Unprecedented flooding hits Australia's Queensland

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 10:57 PM GMT on December 29, 2010

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Unprecedented flooding has hit the northeast Australian state of Queensland, thanks to a week and a half of torrential rains and the landfall of Tropical Cyclone Tasha on Christmas Day. Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard stated yesterday, "Some communities are seeing flood waters higher than they've seen in decades, and for some communities flood waters have never reached these levels before [in] the time that we have been recording floods." The worst flooding occurred where Tropical Cyclone Tasha made landfall on Christmas Day. Though Tasha was a minimal tropical storm with 40 mph winds and lasted less than a day, the cyclone dumped very heavy rains of 8 - 16 inches (about 200 - 400 mm) on a region that was already waterlogged from months of heavy rains. According to the National Climatic Data Center, springtime in Australia (September - November) had precipitation 125% of normal--the wettest spring in the country since records began 111 years ago. Some sections of coastal Queensland received over 4 feet (1200 mm) of rain from September through November. Rainfall in Australia in December may also set a record for rainiest December. The heavy rains are due, in part, to the moderate to strong La Niña event that has been in place since July. While the rains have eased over Queensland over the past few days, some rivers will not reach peak flood stage until Friday. Approximately 1000 people have been evacuated from the affected area so far.


Figure 1. Rainfall in Queensland, Australia for the 7-day period ending December 29, 2010. Image credit: Australian Bureau of Meteorology.


Figure 2. Radar image of Tropical Cyclone Tasha as it moved inland over Queensland, Australia on Christmas Day (local time.) Image credit: Australian Bureau of Meteorology.


Figure 3. River conditions in Queensland as of 8:30am local time on December 30, 2010. Image credit: Australian Bureau of Meteorology.

Flood warnings are in effect for over twelve rivers, and the flooding has closed approximately 300 roads across Queensland, including two major highways into the capital of Brisbane. Evacuations are underway in Rockhampton, a city of 50,000 people on the coast. Damage to infrastructure in Australia has been estimated at over $1 billion by the government, and economists have estimated the Australian economy will suffer an additional $6 billion in damage over the coming months due to reduced exports, according to insurance company AIR Worldwide. Queensland is Australia's top coal-producing state, and coal mining and delivery operations are being severely hampered by the flooding. Damage to agriculture is curently estimated at $400 million, and is expected to rise.

Flooding woes hit New Zealand
Wild weather has also hit New Zealand this week. Golden Bay on the northern end of the South Island of New Zealand had its worst floods in 150 years this week, thanks to torrential rains that dropped up to 13.2 inches (337.5 mm) in just 24 hours on Monday at one mountain location.


Figure 4. Two webcam views of the Motueka River in New Zealand taken five hours apart on December 28, 2010, showing the dramatic rise in the river due to flooding rains. Image credit: Tasman District Council. Screen shots kindly sent to me by Matt Johnson.

Jeff Masters

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POST# 200 really tells the story. Hell we all can forecast above average season and at some point we will be right. Just goes to show you shouldn't put all of your faith in one model considering the consensus is for El-Nino starting later next summer.
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201. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
8:36 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Tropical Cyclone Warning Center Perth
Tropical Cyclone Advice #4
TROPICAL LOW 06U
3:00 AM WST December 31 2010
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At 2:00 am WST, Tropical Low (1000 hPa) located at 15.6S 126.8E (overland), or 390 kilometres east northeast of Derby and 140 kilometres west of Wyndham has 10 minute sustained winds of 15 knots with gusts of 45 knots. The low is reported as moving west at 14 knots.

Dvorak Intensity: Overland

The low is expected to develop into a tropical cyclone on Saturday morning after it moves off the west Kimberley coast tonight. Coastal areas of the west Kimberley between Cockatoo Island and Wallal including Broome can expect a period of strong winds and heavy rain later today and tonight as the low passes by.

While gales are not expected today, gales may develop along the Pilbara coast on Saturday for a brief period as the system moves steadily towards the west southwest parallel to the Pilbara coast. By Sunday the system is likely to be north of Exmouth and continuing to move towards the west southwest.

Heavy rainfall of 100 to 150mm is expected in the north and west Kimberley today with significant stream rises with local flooding possible, refer to the latest Flood Watch [IDW39610] for further details. The system is unlikely to cause flooding in the Pilbara due to its steady movement.

Tropical Cyclone Watches
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A Cyclone WATCH continues for a developing tropical low for coastal areas from Wallal to Exmouth.

Forecast and Intensity
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12 HRS: 16.5S 123.8E - 20 knots (Tropical Low)
24 HRS: 17.6S 120.7E - 30 knots (Tropical Low)
48 HRS: 19.9S 114.4E - 55 knots (CAT 2)
72 HRS: 21.1S 109.7E - 40 knots (CAT 1)

Additional Information
=====================
The system was located over land using surface observations and Wyndham radar under moderate shear of 10 to 20 knots.

Dvorak intensity not assigned as system over land.

Model guidance is consistent with a west to southwest track due to a strong mid level ridge to the south. The low is likely to move offshore late Friday into favorable sea surface temperatures. Being forecast to be of midget size, the system should develop rapidly into a tropical cyclone after spending less than 12 hours over open water.

Upper level winds are unidirectional but as the system is moving in the direction of the shear, it is likely to experience favourable shear conditions. The system is likely to have reasonable structure as it moves offshore. Given its forecast motion of 15 knots, strong winds should extend further on the southern side increasing the chance of gales on the Pilbara coast, albeit for a relatively short period.

The system is forecast to intensify, possibly to category 2 intensity [55 knots 10 minute mean wind] but should encounter cooler waters in the longer term northwest of Exmouth which should constrain its development potential.
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200. Jeff9641
8:34 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting clwstmchasr:


Didn't think we would see an El Nino again in 2011 since we had one in 2009 and into 2010. If it pans out then our 2011 hurricane season could be shut down early. Interesting to see these developments just a few weeks after CSU released and aggressive hurricane forecast for 2011.


It seems CSU issues an aggressive forecast more often than not. I believe they did in 2009 but instead we ended up with 9 storms.

Colorado State University publishes 2009 forecast for Atlantic Hurricane Season

An early extended-range forecast for 2009 calls for somewhat above-average Atlantic basin hurricane activity, according to a new report from the Tropical Meteorology Project at Colorado State University.

The report marks the 26th year of the CSU hurricane forecasting team, which is led by Philip Klotzbach and William Gray.

The team's first extended-range forecast for the 2009 hurricane season anticipates 14 named storms forming in the Atlantic basin between June 1 and Nov. 30. Seven of the 14 storms are predicted to become hurricanes, and of those seven, three are expected to develop into intense or major hurricanes (Saffir/Simpson category 3-4-5) with sustained winds of 111 mph or greater.

"We're forecasting an above-average season based on our early assessment of factors that influence an active hurricane season including warm Atlantic sea surface temperatures and the likely absence of El Nino conditions," said Klotzbach, lead author of the forecasts. "The media and general public should realize that there is a large amount of uncertainty with our early December prediction, issued seven months prior to the start of the hurricane season."


This forecast is based on an extended-range early December statistical prediction scheme that uses 58 years of data. This statistical model explains a considerable amount of hurricane variability in hindcasts issued from 1950-2007. Over this time period, the three-predictor scheme correctly forecast above- or below-average seasons in 45 out of 58 years. The forecast model also successfully predicted an above-average season in 2008.


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199. Jeff9641
8:30 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting MichaelSTL:
The NASA model isn't going to verify for December, especially for the subsurface; it has only a small area of anomalies below -2°C east of 110W, compared to actual anomalies to -5°C with -2 or more extending almost to the dateline (subsurface anomalies lead the surface; you'd see the warm water in the west Pacific progress east before the surface warms, like it shows in the forecast):





Of course, I realize that means that an El Nino could get stronger if there is more time for heat buildup (the anomalies in the west Pacific are also stronger than it forecast). Also, it was the first model to forecast a La Nina this year, or one of the first.


So what do you think El-Nino arrives?
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198. MichaelSTL
8:24 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
The NASA model isn't going to verify for December, especially for the subsurface; it has only a small area of anomalies below -2°C east of 110W, compared to actual anomalies to -5°C with -2 or more extending almost to the dateline (subsurface anomalies lead the surface; you'd see the warm water in the west Pacific progress east before the surface warms, like it shows in the forecast):





Of course, I realize that means that an El Nino could get stronger if there is more time for heat buildup (the anomalies in the west Pacific are also stronger than it forecast). Also, it was the first model to forecast a La Nina this year, or one of the first.
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196. Jeff9641
8:18 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
It figures someone would post the only model not showing El-Nino next year. Gotta love some of these people on here.
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195. Jeff9641
8:13 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
POAMA Forecasts

June 2011
Similarly for June 2011 the average NINO3.4 index is -0.48°C and the frequency distribution is:

below −0.8°C: 16.7% (Cool)
−0.8°C to +0.8°C: 83.3% (Neutral)
above +0.8°C: 0.0% (Warm)

Models predict La Niña event will persist into first quarter of 2011
Summary
As detailed in the ENSO Wrap-up, a strong La Niña event continues in the Pacific.

Dynamical models surveyed by the Bureau of Meteorology suggest central Pacific Ocean (NINO3.4) sea surface temperatures are likely to remain at levels typical of a La Niña event into the first quarter of 2011, with the majority of the models indicating the event will gradually weaken over the coming months.

The NCEP model predicts NINO3.4 will cool further, with NINO3.4 peaking at its coolest temperature in March. Most models, NCEP being the only exception, predict the central Pacific will warm during the first quarter of 2011, with the NASA model predicting a faster decay of the La Niña conditions relative to the other models.




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194. Jax82
8:04 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
SSTs Dec 25, 2009



SSTs Dec 25, 2010



Can you see a difference?
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193. Jeff9641
8:03 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting MichaelSTL:


Well, the insane Arctic Oscillation/NAO can probably be blamed for that; the NAO has been negative for an unprecedented 15 straight months now with no real sign of ending, as if the atmospheric circulation has gotten "stuck".



Also, some of the things that have happened recently aren't actually inconsistent with La Nina; for example, all of the worst floods in California have occurred during La Nina winters - despite La Nina usually being associated with drought (the flooding in Peru has also been east of the Andes, in the Amazon region - where La Nina brings more rain, just as El Nino brought drought). Well the recent Northeast blizzard was more unusual, although Dr. Masters said it was due to a pattern change (not the NAO as he claimed - that's for sure! Maybe he meant the PNA).


Which may mean no big landfalls next year if this pattern stays stuck. Jim Cantore commented on this in November as the season was ending.
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192. Jeff9641
8:01 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Not only are the models showing an El-Nino next year but are increasing the strength of it and beginning it's onset earlier than the previous runs. The CFS is an outliner. The Euro and most other models show different and it was these models which nailed this La-nina. THese other models are showing El-Nino come August and if that is the case then this could have big impacts on next years hurricane season.
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191. Jax82
7:58 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
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190. MichaelSTL
7:58 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting Jedkins01:



Considering La Nina is as strong as it is, you wouldn't know it across the U.S. La Nina hasn't acted like it is scientifically supposed to at all


Well, the insane Arctic Oscillation/NAO can probably be blamed for that; the NAO has been negative for an unprecedented 15 straight months now with no real sign of ending, as if the atmospheric circulation has gotten "stuck".



Also, some of the things that have happened recently aren't actually inconsistent with La Nina; for example, all of the worst floods in California have occurred during La Nina winters - despite La Nina usually being associated with drought (the flooding in Peru has also been east of the Andes, in the Amazon region - where La Nina brings more rain, just as El Nino brought drought). Well the recent Northeast blizzard was more unusual, although Dr. Masters said it was due to a pattern change (not the NAO as he claimed - that's for sure! Maybe he meant the PNA).
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189. Jeff9641
7:57 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
A major Gulf Low is being advertised on the EURO next week. Euro shows this as a FL/SE US system and not the NE US.

http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/plots/ec850_19.png
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188. Jeff9641
7:53 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Cold here in Florida too :P Though it is warming up the last few days, up in the 60s so far.


74 here in Orlando! No 60's here my friend. Infact heading to 81 on Sunday!!
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187. LoveStormsatNight
7:52 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Maybe we just haven't observed enough ENSO cycles in detail to know all about their effects on the weather.
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186. Jedkins01
7:44 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting MichaelSTL:


Also, I don't see what he means by a "4 degree SST increase in the CPAC"; here is a map of SST changes in the past month; not much change in the equatorial Pacific:



If he is referring to the warming in the central south Pacific, that has nothing to do with the equatorial SSTs that define ENSO. On another note, there has been a lot of warming across the Southern Hemisphere oceans, also seen in the anomaly map in my previous comment, but I don't see how that relates to ENSO.

Also, you need to look at more than just SSTs; the SOI in no way supports any weakening of La Nina; indeed, it is going to shatter the December record of +23 in 1950 and is the highest since, well, I don't know; 1975?, 1955? (the MEI will probably drop again):




Considering La Nina is as strong as it is, you wouldn't know it across the U.S. La Nina hasn't acted like it is scientifically supposed to at all
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185. CybrTeddy
7:43 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
What I've found also interesting is not only the 'drought' of Major Hurricanes hitting the USA (if you don't want to consider Ike a major) but the last 3 seasons have not seen a Category 5 either in the Atlantic Basin. That being said, there is some evidence to upgrade Hurricane Igor to Category 5 status during post-seasonal analysis. At one point, the ADT and SAB all indicated that Igor obtained Category 5 status on the 14th of September, and the TAFB and SAB both indicated it late on the 15th (might have gotten the dates confused did that off the top of my head) that Igor was a 160 mph Category 5. But Igor was no threat to land and it might have caused some panic when headlines read 'Igor, now a Category 5, churning westward towards the Atlantic' so 155 mph (1 mph away from Category 5) was what they sticked with.

Regarding the 2010 season, it looks likely that 3 storms will be retired in post season. Karl, Igor, and Tomas. Whats more, I think its possible that Alex and Matthew might get the boot during post season, given the amount of damage and death those storm did.
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184. washingtonian115
7:42 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Looks unlikely that 2011 will be even a weak El Nino event. Looks La Nina per CFS.

Seasonal Nino 3.4


Last 6 years have almost gone in a pattern with ENSO to note. 2004 was a El Nino (though a weird one) 2005 was neutral, 2006 was El Nino, 2007 was La Nina, 2008 was neutral, 2009 was El Nino, 2010 was La Nina, 2011 looks like it will be either La Nina or cold neutral. Based on that, I could see 2012 being a moderate-weak El Nino and 2013 being similar to this year.
I thought I was the only one who noticed we were following that pattern.And with that being said I think the U.S will see a bad hurricane season next year.Doesn't matter about the numbers,but the destruction they cuase.2010 was a good exsample of that.Many storms,but not much destruction in the U.S which is why most people along the coast will foreget we even had a hurricane season.And they are becoming complacent each year.
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183. MichaelSTL
7:39 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting washingtonian115:
Um No!!!.We will have a active hurricane season,becuase I don't expect El nino to form until december 2011-spring of 2012 time range.I don't belive we'll drop out of La nina that quickly.


Also, I don't see what he means by a "4 degree SST increase in the CPAC"; here is a map of SST changes in the past month; not much change in the equatorial Pacific:



If he is referring to the warming in the central south Pacific, that has nothing to do with the equatorial SSTs that define ENSO. On another note, there has been a lot of warming across the Southern Hemisphere oceans, also seen in the anomaly map in my previous comment, but I don't see how that relates to ENSO.

Also, you need to look at more than just SSTs; the SOI in no way supports any weakening of La Nina; indeed, it is going to shatter the December record of +23 in 1950 and is the highest since, well, I don't know; 1975?, 1955? (the MEI will probably drop again):

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182. FtMyersgal
7:35 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting lilElla:


Where abouts in Wisconsin?? The winters really aren't that bad, you just have to dress for it. I would much prefer snow & cold over humid & hot :)

Grew up in Milwaukee County area. When we moved to Florida we were living in Racine. It's the snow I hate. You learn to leave with the humidity plus we get breezes here not the stagnent air we had in Wisconsin. Plus, everthing is air conditioned. Your part of Wisconsin is lovely. Go Badgers!!
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181. CybrTeddy
7:33 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Looks unlikely that 2011 will be even a weak El Nino event. Looks La Nina per CFS.

Seasonal Nino 3.4


Last 6 years have almost gone in a pattern with ENSO to note. 2004 was a El Nino (though a weird one) 2005 was neutral, 2006 was El Nino, 2007 was La Nina, 2008 was neutral, 2009 was El Nino, 2010 was La Nina, 2011 looks like it will be either La Nina or cold neutral. Based on that, I could see 2012 being a moderate-weak El Nino and 2013 being similar to this year.
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180. washingtonian115
7:28 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting Jeff9641:
Looking more likely that a strong El-Nino is on the way by next Fall with El-Nino starting in July or August. Question will become is how this will impact the 2011 hurricane season? If these models pan out we may have a season similar to that of 2009. Colorado may want to revisit their prediction because if El-Nino occurs during August then Hurricane formation would be limited significantly. There has been a 4 degree rise in the C Pacific over the last couple of weeks.
Um No!!!.We will have a active hurricane season,becuase I don't expect El nino to form until december 2011-spring of 2012 time range.I don't belive we'll drop out of La nina that quickly.
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179. Skyepony (Mod)
7:27 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Officials say an 80-year-old woman has died and her son is missing after they were swept away by floodwaters in eastern Philippines, where landslides and flooding have prompted some 4,000 people to evacuate to safer ground. Albay province has been pummeled by nonstop rains for five days, and the provincial governor, Joey Salceda, has declared a state of calamity to free up provincial funds for disaster relief efforts. Residents of at least five towns have been evacuated. Disaster official Bernardo Rafaelito Alejandro says the woman who died was crossing a flooded area in Manito township late Wednesday when the strong current swept her away along with her 50-year-old son. Her body was found Thursday, but he remains missing.
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178. Skyepony (Mod)
7:23 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Oregon is having a snowstorm

More than a foot of snow fell on the eastern Oregon town of Burns overnight, collapsing the roof of a car dealership, breaking off tree limbs, snapping power lines and closing roads. According to the Oregon State Police, emergency workers were busy through Tuesday night and this morning responding to a wide range of weather-related problems in the Harney County high-desert town of about 3,000. OSP Sergeant Brian Williams reported that the storm closed U.S. 20 -- which runs through Burns -- intermittently because of crashes, jackknifed trucks and sliding vehicles. It also resulted in the closure of Oregon 395 when a large tree toppled across the roadway. In addition, Williams said, there were numerous reports of downed power lines and blown transformers and damaged trees, as well as the collapse of a portion of the roof at the Burns Ford Dealership.
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177. lilElla
7:02 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting FtMyersgal:


It's a balmy 73 in Fort Myers right now. We are supposed to see 78 Friday and Saturday. Now that's what I want to see. A return to a more normal winter. I lived in Wisconsin for 30 years and I never want to be that cold again! LOL


Where abouts in Wisconsin?? The winters really aren't that bad, you just have to dress for it. I would much prefer snow & cold over humid & hot :)
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176. Neapolitan
6:56 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting Cochise111:
Britain is on course to have its coldest winter in 1000 years...

No, it's not. No scientists predicted such a thing, and no forecast called for it. This is another example of journalistic foolishness and anti-science wishful thinking. Read the whole sordid story here, if you wish, or go back to the original news story here (translated to English).

As has been said before, folks shouldn't believe everything they hear on Glenn Beck's program or read on WattsUpWithThat. (In fact, they'd be doing themselves a favor if they never automatically assumed to be true anything either one of them said.)
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175. MichaelSTL
6:53 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Cold here in Florida too :P Though it is warming up the last few days, up in the 60s so far.


Florida has been pretty cold all year, in contrast to the Northeast:



This can be put down to a persistently negative NAO (for a record 15 consecutive months, including December) and El Nino.

The Gulf of Mexico is currently pretty cold too; I wonder what impact on TCHP this will have next year (if any; it did recover pretty well from last winter). Meanwhile a -NAO means the tropical Atlantic will stay very warm, probably not as warm next year though since El Nino is associated with warming:

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174. FtMyersgal
6:42 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Cold here in Florida too :P Though it is warming up the last few days, up in the 60s so far.


It's a balmy 73 in Fort Myers right now. We are supposed to see 78 Friday and Saturday. Now that's what I want to see. A return to a more normal winter. I lived in Wisconsin for 30 years and I never want to be that cold again! LOL
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173. hydrus
6:38 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting lilElla:


OMG!!! Does Bill also go by the name of "Tank" and is this the person that lives at the caverns? What an interesting character he is! I was there with a Girl Scout troop - we actually slept in the cave and did some real spelunking! Pulllllllll with your fingers and pushhhhhhhh with your toes cause it was too narrow to lift your head off the ground. Paul, our guide, told some good ghost stories as we were sitting next to a 50' pit where the little boy sat with his candle! But we got him good the following morning! The caverns was the first place I saw a Kentucky Warbler :) I love the huge Oak tree on the "Trail of Tears". You are surrounded with so much history. I was even called a "Yankee"!
If you are in this neck of the woods again, be sure to see Fall Creek Falls state Park and Rock Island State Park...The falls are nothing short of spectacular and are on the National Treasure list....Link
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172. CybrTeddy
6:32 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting MichaelSTL:


Yeas, and you don't know why they call it global warming.

Just because it is cold, even record cold, in one area doesn't mean that it is cold everywhere! How many times does this have to be repeated before people get it?!


Cold here in Florida too :P Though it is warming up the last few days, up in the 60s so far.
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171. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
6:28 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting MichaelSTL:


Yeas, and you don't know why they call it global warming.

Just because it is cold, even record cold, in one area doesn't mean that it is cold everywhere! How many times does this have to be repeated before people get it?!
they never will get it
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170. melwerle
6:23 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
A little shaker (3.8) here this morning. Woke me up. Had to think whether I had the wash machine on and was it on spin cycle...nope. It was a quake. I'm getting lazy now - I don't even get out of bed anymore.
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169. lilElla
6:22 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting hydrus:
Lol..The Cumberland Caverns are in my back yard, and under my house! I live in Rock Island, which borders McMinnville. I have been inside the caverns many times. Bill Higgenbothem is a member of our church. His Great-Great-Great-Great Grandfather discovered the caverns in the very early 1800,s. It is said to be haunted. There are dead bodies in the caverns...I did not see any ghosts during my visits, but it is said that not all the caves have been mapped and the cave system is very large indeed.


OMG!!! Does Bill also go by the name of "Tank" and is this the person that lives at the caverns? What an interesting character he is! I was there with a Girl Scout troop - we actually slept in the cave and did some real spelunking! Pulllllllll with your fingers and pushhhhhhhh with your toes cause it was too narrow to lift your head off the ground. Paul, our guide, told some good ghost stories as we were sitting next to a 50' pit where the little boy sat with his candle! But we got him good the following morning! The caverns was the first place I saw a Kentucky Warbler :) I love the huge Oak tree on the "Trail of Tears". You are surrounded with so much history. I was even called a "Yankee"!
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168. MichaelSTL
6:14 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting Cochise111:
Britain is on course to have its coldest winter in 1000 years, but the cultish are still pushing that "global warming."


Yes, and you don't know why they call it global warming.

Just because it is cold, even record cold, in one area doesn't mean that it is cold everywhere! How many times does this have to be repeated before people get it?!
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167. MichaelSTL
6:12 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
The first earthquake that I felt was this one on April 18, 2008 (followed by several aftershocks over the next few days which were also felt):

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166. Cochise111
6:10 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Britain is on course to have its coldest winter in 1000 years, but the cultish are still pushing that "global warming."
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165. hydrus
6:09 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting lilElla:


Let's hope 2011 has no more tornado activity for you! Is it hard to see storms coming in and they catch people by surprise?

We do have lots of great state parks. Devils Lake SP is about 10 miles N of us. We are on the eastern edge of the Driftless Area and how anyone can think that S. WI is flatlander country has obviously never been here. This is our 4th winter with enough snow to ski/snow board on our hill. And breaking trails for the donkeys, they don't like snow. Hopefully we will get more to cover up the crust once it goes below freezing again.

I have been to Cumberland Caverns, close to McMinnville. Are you in this area? It is absolutely beautiful!!!
Lol..The Cumberland Caverns are in my back yard, and under my house! I live in Rock Island, which borders McMinnville. I have been inside the caverns many times. Bill Higgenbothem is a member of our church. His Great-Great-Great-Great Grandfather discovered the caverns in the very early 1800,s. It is said to be haunted. There are dead bodies in the caverns...I did not see any ghosts during my visits, but it is said that not all the caves have been mapped and the cave system is very large indeed.
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164. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
6:03 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting Shonuff:


Got to experience my first earthquake ever (along with most Maryland residents) during that 3.4 in Gaithersburg on July 16. Very interesting experience, felt and sounded like elephants running across my roof for about 8 seconds.

Although the quake in Indiana is unrelated, the New Madrid fault has always concerned me, mostly because it feels like many people have downplayed the threat to the area. Because the Midwest doesn't employ the same building standards as the more well-known earthquake areas in California and Alaska, a recurrence of the 1811-12 quakes today would cause catastrophic damage to Memphis and St. Louis.


its ironic that that date is approaching again with the coming of new year been 200 years
time for the giant to tremble

December 16, 1811, 1415 UTC (8:15 a.m.); (M ~7.2%u20138.1) epicenter in northeast Arkansas
January 23, 1812, 1500 UTC (9 a.m.); (M ~7.0%u20137.8[1]) epicenter in the Missouri Bootheel.
February 7, 1812, 0945 UTC (4:45 a.m.); (M ~7.4%u20138.0[1]) epicenter near New Madrid, Missouri

3 big one's in the span of 3 months
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163. lilElla
5:59 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting hydrus:
Great parks in your state. Winters are brutal. I am on the Cumberland plateau, Middle Tennessee. It can be pretty rough here too...I am hoping that there are no more tornadoes. We are #1 with tornado fatalities for the past ten years.


Let's hope 2011 has no more tornado activity for you! Is it hard to see storms coming in and they catch people by surprise?

We do have lots of great state parks. Devils Lake SP is about 10 miles N of us. We are on the eastern edge of the Driftless Area and how anyone can think that S. WI is flatlander country has obviously never been here. This is our 4th winter with enough snow to ski/snow board on our hill. And breaking trails for the donkeys, they don't like snow. Hopefully we will get more to cover up the crust once it goes below freezing again.

I have been to Cumberland Caverns, close to McMinnville. Are you in this area? It is absolutely beautiful!!!
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162. MichaelSTL
5:56 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting Jeff9641:
Found this look in the bold!

Winter ENSO state after La Nina winters.


If one looks at the MEI, there was only one case where a strong La Nina turned into a El Nino the next year:



(the current event peaked at the strongest on record for August-September, and will probably go lower again after November-December; just look at the SOI, which is nearly 4 above the December 1950 record)
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161. Shonuff
5:47 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting Neapolitan:

The same mechanism is why the New Madrid quakes--which have their 200th anniversary in just under a year--were felt as far away as South Carolina and New England...


Got to experience my first earthquake ever (along with most Maryland residents) during that 3.4 in Gaithersburg on July 16. Very interesting experience, felt and sounded like elephants running across my roof for about 8 seconds.

Although the quake in Indiana is unrelated, the New Madrid fault has always concerned me, mostly because it feels like many people have downplayed the threat to the area. Because the Midwest doesn't employ the same building standards as the more well-known earthquake areas in California and Alaska, a recurrence of the 1811-12 quakes today would cause catastrophic damage to Memphis and St. Louis.
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160. hydrus
5:43 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting lilElla:
Hydrus - we are located in south central WI.
We had about an hour of rain last night that made the roads extremely slick - lots of slide offs & roll overs. Temps were hovering at 32 and instantly froze. Today we are supposed to hit 40 with drizzle & possible rain showers.
So much for our snow........... :(
Great parks in your state. Winters are brutal. I am on the Cumberland plateau, Middle Tennessee. It can be pretty rough here too...I am hoping that there are no more tornadoes. We are #1 with tornado fatalities for the past ten years.
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159. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
5:41 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting kwgirl:
Is this part of the New Madrid fault?
yeah don't want things shaking up there some big one maybe even the biggest have occured on that line
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158. Shonuff
5:38 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
I'll be traveling to central Louisiana tomorrow, right smack in the center of that severe weather bulls-eye. :\
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157. Jeff9641
5:37 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Found this look in the bold!

Winter ENSO state after La Nina winters.

1949-1950[Moderate]:1950-1951 Weak La Nina
1950-1951[Weak]:1951-1952 Weak El Nino
1954-1955[Moderate]:1955-1956 Strong La Nina
1955-1956[Strong]:1956-1957 Weak La Nina
1956-1957[Weak]:1957-1958 Moderate El Nino
1962-1963[Weak]:1963-1964 Weak El Nino
1964-1965[Moderate]:1965-1966 Moderate El Nino
1967-1968[Weak]:1968-1969 Weak El Nino
1970-1971[Weak]:1971-1972 Weak La Nina
1971-1972[Weak]:1972-1973 Strong El Nino
1973-1974[Strong]:1974-1975 Weak La Nina
1974-1975[Weak]:1975-1976 Strong La Nina
1975-1976[Strong]:1976-1977 Weak El Nino
1984-1985[Weak]:1985-1986 Neutral
1988-1989[Strong]:1989-1990 Neutral
1995-1996[Weak]:1996-1997 Neutral
1998-1999[Moderate]:1999-2000 Moderate La Nina
1999-2000[Moderate]:2000-2001 Weak La Nina
2000-2001[Weak]:2001-2002 Neutral
2007-2008[Moderate]:2008-2009 Neutral

Total after Nina years
1 Strong El Nino
2 Moderate El Ninos
4 Weak El Ninos
5 Neutral
5 Weak La Ninas
1 Moderate La Nina
2 Strong La Ninas

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156. Jeff9641
5:28 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


I'm thinking a moderate risk maybe added tomorrow for C. Miss. Any thoughts?
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155. Jeff9641
5:20 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
Looking more likely that a strong El-Nino is on the way by next Fall with El-Nino starting in July or August. Question will become is how this will impact the 2011 hurricane season? If these models pan out we may have a season similar to that of 2009. Colorado may want to revisit their prediction because if El-Nino occurs during August then Hurricane formation would be limited significantly. There has been a 4 degree rise in the C Pacific over the last couple of weeks.
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154. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
5:19 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
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153. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
5:18 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
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152. sirmaelstrom
5:07 PM GMT on December 30, 2010
№ 148

Quoting MichaelSTL: And that doesn't even include most of the Arctic, which was up to 10[deg C] above average in November (NASA also handily allows you to use polar projection which shows the polar regions better)


DMI data for 80degN seems to disagree with this for November 2010. Granted the baselines are different-- DMI uses 1958-2002 and NASA 1951-1980--but the difference is still striking. The NASA shows over half of the area north of 80degN as being 10degC above the baseline. The DMI graph shows a peak of only about 5degC late in November; half of the month is below the baseline. Note that November is represented as Days 305-334.

From here.

Added: Just for clarification--red line is temperature data in K, green is the 1958-2002 average for the DMI data, the blue line is the freezing point of water. More details available at the link below the graph.
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