Flooding death toll in Southeast U.S. floods rises to 24; oil slick moving little

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:11 PM GMT on May 04, 2010

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The death toll from last weekend's record flooding in Tennessee, Kentucky, and Mississippi has risen to 24, making it the deadliest non-tropical storm or hurricane flood disaster in the U.S. since the October 1998 Central Texas floods that killed 31 when a cold front stalled over Texas. As flood waters recede today, the toll from last weekend's floods is expected to grow higher. Particularly hard-hit was the Nashville, Tennessee area, where ten fatalities were reported. The city had its heaviest 1-day and 2-day rainfall amounts in its history over the weekend. A remarkable 7.25" of rain fell on the city Sunday, breaking the record for most rain in a single day (6.60", set September 13, 1979.) Nashville's third greatest day of rainfall on record occurred Saturday, when 6.32" fell. Nashville also eclipsed its greatest 6-hour and 12-hour rainfall events on record, with 5.57" and 7.20", respectively, falling on Sunday. And, only two days into the month, the weekend rains made it the rainiest May in Nashville's history.

Rainfall records were smashed all across Tennessee, Kentucky, and northern Mississippi over the weekend, with amounts as high as 17.73" recorded at Camden, TN, and 17.02" at Brownsville, TN. According to Chris Burt, the author of the excellent book Extreme Weather, the 13.30" that fell on Camden in 24 hours just missed eclipsing the state's all-time 24-hour precipitation record, the 13.60" inches that fell on Milan on September 13, 1982. Jackson, Tennessee had its rainiest day in its 63-year weather history on Sunday, 7.93". Bowling Green Kentucky had its heaviest 2-day precipitation event on record, 9.67". Records in Bowling Green go back to 1870.


Figure 1. Satellite-estimated precipitable water at 23 UTC (7 pm EDT) Sunday, May 2, 2010. Precipitable water is a measure of how much rain would be produced if all the water vapor and cloud moisture through the depth of the atmosphere were to fall as rain. Values above 50 mm (about 2 inches) are frequently associated with flooding. Sunday's precipitable water image showed a tropical disturbance crossed Mexico into the Gulf of Mexico, dragging a plume of very moist air northwards over the Southeast U.S. Image credit: University of Wisconsin GOES Satellite Blog.


Figure 2. Flood forecast for the Cumberland River in Nashville, Tennessee. Image credit: NOAA.

The record rains were accompanied by a surge of very warm air that set record high temperature marks at 21 major airports across the Eastern U.S. on Saturday. This is not surprising, since more moisture can evaporate into warmer air, making record-setting rainfall events more likely when record high temperatures are present. Accompanying this warm air was moisture from a tropical disturbance that crossed over Mexico from the tropical East Pacific over the weekend (Figure 1.)

The record rains sent the Cumberland River in downtown Nashville surging to 51.86' this morning, 12' over flood height, and the highest level the river has reached since a flood control project was completed in the early 1960s. The previous post-flood control project record level was 47.6', set on March 15, 1975 (the river hit 56.2' in 1929, before the flood control project was built.) The river has now crested (Figure 2) and is expected to recede below flood stage by Wednesday morning. There are no further rains in the forecast this week for Tennessee. At least four rivers in Tennessee reached their greatest flood heights on record this week. Most remarkable was the Duck River at Centreville, which crested at 47', a full 25 feet above flood stage, and ten feet higher than the previous record crest, achieved in 1948 (to check out the flood heights, use our wundermap for Nashville with the "USGS River" layer turned on.)

Funding issues to take 17 Tennessee streamgages offline
According to the USGS web site, seventeen Tennessee streamflow gages with records going back up to 85 years will stop collecting data on July 1 because of budget cuts. With up to eighteen people in Tennessee dying from flooding this weekend, now hardly seems to be the time to be skimping on monitoring river flow levels by taking 17 of Tennessee's 94 streamflow gages out of service. These gages are critical for proper issuance of flood warnings to people in harm's way. Furthermore, Tennessee and most of the northern 2/3 of the U.S. can expect a much higher incidence of record flooding in coming decades. This will be driven by two factors: increased urban development causing faster run-off, and an increase in very heavy precipitation events due to global warming. Both factors have already contributed to significant increases in flooding events in recent decades over much of the U.S. The USGS web site advertises that users who can contribute funding for the non-Federal share of costs to continue operation of these streamgages should contact Shannon Williams of the USGS Tennessee Water Science Center at 615-837-4755 or swilliam@usgs.gov. Tennessee is not the only state with streamgages at risk of closing down; fully 276 gages in 37 states have been shut down or will be shut down later this year. If you have questions about specific streamgages, click on the state of concern on the USGS web page of threatened stream gages.

Oil spill update
The oil slick from the April 20 explosion and blowout of the offshore oil rig Deepwater Horizon has retreated from the coast, thanks to a slackening of the persistent onshore winds that have affected the northern Gulf of Mexico over the past week. According to the latest NWS marine forecast, winds will be light and variable through Wednesday, resulting in little transport of the oil slick. Winds will then resume a weak onshore flow at 5 - 10 knots, Thursday through Friday, then reverse to blow offshore at 5 - 10 knots over the weekend. The net result of this wind pattern will be little transport of the oil slick. The only areas at risk of landfalling oil over the next five days will be the mouth of the Mississippi River in Louisiana, and the Chandeleur Islands. The latest forecast of Gulf currents from the NOAA HYCOM model (see also this alternative view of the HYCOM ocean current forecast) show weak ocean currents affecting the region during the remainder of the week. These currents will not be strong enough to push any oil southwards into the Loop Current over the next five days, so the Keys and South Florida are safe from oil for now. I'll have a post on the long-range prospects for oil to enter the Loop Current later this week, and a discussion of how a hurricane might affect and be affected by the oil spill.


Figure 3. Forecast location at 6pm CDT Tuesday, May 4, 2010, of the oil slick from the Deepwater Horizon blowout. Image credit: NOAA Office of Response and Restoration. See also the trajectory maps available at State of Louisiana web site.

Jeff Masters

Alice Aycock sculpture (laughingjester)
If you saw my other pics of this sculpture you cam get an idea how high the Cumberland river has risen. when I left it was still getting higher.
Alice Aycock sculpture
Harpeth River Flooding (XMLP)
Harpeth River Flooding
Removing the flood damaged cars and trucks. (laughingjester)
I am a wrecker driver for Martin's wrecker service. We were called to remove the vehicles that got caught in the flooding on interstate I 24 westbound near the Bell Road exit in Nashville Tennessee. Of course this is after the waters had subsided. It was roughly 200, 250 cars and trucks that got caught up in the flood..
Removing the flood damaged cars and trucks.
Nashville Flooding (jadnash)
This is looking east - the Cumberland River is just on the other side of the buildings.
Nashville Flooding
Parking via Mother Nature (jadnash)
This car drove into the swiftly moving water at the Belle Meade Kroger and was thrown up against a parking deck. Luckily someone got a ladder and dropped it down to break the rear window and the driver climbed out safely!
Parking via Mother Nature

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1123. Patrap
Quoting DEKRE:


For example see Link


Thanx for the link for sure.
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1122. DEKRE
Quoting DEKRE:


You are quite right concerning the weight of the riser pipe, however, the pipe is provided with flotation devices which assure that the weight, once submerged, is very low indeed.


For example see Link
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1121. Patrap
The most notable Paragraph..

Meanwhile, the relief well has to go down -- carefully and safely. This Macondo well is history. Seal it. Mark it. Give it back to the sea. Move on. Don't tempt fate on this
one. And wow... for a relatively modest-sized deep-water discovery, this
thing sure has turned into the well from hell.
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Don't usually care much for Andrew Sullivan but this was an insightful blog entry:

These wounds, these temperatures, these destructive weather patterns are symptoms of a planet in distress. At some point, those of us who see our relationship to the natural world as something more than mere economics—as something sacred—need to face up to the fact that our civilization is not taking this sacredness seriously enough. When do we ask ourselves: by what right do humans believe we can despoil the earth for every other species with impunity? By what self-love have we granted ourselves not just dominion over the earth but wanton exploitation of its every treasure? Is there no point at which we can say: this is enough?
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1119. Patrap
www.drillingahead.com/forum

The different color stripes on the risers indicate differing amounts of buoyancy. The idea is to put heavy riser pipe down at the bottom, connected to more buoyant risers above. The buoyancy
keeps the entire riser system in more or less neutral buoyancy, so that the drill ship doesn't have to somehow hoist up the huge weight of all that pipe.

As you can see, there's a large-diameter pipe in the middle of each riser. That pipe is then encased in a buoyant foam substance. The risers are bolted together at the flange sections. The bolts are about as big as the arm of a very strong man. The nuts, which tighten things down, are the size of paint cans.

After the risers are assembled and hanging down from the drilling vessel, the drilling personnel lower and raise drilling pipe through the large-diameter center riser pipe. All the drilling mud stays inside the drill pipe on the way down hole, and inside the riser pipe on the return.

On the side of the riser sections, you can see smaller-diameter pipes. These are choke & kill, booster and hydraulic pipe components. The pipes run parallel to the large-diameter inner pipe. These pipe systems run down to the blowout preventer on the seafloor.

The idea is to keep the drilling process an enclosed system. All the "drilling stuff" -- the drill-pipe, drilling-mud and drill-cutting returns -- stays inside the large-diameter pipe. The smaller pipes
hold fluid to transmit hydraulic power and help control drilling. In particular, the pipes on the side aid in communicating with and controlling the blowout preventer.

Technical Specs

Ideally, when the risers are working as intended, nothing leaks out into the sea. Then again, you're not supposed to twist and bend the riser sections like a pretzel. So how strong is a riser
system? Extremely strong, actually.

According to technical literature from GE Oil & Gas, the riser equipment is "designed for use in
high-pressure, critical service and deep-water drilling and production applications." The pressure-containing components are rated for working pressures of 15,000 psi. That's the same as the Cameron blowout preventer on the Deepwater Horizon. The materials used in risers have
exceptional tensile and bending load characteristics.

According to Vetco paperwork that I've seen, the Class H riser sections have a 3.5 million pound
load-carrying capacity. That's the equivalent weight of about four fully fueled
Boeing 747s. These risers are super strong.

Still, it's not just any one single piece of riser section that does it all. These sections all get bolted
together, for 5,000 feet in this case. The riser sections all have to work together as a system. The whole string is only as strong as the weakest spot. And yes, even the strongest steel will break if you apply enough stress.

It all has to work together. You've got the riser sections, along with things called HMF flanged riser connectors. Then there are HMF riser joints; flex joints; telescopic joints; and, near the top, things called "fluid-bearing, nonintegral tensioner rings." Together, these all comprise the marine riser system.

In general, the riser components compensate for heave, surge, sway, offset and torque of the drilling vessel as the ship bounces around on the sea surface. The bottom line is to maintain a tight seal -- what's called "integrity" -- between the subsea blowout preventer stack and the surface
during drilling operations.

Down at the bottom, at the seafloor, the risers are connected to the blowout preventer by a connector device. The GE-Vetco spec is for a device that accommodates 7 million foot-pounds of bending
load capacity. That's about eight fully fueled Boeing 747s.

What's the idea? You want a secure connection between the high-pressure wellhead system and
the subsea blowout preventer stack. That's where mankind's best steel meets Mother Nature's high pressures.

High pressures? You had better believe it. And in this case, Mother Nature won. So looking forward, there's going to be a lot of forensic engineering on the well design and how things got monitored
during drilling. Transocean drilled the well, but BP designed it. So the key question is how did the down-hole pressures get away like they did?

What Happens
Now?

It's a good thing that the Deepwater Horizon didn't settle right on top of the well. At least there's room for the remotely operated vehicles to maneuver. Also, there's still a lot of riser still floating in the water column. So there's some element of integrity going down to the blowout preventer.

It's absolutely imperative to shut off that oil flow. We just have to hope and pray that the BP and Transocean people can get the blowout preventer shut off. Or that there's enough integrity to the risers somehow to get in there and control the leaks, perhaps with some sort of plug. One other idea is to lower a large "hood" over the leak and capture the oil so it can be pumped up to a storage tanker ship.

Meanwhile, the relief well has to go down -- carefully and safely. This Macondo well is history. Seal it. Mark it. Give it back to the sea. Move on. Don't tempt fate on this
one. And wow... for a relatively modest-sized deep-water discovery, this
thing sure has turned into the well from hell.

Welcome to the World of Deep-water Risk

As I've said before, this accident is Mother Nature's wake-up call to everyone. Deep-water drilling is a high-stakes game. It's not exactly a "casino," in that there's a heck of a lot of settled science,
engineering and technology involved. But we're sure finding out the hard way what all the risks are. And it's becoming more and more clear how the totality of risk is a moving target. There's geologic risk, technical risk, engineering risk, environmental risk, capital risk and market risk.


With each deep well, these risks all come together over one very tiny spot at the bottom of the ocean. So for all the oil that's out there under deep water -- and it's a lot -- the long-term calculus of risk and return is difficult to quantify.

There's more to discuss, but I'll end here today. I'll update you as things evolve. This is big news all through the offshore industry. There are HUGE environmental issues, and certainly big political repercussions. I won't go there just now. For now, I'll just send out collective best wishes to the people at Transocean, BP, the Coast Guard, Minerals Management and so many more. I'm sure they're doing their best.

Thanks for reading...

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good morning
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1117. Patrap
Quoting DEKRE:


You are quite right concerning the weight of the riser pipe, however, the pipe is provided with flotation devices which assure that the weight, once submerged, is very low indeed.


Thus the need for the Cementing around the Hole at depth..to stabilize the well.

No one more cockier than the Haliburton Mud Boss on a Rig,save for the Toolpushers and Company MAN.

That is where the trouble most Likely started,..if the Well Shifted and the riser stack tilted on the BOP and well,..

..well,we know where the pressure went,..up to the Drill floor and that Big Bada Boom..



Always catastrophic..

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For those who may not want to read the whole article I posted the link to above, although the article is excellent, the following quote was notable:

LSU's Ed Overton:

"Hurricane season is fast approaching in June and experts are sure the oil will still be flowing by then. Though it might seem counterintuitive, a big storm could help by dispersing and diluting the worst of the oil", Overton said.

"A hurricane is Mother Nature's vacuum cleaner," Overton said. "Normally it cleans things up. But that's not a solution with a continuing spill."
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1115. Patrap

Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Response

Gulf of Mexico-Transocean Drilling Incident



DATE: May 05, 2010 19:25:58 CST
The Ongoing Administration-Wide Response to the Deepwater BP Oil Spill

* Report oiled shoreline or request volunteer information:
(866)-448-5816
* Submit alternative response technology, services or products:
(281) 366-5511
* Submit your vessel as a vessel of opportunity skimming system:
(281) 366-5511
* Submit a claim for damages:
(800) 440-0858
* Report oiled wildlife:
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Deepwater Horizon Incident
Joint Information Center

Phone: (985) 902-5231
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PAST 24 HOURS

Secretary Salazar Gulf Coast Visit

Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar surveyed ongoing response efforts to combat the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, inspecting the four-story cofferdam that will attempt to capture the largest leak from the damaged wellhead; making an aerial survey of containment and cleanup efforts underway on Gulf waters; and visiting national wildlife refuges on the Louisiana and Alabama coast to assess on-the-ground efforts to protect sensitive areas.



Successful Controlled Burn

Favorable weather conditions allowed responders to conduct a successful controlled burn operation. As part of a coordinated response that combines tactics deployed above water, below water, offshore, and close to coastal areas, controlled burns efficiently remove oil from the open water in an effort to protect shoreline and wildlife.



NASA Satellite Assets

At NOAA’s request, NASA has agreed to use their ER-2 aircraft, equipped with a highly specialized scanner (the Airborne Visible/Infrared Imaging Spectrometer (AVIRIS) system) to provide NOAA high resolution images of the threatened Gulf shoreline. This will assist valuable NOAA’s damage assessment activities by forecasting spill trajectories and conducting mass balance calculations. Additionally, NASA has employed satellite instruments both to detect the extent of the entire oil spill, and to see the details of the extent of selected areas of the spill.



Additional Staging Location

A 10th staging location was established in Panama City, Fla., joining nine others in Biloxi, Miss., Pensacola, Fla., Pascagoula, Miss., Dauphin Island, Ala., Port Sulphur, La., Shell Beach, La., Slidell, La., Port Fourchon, La., and Venice, La.



Aerial Dispersant Spray Missions

Modular Aerial Spray System (MASS) aircraft flew four missions—dispensing the same dispersant chemical being used by BP and the federal responders. These systems are capable of covering up to 250 acres per flight.



Seafood Inspection

NOAA Fisheries continues to collect seafood samples and transfer those to the National Seafood Inspection Lab.



NOAA Ocean and Marsh Imaging Flights

Two NOAA turbo-prop aircraft are positioned in Mobile, Ala. One will fly marine mammal survey missions—the second aircraft will conduct ocean imaging missions, providing valuable information about the oil thickness and density on the sea surface. A third NOAA aircraft is positioned in New Orleans and staged to conduct aerial photographic flights of marsh areas.



Ocean Exploration Mission

A NOAA Office of Ocean Exploration and Research-sponsored mission is en route to collect seafloor and water column data from areas near the oil spill source.



National Park Service Response Website

The National Park Service created an oil spill response website, available at http://www.nps.gov/aboutus/oil-spill-response.htm, to update the public about potential park closures, resources at risk, and NPS actions to protect vital park space and wildlife.



By the Numbers to Date:

* Personnel were quickly deployed and approximately 7,900 are currently responding to protect the shoreline and wildlife.

* Nearly 200 vessels are responding on site, including skimmers, tugs, barges, and recovery vessels to assist in containment and cleanup efforts—in addition to dozens of aircraft, remotely operated vehicles, and multiple mobile offshore drilling units.

* Approximately 564,000 of feet of boom (regular and sorbent) have been deployed to contain the spill—and 1.6 million feet are available.

* More than 1.2 million gallons of an oil-water mix have been recovered.

* More than 190,000 gallons of dispersant have been deployed. More than 55,000 gallons are available.

* Nine staging areas have been set up to protect vital shoreline in all potentially affected Gulf Coast states (Biloxi, Miss., Pensacola, Fla., Pascagoula, Miss., Dauphin Island, Ala., Port Sulphur, La., Shell Beach, La., Slidell, La., Port Fourchon, La., Venice, La.).



Resources:

* For information about the response effort, visit www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com.

* To contact the Deepwater Horizon Joint Information Center, call (985) 902-5231.

* To volunteer, or to report oiled shoreline, call (866) 448-5816. Volunteer opportunities can also be found here.

* To submit your vessel as a vessel of opportunity skimming system, or to submit alternative response technology, services, or products, call 281-366-5511.

* To report oiled wildlife, call (866) 557-1401. Messages will be checked hourly.

* For information about validated environmental air and water sampling results, visit www.epa.gov/bpspill.

* For National Park Service updates about potential park closures, resources at risk, and NPS actions to protect vital park space and wildlife, visit http://www.nps.gov/aboutus/oil-spill-response.htm.

* To file a claim, or report spill-related damage, call BP’s helpline at (800) 440-0858. A BP fact sheet with additional information is available here. For those who have already pursued the BP claims process and are not satisfied with BP’s resolution, can call the Coast Guard at (800) 280-7118. More information about what types of damages are eligible for compensation under the Oil Pollution Act as well as guidance on procedures to seek that compensation can be found here
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1114. DEKRE
Quoting Patrap:
Well sport..hard for 4 million Lbs of Riser pipe to stand vertical in the currents.

LOL

Its a 22 in OD inch and Half pipe..that when it was drilling and servicing the wellhead,weighs more that 3 Loaded 747s.

So if its standing..well.which it aint,..you can quote that and show us.

We will be here.






You are quite right concerning the weight of the riser pipe, however, the pipe is provided with flotation devices which assure that the weight, once submerged, is very low indeed.
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CARIBLOOP



How are the winds and waves in the area of the GOM spill?
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Hey KeeperOfTheGate at #1009: Where does one locate that imagery loop?? I checked the properties and didn't get very far... that is the kind of composite satellite loop I am most interested in!! Please do grant me gate access :D
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1111. Patrap
I post the Site info..I have no other.

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I thought the reports of a 1500foot vertical was rather odd myself. BUT I say again, Patrap, go back and read your own repostings of articles on this topic.
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1109. hydrus
Quoting NEwxguy:
Its a sad part of our society,that when disaster strikes,the bottom feeders will move in.Gouging after a disaster is almost a ritual.
We had that water emergency up here in eastern Massachusetts and people were scrambling for bottle water and some stores sky rocketed the price of the bottled water they were selling.No matter what the emergency some will try to take advantage.
I hope the ones who take advantage of disaster victims get whats coming to them. To watch certain parties get rich off of other peoples misfortunes makes me really angry. I want to post how angry, but I would be banned.
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It's fun to watch my grandkids trying to catch the water hose when I turn it on in the pool and it snakes around. Imagine that scenario at 5000 feet with a pipe spewing oil under high pressure. May be like trying to lasso a jackrabbit. Hope they can do it though.
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1106. Patrap
Trolls and moles,..LOL
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Presslord I don't you could possibly supply the 50 dollar a plate food that Haliburton will probably get.Oh I forgot this is not the US government, they probably have a blue plate special for Bp. Any case I doubt you've got a shot,wrong side of the tracks after that profiteering crack.
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Quoting AussieStorm:
Evening all, How is everyone in the own parts of this big blue world. This is what Mother Nature is giving me right now.


Hey aussiestorm our temprature in odessa florida is a hot and humid 81 degrees at 10:30 this morning.
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1103. Patrap
Well sport..hard for 4 million Lbs of Riser pipe to stand vertical in the currents.

LOL

Its a 22 in OD inch and Half pipe..that when it was drilling and servicing the wellhead,weighs more that 3 Loaded 747s.

So if its standing..well.which it aint,..you can quote that and show us.

We will be here.




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Dr. Ed Overton, an LSU professor and analytical chemist who has been analyzing the oil samples from the spill in the Gulf of Mexico, explains how chemical dispersants work as they'd be applied to spill clean-up.

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1089 Patrap "All the riser piping is on the sea floor.
There is NO vertical pipe,..period.
"

Your chosen illustration is less than useless in making that point. Every legitimate posting of that image has been prominently accompanied by "not drawn to scale".
Go back and read your own repostings on this site of articles on the location of the pipeline breaks. Of those that make mention distances, "1500feet above the seafloor" is given as the point of the first break.
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Evening all, How is everyone in the own parts of this big blue world. This is what Mother Nature is giving me right now.


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1099. Patrap
Quoting kingy:
but other reports say the pipe is on the sea floor, confusing


There is only one report...daily.

And that comes from the Unified Command Center in Robert,Louisiana.



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1098. Patrap
Once again,,the riser Pipe,,all of it is on the floor.
Save for the bent section off the BOP.

A valve was successful placed on the END of the riser pipe on the seabed.

Now the 2 Cofferdams will be place OVER the 2 remaining leaks..thus the openings for the pipe on the cofferdams.

All the riser piping is on the sea-floor as per the Tele-conference yesterday.


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Graphic that was shown in today's newspaper:




Picture of dome from response site:


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1096. NEwxguy
Its a sad part of our society,that when disaster strikes,the bottom feeders will move in.Gouging after a disaster is almost a ritual.
We had that water emergency up here in eastern Massachusetts and people were scrambling for bottle water and some stores sky rocketed the price of the bottled water they were selling.No matter what the emergency some will try to take advantage.
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1095. kingy
but other reports say the pipe is on the sea floor, confusing
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So many in Nashville and the surrounding areas are suffering from loss. Most of them did not have flood insurance. A video worth watching, it shows how we can help at the end by donating to the Redcross.

Link
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1093. kingy
The dome postioning over the rising pipe will be a delicate job. They say "The damaged riser is shifting and is 1,000 feet (previously located 1,500 feet) from the subsea floor. The offshore supply vessel is underway with 1 of the 2 pollution domes secured on deck and expects to be on scene 5 May 10; the earliest the cofferdam will be operational is 10 May 10" on Link

This sounds like the riser is on an angle, ie far from vertical. But a shift in height of 500 feet sounds like it is far from stable. Is it swaying in underwater currents, how stable is it ? They could get the dome over the pipe only to see it shift position.
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1042 pottery "Positioning a ship over a point on the sea bed is one thing. Placing the dome exactly over a small point on the sea floor is quite another. It is a long way down, and even if there are thrusters on the dome (are there?), it will be a real challenge..."

Final positioning will be done through the use of remote-controlled submarines.
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1091. Patrap



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1089. Patrap
All the riser piping is on the sea floor.

There is NO vertical pipe,..period.

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Quoting Jeff9641:


Hey buddy!! Good Morning!! Maybe you will get some rain today. It seems as all the rain was N & E of you all day. Ocala saw over 6" in some areas. I had .60" but it came with a good bit of lightning.



Severe storms went through PBC last night, good bit of rain & lightning. More expected tonight with higher coverage as well.
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1087. hydrus
Quoting Patrap:
Shaw Group..Halibut,..and others will make a ton of money off this disaster.

Shame?''I doubt that.

Scott group and Shaw made billions off of Katrina.


Shame?''I doubt,no I know they have none.

Shame and Dollars go down easily if ya like the tea.
The money takes precedence over morality. What a troubled world we live in.
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Check out www.oilspillthreat.com

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Quoting Patrap:
Shaw Group..Halibut,..and others will make a ton of money off this disaster.

Shame?''I doubt that.

Scott group and Shaw made billions off of Katrina.


Shame?''I doubt,no I know they have none.

Shame and Dollars go down easily if ya like the tea.


Preach on brother Pat! It's a sad sad situation.
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1084. Patrap



*
Containment box arrives at site of oil spill

A boat carrying a 100-ton concrete-and-steel contraption designed to siphon off the oil fouling the Gulf of Mexico has arrived at the spot in the sea where a blown-out well is spewing petroleum.
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Quoting presslord:
look....these people should absolutely be compensated....I'm just referring to rampant profiteering...


Yeah, I wonder who owns the chemical dispersant company? To put that puke in the water when you have no clue how it will affect the ecosystem is beyond irresponsible. It reeks of greed. There are a couple of other products out there that were suggested and proven to be great solutions for cleanup of the slick and cleanup of the animals but were met with a "don't call us we'll call you" response. Profiteering? Almost sounds like Haliburton is involved somehow. Oh yeah, they were involved. In fact, it has been said that shoddy cementing is what causes many of these types of blowouts. Haliburton just so happened to be doing the cementing operations at the time. Interesting times...
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1082. Patrap
Shaw Group..Halibut,..and others will make a ton of money off this disaster.

Shame?''I doubt that.

Scott group and Shaw made billions off of Katrina.


Shame?''I doubt,no I know they have none.

Shame and Dollars go down easily if ya like the tea.
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Exactly!
Quoting presslord:



If you mean they'd rather be fishing/shrimping, etc., than cleaning up crude...I strongly 'spect you're correct...
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...actually...I'm on the phone with BP right now...discussing our plans to feed clean up volunteers...if their rig operation is anything like their call center operation....it all makes a lot of sense...
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Not even a wiff of something



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1078. MahFL
"The shrimpers and fishers would rather be earning their livelihood, by fishing and shrimping. Even if it was way less money, than attending to an oil spill"

Again, some niavity......people are greedy, if they can earn double the money for 2 or 3 months they will take it. It remains to be seen of course if they can resume fishing at a later date.
Also I bet several boats will be re-possesed by the banks when the loans on them become "defunct".
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1077. aquak9
Quoting presslord:



If you mean they'd rather be fishing/shrimping, etc., than cleaning up crude...I strongly 'spect you're correct...


that's exactly what I meant.

Peace, ya'll.
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Ain't nuttin happenin in the Gulf or Atlantic for quite a while

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Quoting MissNadia:
Good Morning,
Does anyone know what kind of money BP is paying cleanup crews.
I have seen $2000/ day for a shrimp boat and $38 / hour for labor!
At those rates ,lots of people will get rich over the next couple of years.


I'm sure they'd sacrifice the mountains of money for the GOM to be back to the way it was before April 20th. Just sayin'...
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From the 8 a.m. NHC Discussion.
...ITCZ...

ITCZ AXIS IS CENTERED ALONG 7.5N12W 5N20W 4N30W 3.5N40W 4N51W. AN EMBEDDED SURFACE TROUGH IS ALONG 35W FROM 2N TO 8N. SCATTERED
SHOWERS ARE WITHIN 50 NM OF THE TROUGH AXIS. MODERATE TO STRONG CONVECTION IS WITHIN 180 NM OFF THE COAST WEST AFRICA FROM THE EQUATOR TO 14N BETWEEN THE PRIME MERIDIAN AND 2W...INCLUDING SIERRA LEONE...LIBERIA...AND COTE D'IVOIRE. SIMILAR CONVECTION IS WITHIN 60 NM ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ITCZ BETWEEN 20W AND 30W.



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Quoting aquak9:
mmm..maybe I got misunderstood-

The shrimpers and fishers would rather be earning their livelihood, by fishing and shrimping. Even if it was way less money, than attending to an oil spill.

Anyone who makes money offa this disaster, and is happy about it? Shame.



If you mean they'd rather be fishing/shrimping, etc., than cleaning up crude...I strongly 'spect you're correct...
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