Strongest storm ever recorded in the Midwest smashes all-time pressure records

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:09 PM GMT on October 27, 2010

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Tornadoes, violent thunderstorms, and torrential rains swept through a large portion of the nation's midsection yesterday, thanks to the strongest storm ever recorded in the Midwest. NOAA's Storm Prediction Center logged 24 tornado reports and 282 reports of damaging high winds from yesterday's spectacular storm, and the storm continues to produce a wide variety of wild weather, with tornado watches posted for Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia, a blizzard warning for North Dakota, high wind warnings for most of the upper Midwest, and near-hurricane force winds on Lake Superior.

The mega-storm reached peak intensity late yesterday afternoon over Minnesota, resulting in the lowest barometric pressure readings ever recorded in the continental United States, except for from hurricanes and nor'easters affecting the Atlantic seaboard. So far, it appears the lowest reading (now official) was a pressure of 28.21" (955.2 mb) reduced to sea level reported from Bigfork, Minnesota at 5:13pm CDT. Other extreme low pressures from Minnesota during yesterday's storm included 28.22" (956 mb) at Orr at 5:34pm CDT, 28.23" at International Falls (3:45pm), and 28.23" at Waskuh at 5:52pm. The 28.23" (956mb) reading from International Falls yesterday obliterated their previous record of 28.70" set on Nov. 11, 1949 by nearly one-half inch of mercury--a truly amazing anomaly. Duluth's 28.36" (961 mb) reading smashed their old record of 28.48" (964 mb) set on Nov. 11, 1998. Wisconsin also recorded its lowest barometric pressure in history yesterday, with a 28.36" (961 mb) reading at Superior. The old record was 28.45" (963.4 mb) at Green Bay on April 3, 1982. The previous state record for Minnesota was 28.43" (963 mb) at Albert Lea and Austin on Nov. 10, 1998.


Figure 1. Visible satellite image of the October 26, 2010 superstorm taken at 5:32pm EDT. At the time, Bigfork, Minnesota was reporting the lowest pressure ever recorded in a U.S. non-coastal storm, 955 mb. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

Yesterday's records in context
Yesterday's 28.21" (955 mb) low pressure reading in Minnesota breaks not only the 28.28" (958 mb) previous "USA-interior-of-the-continent-record" from Cleveland, Ohio during the Great Ohio Storm of Jan. 26, 1978 (a lower reading in Canada during this event bottomed out at an amazing 28.05"/950 mb), but also the lowest pressure ever measured anywhere in the continental United States aside from the Atlantic Coast. The modern Pacific Coast record is 28.40" (962mb) at Quillayute, Washington on Dec. 1, 1987. An older reading, taken on a ship offshore from the mouth of the Umpqua River in Oregon during the famous "Storm King" event on January 9, 1880, was 28.20" (954.9 mb)--slightly lower than the 2010 storm.

The lowest non-hurricane barometric pressure reading in the lower 48 states is 28.10" (952 mb) measured at Bridgehampton, New York (Long Island) during an amazing nor'easter on March 1, 1914 (see Kocin and Uccellini, "Northeast Snowstorms; Vol. 2., p. 324, American Meteorological Society, 2004.) The lowest non-hurricane barometric pressure reading from anywhere in the United States was a 27.35" (927 mb) reading at Dutch Harbor, Alaska on Oct. 25, 1977. The lowest hurricane pressure reading was the 26.34" (892 mb) recorded in 1935 during the Great Labor Day Hurricane.


Figure 2. Storm reports received by NOAA's Storm Prediction Center from the October 26, 2010 superstorm.

The six most intense storms in history to affect the Great Lakes
According to the Chicago branch of the National Weather Service and Christopher C. Burt, our Weather Records blogger, the following are the six lowest pressures measured in the U.S. Great Lakes region:

1. Yesterday's October 26, 2010 Superstorm (955 mb/28.20")
2. Great Ohio Blizzard January 26, 1978 (958 mb/28.28")
3. Armistice Day Storm November 11, 1940 (967 mb/28.55")
4. November 10, 1998 storm (967 mb/ 28.55")
5. White Hurricane of November 7 - 9, 1913 (968 mb/28.60")
6. Edmund Fitzgerald Storm of November 10, 1975 (980 mb/28.95")

So, the famed storm that sank the ore carrier Edmund Fitzgerald in 1974, killing all 29 sailors aboard, was weaker than the current storm. Indeed, I wouldn't want to be on a boat in Lake Superior today--sustained winds at the Rock of Ages lighthouse on Isle Royale were a sustained 68 mph, gusting to 78 mph at 3am EDT this morning!

Yet Another Remarkable Mid-latitude Cyclone so far this Year!
Yesterday's superstorm is reminiscent of the amazing low pressures reached earlier this year (Jan. 19-22) in the West, where virtually every site in California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, southern Oregon, and southern Idaho--about 10 - 15% of the U.S. land area--broke their lowest on record pressure readings. However, the lowest readings from that event fell well short of yesterday's mega-storm with 28.85" (977 mb) being about the lowest recorded at any onshore site.

Commentary
We've now had two remarkable extratropical storms this year in the U.S. that have smashed all-time low pressure records across a large portion of the country. Is this a sign that these type of storms may be getting stronger? Well, there is evidence that wintertime extratropical storms have grown in intensity in the Pacific, Arctic, and Great Lakes in recent decades. I discuss the science in detail in a post I did earlier this year. Here is an excerpt from that post:

General Circulation Models (GCMs) like the ones used in the 2007 IPCC Assessment Report do a very good job simulating how winter storms behave in the current climate, and we can run simulations of the atmosphere with extra greenhouse gases to see how winter storms will behave in the future. The results are very interesting. Global warming is expected to warm the poles more than the equatorial regions. This reduces the difference in temperature between the pole and Equator. Since winter storms form in response to the atmosphere's need to transport heat from the Equator to the poles, this reduced temperature difference reduces the need for winter storms, and thus the models predict fewer storms will form. However, since a warmer world increases the amount of evaporation from the surface and puts more moisture in the air, these future storms drop more precipitation. During the process of creating that precipitation, the water vapor in the storm must condense into liquid or frozen water, liberating "latent heat"--the extra heat that was originally added to the water vapor to evaporate it in the first place. This latent heat intensifies the winter storm, lowering the central pressure and making the winds increase. So, the modeling studies predict a future with fewer total winter storms, but a greater number of intense storms. These intense storms will have more lift, and will thus tend to drop more precipitation--including snow, when we get areas of strong lift in the -15°C preferred snowflake formation region.

Invest 90L
A low pressure system (Invest 90L) in the middle Atlantic Ocean has developed a broad circulation, but has very limited heavy thunderstorm activity. NHC is giving 90L a 10% of developing into a tropical depression by Friday. Another area of disturbed weather a few hundred miles west of 90L is disorganized, and is also being given a 10% chance of developing.

Next update
I'll have an update on Thursday morning. I'm at the National Hurricane Center in Miami this week, as part of their visiting scientist program, and hopefully the weather in the rest of the country will slow down enough so I can write about goings-on here at the Hurricane Center!

Christopher C. Burt is responsible for most of the content of this post, with the exception of the commentary, which I wrote.

Jeff Masters

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This photo and the other in my series were both take from the same spot ... just different directions and just a representative scene mirroring so many others here in the midwest. These were taken yesterday morning right after the thunderstorm front had gone through but the winds continued to increase in intensity as the barometer dropped ... to a record low in some midwest spots. The big Blow was the equivlant of a Cat 2 or Cat 3 hurricane and indeed a very unusual storm in the upper midwest for this time of the year.
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The agw dinosaur came out of hiding and saw its shadow. That means 6 more months of gw arguments ahead! Oh boy...
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Quoting NavarreMark:


The reason I am not going to worry about it is because "the proposed actions to combat AGW" are mainly socialism/communism or some other kind of tyranny, and I would rather be die a horrible death. That is why I am not going to worry or act on "AGW". You have a right to your opinion, but you do not have the right to forfiet the freedom and liberty of others.

We would all be better off dead.


Okay, so proposed solutions don't meet your ideological purity test...therefore, everyone can die?

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we have 91L and 92L, so much for "Hurricane Season is over".
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Quoting NavarreMark:


The reason I am not going to worry about it is because "the proposed actions to combat AGW" are mainly socialism/communism or some other kind of tyranny, and I would rather be die a horrible death. That is why I am not going to worry or act on "AGW". You have a right to your opinion, but you do not have the right to forfiet the freedom and liberty of others.

We would all be better off dead.

It has started raining now. It is not coming down hard yet, but I expect it to increase.
The interesting thing to me is that actions to reduce the release of greenhouse gases are the same actions that need to be taken to provide energy as fossil fuels are depleted. It really makes little sense to continue with the status quo when we at least have reason to suspect that the release of CO2 is a problem and we need to develop alternative energy source anyway.
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Quoting NavarreMark:


Not sure who you are referring to as coward. I Would never use that work on an anonymous blog.

The weather has gotten worse in Navarre in the last 1/2 hour. It looks like rain in imminent.



I don't see what the anonymous part has to do with it but fine if you are insulted. This is what you said: "If the worst case scenerios of human causes are true, it is too late anyway. That is why I am not going to worry about it."

It is an excuse to sit on your hands because it is too much effort to help others. If you don't believe in AGW, fine. But if you believe and you use the reasoning you gave above, I think you describe yourself. All I did was label it. Personally, I would think that it would be worse to exist like that than to have someone call you out for it.
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Not just one, but--for the first time this season--two simultaneous new invests: 91L and 92L.

There's never a fork around when you need one, is there? ;-)

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Quoting Skyepony:
Oh 91L & 92L are on the NAVY site..


That was fast!
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90. Skyepony (Mod)
Oh 91L & 92L are on the NAVY site..
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Looks like I need to speed up work on my new blog entry.
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88. Skyepony (Mod)
I see SSD has 91L on floater 2 but the floater isn't turned on yet & still looking at an old picture of Cuba.
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87. JRRP
Quoting NavarreMark:


The reason I am not going to worry about it is because "the proposed actions to combat AGW" are mainly socialism/communism or some other kind of tyranny, and I would rather be die a horrible death. That is why I am not going to worry or act on "AGW". You have a right to your opinion, but you do not have the right to forfiet the freedom and liberty of others.

We would all be better off dead.

It has started raining now. It is not coming down hard yet, but I expect it to increase.

+1
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Quoting FFtrombi:


No but the earth wobbling on it's orbit did.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ahhh! What caused that? An asteriod ,perhaps? I'm not saying we do not contribute heat to the planet, just not enough to cause agw. 
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Quoting Neapolitan:

No body has ever seen a dinosaur in person, yet you believe in those, don't you? Of course you do; it's called the fossil record, and it's a type of what scientists call "proxy data". No scientist has ever set foot on the Sun, but they know what chemicals it's made form, and in what proportions. How's that? There's never been anyone there to sample it. The answer again: proxy data (in this case, spectrographic analysis). No geologist has ever seen a strike/slip fault cause an earthquake, but the effects are--again--available through proxy data.

I'm afraid that withholding opinion on the past condition of the earth's climate until a time machine is built so we can send a meteorologist back is merely a stall tactic used by those who disbelieve science for one reason or another. As far as logic goes, it's a very poor substitute for real debate.


I appreciate your opinion Nea.

The glaciers were rapidly receding prior to the industrial age which would lend credence to the idea that man has little or no influence on the situation.

If the worst case scenerios of human causes are true, it is too late anyway. That is why I am not going to worry about it.


Neopolitan, I don't usually bother to comment, but that was very well put.

greentortuloni, even if you're "not going to worry about it", most of the actions proposed to combat AGW are a good idea anyway, for other reasons.

back to lurking...
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Quoting overwash12:
Did man cause the last ice age to end?


No but the earth wobbling on it's orbit did.
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URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 735
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
205 PM EDT WED OCT 27 2010

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF

NORTHEAST GEORGIA
WESTERN AND CENTRAL NORTH CAROLINA
WESTERN SOUTH CAROLINA

EFFECTIVE THIS WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 205 PM UNTIL
900 PM EDT.

TORNADOES...HAIL TO 1 INCH IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND GUSTS
TO 70 MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS.

THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 50 STATUTE
MILES EITHER SIDE OF A LINE FROM 40 MILES SOUTH OF ANDERSON SOUTH
CAROLINA TO 65 MILES EAST NORTHEAST OF DANVILLE VIRGINIA. FOR A
COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE
UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU5).

REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR
TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.

OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW 733...WW 734...

DISCUSSION...TSTMS DEVELOPING ALONG SW-NE ORIENTED SURFACE
BAROCLINIC ZONE ARE EXPECTED TO INCREASE IN COVERAGE AND INTENSITY
THIS AFTERNOON WITHIN A WARM AND HUMID AIR MASS WITH MLCAPE VALUES
OF 1000-1500 J/KG. A 40 KT SWLY LLJ WILL BE MAINTAINED ACROSS THE
REGION THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE DAY...WHICH WHEN COUPLED WITH
50-55 KT SWLY MIDLEVEL WIND FIELD...IS RESULTING IN A SUFFICIENTLY
SHEARED KINEMATIC ENVIRONMENT FOR SUPERCELLS AND BOWING STRUCTURES
CAPABLE OF DAMAGING WINDS AND A COUPLE OF TORNADOES.

AVIATION...TORNADOES AND A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL
SURFACE AND ALOFT TO 1 INCH. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE WIND
GUSTS TO 60 KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO 500.
MEAN STORM MOTION VECTOR 24030.


...MEAD
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Did man cause the last ice age to end?
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78. JRRP
Quoting FtMyersgal:


We finally got our yellow circle LOL

yea jejejej may be invest soon
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Quoting NavarreMark:


I appreciate your opinion Nea.

The glaciers were rapidly receding prior to the industrial age which would lend credence to the idea that man has little or no influence on the situation.

If the worst case scenerios of human causes are true, it is too late anyway. That is why I am not going to worry about it.


Another one who is good to have one your side in a fight. Same people who appeased Hitler, same people who didn't want to kick England out in the late 1700s, same people who sit at home when a hurricane is coming and then complain about the federal response. Coward.
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Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 2019
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1054 AM CDT WED OCT 27 2010

AREAS AFFECTED...NORTHERN NC AND CENTRAL/EASTERN VA TO EASTERN MD/DE
AND NJ/SOUTHEAST PA

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH LIKELY

VALID 271554Z - 271700Z

MONITORING FOR AN INCREASING SURFACE BASED SEVERE POTENTIAL THIS
AFTERNOON WITHIN A SOUTHWEST-NORTHEAST CORRIDOR FROM NORTHERN NC AND
CENTRAL/EASTERN VA INTO DE/EASTERN MD AND NJ/SOUTHEAST PA. A TORNADO
WATCH WILL BE COORDINATED SOON.

A RECENT CONVECTIVE UPSWING HAS BEEN NOTED PER VISIBLE
SATELLITE/RADAR IMAGERY ACROSS NORTH-CENTRAL VA...IN CLOSE PROXIMITY
TO A WEAK SURFACE LOW...WHICH IS OTHERWISE ALONG A BROAD
SOUTHWEST-NORTHEAST ORIENTED BAROCLINIC ZONE. LARGE SCALE FORCING
FOR ASCENT CURRENTLY APPEARS TO RELATIVELY WEAK IN THE WAKE OF A
SUBTLE MID LEVEL IMPULSE/SPEED MAX. AND WHILE EXTENSIVE CLOUD COVER
EXISTS...A GRADUALLY WARMING AND OTHERWISE RATHER MOIST /LOWER 70S F
SURFACE DEWPOINTS/ MAY ALLOW FOR GRADUALLY STRONG/NEAR-SURFACE
ROOTED UPDRAFTS WITH AN ASSOCIATED SEVERE CONCERN. MODERATE LOW
LEVEL TURNING AND OTHERWISE RATHER STRONG DEEP LAYER SOUTHWESTERLY
FLOW WOULD BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF BOTH SUPERCELLS AND SMALL SCALE
BOWING SEGMENTS...WITH ASSOCIATED POTENTIAL FOR WIND
DAMAGE/TORNADOES.

..GUYER.. 10/27/2010


ATTN...WFO...PHI...AKQ...CTP...LWX...RAH...RNK...

LAT...LON 40607459 39897395 37997621 35957905 37027933 39017738
40607459

hopefully this transpires, without the tornadoes of course, would love some big boomers to roll through


Same here in Richmond, although this time the storms won't be moving over the mountains.
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Quoting JRRP:

A VIGOROUS TROPICAL WAVE IS LOCATED OVER THE CENTRAL TROPICAL
ATLANTIC ABOUT 1200 MILES EAST-SOUTHEAST OF THE WINDWARD ISLANDS.
UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE FORECAST TO BECOME MORE CONDUCIVE FOR SOME
SLOW DEVELOPMENT OF THIS DISTURBANCE IN A COUPLE OF DAYS.
THERE IS
A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES WESTWARD OR
WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 15 TO 20 MPH.


We finally got our yellow circle LOL
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We are under a tornado watch here in Central VA.
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Quoting CybrTeddy:
O.O I thought for a second I liked on a September TWO.
Number three has the classic seedling storm look...And so late in the year. I wonder if this will be a big November hurricane. Time will tell..
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TORNADO WARNING
NCC067-271845-
/O.NEW.KRAH.TO.W.0020.101027T1753Z-101027T1845Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE RALEIGH NC
153 PM EDT WED OCT 27 2010

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN RALEIGH HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
FORSYTH COUNTY IN CENTRAL NORTH CAROLINA

* UNTIL 245 PM EDT

* AT 150 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A
TORNADO OVER LEWISVILLE...OR 9 MILES SOUTH OF EAST BEND...MOVING
NORTHEAST AT 50 MPH.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
PFAFFTOWN...WINSTON-SALEM...
STANLEYVILLE...RURAL HALL...

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW. MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A
STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A MOBILE HOME...VEHICLE OR
OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER. IF NO SHELTER IS
AVAILABLE LIE DOWN IN A LOW LYING AREA. PROTECT YOURSELF FROM FLYING
DEBRIS.

PLEASE REPORT SEVERE WEATHER TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BY
CALLING...1...8 7 7...6 3 3...6 7 7 2 OR NOTIFY YOUR LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.

&&

LAT...LON 3612 8045 3622 8045 3624 8046 3626 8043
3625 8003 3621 8003 3604 8019 3603 8027
3598 8040 3604 8047 3604 8048 3606 8051
3609 8052
TIME...MOT...LOC 1753Z 243DEG 43KT 3610 8045

$$

DJF
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Dak!!!! My fork is always on standby....
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O.O I thought for a second I clicked on a September TWO.
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Quoting Thundercloud01221991:
The only thing that will prove to me that global warming is true... is if you can prove to me that the data before the modern era of weather equipment is 100% accurate... how can we know that 500 years ago this and this happened in the US when no one was here that recorded it happening?

No body has ever seen a dinosaur in person, yet you believe in those, don't you? Of course you do; it's called the fossil record, and it's a type of what scientists call "proxy data". No scientist has ever set foot on the Sun, but they know what chemicals it's made form, and in what proportions. How's that? There's never been anyone there to sample it. The answer again: proxy data (in this case, spectrographic analysis). No geologist has ever seen a strike/slip fault cause an earthquake, but the effects are--again--available through proxy data.

I'm afraid that withholding opinion on the past condition of the earth's climate until a time machine is built so we can send a meteorologist back is merely a stall tactic used by those who disbelieve science for one reason or another. As far as logic goes, it's a very poor substitute for real debate.
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66. JRRP
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AMY!!!

Get that fork ready. The season is almost done.
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The only thing that will prove to me that global warming is true... is if you can prove to me that the data before the modern era of weather equipment is 100% accurate... how can we know that 500 years ago this and this happened in the US when no one was here that recorded it happening?
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63. JRRP
Quoting JLPR2:
Looking good, why doesn't this one have a circle?


A VIGOROUS TROPICAL WAVE IS LOCATED OVER THE CENTRAL TROPICAL
ATLANTIC ABOUT 1200 MILES EAST-SOUTHEAST OF THE WINDWARD ISLANDS.
UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE FORECAST TO BECOME MORE CONDUCIVE FOR SOME
SLOW DEVELOPMENT OF THIS DISTURBANCE IN A COUPLE OF DAYS.
THERE IS
A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES WESTWARD OR
WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 15 TO 20 MPH.
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Quoting jeffs713:
52. Prove it. Prove there is no manmade cause.

And for people on the other side of the debate, the same challenge goes to you.

(not trying to start a fight, but rather prove a point)

The thing is, there appears to be no level of proof that will ever be enough for those who deny the proven science behind AGW. If one points at the numerous data points that show the planet is warming, the non-believers say those data aren't valid, and that pretty much ends the debate right then and there. It's like arguing with someone who swears up and down that water isn't wet, or that the sky isn't blue, or that the earth really sin't the center of the Universe.

(Of course, there's also the "Yes, it's warming, but it's not caused by man" line of denial, and the "Yes, it's caused by man, but it's not going to be that hot" line of denial, and the "Yes, it's going to be that hot, but it'll help as much as it will hurt" line of denial, and the "Yes, it's going to be overwhelmingly bad, but China and India don't care, so why should we?" line of denial, and so on, and so forth, ad nauseum, ad infinitum, world without end, amen.)

It's always struck me as somewhat amusing that scientists who speak out and demand that action be taken are accused of "politicizing" the GW debate, while Big Energy and the politicians they pay for are the very ones doing the accusing. If anything, the majority of scientists are constantly trying to "scientize" the debate; it's those with the most to gain by maintaining the fossil fuel status quo who spend the most cash and spew the most rhetoric in the very hopes of politicizing--and therefore polarizing and paralyzing--the debate.
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Quoting NavarreMark:


It does appear to be a good time to be in harbor.

Good to see ya back SY.


Thanks. Glad to be back, only to be blown away.

Here are the current conditions for Marquette, though this station is nowhere near Marquette. Sawyer is a former SAC (Strategic Air Command) base turned into a airport. If I remember correctly, they are a alternate place to land for the space shuttle because of the long runway.

Conditions at Oct 27, 2010 - 12:55 PM EDTOct 27, 2010 - 11:55 AM CDTOct 27, 2010 - 10:55 AM MDTOct 27, 2010 - 09:55 AM PDTOct 27, 2010 - 08:55 AM ADTOct 27, 2010 - 07:55 AM HDT
2010.10.27 1655 UTC
Wind from the SW (220 degrees) at 32 MPH (28 KT) gusting to 51 MPH (44 KT)
Visibility 10 mile(s)
Sky conditions overcast
Temperature 41 F (5 C)
Dew Point 30 F (-1 C)
Relative Humidity 65%
Pressure (altimeter) 29.05 in. Hg (983 hPa)
ob KSAW 271655Z 22028G44KT 10SM SCT028 BKN037 OVC070 05/M01 A2905

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Quoting 7544:
could we see 91L latter looks good


Maybe 92L, too.
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CMC just won't back down on developing that area around 23N/53W. GFS has been and continues to develop it, too, but dissipates it at sea. Euro hints, as does NOGAPS.

Direct hit on Bermuda for the CMC.

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56. 7544
could we see 91L latter looks good
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Quoting FatPenguin:
"The poles are getting colder, and Leon is getting larger." Hmmm, looks like the the de-ny-ers picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Rapunzel,Rapunzel!!!!!!!!!!!!
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52. Prove it. Prove there is no manmade cause.

And for people on the other side of the debate, the same challenge goes to you.

(not trying to start a fight, but rather prove a point)
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IT IS CALLED CYCLES OF WEATHER. YES WE ARE IN A WARM CYCLE BUT NOT BECAUSE OF MAN!
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Looking at the CIMSS maps, though, 850 and 700mb vorticity is all the way down at 21N. 24N is 500mb vort. Sheared big time.

But, that area (large area) shows improving vorticity at the lower levels and also improved convergence and divergence in the general area.

All over the place, though.
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24N/53W not looking to shabby on Sat right now either.

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Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.

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