Strongest storm ever recorded in the Midwest smashes all-time pressure records

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:09 PM GMT on October 27, 2010

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Tornadoes, violent thunderstorms, and torrential rains swept through a large portion of the nation's midsection yesterday, thanks to the strongest storm ever recorded in the Midwest. NOAA's Storm Prediction Center logged 24 tornado reports and 282 reports of damaging high winds from yesterday's spectacular storm, and the storm continues to produce a wide variety of wild weather, with tornado watches posted for Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia, a blizzard warning for North Dakota, high wind warnings for most of the upper Midwest, and near-hurricane force winds on Lake Superior.

The mega-storm reached peak intensity late yesterday afternoon over Minnesota, resulting in the lowest barometric pressure readings ever recorded in the continental United States, except for from hurricanes and nor'easters affecting the Atlantic seaboard. So far, it appears the lowest reading (now official) was a pressure of 28.21" (955.2 mb) reduced to sea level reported from Bigfork, Minnesota at 5:13pm CDT. Other extreme low pressures from Minnesota during yesterday's storm included 28.22" (956 mb) at Orr at 5:34pm CDT, 28.23" at International Falls (3:45pm), and 28.23" at Waskuh at 5:52pm. The 28.23" (956mb) reading from International Falls yesterday obliterated their previous record of 28.70" set on Nov. 11, 1949 by nearly one-half inch of mercury--a truly amazing anomaly. Duluth's 28.36" (961 mb) reading smashed their old record of 28.48" (964 mb) set on Nov. 11, 1998. Wisconsin also recorded its lowest barometric pressure in history yesterday, with a 28.36" (961 mb) reading at Superior. The old record was 28.45" (963.4 mb) at Green Bay on April 3, 1982. The previous state record for Minnesota was 28.43" (963 mb) at Albert Lea and Austin on Nov. 10, 1998.


Figure 1. Visible satellite image of the October 26, 2010 superstorm taken at 5:32pm EDT. At the time, Bigfork, Minnesota was reporting the lowest pressure ever recorded in a U.S. non-coastal storm, 955 mb. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

Yesterday's records in context
Yesterday's 28.21" (955 mb) low pressure reading in Minnesota breaks not only the 28.28" (958 mb) previous "USA-interior-of-the-continent-record" from Cleveland, Ohio during the Great Ohio Storm of Jan. 26, 1978 (a lower reading in Canada during this event bottomed out at an amazing 28.05"/950 mb), but also the lowest pressure ever measured anywhere in the continental United States aside from the Atlantic Coast. The modern Pacific Coast record is 28.40" (962mb) at Quillayute, Washington on Dec. 1, 1987. An older reading, taken on a ship offshore from the mouth of the Umpqua River in Oregon during the famous "Storm King" event on January 9, 1880, was 28.20" (954.9 mb)--slightly lower than the 2010 storm.

The lowest non-hurricane barometric pressure reading in the lower 48 states is 28.10" (952 mb) measured at Bridgehampton, New York (Long Island) during an amazing nor'easter on March 1, 1914 (see Kocin and Uccellini, "Northeast Snowstorms; Vol. 2., p. 324, American Meteorological Society, 2004.) The lowest non-hurricane barometric pressure reading from anywhere in the United States was a 27.35" (927 mb) reading at Dutch Harbor, Alaska on Oct. 25, 1977. The lowest hurricane pressure reading was the 26.34" (892 mb) recorded in 1935 during the Great Labor Day Hurricane.


Figure 2. Storm reports received by NOAA's Storm Prediction Center from the October 26, 2010 superstorm.

The six most intense storms in history to affect the Great Lakes
According to the Chicago branch of the National Weather Service and Christopher C. Burt, our Weather Records blogger, the following are the six lowest pressures measured in the U.S. Great Lakes region:

1. Yesterday's October 26, 2010 Superstorm (955 mb/28.20")
2. Great Ohio Blizzard January 26, 1978 (958 mb/28.28")
3. Armistice Day Storm November 11, 1940 (967 mb/28.55")
4. November 10, 1998 storm (967 mb/ 28.55")
5. White Hurricane of November 7 - 9, 1913 (968 mb/28.60")
6. Edmund Fitzgerald Storm of November 10, 1975 (980 mb/28.95")

So, the famed storm that sank the ore carrier Edmund Fitzgerald in 1974, killing all 29 sailors aboard, was weaker than the current storm. Indeed, I wouldn't want to be on a boat in Lake Superior today--sustained winds at the Rock of Ages lighthouse on Isle Royale were a sustained 68 mph, gusting to 78 mph at 3am EDT this morning!

Yet Another Remarkable Mid-latitude Cyclone so far this Year!
Yesterday's superstorm is reminiscent of the amazing low pressures reached earlier this year (Jan. 19-22) in the West, where virtually every site in California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, southern Oregon, and southern Idaho--about 10 - 15% of the U.S. land area--broke their lowest on record pressure readings. However, the lowest readings from that event fell well short of yesterday's mega-storm with 28.85" (977 mb) being about the lowest recorded at any onshore site.

Commentary
We've now had two remarkable extratropical storms this year in the U.S. that have smashed all-time low pressure records across a large portion of the country. Is this a sign that these type of storms may be getting stronger? Well, there is evidence that wintertime extratropical storms have grown in intensity in the Pacific, Arctic, and Great Lakes in recent decades. I discuss the science in detail in a post I did earlier this year. Here is an excerpt from that post:

General Circulation Models (GCMs) like the ones used in the 2007 IPCC Assessment Report do a very good job simulating how winter storms behave in the current climate, and we can run simulations of the atmosphere with extra greenhouse gases to see how winter storms will behave in the future. The results are very interesting. Global warming is expected to warm the poles more than the equatorial regions. This reduces the difference in temperature between the pole and Equator. Since winter storms form in response to the atmosphere's need to transport heat from the Equator to the poles, this reduced temperature difference reduces the need for winter storms, and thus the models predict fewer storms will form. However, since a warmer world increases the amount of evaporation from the surface and puts more moisture in the air, these future storms drop more precipitation. During the process of creating that precipitation, the water vapor in the storm must condense into liquid or frozen water, liberating "latent heat"--the extra heat that was originally added to the water vapor to evaporate it in the first place. This latent heat intensifies the winter storm, lowering the central pressure and making the winds increase. So, the modeling studies predict a future with fewer total winter storms, but a greater number of intense storms. These intense storms will have more lift, and will thus tend to drop more precipitation--including snow, when we get areas of strong lift in the -15°C preferred snowflake formation region.

Invest 90L
A low pressure system (Invest 90L) in the middle Atlantic Ocean has developed a broad circulation, but has very limited heavy thunderstorm activity. NHC is giving 90L a 10% of developing into a tropical depression by Friday. Another area of disturbed weather a few hundred miles west of 90L is disorganized, and is also being given a 10% chance of developing.

Next update
I'll have an update on Thursday morning. I'm at the National Hurricane Center in Miami this week, as part of their visiting scientist program, and hopefully the weather in the rest of the country will slow down enough so I can write about goings-on here at the Hurricane Center!

Christopher C. Burt is responsible for most of the content of this post, with the exception of the commentary, which I wrote.

Jeff Masters

The Big Blow! (pjpix)
This photo and the other in my series were both take from the same spot ... just different directions and just a representative scene mirroring so many others here in the midwest. These were taken yesterday morning right after the thunderstorm front had gone through but the winds continued to increase in intensity as the barometer dropped ... to a record low in some midwest spots. The big Blow was the equivlant of a Cat 2 or Cat 3 hurricane and indeed a very unusual storm in the upper midwest for this time of the year.
The Big Blow!
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Quoting hurristat:
UPDATED...A NEARLY-STATIONARY LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM IS LOCATED ABOUT
1200 MILES NORTHWEST OF THE NORTHERNMOST CAPE VERDE ISLANDS.
SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH THE LOW HAS BECOME
BETTER ORGANIZED THIS EVENING...AND RECENT SATELLITE DATA INDICATE
THAT THE LOW IS PRODUCING WINDS TO GALE FORCE. ANY ADDITIONAL
INCREASE IN ORGANIZATION WOULD RESULT IN THE FORMATION OF A
TROPICAL STORM. THERE IS A MEDIUM CHANCE...50 PERCENT...OF THIS
SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

Whoa.... looks like Shary might be on the way.
they state that its becoming better organized.
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Quoting Neapolitan:
Well, my DayPlanner says it's 10/27, but the tropics seem to have forgotten to synchronize their calendars:

Click for larger image:

Appropriate tropical weather-related image



Lots of lightning around 92L, a lesser amount in 90L, and just a small handful of strokes among 91L.

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Appropriate tropical weather-related image


90L's 850mb vorticity looks good though elongated, while 92L's is steadily increasing and 91L's is slowly getting better. The Super Duper Monster Mega Low of 2010 is still pretty darned noticeable, of course...

Click for larger image:

Appropriate tropical weather-related image
prediction by me, is that if all three of these invests form, that it would go in this order:
90L=Shary
91L=Tomas
92L=Virginie
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Quoting pottery:

Altering data is WRONG.
Using that one episode to deny the obvious, while ignoring hundreds of other facts is WRONG.


Pottery:

I can understand your frustration (it isn't as bad as you think).

Changing those 8 CFLs can save you money however.

While I respect the work of serious climate scientists (even if they mash statistics, and that is the official result of the climategate inquiry)...

Getting rid of 8 CFLs... take that high carbon Al Bore.
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UPDATED...A NEARLY-STATIONARY LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM IS LOCATED ABOUT
1200 MILES NORTHWEST OF THE NORTHERNMOST CAPE VERDE ISLANDS.
SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH THE LOW HAS BECOME
BETTER ORGANIZED THIS EVENING...AND RECENT SATELLITE DATA INDICATE
THAT THE LOW IS PRODUCING WINDS TO GALE FORCE. ANY ADDITIONAL
INCREASE IN ORGANIZATION WOULD RESULT IN THE FORMATION OF A
TROPICAL STORM. THERE IS A MEDIUM CHANCE...50 PERCENT...OF THIS
SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

Whoa.... looks like Shary might be on the way.
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Quoting AEKDB1990:
I can't prove anything. They are the ones making the accusations. So don'


I'll wait for evidence that you are not SSI first (I don't know who that was/is btw) And I'll wait for evidence that PSLFLCaneVet is not this SSI character. And unruly. And Calusakat. And Pottery. And Neapolitan. And Birthmark. And EnergyMoron. And 1900hurricane. And Grothar. And
RipplinH20.

See you in the morning!

And of course KeeperoftheGate.
And anyone else I left out.

WHEW!!!
LOL to that!
heheheheh
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Quoting calusakat:

Pottery, respectfully, you are the one who is not listening.

Altering data is wrong in any research paradigm.

Can anyone imagine the howling that would occur if some drug company admitted that their claims of 'safe for human consumption' was based in any part on altered data?

Altering climate data is just as wrong.

And we haven't even begun to discuss the refusal of some of those so-called scientists who refuse to release their methodology (ie assumptions used in their software, claiming copyright protections.





Again, more nonsense. The vast majority of the data and much of the code is on-line. You can go here, for instance: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/

Actually, you are posting double nonsense since if the climatologists are wrong in any non-trivial way, it should be for denialists to simply download the data, write their own code, and show exactly and precisely where the climatologists are wrong. This hasn't been done.

There is a reason for that. ;)
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they're giving 90L a 50% chance of forming in the next 48 hours.
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Quoting calusakat:

Pottery, respectfully, you are the one who is not listening.

Altering data is wrong in any research paradigm.

Can anyone imagine the howling that would occur if some drug company admitted that their claims of 'safe for human consumption' was based in any part on altered data?

Altering climate data is just as wrong.

And we haven't even begun to discuss the refusal of some of those so-called scientists who refuse to release their methodology (ie assumptions used in their software, claiming copyright protections.




Altering data is WRONG.
Using that one episode to deny the obvious, while ignoring hundreds of other facts is WRONG.
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Quoting KerryInNOLA:
Quad, don't try and explain it to them. Never has one budged. They love the land rovers and hummers too much and can't bear the guilt.

BTW, I saw a fantastic brand new HD show on cable last week about recent discoveries in the Milky Way. The pictures from Hubble and several of the land based observatories and the supercomputer simulations of colliding galaxies were fabulous. Didn't know we lived in a Goldielocks zone in the Milky Way too.


Whee -- we're getting onto the question of habitability -- and that's something I have done work on :) In fact, I put together a review paper with my old boss at the Open University a few months ago discussing all the various things that can influence the degree to which planets elsewhere could be habitable... some here might find it interesting (so I'll unashamedly link it here -- admin, if that's inappropriate, please feel free to remove it :P)

Which reminds me, need to update my webpage now I've changed countries :P

The galactic habitable zone (Goldilocks zone) is an interesting concept -- though I think (as always) we need more/better data to talk about it in depth :) Fortunately, in the near future, all the exoEarths we find will be very local, so I suspect that the galactic location argument won't play a big role in working out which to consider in the search for life... I could well be wrong though!
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Quoting AEKDB1990:
You have any evidence I am someone else PSLFLCaneVet or you just like to post accusations without evidence. Unless you have evidence, you're just a troll.



Well then, following the flow of this blog, you aren't providing evidence that you're not SSI.

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Quoting EnergyMoron:


Actually, there is progress since Nea and I are on the same side on this one (I think).

Bickering not allowed....


No offense, but I was referring to a member who was perma-banned. I do like the exchange of ideas, regarding GW. Carry on, please.
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Quoting pottery:

You are missing the point.
The 'altered data' was shown to be practically meaningless, in the overall conclusion.
Feel free to diss this remark, but you are not listening. WHY???

Pottery, respectfully, you are the one who is not listening.

Altering data is wrong in any research paradigm.

Can anyone imagine the howling that would occur if some drug company admitted that their claims of 'safe for human consumption' was based in any part on altered data?

Altering climate data is just as wrong.

And we haven't even begun to discuss the refusal of some of those so-called scientists who refuse to release their methodology (ie assumptions used in their software, claiming copyright protections.



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Quoting pottery:

Agreed.
There is nothing on the horizon now, that we can have confidence in to replace oil.
There will be a period of absolute confusion when the stuff hits the fan.
Or, maybe we can find more oil....


That will be within 15 years... or sooner. My company says 2025 and they are the latest of the non-deniers.
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Quoting Birthmark:


Popeye, right?
if thats what you want to call it you have your own choice to make choose wisly
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Well, my DayPlanner says it's 10/27, but the tropics seem to have forgotten to synchronize their calendars:

Click for larger image:

Appropriate tropical weather-related image



Lots of lightning around 92L, a lesser amount in 90L, and just a small handful of strokes among 91L.

Click for larger image:

Appropriate tropical weather-related image


90L's 850mb vorticity looks good though elongated, while 92L's is steadily increasing and 91L's is slowly getting better. The Super Duper Monster Mega Low of 2010 is still pretty darned noticeable, of course...

Click for larger image:

Appropriate tropical weather-related image
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Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:


WU Admin, thank you for not removing comments regarding the latest exchange. Some things need to be exposed. Kudos.


Actually, there is progress since Nea and I are on the same side on this one (I think).

Bickering not allowed....
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Quoting Birthmark:


There is no easy answer at this point, if you are asking what succeeds fossil fuels. But we're going to run out of fossil fuels someday anyhow, so we might as well begin working on that answer now. Solar, wind, nuclear, wave, etc. all provide partial answers. Every drop of oil or lump of coal that we don't burn buys a tiny bit more time to figure out what answers are useful.

Agreed.
There is nothing on the horizon now, that we can have confidence in to replace oil.
There will be a period of absolute confusion when the stuff hits the fan.
Or, maybe we can find more oil....
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WU Admin, thank you for not removing comments regarding the latest exchange. Some things need to be exposed. Kudos.
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i guess winter really is coming GW abound
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Quoting calusakat:

So, leaked is not the same as stolen???

Hmmm

leak : to give out (information) surreptitiously

surreptitious: obtained, done, made, etc., by stealth; secret or unauthorized; clandestine

A synonym for unauthorized is 'illegal'


Hmmm

Goodness...it would appear that the more you protest, the more you dig the hole to bury yourself.

Those communications between all those scientists were leaked.

Those leaks simply verified what was already public knowledge that had been reported by the global news media regarding admissions of various meteorological agencies that data was and continues to be altered.

Altering data is wrong.




That is nonsense on virtually every score. For instance, what data was "altered" and in what way was it "altered?"
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Quoting pottery:

You are missing the point.
The 'altered data' was shown to be practically meaningless, in the overall conclusion.
Feel free to diss this remark, but you are not listening. WHY???
cause they don't want too
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Quoting Birthmark:


There is no easy answer at this point, if you are asking what succeeds fossil fuels. But we're going to run out of fossil fuels someday anyhow, so we might as well begin working on that answer now. Solar, wind, nuclear, wave, etc. all provide partial answers. Every drop of oil or lump of coal that we don't burn buys a tiny bit more time to figure out what answers are useful.


Amen.

Waste is bad.

We ought to tax waste. A waste tax. If folks have money to burn give it to the public treasury.
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I think i came in at a bad time.....see you all......GET A LIFE for some of you!
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Quoting KerryInNOLA:
Quad, don't try and explain it to them. Never has one budged. They love the land rovers and hummers too much and can't bear the guilt.

BTW, I saw a fantastic brand new HD show on cable last week about recent discoveries in the Milky Way. The pictures from Hubble and several of the land based observatories and the supercomputer simulations of colliding galaxies were fabulous. Didn't know we lived in a Goldielocks zone in the Milky Way too.
wait till ya see the big bad wolf
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Quoting calusakat:

So, leaked is not the same as stolen???

Hmmm

leak : to give out (information) surreptitiously

surreptitious: obtained, done, made, etc., by stealth; secret or unauthorized; clandestine

A synonym for unauthorized is 'illegal'


Hmmm

Goodness...it would appear that the more you protest, the more you dig the hole to bury yourself.

Those communications between all those scientists were leaked.

Those leaks simply verified what was already public knowledge that had been reported by the global news media regarding admissions of various meteorological agencies that data was and continues to be altered.

Altering data is wrong.



You are missing the point.
The 'altered data' was shown to be practically meaningless, in the overall conclusion.
Feel free to diss this remark, but you are not listening. WHY???
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Quoting pottery:

I was being sarcastic.
I am all for the reduction of pollutants (of all kinds).
Unfortunately, I admit that currently we have no options available.
We MUST burn fossil fuel.
That's the problem.

Changing 8 lightbulbs at home is not the answer, as you know.
But what is????


There is no easy answer at this point, if you are asking what succeeds fossil fuels. But we're going to run out of fossil fuels someday anyhow, so we might as well begin working on that answer now. Solar, wind, nuclear, wave, etc. all provide partial answers. Every drop of oil or lump of coal that we don't burn buys a tiny bit more time to figure out what answers are useful.
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Quoting AEKDB1990:


I heard you steal pics from wunderground users and put them on sex sites too. And that's not a lie. I have heard it.



STSimons, you are double busted. Get a life. Admin will not look kindly on your duplicity.
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Quoting AEKDB1990:
Calusakat, once again you are not telling the truth. The emails were not leaked. They were stolen. Hacked. And the hackers are criminals who violated the law.

And you lied about and slandered honest scientists, which every review of the Climate Research Unit exonerated. Data was not falsified, as you said.

Slandering honest scientists as you do is reprehensible and disgusting.

So, leaked is not the same as stolen???

Hmmm

leak : to give out (information) surreptitiously

surreptitious: obtained, done, made, etc., by stealth; secret or unauthorized; clandestine

A synonym for unauthorized is 'illegal'


Hmmm

Goodness...it would appear that the more you protest, the more you dig the hole to bury yourself.

Those communications between all those scientists were leaked.

Those leaks simply verified what was already public knowledge that had been reported by the global news media regarding admissions of various meteorological agencies that data was and continues to be altered.

Altering data is wrong.


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Quoting Birthmark:


LOL

Don't get me started on God! ;)

OK
heheheh
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Quoting Birthmark:


Popeye, right?


Actually, spinach good.

Now that Neapolitan and myself have established that we are in violent agreement on something (energy efficiency... there is no reason why we cannot get rid of 1/2 of our national carbon output in 10 years)...

Plastics bad. Plastics bad. Tea Party folks really need to take note of this (eat lots of spinach is good and prevents the impact on males)

Endocrine disruption

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I'm out...science and art, art and science...sorry for those I bored, thanks to those that made a great input. Let's have a true debate without labels or agendas...any weather subject. Nite...
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403: I just wanted to point out that not all oil comes from the Carboniferous. There are reservoirs as young as 20 million years old.
Also, the source of extinction events are not generally agreed upon. Sure the Siberian Traps correspond to the P-T extinction, but so did the coming together of Pangea and the effect of paleobiodiversity has to be taken into account when discussing extinctions on the scale of the P-T one. Same can be applied to the K-T extinction and the breakup of Pangea.
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Quoting Birthmark:


I realize that it is inferred that the party must close down. But that inference displays a remarkable lack of imagination and confidence, imo.

But even if it does indicate that the party must end...well, most parties do end once the house catches fire. Even the good parties.

I was being sarcastic.
I am all for the reduction of pollutants (of all kinds).
Unfortunately, I admit that currently we have no options available.
We MUST burn fossil fuel.
That's the problem.

Changing 8 lightbulbs at home is not the answer, as you know.
But what is????
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Evening all.....just on for a minute....Brother just talked me into driving to North for Fishing tomorrow in the GOM. I see we have 3 Invest but, 91L is in a nice spot to cause some problems. I had that pegged this morning to watch it. Looking pretty good considering all the Shear it is under.
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Quoting Neapolitan:

That's fine. The problem is that your risk-taking vis-a-vis GW can't be done in isolation, so it's affecting me, too...


One is tempted to say that that risk-taking is tyrannical.
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Quoting Quadrantid:
Eep -- I seem to be attempting to break the record for the greatest average number of words per post. Sorry for the epic walls of text folks... the curse of being passionate about things, and typing fast enough to create streams of consciousness...

@476 -- wow -- the eye is amazing! awesome images!


here is a rerun now thats an eye
best of the best
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Quoting JupiterFL:


I'll take my chances.

That's fine. The problem is that your risk-taking vis-a-vis GW can't be done in isolation, so it's affecting me, too...
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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
iam that i am


Popeye, right?
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MESSAGE FROM MOTHER EARTH .....

WE ARE ALOT A LIKE IN MANY WAYS YOU AND I EXCEPT ONE

THERE ARE
BILLIONS OF YOU
YET
ONLY ONE OF ME.......
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Quoting Quadrantid:
Eep -- I seem to be attempting to break the record for the greatest average number of words per post. Sorry for the epic walls of text folks... the curse of being passionate about things, and typing fast enough to create streams of consciousness...

@476 -- wow -- the eye is amazing! awesome images!

Fear not!
That was an Excellent post, and one that many people around here should read.
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Quoting Birthmark:


LOL

Don't get me started on God! ;)
iam that i am
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Quoting KerryInNOLA:
The Key question in the whole GW debate is do greenhouse gasses cause warming. Think Venus. Ask those who would like to terraform Mars also


And if GHGs don't cause warming...who's gonna tell the physicists?
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