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Potentially dangerous 92L steadily developing; Igor nears hurricane strength
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:04 PM GMT on September 11, 2010 +0
A tropical disturbance (92L) over the Eastern Caribbean, a few hundred miles south of Puerto Rico, is steadily organizing and appears likely to develop into a tropical depression by tonight or Sunday morning. Satellite loops show an impressive and expanding region of heavy thunderstorms, with good spiral banding and respectable upper-level outflow on all sides. Long range radar out of Puerto Rico shows that heavy rains are now affecting that island, but there is no rotation to the radar echoes evident. However, the rain bands are becoming more intense and more organized. San Juan, Puerto Rico reported a heavy rain squall at 8:44 am this morning, and radar estimates suggest two inches of rain fell in this squall just southeast of San Juan. Wind shear over 92L is low, 5 - 10 knots. The waters beneath are at near-record warmth, 30°C, and these warm waters extend to great depth. Water vapor satellite loops show a large area of dry air lies to the north and west of 92L, and this dry air could interfere with development at times over the next few days.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of 92L.

Track forecast for 92L
The disturbance is moving west-northwest at 11 mph, and steering currents favor a continuation of this motion for the next three days. Model support for development is scattered. The GFS and NOGAPS models do not develop 92L. The GFDL and ECMWF models predict development, with a track taking 92L into Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula on Wednesday. The HWRF model has a more northwesterly track, taking 92L over the Dominican Republic, Haiti, and Cuba, but this model has been trending too far north in its tracks. I expect 92L will follow a path south of the islands, bringing it near or just south of Jamaica on Monday, then into the Yucatan Peninsula on Wednesday. On this track, the southern Dominican Republic can expect heavy rains of 3 - 6 inches tonight through Monday morning; southern Haiti can expect similar rains Sunday through Monday, and Jamaica and the Cayman Islands can expect heavier rains of 4 - 8 inches Monday and Tuesday. Eastern Cuba will probably escape 92L's heaviest rains in this scenario (Figure 2.)

Intensity forecast for 92L
I can't find any reason to doubt this will be a tropical storm by Sunday or Monday, and potentially a Category 1 or 2 hurricane by Wednesday, if 92L avoids passage over Hispaniola and Cuba. The SHIPS model predicts wind shear will remain low, 5 - 10 knots, through the period, and makes 92L a Category 1 hurricane by Monday night. Water temperatures are certainly warm enough to support development. The main detriment to intensification is likely to be dry air, and 92L could wrap in some of the dry air to its northwest at times, slowing down development. The first Air Force Hurricane Hunter mission into 92L is scheduled for Sunday afternoon, but there will be a research mission by the National Center for Atmospheric Research G-V jet today that will give us valuable information on 92L's large scale environment and potential for development.


Figure 2. Forecast rain amounts from 92L from the 2am EDT Saturday run of the GFDL model. This model predicts most of 92L's heaviest rains will miss Haiti, but will affect Jamaica, the Cayman Islands, and the Yucatan Peninsula. Image credit: Morris Bender, NOAA/GFDL.

Igor
Tropical Storm Igor is very close to hurricane strength, and appears destined to become a large and powerful major hurricane over the Central Atlantic in the days to come. Wind shear is moderate, 15 - 20 knots, waters are warm, 28°C, and Igor has moistened its environment enough to keep the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) at bay. Igor will track west under the influence of a strong ridge of high pressure for the next three days, then turn more to the west-northwest in response to the steering influence of a broad trough of low pressure moving across the Western Atlantic on Tuesday and Wednesday. This should allow Igor to pass several hundred miles to the northeast of the Lesser Antilles. In the longer range, Igor may be a threat to Bermuda, and has a slight chance of making landfall on the U.S. East Coast or Canada. Climatology shows that about 10% of all tropical cyclones that have existed at Igor's current position have gone on to hit the U.S. East Coast; these odds are about 10% for Bermuda and 5% for Canada. The forecast steering pattern for the coming two weeks from the GFS model shows a continuation of the pattern we've seen all hurricane season, with regular strong troughs of low pressure moving off the U.S. East Coast. This pattern favors Igor eventually recurving out to sea without affecting any land areas. The odds of Igor hitting land in the U.S. or Canada are probably close to their climatological 10% and 5% probabilities, respectively.

Elsewhere in the tropics
A new tropical wave (Invest 93L) emerged from the coast of Africa yesterday, and is already showing signs of organization. Most of the models predict 93L will develop into a tropical depression 2 - 4 days from now, and NHC is giving 93L a 30% chance of developing by Monday.

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This may be my only post today; I'll have a new post Sunday morning.

Jeff Masters
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451. TropicalAnalystwx13 6:50 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting help4u:
All of these storms going out to sea looks like the pattern change all the models said would happen did not materialize.Big storms and big misses =quiet year for the states.Next week the pattern was suppose to change for 6 weeks now,looks like high major impact season will not happen.


We're not looking for Cape Verde systems to hit the US of A like a lot of you trolls think.

We're looking for home-grown storms in the Caribbean and Gulf to hit the US of A.
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453. CybrTeddy 6:52 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
What your going to see happen is convection will continue to fade up until about 9 o'clock or so, and the 8 pm TWO will still have 60%, then there will be a popping of convection, that's the way these storms develop. 92L's been very similar to that of the invest that spawned Hurricane Dolly so far to me.
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455. Krycek1984 6:52 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
This should be classified already:



I don't get it. The thing just rolled off Africa...it needs a chance to prove its self in open water for a while. If it's truly a depression the NHC will classify it...I personally would like to see persistence for another 12 hours or so. We have all seen beautiful waves/lows fall off the African coast and turn into nothing. I think the NHC is doing the right thing and when it's time to classify, they will.
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458. MiamiHurricanes09 6:54 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting extreme236:


I don't see why it would be 30%. Your going to see convective fluctuations with a system like this. Environmental conditions nonetheless are rather conducive, especially as it moves out of the eastern Caribbean.
ASCAT revealed that a surface circulation is not present in the system. So, even though environmental conditions are conducive, it will take time for the mid-level circulation to translate towards the surface and close. We'll see what happens.
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459. help4u 6:54 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Ike even the storm behind Igor is farther out to sea ,nothing is going to touch the east coast no matter what a NAO says,positive or negative.Not happening.Cape Verde season is one big fish.
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460. Jedkins01 6:54 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting StormW:
Quoting Jedkins01:
I don't see why 92L will struggle with dry air. I have seen people look at water vapor satellite and see dry air on it and say that it could be a threat to a tropical system.

What people do not realize is water vapor satellite only shows upper level moisture. The lower half of the atmosphere, where most moisture is held in the tropics, does not show on water vapor satellite.

Therefore what may appear as dry air on satellite does not mean the air is overall dry. Water vapor satellite is not really designed for measuring moisture at all, rather it is used to get a better picture of what is going on in the upper levels as apposed to infrared or visible.

See almost all of moisture that a hurricane gathers does not come from the upper levels obviously, being that it is a tropical cyclone of course.

Therefore only PWATS give a great example whether dry air is actually a threat to a tropical system. Since this is the measurement for total atmospheric moisture.

Although dry air on water vapor satellite CAN indicate a very dry air mass, it certainly doesn't always. The upper levels can be dry, while the lower levels of the atmosphere can be very moist. There an atmosphere can also be very moist even if the the water vapor satellite shows dry air in the upper levels.


Dry air is a threat to a tropical cyclone IF the overall atmosphere is dry. Mainly the over low to mid level dry air.



That being said, overall the PWATS ahead of 92L look quite high in the Caribbean as they usually are, so I don't see why 92L has any dry air threat.

The air mass isn't as moist as it can be in the Caribbean, but there's plenty enough moisture to not threaten 92L.


I disagree with Dr. Masters in this case, because of my observation...

That's not really true...the milky colors are upper level...the orange and brown are mid level...that's why we can use water vapor imagery to show steering at the 500 mb level.



Yes but total atmospheric moisture can be quite high still even when water vapor satellite shows dry air.

Also, the air mass can be quite dry when the water vapor shows moisture.

For example, over Florida a few days back, the water vapor showed very dry air over the peninsula. But this was very deceiving, because the PWAT was still reading 2.17 inches due to very deep low level moisture, and sure enough, storms popped everywhere with daytime heating as usual. We even received 2.13 inches in 25 minutes from a very heavy storm, which is common this time of year in central Florida.


But still, my point being is water vapor satellite does not necessarily confirm whether or not a an atmosphere is over all moist or dry.



However you're right that my mistake about water vapor satellite only indicating upper level conditions is not true. It also does indicate what is going on in the mid-levels.
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461. IKE 6:54 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
216 hours.....

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462. TropicalAnalystwx13 6:54 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting StormW:


Some folks just never give it a rest, do they?

How you doin Analyst?


Good.

Getting real tired of the trolls though.

How about you, Storm?
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464. cyclonekid 6:56 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
What your going to see happen is convection will continue to fade up until about 9 o'clock or so, and the 8 pm TWO will still have 60%, then there will be a popping of convection, that's the way these storms develop. 92L's been very similar to that of the invest that spawned Hurricane Dolly so far to me.
Agreed. +1
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465. help4u 6:56 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Storms that form in gulf all going west toward mexico.
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466. extreme236 6:56 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
ASCAT revealed that a surface circulation is not present in the system. So, even though environmental conditions are conducive, it will take time for the mid-level circulation to translate towards the surface and close. We'll see what happens.


Considering its past of having a surface circulation, we know it has the capability. Within 48 hours this should be a TC. But I welcome a difference in opinion. Would be too boring without it lol
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468. MiamiHurricanes09 6:57 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
You preach about patience and sometimes you have less than anyone else. StormW, Dr Masters, Levi and you yourself said it will be a slow process. Dr Masters said "92L could wrap in some of the dry air to its northwest at times, slowing down development." Doesn't mean chances are less, does it ?
Ok? I'm not speaking about convective wane, I'm talking about the lack of a surface circulation.
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469. IKE 6:57 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
ECMWF @ day 10....lower 48 has deflector shields up in 2010....and the clock is ticking....

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470. lennit 6:57 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
That what i been saying too Analyist. but some just believe that somehow this cent-atl trof is gonna lift or flatten out and igor will come West.and still waiting for this pattern change..
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472. bird72 6:59 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting StormW:


In his video yesterday?

No, the video he post today, the Japanese model and I think he say the gfs.
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474. Krycek1984 7:00 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
I do notice on Water Vapor that the moisture field around 92L is increasing in coverage significantly.
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475. Jedkins01 7:00 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting Thundercloud01221991:
Igor has gotten a lot smaller today... we could see this ramp up fairly fast today



Igor has not shrunk, he just sucked in some dry air, the circulation of Igor remains the same size as yesterday as you can view on visible imagery. All that happened was Igor lost some convective growth. But as time passes it will flare back up.



Large tropical cyclones can intensify rapidly too, Wilma was a very large tropical cyclone, and absolutely exploded.
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476. Cat5Hurricane250 7:00 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Latest ECMWF coming right for Bermuda
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477. stillwaiting 7:01 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Alot of what looks ominous w/92l is in the mid levels,we'll see how it looks tomorrow morning looks like a classic llc goes north and any llc shoots out to the west...
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478. WeatherNerdPR 7:01 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting IKE:
Day 8 ECMWF.

Bermuda ouch.
Good Afternoon Wunder bloggers.
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479. Jedkins01 7:02 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting StormW:


I imagine you're pretty pumped up about classes?




Yeah, not so pumped about what I'm doing now lol, more of what I'm looking forward to. I'm doing all the math and physics first before I do the actual MET classes, so there's nothing pretty or exciting about school yet.

Its just a good feeling to know what lies ahead, and what I can look forward to!
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480. RickWPB 7:03 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
Out 'til later.

Tropical Tidbit for Saturday, September 11th, with Video

Thanks Levi...
for your tropical tidbit. Sure didn't like the Japanese model you shared with us. Let's tell Japan to stick to making cars... not forecast models. 8^)
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481. help4u 7:03 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Agree Ike, season is going to end fast after these next 3 fish storms and any storms that form in gulf or caribbeaen will head toward Mexico.High major impact season was a model fantasy!lol!
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482. tropicaltank 7:03 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting IKE:
ECMWF on 92L...keeps it at 1006 mb's til hitting the Yucatan and then gets it down to 1003 mb's in the Bay of Campeche...heading for Mexico.
Maybe head NW and shoot the gap to GOM?
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484. jacechase 7:04 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
so your saying the stronger 92 is the further north??? Where is it going? I just tuned in
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485. sunlinepr 7:04 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    

Feeding water vapor from the south. Dry air in the north..
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487. IKE 7:05 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting tropicaltank:
Maybe head NW and shoot the gap to GOM?



SYNOPSIS FOR THE GULF OF MEXICO
1030 AM CDT SAT SEP 11 2010

.SYNOPSIS...TROUGH WILL MOVE W ACROSS THE BAY OF CAMPECHE SUN
THROUGH WED. A COLD FRONT WILL CLIP THE FAR N WATERS LATE SUN
INTO MON. OTHERWISE WEAK HIGH PRES WILL DOMINATE THE REMAINDER
OF THE GULF THROUGH WED.
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488. Kibkaos 7:06 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Good.

Getting real tired of the trolls though.

How about you, Storm?


Hey I was wondering what is a troll for this blog?
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489. jacechase 7:06 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting tropicaltank:
Maybe head NW and shoot the gap to GOM?

thanks you answered my question
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490. help4u 7:06 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
92l mexico the rest fish.
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491. MiamiHurricanes09 7:06 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting KanKunKid:


I'm on board with you on this one MH09, It has lot of convection, but it hasn't formed a low in one place. I think if and when it does, it could really ramp up fast. But, since the models show it coming at me, it ruins the excitement.
I agree there, right now the circulation is in the mid-levels. Once it translates to the surface, a hurricane is very possible.
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492. lennit 7:06 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
see with lack of Epac and WPac activity and rapid tanking el-nino nothing changes the pattern it just keeps progressing and reamplifying in same places doesn't matter if neg NAO or not if there is no system there to begin with its a moot point
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493. sunlinepr 7:07 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
It seems 92L is receiving water vapor from the south, though it has dry air in the north....

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494. WeatherNerdPR 7:07 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Did anyone notice a little bit of spin? To the East of Bermuda, well Northwest of Igor?
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495. Parkay 7:07 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Newbiecaster here, but in the last frame or two of the 92L floater, it looks like some COC has formed. Dunno if it is mid or low level, but the structure of the storm seems to have radically improved.
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496. jacechase 7:09 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting IKE:



SYNOPSIS FOR THE GULF OF MEXICO
1030 AM CDT SAT SEP 11 2010

.SYNOPSIS...TROUGH WILL MOVE W ACROSS THE BAY OF CAMPECHE SUN
THROUGH WED. A COLD FRONT WILL CLIP THE FAR N WATERS LATE SUN
INTO MON. OTHERWISE WEAK HIGH PRES WILL DOMINATE THE REMAINDER
OF THE GULF THROUGH WED.


we are supposed to have a "cold Front" move thru here, lake charles area on monday, should be a drop in humidity, and wondering if this will nudge the storm northwestward
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498. weathergeek5 7:10 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Storm or whoever:

Have a a few questions


1. Have you ever wished to experience a hurricane?

2. Did your opinion of hurricanes change after you experienced it?

3. What changes did you make after the experience of the hurricane?
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499. jacechase 7:10 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting WeatherNerdPR:
Did anyone notice a little bit of spin? To the East of Bermuda, well Northwest of Igor?


there is a spin to the wsw of igor on the visible


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500. Kibkaos 7:11 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Someone who acts stupid, for lack of better word, on the blog.

I can name one in here at this time- help4u



Gotcha. I just wanted to stay clear troll classification. Seriously though it is amazing how active this season is compared to earlier this summer. Is this what you have been expecting?
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501. Jedkins01 7:11 PM GMT on September 11, 2010    
Quoting StormW:


I wish you the best of luck!



Thanks!

Its good to see there are actually few people on this blog like you still that correct me and actually know what they are talking about. I hate when people immaturely make rude replies to me and don't have a clue about meteorology lol.


I like learning new things, after all that's why I'm going to college now for meteorology. Correction is good, as long as it comes from people who know their stuff!
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