Danielle a hurricane; TD 7 forming off coast of Africa

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:18 PM GMT on August 24, 2010

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Hurricane Danielle has stopped intensifying and is now looking a bit ragged this morning, but remains a respectable Category 1 hurricane with 80 mph winds. The intensity of Danielle's heavy thunderstorms has waned in the past few hours, and the organization of the storm is less impressive. This is probably due do strong upper-level winds out of the west that are creating a moderate 10 - 20 knots of wind shear, and injecting some of the dry air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) that surrounds Danielle. Danielle is over warm 28°C water, but is far from any land areas.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Tropical Storm Danielle (left side of image) and the forming Tropical Depression Seven (right side of image.)

Forecast for Danielle
A powerful trough of low pressure over the mid-Atlantic Ocean will begin to pull Danielle more to the northwest by Wednesday, keeping Danielle well to the east of Bermuda. Most of the models predict that this trough will be strong enough to fully recurve Danielle out to sea. It is possible that Danielle could eventually threaten Newfoundland, Canada, but it currently does not appear that any other land areas will be at risk from this storm. History suggests that a storm in Danielle's current location has only a 20% chance of making landfall on the U.S. East Coast. If Danielle passes east of Bermuda, as forecast, these percentages drop to less than 5%. As far as intensity goes, it is looking unlikely that Danielle will attain major hurricane status (115+ mph winds.) There is enough dry air and wind shear affecting the storm today that it will take several days for the storm to recover its strength, making it less likely the storm can hit Category 3.

The formation of Danielle is remarkable in this it was successfully forecast by the GFS model nearly two weeks in advance. The ECMWF and NOGAPS models also did a good job of predicting Danielle's formation a week in advance. The models are getting better and better each year at forecasting genesis of tropical cyclones, though a successful 1-week forecast of genesis is still a rarity. For example, none of the models foresaw the development of 96L until just 3 - 4 days ago.


Figure 2. Plot showing historically the percent chance of a tropical cyclone in a given location impacting the U.S. East Coast. For storms in Danielle's current position (orange hurricane symbol), about 20% of them go on to hit the U.S. East Coast. For storms in 96L's current location (red circle with a "?" in it), the odds are also 20%. Image credit: Bob Hart, Florida State University.

96L (soon to be Tropical Depression Seven)
Satellite images suggests that a tropical wave (96L) that emerged off the coast of Africa yesterday morning has developed a closed circulation, low-level spiral bands, and an increasing amount of heavy thunderstorms. While this morning's ASCAT pass does not show a clear closed circulation, satellite estimates of 96L's strength support calling this a 30 mph tropical depression. It is likely that this storm will be designated Tropical Depression Seven later today. 96L is already bringing heavy rain and strong, gusty winds to the southern Cape Verde Islands. Winds were sustained at 26 mph at Mindelo in the northwest Cape Verde Islands this morning, and 24 mph at Praia, the station closest to the center of 96L. Both stations were reporting widespread dust, due to strong winds blowing Saharan dust from the coast of Africa. However, water vapor satellite images show that only a modest amount of dry air is accompanying this dust, and dry air is currently not a major detriment to 96L. Wind shear is about 10 - 20 knots, and sea surface temperatures are warm, 28°C.

Forecast for 96L/Tropical Depression Seven
Wind shear is predicted to remain low, 5 - 10 knots, for the next four days. SSTs will cool a bit to 27°C by Thursday, but this is still above the 26.5°C threshold for hurricane development. Dry air will probably be the main inhibiting factor for 96L. Most of the intensity forecast models bring 96L to hurricane strength by four days from now, and this is a reasonable forecast. 96L should become Tropical Storm Earl later today or on Wednesday, and will probably bring sustained winds of 40 mph to the southernmost Cape Verdes Islands tonight and Wednesday.

The long range fate of 96L remains unclear. The storm is being steering by the same ridge of high pressure steering Danielle, and will initially follow a track similar to Danielle. 96L may encounter the cold waters stirred up by Danielle at times this week, inhibiting development. As 96L approaches the central Atlantic five days from now, the storm will encounter the same mid-Atlantic trough that will be steering Danielle, and 96L should turn more to the northwest. It is unclear at this point whether this trough will be strong enough to fully recurve 96L out to sea, east of Bermuda. This will, in part, depend upon how strong Danielle gets. A stronger Danielle is likely to create more of a break in the ridge of high pressure steering 96L, encouraging the storm to turn north and recurve out to sea. A weaker Danielle will make 96L more likely to miss recurvature, and follow a track to the west or west-northwest towards the U.S. East Coast early next week. History suggests that a storm in 96L's current location has only a 20% chance of making landfall on the U.S. East Coast.

When will the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico get active?
The large scale atmospheric circulation over the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico currently features relatively dry, stable, sinking air. This is due, in part, to the Madden-Julian oscillation (MJO). The Madden-Julian oscillation is a pattern of enhanced rainfall that travels along the Equator from west to east. The pattern has a wet phase with large-scale rising air and enhanced thunderstorm activity, followed by a dry phase with large-scale sinking air and suppressed thunderstorm activity. Each cycle lasts approximately 30 - 60 days. When the Madden-Julian oscillation is in its wet phase over a hurricane-prone region, the chances for tropical storm activity are greatly increased. The latest MJO forecast from the GFS model calls for the wet phase of the MJO to move into the Caribbean during the first week of September. However, keep in mind that forecasts of MJO activity 1 - 2 weeks in advance are not very skillful. The GFS model forecast of MJO activity made two weeks ago did fairly well for the first week, but poorly for the second week of the forecast.

Tropical Storm Frank spares Mexico
Over in the Eastern Pacific, Tropical Storm Frank has moved away the coast far enough from the Mexican coast to no longer pose a heavy rainfall threat, and all tropical storm warnings have been dropped.

"Hurricane Haven" airing again this afternoon
Tune into another airing of my live Internet radio show, "Hurricane Haven", at 4pm EDT today. Listeners will be able to call in and ask questions. The call in number is 415-983-2634, or you can post a question in the comments area on my blog during the show. You can also email the questions to me today before the show: jmasters@wunderground.com. Be sure to include "Hurricane Haven question" in the subject line. I'll focus on Danielle, Earl, and Frank, and discuss the possibilities of a hyperactive Atlantic hurricane period coming during the first week of September.

Today's show will be 30 - 45 minutes, and you can tune in at http://www.wunderground.com/wxradio/wubroadcast.h tml. The show will be recorded and stored as a podcast.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:



This is a graph I have been working on, so don't laugh too hard. It shows the verification error for each forecast (Advisory #1, 2,...) for each time frame on Danielle. Positive bars show a position north of forecast, negative south of forecast. While the first forecast has verified pretty well, this shows subsequent forecasts not doing as well. Compare the errors to the cone radii, which are 36 n mi for 12 hours, 62 n mi for 24 hours, 85 n mi for 36 hours and 108 n mi for 48 hours. Many of the subsequent forecasts are outside of the cone.



That is nice...thanks for sharing.
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Quoting K8eCane:



Wish i had missed Floyd LOL
Had to evacuate inland at 7 months pregnant and wound up stuck in that hotel for a week trying to swim back home...absolutely awful


Hurricaines are bad enough but a pregnant women without electricity is true terror!
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Quoting Levi32:


Geez....that does sound horrid.


Not quite as bad, but we were in the Rita evacuation with my wife about 6 months pregnant. As anyone who has had to deal with a pregnant woman can tell you, they are not pleasant when there is no easy access to restrooms. ;)
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Quoting angiest:


Floyd?
I don't think Isidore was supposed to be a backdoor Yucatan storm, let alone do that loop over the peninsula.


With Floyd, tons in Florida evacuated, only to see Floyd turn parallel to the coast at the last second. At 15, That was the first storm that really peaked my interest in the tropics.
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NHC is going mostly by this from earlier, and satellite loops do not show any significant tightening quite yet. The circulation is elongated north to south.

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543. Vero1
TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
205 PM EDT TUE AUG 24 2010

...DISCUSSION...

THE GULF OF MEXICO...
A 1009 MB LOW IS INLAND OVER SW GEORGIA NEAR 31N85W. A SURFACE
TROUGH EXTENDS SW FROM THE LOW CENTER TO THE CENTRAL GULF ALONG
28N86W 25N92W. CLUSTERS OF SCATTERED MODERATE TO ISOLATED STRONG
CONVECTION ARE WITHIN 180 NM SW OF THE TROUGH AXIS. SCATTERED
MODERATE CONVECTION IS ALSO OVER THE NW GULF FROM 26N-29N
BETWEEN 93W-95W MOVING W. RADAR IMAGERY ALSO SHOWS SCATTERED
SHOWERS OVER THE SE GULF AND S FLORIDA MOVING E. ELSEWHERE...A
SURFACE TROUGH IS OVER THE BAY OF CAMPECHE AND S MEXICO ALONG
22N92W 15N92W. ISOLATED SHOWERS ARE WITHIN 60 NM OF THE TROUGH
AXIS. IN THE UPPER LEVELS...AN UPPER LEVEL HIGH IS CENTERED OVER
CENTRAL TEXAS NEAR 30N99W PRODUCING MAINLY NE UPPER LEVEL WINDS
OVER THE GULF. SIGNIFICANT UPPER LEVEL MOISTURE IS OVER THE GULF
S OF 29N. EXPECT...LITTLE CHANGE OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

THE CARIBBEAN SEA...
15-20 KT TRADEWINDS ARE OVER THE CARIBBEAN. A TROPICAL WAVE IS
OVER THE CENTRAL CARIBBEAN. SEE ABOVE. SCATTERED MODERATE TO
ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION IS OVER THE SW CARIBBEAN FROM 7N-15N
BETWEEN 76W-82W. SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION IS ALSO S OF THE
CAYMAN ISLANDS FROM 16N-19N BETWEEN 78W-82W. ELSEWHERE...
SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION IS OVER THE WINDWARD ISLANDS FROM
9N-13N BETWEEN 60W-64W...AND FROM 13N-15N BETWEEN 64W-69W DUE TO
AN ACTIVE ITCZ. EXPECT OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS...CONTINUED
SHOWERS AND CONVECTION OVER THE SOUTHERN CARIBBEAN AND CENTRAL
AMERICA.

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anybody have more forecast models to show?
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Quoting K8eCane:



Wish i had missed Floyd LOL
Had to evacuate inland at 7 months pregnant and wound up stuck in that hotel for a week trying to swim back home...absolutely awful


Geez....that does sound horrid.
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Quoting btwntx08:
watch them renumber lol looks good enough


if the nhc says there is yet a well defined center, I doubt it gets a renumber yet
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Quoting SeaMule:
weakens to a whimper....for no particular reason. and for no particular reason...stayed west. then, cause it felt like it....it ramped up again.


nah...it's a bust


Nah...the squall line that formed to its west this morning (looked like a feeder band but it wasn't...did you see the arc clouds in front of the line...)?) created some subsidence in its wake and pumped some dry air into Danielle's mid-and low level circulation. With that feature dissipated now, convection is reforming over the COC and Danielle will now resume intensifying..every thing else is going for it.
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Quoting StormW:
Levi, great update again!!

Really enjoyed it.


Thanks Storm!
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537. Vero1
TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
205 PM EDT TUE AUG 24 2010

BASED ON 1200 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY
THROUGH 1715 UTC.

...SPECIAL FEATURES...

THE CENTER OF HURRICANE DANIELLE AT 24/1500 UTC IS NEAR 16.6N
46.5W...OR ABOUT 985 MI...1585 KM E OF THE LESSER ANTILLES
...MOVING WEST 17 KT. THE ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS
985 MB. THE MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WIND SPEEDS ARE 70 KT WITH GUSTS
TO 85 KT. DANIELLE HAS WEAKENED DURING THE PAST SIX HOURS BUT
RE-STRENGTHENING IS POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. PLEASE
READ THE LATEST NHC FORECAST/ADVISORY UNDER AWIPS/WMO HEADERS
MIATCMAT1/WTNT21 KNHC AND THE LATEST PUBLIC ADVISORY UNDER
MIATCPAT1/WTNT31 KNHC FOR MORE DETAILS. SCATTERED MODERATE TO
ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION IS FROM 14N-18N BETWEEN 44W-48W.

A 1008 MB LOW IS S OF THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS NEAR 14N23W MOVING
WNW AT 20 KT. THIS LOW IS STEADILY DEEPENING AND IS EXPECTED TO
DEVELOP TO A TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 48 HOURS.
SCATTERED MODERATE TO ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION IS FROM 12N-16N
BETWEEN 22W-25W.

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535. JLPR2
Looks like the anticyclone ran ahead of Danielle

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Quoting DestinJeff:


I'll email the NHC to ask them to move the computers out of the Echo Chamber.


Make sure they are properly shielded against gamma radiation. We don't need bitrot to set in.
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Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:



This is a graph I have been working on, so don't laugh too hard. It shows the verification error for each forecast (Advisory #1, 2,...) for each time frame on Danielle. Positive bars show a position north of forecast, negative south of forecast. While the first forecast has verified pretty well, this shows subsequent forecasts not doing as well. Compare the errors to the cone radii, which are 36 n mi for 12 hours, 62 n mi for 24 hours, 85 n mi for 36 hours and 108 n mi for 48 hours. Many of the subsequent forecasts are outside of the cone.



nicely done, I like that
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Quoting Levi32:


Yeah, well you gotta remember I don't remember anything before 2003 lol. I mentioned Lili because I saw that one on the news when I was little, but yeah, Floyd was one I missed.



Wish i had missed Floyd LOL
Had to evacuate inland at 7 months pregnant and wound up stuck in that hotel for a week trying to swim back home...absolutely awful
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Quoting crashingwaves:



I like Storm W comments too. Everything else you said in your message, I totaly agree. I come here to get informative info about any tropical system out in the Atlantic or what could develop. I'm not professional weather met. But I like reading and getting good info from others. This is the only forum that I found thats happening right now.jmo


well, to me, if someone doesnt like storm, then they must be a nut with a huge ego. i just think that. i mean, its gotta take a huge ego on the line to feel threatened when he makes a professional judgement.?? i mean gosh, who would argue with him haha. go threat your neighbor instead.
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I have seen some posts that state the NHC has done a good job of tracking Danielle. I don't think that this has been their best effort. But please remember, past performance is no indication of future performance. I suggest that will be the case here. Also, the mix of bloggers on this site is very varied. The efforts of the neophytes to learn from the experts here is very clear to me. Give us a break and let us learn. And in spite of the efforts of a few, I remain determined to get the hang of this stuff. For those of you out there that want to learn a little something from those that post here, take this little tidbit to heart:

Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence.
Talent will not, nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent
Genius will not, unrewarded genius is almost a proverb
Education will not, the world is full of education derelicts
Persistence and determination alone are unbeatable!!

With all that said, I would like to get to the business of Danielle, 96L and whether the front in N. Texas will be a player in cooling off Texas and redirecting Danielle.
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GFS and NOGAPS has shifted west quite a bit, showing the possible ridge a bit stronger and elongated. The NOGAPS shows the ridge further east, catching the storm, steering it towards Cape Cod. This was in my scenario which was at -10% chance, still is unless more models start hinting at this scenario. It's possible, stranger things have occurred.
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Danielle looks terrible
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Quoting IKE:


NHC has done a great job on track.

Props to you folks in Coral Gables.



This is a graph I have been working on, so don't laugh too hard. It shows the verification error for each forecast (Advisory #1, 2,...) for each time frame on Danielle. Positive bars show a position north of forecast, negative south of forecast. While the first forecast has verified pretty well, this shows subsequent forecasts not doing as well. Compare the errors to the cone radii, which are 36 n mi for 12 hours, 62 n mi for 24 hours, 85 n mi for 36 hours and 108 n mi for 48 hours. Many of the subsequent forecasts are outside of the cone.

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Quoting Hurricanes101:
no well defined circulation with 96L

No TD


Could become one at any time.
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Quoting Levi32:


Yeah, well you gotta remember I don't remember anything before 2003 lol. I mentioned Lili because I saw that one on the news when I was little, but yeah, Floyd was one I missed.


Lili was an interesting one. We went from storm discussions talking about a dangerous ~20ft storm surge approaching the coast to... a fizzle.
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Quoting Levi32:
Say it isn't so!

Big shift from the NOGAPS at 12z...hints that the ridge could still do tricky things, but recurvature east of the US is still most likely.

Anything is possible - wait and see for consensus later on today - if she gets weaker by ingesting that dry air she won't be able to break through
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Hey everyone... long time lurker, first time poster. I do not pretend to know anything in comparison to most of you but I did feel like it was time to at least say hello.

As far as Danielle I am amazed at how drastically she has changed over the past several hours and agree with DestinJeff that I'm surprised a weaker TS would still have the same forecast track as a cat 1/2 hurricane.
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517. IKE
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 PM EDT TUE AUG 24 2010

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON HURRICANE
DANIELLE...LOCATED ABOUT 985 MILES EAST OF THE LESSER ANTILLES.

AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE LOCATED ABOUT 150 MILES SOUTH-SOUTHWEST OF
THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS CONTINUES TO SHOW SIGNS OF ORGANIZATION.
HOWEVER...SATELLITE DATA INDICATES THAT A WELL-DEFINED CENTER HAS
NOT YET FORMED. THIS SYSTEM COULD BECOME A TROPICAL DEPRESSION AT
ANY TIME AS IT MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD NEAR 15 MPH. THERE IS A
HIGH CHANCE...90 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. LOCALLY HEAVY SHOWERS AND STRONG
GUSTY WINDS OVER THE SOUTHERN CAPE VERDE ISLANDS SHOULD BEGIN TO
DECREASE LATER TONIGHT OR ON WEDNESDAY.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER BERG
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000
ABNT20 KNHC 241733
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 PM EDT TUE AUG 24 2010

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON HURRICANE
DANIELLE...LOCATED ABOUT 985 MILES EAST OF THE LESSER ANTILLES.

AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE LOCATED ABOUT 150 MILES SOUTH-SOUTHWEST OF
THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS CONTINUES TO SHOW SIGNS OF ORGANIZATION.
HOWEVER...SATELLITE DATA INDICATES THAT A WELL-DEFINED CENTER HAS
NOT YET FORMED.
THIS SYSTEM COULD BECOME A TROPICAL DEPRESSION AT
ANY TIME AS IT MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD NEAR 15 MPH. THERE IS A
HIGH CHANCE...90 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. LOCALLY HEAVY SHOWERS AND STRONG
GUSTY WINDS OVER THE SOUTHERN CAPE VERDE ISLANDS SHOULD BEGIN TO
DECREASE LATER TONIGHT OR ON WEDNESDAY.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER BERG
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no well defined circulation with 96L

No TD
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Quoting angiest:


Floyd?
I don't think Isidore was supposed to be a backdoor Yucatan storm, let alone do that loop over the peninsula.


Yeah, well you gotta remember I don't remember anything before 2003 lol. I mentioned Lili because I saw that one on the news when I was little, but yeah, Floyd was one I missed.
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Quoting DestinJeff:
I don't understand how D can lose intensity to such a degree, yet the forecast track remains the same as when she was Cat 1/2.

Given atmospheric dynamics, wouldn't a TS track differently than a Cat 1/2?

Or do I need to switch dealers?


Models are initializing a different storm than we have now, so far.

But the models are in good agreement, just not with reality.
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511. IKE
Blog is eating posts. Oh well...wasn't worth posting on here anyway.
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510. JRRP
96L looks like TD
Link
see you later
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weakens to a whimper....for no particular reason. and for no particular reason...stayed west. then, cause it felt like it....it ramped up again.


nah...it's a bust
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Quoting K8eCane:




Been around a long time Levi
I guess I just dont follow them closely as some
and I didnt have any idea that they were wrong on all those storms and i am amazed at that so thank ya!


I know I know, just teasing lol.
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Quoting Levi32:


Ike....Frances....Katrina....Lili....Chris....list goes on. They are wrong just as many times as a lot of other people, but they do a great job most of the time.

If you can't think of a time they were wrong then you haven't been around long lol.


Floyd?
I don't think Isidore was supposed to be a backdoor Yucatan storm, let alone do that loop over the peninsula.
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Quoting Levi32:


Exactly.


How many times do people need to learn that one?
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Quoting Levi32:


Ike....Frances....Katrina....Lili....Chris....list goes on. They are wrong just as many times as a lot of other people, but they do a great job most of the time.

If you can't think of a time they were wrong then you haven't been around long lol.




Been around a long time Levi
I guess I just dont follow them closely as some
and I didnt have any idea that they were wrong on all those storms and i am amazed at that so thank ya!
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503. IKE
Struggling....

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Quoting angiest:


When dealing with a TC, never let your guard down, no matter how set in stone the forecast appears.


Exactly.
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Quoting sarahjola:
storm is a good guy, and he offers a lot of experience and information to all of us. i have been a member of this blog for a few years now and i have never seen such disrespect,bickering, and childishness. everyday in this blog people are treating others like crap. reporting,poofing, and calling people trolls for asking questions, and offering opinions. all of these actions are ignorant. you can not call someone a troll and not be a troll yourself. you can not offer an opinion of your own, and turn around and say everyone else's opinion is crap. if your gonna poof someone for being a troll why do you have to engage in an argument by posting that you poofed that person and calling for others to do the same. this is all childish behavior and trollish in nature. all these issues are very easy to deal with. simply ignore those you don't agree with. if your not looking for a argument you won't feel the need to post your poof, and ask other to do the same. just ignore and move on. don't comment to post that aggravate you. personally i like to read all post and enjoy the difference of opinion. we are all throwing darts in here as mother nature is unpredictable.
Danielle seems to be falling apart, or just not as well defined as it was yesterday. wonder why?



I like Storm W comments too. Everything else you said in your message, I totaly agree. I come here to get informative info about any tropical system out in the Atlantic or what could develop. I'm not professional weather met. But I like reading and getting good info from others. This is the only forum that I found thats happening right now.jmo
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Quoting Levi32:
Say it isn't so!

Big shift from the NOGAPS at 12z...hints that the ridge could still do tricky things, but recurvature east of the US is still most likely.



When dealing with a TC, never let your guard down, no matter how set in stone the forecast appears.
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Quoting engine112:
So this will be my last post on the main blog page. I came home this morning after working 12hrs. in florida, in the rain, taking care of the sick and injured. I read up on the updates and posted three questions. I know I am not a meterologist but I like to learn things, so I ask questions. When I wake up later today I waded through 150 or more post only to find alot of people whinning and moaning. It's like recees time in the fourth grade on here. All I wanted was a few scientific minded responses and the blog is so over loaded with BS (that's not bachlor in science either) that I can't even see my original post---

This blog has lost its value to me.

Have a good day and remember, threat your neighbor the way you would want them to treat you! (some people may due well to remember this rule - remember the golden rule)


haha i think "threat your neighbor" is almost as funny as "we are doom" !
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