST ONE INCH ON ROADS OR
WALKWAYS...AT LEAST ONE HALF INCH OF SLEET ACCUMULATION...OR ICE
ACCRETION OF ONE EIGHTH INCH OR MORE ON EXPOSED SURFACES.
HAZARDOUS DRIVING CONDITIONS WILL RESULT. PERSONS WITH TRAVEL
PLANS IN THE WARNING AREA ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED TO POSTPONE THEM
UNTIL CONDITIONS IMPROVE.

&&

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440. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Tropical Cyclone Warning Center Brisbane
Tropical Cyclone Advice #36
TROPICAL CYCLONE YASI (14U)
2:00 PM EST February 3 2011
=========================================

At 1:00 PM EST, Tropical Cyclone Yasi, Category One (986 hPa) located at 19.8S 142.1E, or 150 km northwest of Richmond and 295 km east northeast of Mt Isa has 10 minute sustained winds of 45 knots with gusts of 55 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving west southwest at 20 knots.

YASI CONTINUES TO WEAKEN, BUT IS PRODUCING HEAVY RAIN AND DAMAGING WIND GUSTS ABOUT THE TROPICAL INTERIOR.

DAMAGING WINDS, with gusts above 90 km/h, are occurring through much of the tropical interior. These winds are forecast to extend to the Northern Territory border including Mount Isa. Overnight TC Yasi will be near the Northern Territory border west of Mt Isa as a tropical depression with DAMAGING WINDS still expected to its south.

SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS moving with the cyclone may produce localised flash flooding during Thursday afternoon and evening.

Flash Flooding and Dangerous surf will continue about the east coast between Cairns and Proserpine, see separate SEVERE WEATHER WARNING.

TIDE levels are now falling and are not expected to pose any further threat to coastal areas between Port Douglas and Ayr.

Tropical Cyclone Watches/Warnings
====================================
A Cyclone WARNING is current for communities across the tropical interior from west of Charters Towers and south of Croydon extending to the Northern Territory border, including Mt Isa and Longreach.

The Cyclone WARNING from Cardwell to Ayr and inland to Charters Towers has been cancelled.
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Quoting Seawall:
Ben, the temps won't drop that fast tonight. They will drop to mid twenties, maybe. The reason they won't drop that fast - the air mass is already in place. Plus, there is cloud cover. It's not like it's replacing a warm air mass. Precip will be determined by what's way up there... and what's down here.
Hope this helps ya.
Thanks for the explanation Seawall. I was expecting maybe 25 or so. I was a little skeptical of the 23, but wondered why EnergyMoron sounded so sure it wouldn't drop that low. That helped.
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clickable link now on my blog page for classic wunderground located at very bottom of my blog page

Link to classic view
Link
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437. Skyepony (Mod)
EnergyMoron~ I thought I'd about finished with making this old house efficient. Let a energy guru in that pointed out I still had a solar attic fan to go. Would save me ~2/3rd of what a solar water heater would a year & cost $500 or less.

I also spent ~$50 at Silicon Solar the other week on education kits, broken bits of solar panels, diodes, leds, photocells, the wire to solder them together panels with & a larger panel that needs encased. We're beginning to dismantle unwanted battery operated toys too. I took the YouTube courses on soldering & making panels from scrap (~20 mins).

So far we've made solar panels for battery chargers that double as a fan & nightlight. I think I changed the way we will camp, charge batteries & some of these little electronics. It's a start.
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Quoting Grecojdw:
looks like a band of mix precip coming into the Fl Panhandle:)


Its not really coming just yet.. Its slowly but surely..



Maybe by 3am or so we could see some precipitation if we r lucky..
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Even though I live in the FL panhandle, I wouldn't mind seeing some snow.. Would be a sight down here.. :)
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Ben, the temps won't drop that fast tonight. They will drop to mid twenties, maybe. The reason they won't drop that fast - the air mass is already in place. Plus, there is cloud cover. It's not like it's replacing a warm air mass. Precip will be determined by what's way up there... and what's down here.
Hope this helps ya.
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Quoting EnergyMoron:


Some raw measurements, unfiltered.

A few hours ago -0.2 C at my house in SW Houston inside the loop.

Right now -0.1 C.

Given the forecast what does that say about precip tomorrow?

It ain't anywhere near 23 F.... yesterday 21 is not 19 (19 is a TEEN)... close but no cigar (should have stuck with 22)
I've got 28.7F at my apartment inside the loop close to Memorial Park right now. You seriously think it can't drop 5 more degrees tonight after it dropped by 25 in an hour less than 48 hours ago?
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looks like a band of mix precip coming into the Fl Panhandle:)
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Quoting fatlady99:

Yes and the thunder is ratcheting up as that monster gets nearer. Nice big red blob headed my way. Puppies hiding under the blanket. Keeping our heads down.
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Love that music, playing it now!
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Agree with the name calling; that wasn't called for.
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And, the NWS made a big boo boo today when they issued the Advisory for Calcasieu and surrounding parishes and counties, now rescended by the Watch...

Statement as of 10:21 PM CST on February 02, 2011

... Winter Storm Watch in effect from Thursday afternoon through
Friday morning...
... Winter Weather Advisory is cancelled...

The National Weather Service in Lake Charles has issued a Winter
Storm Watch... which is in effect from Thursday afternoon through
Friday morning. The Winter Weather Advisory has been cancelled.

A mixture of rain... sleet... and freezing rain is possible on
Thursday. Little ice accumulation is expected. The mixture will
evolve to moderate freezing rain and ice pellets by Thursday
evening... ending by mid morning Friday. Ice accumulation around
around one quarter of an inch is possible.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

A Winter Storm Watch means there is a potential for significant
snow... sleet... or ice accumulations that may impact travel.
Continue to monitor the latest forecasts.
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Quoting flsky:
Is there any weather to talk about tonight???


Some raw measurements, unfiltered.

A few hours ago -0.2 C at my house in SW Houston inside the loop.

Right now -0.1 C.

Given the forecast what does that say about precip tomorrow?

It ain't anywhere near 23 F.... yesterday 21 is not 19 (19 is a TEEN)... close but no cigar (should have stuck with 22)
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Quoting Chicklit:
you must be to my northwest fatlady

In lovely Melrose. Last one shook the house. Puppies noses now sticking out from under blanket...
WAS going to a Farmer's Market tomorrow on your doorstep. Maybe will be very wet. Have a good nite and stay dry...
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Quoting tornadodude:


(insert plus sign here)1

"are you a troll for the Koch's?"

are you not doing something similar right here?


Koch funding of denial


Facts are facts. The Kochs are spending a million (really, and can document but it is late, 50 million, against scientists)...

Oh, and (besides a deceased politician... RIP amen) funding opposition to Cape Cod wind (the best place to stick the stuff on the East Coast but how much good will it do?)


Cape Cod wind opposition

No problem with facts...

If anybody has any info that the Koch brothers regret the ways documented above I will relent.
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Quoting EYEStoSEA:


SCentral Ms....the tornado alley part




OOOOOH!
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you must be to my northwest fatlady
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Quoting JFLORIDA:
Its a bad one coming into Alachua county flashing constantly here.

I haven't seen lightening this intense here in a year.



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Quoting Grothar:


They all need a break. What state are you in?


SCentral Ms....the tornado alley part
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Quoting Chicklit:
it was quite warm here today in ecfl and still is.

Yes and the thunder is ratcheting up as that monster gets nearer. Nice big red blob headed my way. Puppies hiding under the blanket. Keeping our heads down.
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Quoting EYEStoSEA:


I'd prefer not to be in this mix....unless it's snow ,always take snow


They all need a break. What state are you in?
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Its a bad one coming into Alachua county flashing constantly here.

I haven't seen lightening this intense here in a year.
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Quoting Grothar:


I'd prefer not to be in this mix....unless it's snow ,always take snow
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No slam intended Potts. just kidding around.
really, nite all.
tomorrow i guess they'll be doing a lot of snow shoveling in illinois. it was quite warm here today in ecfl and still is.
my job has me daffy.
looking forward to the slow down in May/June just about the time hurricane season begins!
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Quoting tornadodude:


(insert plus sign here)1

"are you a troll for the Koch's?"

are you not doing something similar right here?


I specifically say the open question is meant rhetorically and I strongly suspect the null hypothesis is correct.
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It's about time for Keeper and Xcool to post us some visuals.....
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Still impressive looking:


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Quoting Leafgreen:


fixed the link. Thanks. Anyway, according to the blog post, the annual cost savings is ~ $260. After paying for installation, depending on the tankless hot water heater you buy, it's looking like a TWO year payout. cool. I mean hot. whatever ;)


Let's see... my job was $7,000 (I had to fix an unsafe solar hot water system so don't let that scare you)....

The unit will cost you minimum 1,500 (since I heat my house with water 2,500), less 500 cost for a tank unit. Thus at least 1,000

1,000 installation.

So that is at least 2,000 dollars.

And is your house up to electric code? You will need to plug the tankless in somewhere (your old tank unit probably works with a pilot light).

I just want to be as honest as possible (for a new build putting in a tank is silly).

CFLs quickest payout.
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This is the very good news of the day:

Tropical Cyclone Yasi slammed into Australia’s northeast coast early today with winds stronger than Hurricane Katrina, ripping apart houses and cutting a swath through sugarcane crops, though no deaths have been reported.

Yasi hit shore as a Category 5 cyclone at Mission Beach, a resort town of about 3,000 people 1,500 kilometers (932 miles) north of Brisbane, the Bureau of Meteorology said. The death and destruction authorities had feared was minimized as the larger cities of Cairns and Townsville escaped the brunt of the storm.

BloombergNews
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Quoting EnergyMoron:


Actually, CFL's are the quickest payout, on the order of 1 year.

I replaced some 13 and 26 watt CFLs with 7 watt CFLs and 8 watt LEDs (latter is expensive and ugly but outdoors) and proven from energy bill payout is less than 3 years.

CFLs... do that first. Then if you have ductwork outside of the conditioned space seal leaks (that is a belly job but is DYI with 'good stuff'). Then insulation in the attic. Then windows.

Not to mention energystar appliances (my frig is 7 year payout).

Efficiency first.


fixed the link. Thanks. Anyway, according to the blog post, the annual cost savings is ~ $260. After paying for installation, depending on the tankless hot water heater you buy, it's looking like a TWO year payout to switch from tank to on-demand hot water heater. cool. I mean hot. whatever ;)
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This place needs a little livin' up:

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Statement as of 11:19 PM EST on February 02, 2011
... A Severe Thunderstorm Warning remains in effect until midnight EST for southeastern Gilchrist and northwestern Alachua counties...

At 1119 PM EST... National Weather Service meteorologists continued to track a severe thunderstorm capable of producing quarter size hail... and damaging winds in excess of 60 mph. This storm was located near Newberry... or 9 miles east of Trenton... moving northeast at 40 mph.

Other locations in the warning include but are not limited to Alachua and La Crosse.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

Report severe weather or damage to the nearest law enforcement agency or your County emergency management.

nite all. got this from the gainesville, florida link.
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Quoting Chicklit:


Thank you for the adult answer.


Hey, sometimes I can't help myself and the adult in me comes out. You're very welcome Chicklit.
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Quoting EnergyMoron:


Stop the name calling.

I read the article in question and am aware of the logical flaws.

What does a pure ad hominer attack have to do with science?

This is meant as a purely rhetorical question, but are you a troll for the Koch's?


(insert plus sign here)1

"are you a troll for the Koch's?"

are you not doing something similar right here?
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Quoting Neapolitan:

... Blow Jastardi's...


Stop the name calling.

I read the article in question and am aware of the logical flaws.

What does a pure ad hominer attack have to do with science?

This is meant as a purely rhetorical question, but are you a troll for the Koch's?
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Once you start using it the new format is absolutely brilliant. Good job.
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For the NE and the South:





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398. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Tropical Cyclone Warning Center Brisbane
Tropical Cyclone Advice #35
TROPICAL CYCLONE YASI (14U)
1:00 PM EST February 3 2011
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At 12:00 PM EST Tropical Cyclone Yasi, Category Two (980 hPa) located at 19.5S 142.9E, or 150 km south southwest of Georgetown and 385 km east northeast of Mt Isa has 10 minutes sustained winds of 50 knots with gusts of 70 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving west southwest at 20 knots.

YASI CONTINUES TO WEAKEN, BUT IS PRODUCING HEAVY RAIN AND DANGEROUS WIND GUSTS ABOUT THE TROPICAL COAST AND ACROSS THE TROPICAL INTERIOR.

The DESTRUCTIVE CORE of Yasi, with gusts in excess of 125 km/h, will weaken as it continues to move in a west-southwesterly direction. Overnight TC Yasi will be near the Northern Territory border west of Mt Isa as a tropical depression.

DAMAGING WINDS, with gusts above 90 km/h, are occurring along the coast between Cardwell and Ayr and also through much of the tropical interior. These winds are forecast to extend to the Northern Territory border including Longreach and Mount Isa, while easing about coastal parts during the afternoon.

TIDE levels are now falling and are not expected to pose any further threat to coastal areas between Port Douglas and Ayr. However, large waves will continue for the next few hours.

HEAVY RAINS will continue about the coast and will result in a continuation of localised and river flooding.

SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS AND HEAVY RAINS are also forecast to move with the cyclone and cause localised flooding and possible river flooding across the interior

Tropical Cyclone Watches/Warnings
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A Cyclone WARNING is current for coastal and island communities from Cardwell to Ayr, extending west across the tropical interior to the Northern Territory border, including Mt Isa and Longreach.

The Cyclone WARNING from Cairns to Cardwell has been cancelled.
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Quoting Grothar:


Go to "Tools" and click on Compatability settings. Make sure wunderground is added. Then close that and click "Compatability view" it should reset it. You may have to do it twice.


Thank you for the adult answer.
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Quoting Grothar:


I guess I got got. Well, since Pot brought up the subject of sixth sense. Here is one for you, before we go back to the weather.

Two psychics meet on the street, the first one says, "Your fine, how am I"


LOL....you are a real sport, Grothar:)
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Quoting Leafgreen:


Your post prompted me to do some research as I started to salivate on the money I could save to take fly down to Australia and help those poor folks down there. Here's a great page that lays out the energy savings. Hope it helps: http://water-heater-tankless.com/2011/02/energy-savings-comparison-of-tank-vs-tankless-hot-water-hea ter/


Actually, CFL's are the quickest payout, on the order of 1 year.

I replaced some 13 and 26 watt CFLs with 7 watt CFLs and 8 watt LEDs (latter is expensive and ugly but outdoors) and proven from energy bill payout is less than 3 years.

CFLs... do that first. Then if you have ductwork outside of the conditioned space seal leaks (that is a belly job but is DYI with 'good stuff'). Then insulation in the attic. Then windows.

Not to mention energystar appliances (my frig is 7 year payout).

Efficiency first.
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Ahhh yes..the Cavern Days were heady times in Deutschland fer the Boyz.
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Quoting EYEStoSEA:


Well that might be funny.....if I were a MAN...Gotcha? LOLOLOL


I guess I got got. Well, since Pot brought up the subject of sixth sense. Here is one for you, before we go back to the weather.

Two psychics meet on the street, the first one says, "Your fine, how am I"
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these are probably the best links to use

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