Winter Storm Xynthia kills 62 in Europe

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:21 PM GMT on March 01, 2010

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Devastating Winter Storm Xynthia ripped a swath of destruction through Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, and Germany over the weekend, killing at least 62 people. It was Europe's 5th deadliest winter storm of the past 60 years. Hardest hit was France, where at least 51 died. The storm also caused six deaths in Germany, including a 2-year-old boy blown into a river and drowned. Three people were dead in Spain, and Belgium, Portugal, and England had one fatality each. At least ten people are still missing. Most of the deaths in France occurred when a powerful storm surge topped by battering waves up to 25 feet high, hitting at high tide, smashed though the sea wall off the coastal town of L'Aiguillon-sur-Mer. A mobile home park built close to the sea wall was particularly hard-hit. The sea wall was several hundred years old, built in the time of Napoleon, and locating a mobile home park so close to it showed poor coastal development practices, critics said. The storm cut power to more than 1 million homes in France, and up to 1 million customers in Portugal also lost power. A few wind peak wind gusts measured during the storm:

Portugal
Pampilhosa da Serra 147 km/h (91 mph)
Penhas Douradas 126.1 km/h (78 mph)
Porto (Airport LPPR) 113km/h (70 mph)

Spain
Lardeira: 196.1 km/h (122 mph)
Serra do Eixe: 157 km/h (98 mph)
Campus de Vigo: 146.9 km/h (92 mph)
Gandara: 145.8 km/h (91 mph)

France
Eiffel Tower, Paris: 175 km/h (106 mph)
Saint-Clement of the Whales: 159km/h (99 mph)
Charente-Maritime: 161km/h (100 mph)

A Personal Weather Station in Les Portes-en-Re recorded sustained winds of 143 km/h (89 mph) gusting to 180 km/h (112 mph) before losing power at the height of the storm. According to Meteo France, the maximum recorded gust from Xynthia for elevations lower than 1200m was 160 km/h along the coast and 120 km/h inland. In 1999, Winter Storm Lothar brought gusts of almost 200 km/h to coastal areas and up to 160 km/h in the interior at these lower elevations.


Figure 1. Six-hour animation of the surface winds as Winter Storm Xynthia crossed the Bay of Biscay and smashed into France.

Destructive European storms of the past 60 years:
2010: Winter Storm Xynthia of February 27, 2010 killed 51 people in France, Spain, and neighboring countries, and did $2 - $4 billion in damage. Lowest pressure: 967 mb.

Winter Storm Klaus hit northern Spain and southwest France January 23 - 25, 2009, and was Earth's most costly natural disaster of 2009, causing $5.1 billion in damage and killing 26. Minimum pressure: 967 mb.

Kyrill (January 18, 2007) killed at least 45, with Germany suffering the most fatalities (13). Minimum pressure: 964 mb.

Back-to-back winter storms Lothar and Martin December 26-28, 1999) killed 140 people, 88 of the victims in France. Minimum pressure: 961 mb (Lothar), 965 mb (Martin).

The Burns' Day Storm of 1990 killed 97, mostly in England. Minimum pressure: 949 mb.

The Great Storm of 1987 was Europe's "storm of the century". It killed 22 people in England and France. Minimum pressure: 953 mb.

The North Sea Flood of 1962 killed 318 people--315 of them in Hamburg, Germany.

The North Sea Flood of 1953 killed 2,000 people in the Netherlands and England.

Xynthia's warm air surge sets records
One reason Xynthia became so powerful is that it formed very far south, where it was able to tap into an airmass that was unusually warm and moist. Satellite measurements (Figure 2) showed a plume of high total precipitable water (the amount of precipitation one can produce by condensing all the water vapor from the surface to the top of the atmosphere), about 300% above average, flowing from southwest to northeast along Xynthia's cold front. Enhancing the amount of moisture was the presence of very warm sea surface temperatures 1°C above average along this plume. As this extra moisture flowed into the storm, the moisture condensed into rain, releasing the "latent heat" stored up in the water vapor (the extra energy that was originally used to evaporate the water into water vapor). This latent heat further intensified Xynthia. The storm's central pressure fell to 966 mb at the storm's peak intensity, reached at 18 GMT Saturday after it passed over Spain's northwest corner.

As warm, tropical air surged northeastwards in advance of Xynthia's cold front, it set several all-time high temperature records for the month of February. Melilla, Spain hit 34°C (93°F) at 3pm local time on the 27th, beating previous highest February temperature of 30.6°C, set in 1979. The temperature surged upwards a remarkable 9.1°C (16°F) in one hour as Xynthia's warm front passed through. Record February warmth was also observed in the Canary Islands as Xynthia's warm front passed though.


Figure 2. Satellite measurements show a region of high total precipitable water (the amount of precipitation one can produce by condensing all the water vapor from the surface to the top of the atmosphere) up to 300% above average, flowing from southwest to northeast along Xynthia's cold front. Enhancing the amount of moisture was the presence of very warm sea surface temperatures along this plume, about 1°C above average. If this pool of very warm water is still around in July, it could lead to an earlier than average start to the Atlantic hurricane season. Image credit: Sheldon Kusselson, NOAA/NESDIS, and National Hurricane Center.

Next storm
For the the U.S., the next winter storm of note is a moderately strong low pressure system currently over Texas that is expected to move quickly eastwards today and Tuesday. The storm should bring an inch or so of snow to Atlanta and northeast Alabama, and 2 - 4" to the nearby mountains of South and North Carolina, including Charlotte. After that, the models show a long break from winter storm activity for the Eastern U.S. Beginning Sunday, it looks like it will be the Midwest's turn, when a powerful winter storm will drop out of the Rockies, then move across the northern tier of Midwestern states early next week.

Next post
I'll have a new post Tuesday or Wednesday.

Jeff Masters

Xynthia - High seas in Carcavelos (Portugal) (rozzopt)
High seas an waves from storm Synthia, with storm-surge taking over the entire beach, and "attacking" bars usually 30meters away from the sea.
Xynthia - High seas in Carcavelos (Portugal)

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Quoting tornadodude:


my parents own a 97 chevy venture, now to convince them to hand it over to a son in need of a new vehicle ha


Oooooooo....tell them they need to buy a new Kia Sedona and get the '97 for yourself! Your dad has probably maintained the hell out of that car!

Wow...that's the ticket!

While your at it, ask them to spring for an extra $1k for the bedding, camera, helmet, campstove, underbed rubbermaid container...etc.
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Quoting Floodman:


Have a revolution, kill the old Constitution; as for the power grab of the 1920s, you're a little too far down the calendar...try the 1850s through the end of the 19th century. As for the Tea-Baggers, all they'll do (if they don't come into the Reublican fold) is split the conservative vote and give the Democrats the reprieve they need...anyone remember a ploitical party in this country called the "Know-Nothings"? They are alive and well.

It's easy to pull down what you don't understand in the name of change...the hard part is to have something really new to put in it's place.

I'm all for limitaions in the strength and size of the Federal government, but without a strong centralized government then we are 50 separate nations, all weak and ripe for picking off, one at a time


Save for Louisiana and them Crazy Cajuns and Pyrates Lafitte and Andrew Jackson Left here..LOL


The British Lost 2000,..we Lost only 24 in the Battle of NOLA

I do believe a few of the descendants are Who Dat Nation Members as well floodman.



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Quoting CycloneOz:


I don't care how long politicians are allowed to stay in office.

What I care about is the power grab that began in the 20s - 30s was refreshed in the late 60s, augmented in the 90s and is now blooming into fruition in the 2010s...


Nearly 90 years of power grab by the fed, leaving the states with far less power, and the individual with FAR LESS LIBERTY.

We need to elect a new slew of people into the legislature that will commit to undoing what has been done. Abolishing bureaucracies and the departments associated with them, repealing oppressive regulations, and totally revamping our tax code so that EVERYONE contributes so that EVERYONE has a stake in our government.

The old sow has dried up. It's time for a NEW Revolution, one that fires us straight back to adherence to the Constitution as the supreme law of the land and where law-abiding citizens are truly free.


Have a revolution, kill the old Constitution; as for the power grab of the 1920s, you're a little too far down the calendar...try the 1850s through the end of the 19th century. As for the Tea-Baggers, all they'll do (if they don't come into the Reublican fold) is split the conservative vote and give the Democrats the reprieve they need...anyone remember a ploitical party in this country called the "Know-Nothings"? They are alive and well.

It's easy to pull down what you don't understand in the name of change...the hard part is to have something really new to put in it's place.

I'm all for limitaions in the strength and size of the Federal government, but without a strong centralized government then we are 50 separate nations, all weak and ripe for picking off, one at a time
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Quoting CycloneOz:


They are a dime a dozen.


my parents own a 97 chevy venture, now to convince them to hand it over to a son in need of a new vehicle ha
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Quoting CycloneOz:


If you're getting a new camcorder, you need to get the GoPro HD Helmet Hero. $300 and you can download the files to your hard drive to clear the disk. Get the 32 gig SDHC disk! Buy an extra batt.

We have a server you can upload the files to. I'll edit the files for you to create your programs.

You don't have to worry about these cams. They're tiny and awesome. Set the camera to record at 720p 30 frames and you get 170 degrees of wide angle. Very important when shooting "big land!"

Promise me you'll get one, okay?


Sounds good, and yes, as soon as I get the money for it, I will invest in one, and I think Jeremiah will go in half and half on it with me
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Quoting tornadodude:


now to find a mini van...


They are a dime a dozen.
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I suggest the Mini-Van with the Concrete grapple device to keep the F-3 plus Nadoes from turning u into a Ping Pong ball .

Optional of course.

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Quoting tornadodude:


Well Im definitely not getting a new one, and I know the owners of the shop, so that should help some.

yeah a helmet and a new camcorder


If you're getting a new camcorder, you need to get the GoPro HD Helmet Hero. $300 and you can download the files to your hard drive to clear the disk. Get the 32 gig SDHC disk! Buy an extra batt.

We have a server you can upload the files to. I'll edit the files for you to create your programs.

You don't have to worry about these cams. They're tiny and awesome. Set the camera to record at 720p 30 frames and you get 170 degrees of wide angle. Very important when shooting "big land!"

Promise me you'll get one, okay?
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Quoting CycloneOz:
Storm Chasing Advice by CycloneOz

As tornado season approaches, the "new" extreme sport of severe weather chasing comes into a new season.

For those serious about taking a week or more to chase, here is today's storm chasing advice:

1) Buy a mini-van and gut it, making it a two seater.

2) Most mini-vans are 48 inches wide. Purchase a cheapish mattress frame, lay a 3/4 piece of high-grade plywood on it and then put a semi-truck 48 inch mattress on top. Mount the frame on 10 inch pipes with screw caps to protect the carpet.

Now, you have a place to live, a mini-RV on wheels. You have plenty of storage underneath the bed for camp-stove and supplies. Make coffee anywhere! Buy some MREs when you don't have alot of time, and boil them in water till hot.

This is the type of rig I own and have used for years now. It's fantastic and inexpensive.

Hotel costs = 0$ I sleep in rest areas.
Food costs = Normal grocery store expenses.
Gas costs = Normal highway mileage for a passenger car.


now to find a mini van...
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Storm Chasing Advice by CycloneOz

As tornado season approaches, the "new" extreme sport of severe weather chasing comes into a new season.

For those serious about taking a week or more to chase, here is today's storm chasing advice:

1) Buy a mini-van and gut it, making it a two seater.

2) Most mini-vans are 48 inches wide. Purchase a cheapish mattress frame, lay a 3/4 piece of high-grade plywood on it and then put a semi-truck 48 inch mattress on top. Mount the frame on 10 inch pipes with screw caps to protect the carpet.

Now, you have a place to live, a mini-RV on wheels. You have plenty of storage underneath the bed for camp-stove and supplies. Make coffee anywhere! Buy some MREs when you don't have alot of time, and boil them in water till hot.

This is the type of rig I own and have used for years now. It's fantastic and inexpensive.

Hotel costs = 0$ I sleep in rest areas.
Food costs = Normal grocery store expenses.
Gas costs = Normal highway mileage for a passenger car.
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Quoting atmoaggie:

A tranny with 200k+ miles on a front wheel drive car? (thus, known as a transaxle, honestly).

I recommend sitting before you look at that.
Quoting Patrap:
Maybe invest in a Good Tornado Helmet too.


Well Im definitely not getting a new one, and I know the owners of the shop, so that should help some.

yeah a helmet and a new camcorder
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Maybe invest in a Good Tornado Helmet too.
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Quoting tornadodude:


I think so, my car should get fixed this week. I will be getting an estimate today about my transmission

A tranny with 200k+ miles on a front wheel drive car? (thus, known as a transaxle, honestly).

I recommend sitting before you look at that.
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How To Read The Public Advisory
The format of the Tropical Cyclone Public Advisory is changing for 2010.



An official NWS Service Change Notice was issued in late January.
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Quoting Chicklit:
Regarding wind in East Central Florida, just went outside. It's scarey already.
The Jeep is probably better than the bike today! Though it is exhilarating.

Hehe. I didn't say it wasn't going to windy, just that it will be a headwind/tailwind for a trip to the SW and back to the NE...better than a crosswind.

(Not trying to talk you into anything. Please do what you are comfortable with.)
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Quoting CycloneOz:


Hey dude. Will repairs or other accommodations be made in time for your field trips this spring?


I think so, my car should get fixed this week. I will be getting an estimate today about my transmission
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Changes to NHC Products for 2010



Effective May 15, 2010 the National Hurricane Center will increase tropical storm and hurricane watch/warning lead times, and make changes to some of its text and graphical products. These changes are part of a continuing effort at the National Hurricane Center to expand and enhance its level of service.

Read the Summary of Changes in PDF format (updated 19 February 2010)
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Tourism leaders: Having hotel might have helped convention center lure hurricane conference


By Jennifer Sorentrue

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Updated: 11:58 p.m. Thursday, Feb. 25, 2010

Posted: 12:02 p.m. Thursday, Feb. 25, 2010

The 3,000 people who participate in the annual Governor's Hurricane Conference won't be coming to Palm Beach County's convention center in downtown West Palm Beach, organizers said this week.

But county tourism leaders say the under-used convention center may have been able to snag the massive conference if there were a hotel next door.

County leaders have spent years trying to build a 400-room hotel next to the convention center. Without the hotel, the center will never be able to compete with other tourist hot spots, business leaders say.

The non-profit group that organizes the hurricane conference told officials with the county's Convention and Visitors Bureau Monday that the convention center is no longer in the running to host the event in 2012 — a deal that could have spanned many years. The convention center, they said, did not meet their requirements.

"After careful review of your proposal details, although we were impressed with the facilities included, it appears that the meeting requirements of the Governor's Hurricane Conference cannot be adequately met in one facility in Palm Beach, which is our preference," Lynn Daines, Executive Vice President of the event, wrote Monday in a letter to the county's Convention and Visitors Bureau.

The visitors bureau was one of several groups across the state trying to win the massive convention. Sites in Fort Lauderdale, Orlando and Daytona are still in the running.

Palm Beach County's proposal did not include space for the conference's smaller group sessions, Danies said.

"It is a matter of having space for all of our breakout sessions," she said Thursday.

Deputy County Administrator Verdenia Baker said the convention center has 19 smaller meeting rooms, in addition to its ballrooms and exhibition hall.

The county may have stood a better chance of winning the hurricane conference if there was a hotel next to the convention center, Baker said. "The ideal situation for any conference would be under one roof."

In 2008 county commissioners voted to scrap a deal with developer Ocean Properties to build a 400-room hotel and 104 condo units next to the convention center and instead look for a new builder.

The decision came after federal prosecutors cited ex-County Commissioner Mary McCarty's cozy relationship with Ocean executives as one of numerous grounds for filing a corruption case against her. McCarty admitted last year to taking free resort stays from the company and was sentenced to 3 1/2 years in federal prison.

In recent months, four development teams had been vying for a chance to build the hotel. A county selection committee this month recommended The Related Cos. to build the facility, and county commission is in the process of reviewing that assessment, which requires their approval.

jennifer_sorentrue@pbpost.com
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Quoting tornadodude:


so youre good in June, July, and August Lol


Hey dude. Will repairs or other accommodations be made in time for your field trips this spring?
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Cost versus value.
Risk versus reward.

Perilous times will spur people into enlightened debate and rhetoric.

Our planet's gaseous atmosphere of oxygen enriched nitrogen makes it possible for us to not only exist, but to speak.

A weather blog is as good a place as any.
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HURRICANE IKE


12:00 AM CST on Tuesday, March 2, 2010

The Associated Press

GALVESTON Galveston will rebuild its main wastewater treatment plant and repair other infrastructure damaged by Hurricane Ike with help from $107 million in federal disaster money.

The figure is the most the city has spent at one time to repair its infrastructure, spokeswoman Alicia Cahill said.

The wastewater treatment plant in Galveston, slammed by the September 2008 storm, was swamped during Ike, frying the unit's electrical system, the Galveston County Daily News reported.

City Council members on Thursday accepted the federal money earmarked to replace hurricane-damaged infrastructure and hired Beck Disaster Recovery to administer the grant funds.

The wastewater plant will be elevated by 13 feet to avoid future storm surges. The city also will make sure the plant, not improved since 1972, is brought up to state code, at a cost of up to $70 million, according to Eric Wilson, director of municipal utilities.

Galveston is using disaster recovery money instead of Federal Emergency Management Agency funds because FEMA would pay to repair the plant to its previous condition, not improve it, officials said.

Funding also will be used to elevate a fire station, preserve historic building fronts and install a 20-inch waterline connecting Galveston to Pelican Island. The water line also will support the University of Texas Medical Branch.

The grant also will go toward building a vocational technical center for Galveston College and building two storage tanks to stockpile water for use during shortages.

The Associated Press
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Regarding wind in East Central Florida, just went outside. It's scarey already.
The Jeep is probably better than the bike today! Though it is exhilarating.
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Quoting hcubed:


And in months containing an "R"...


so youre good in June, July, and August Lol
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Jeesus,,let the dog get beaten somewhere else with the Politics..or the Buttons are gonna get a workout for a few.
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Quoting atmoaggie:

I think you give our "leaders" a little too much credit, Gro. Their collective credibility and history do not support such trustworthiness, IMO.

Far too much pork barrel, hypocrisy (even in media statements and press conference they host), plus undeniable motivations to so much less than the right thing by the people being represented when the few that donate big money to campaign contributions desire some policy counter to the will of the voting district.

And, again, I am with Seastep. How effective would it be for 1/3 of senators to know well that they cannot be elected to the senate in the next election and they need not bother keeping some big donor happy? At the same time they need not keep constituents happy, either, unless they want to run for something else in the future.

Now, how people generally treat one another, yeah, I think you know we can agree on that. Some say, correctly I might add, that people usually treat strangers better than their own family. If some of our less than friendly posters in here consider us all strangers, I fear for their family relationships...


It's 'pork barrel' unless it is keeping businesses alive and people employed in your area.

Term limits is one of the most counter-productive concepts that has ever been advanced. Unsatisfactory or unsavory elected officials can be voted out of office. Good ones (and there are many) can be returned to office. It takes years to develop the skills and knowledge to become an effective elected official and to advance to positions of leadership. If their terms are limited, working hard for constituents will provide no advantages because they will not be able to remain in office long enough to become effective. So as soon as they get elected they will have to start planning for their next job. Our government will be left to be run by the only people who maintain continuity and knowledge of the system - lobbyists and hired staff.

If all we do is attack and denigrate our elected officials, no matter how hard they are working to provide workable programs, how can we expect competent, honorable people to even want to run for office. Why work for a future which guarantees no hope for success?
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Quoting Levi32:
Good morning all.

Lol ok GW is one thing but politics can get you banned in here...I'd be careful and try to stay on a weather topic.

Amen to that. On here, I generally follow the idea that if it is too controversial to talk about at work (politics, religion), it is too controversial to talk about on Dr. M's blog.
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How bout the Political jargon find the Door on the Left..,or right.

Here, were in the middle,as Weather remains the topic du jour .

Plenty of RAM available for anyone to do a Blog on the Subject matter.
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Good morning all.

Lol ok GW is one thing but politics can get you banned in here...I'd be careful and try to stay on a weather topic.
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Quoting CycloneOz:


I don't care how long politicians are allowed to stay in office.

What I care about is the power grab that began in the 20s - 30s was refreshed in the late 60s, augmented in the 90s and is now blooming into fruition in the 2010s...


Nearly 90 years of power grab by the fed, leaving the states with far less power, and the individual with FAR LESS LIBERTY.

We need to elect a new slew of people into the legislature that will commit to undoing what has been done. Abolishing bureaucracies and the departments associated with them, repealing oppressive regulations, and totally revamping our tax code so that EVERYONE contributes so that EVERYONE has a stake in our government.

The old sow has dried up. It's time for a NEW Revolution, one that fires us straight back to adherence to the Constitution as the supreme law of the land and where law-abiding citizens are truly free.


FireCongress.Org
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Mark your calendar for the 2010 conference
March 29-April 2 * Hilton Orlando, Orlando, Florida



Purpose of the Conference

The primary goal of the National Hurricane Conference is to improve hurricane preparedness, response, recovery and mitigation in order to save lives and property in the United States and the tropical islands of the Caribbean and Pacific. In addition, the conference serves as a national forum for federal, state and local officials to exchange ideas and recommend new policies to improve Emergency Management.

To accomplish these goals, the annual conference emphasizes:



* Lessons Learned from Hurricane Strikes.

* State of the art programs worthy of emulation.

* New ideas being tested or considered.

* Information about new or ongoing assistance programs.

* The ABC's of hurricane preparedness, response, recovery and mitigation -- in recognition of the fact that there is a continual turnover of emergency management leadership and staff.
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Quoting atmoaggie:

How effective would it be for 1/3 of senators to know well that they cannot be elected to the senate in the next election and they need not bother keeping some big donor happy?


I don't care how long politicians are allowed to stay in office.

What I care about is the power grab that began in the 20s - 30s was refreshed in the late 60s, augmented in the 90s and is now blooming into fruition in the 2010s...


Nearly 90 years of power grab by the fed, leaving the states with far less power, and the individual with FAR LESS LIBERTY.

We need to elect a new slew of people into the legislature that will commit to undoing what has been done. Abolishing bureaucracies and the departments associated with them, repealing oppressive regulations, and totally revamping our tax code so that EVERYONE contributes so that EVERYONE has a stake in our government.

The old sow has dried up. It's time for a NEW Revolution, one that fires us straight back to adherence to the Constitution as the supreme law of the land and where law-abiding citizens are truly free.
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Quoting atmoaggie:

My elec company just opened a power plant that runs on scraps from the paper mills. Our bill went down 10%...

Oi... Wish we had that here.

My fiancee and I just bought a house, and when we were doing the walkthrough, the builder offered us a "guaranteed rate" of 16.8 cents per KW. (we already have a contract for 11 cents per)

In TX, it is worth getting energy efficient stuff, even without tax credits.
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Quoting Chicklit:
Thanks, Atmo.
Spruce Creek Fly-In, Daytona Beach, Florida (PWS) Updated: 0 sec ago
66.1 °F Mostly Cloudy
Humidity: 86% Dew Point: 62 °F
Wind: 5.0 mphfrom the SE
Wind Gust: 7.0 mph
Pressure: 29.58 in (Falling)
Visibility: 10.0 miles
UV: 3 out of 16
We are under a wind advisory, but Lake Wind is canceled. If I leave by 11 and back by 2 think I will just make it.

Yeah, if you are coming back that early, I would say your crosswinds while traveling SW or NE shouldn't be too terrible. Have fun.

L8r, all.
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Thanks, Atmo.
Spruce Creek Fly-In, Daytona Beach, Florida (PWS) Updated: 0 sec ago
66.1 °F Mostly Cloudy
Humidity: 86% Dew Point: 62 °F
Wind: 5.0 mphfrom the SE
Wind Gust: 7.0 mph
Pressure: 29.58 in (Falling)
Visibility: 10.0 miles
UV: 3 out of 16
We are under a wind advisory, but Lake Wind is canceled. If I leave by 11 and back by 2 think I will just make it.
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Quoting Chicklit:
Good Morning. Can someone tell me if it will be dangerous to ride my motorcycle from Daytona to Orlando within the next three hours? (Actually, going from New Smyrna to Sanford.)
Here's a vorticity map.

Chicklet, the backside of the system had up 57 mph gusts from the north last night in NOLA. You guys are keeping the southwest winds for the day, but you will have *some* decent gusts for the rest of the day and they will be of the cross wind variety for you (and your travels). Not expecting winds as strong as NOLA, but will probably be in the 20 mph with 35 mph gusts range.

May not be in place by the time you leave, but surely will if you are going to be there a while and try coming back.

If you are comfortable with it, fine, but be careful.

EDIT: Reminding myself of geography...you will only have a headwind for your trip there. Going back, it will have switch to roughly from the WNW and will be a crosswind.

Over here in LA, we were going slower on a east-west highway last night with the cross winds pushing us about and the major bridges had full restrictions in place disallowing motorcycles, RVs, truck carrying glass, etc.
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Quoting jeffs713:


If I didn't know you lived in FL, I would say that you must live in TX...

Down here, electric rates can only go up on days that end in "y".


And in months containing an "R"...
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Quoting WaterWitch11:
good morning,

it sure is raining like crazy here, radar doesn't seem to match with how much rain is coming down. that's seems to be the difference this year. what looks small on radar has a ton of rain in it.

healdsburg, ca
Today: Rain, with thunderstorms also possible after 10am. High near 54. Southeast wind around 16 mph, with gusts as high as 21 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%.

Tonight: Rain. Low around 44. South southeast wind between 5 and 9 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%.

Wednesday: Showers and possibly a thunderstorm. High near 49. Calm wind becoming south southwest between 6 and 9 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%.

how is it going with sending stormw to conference?


Tampa, is this still the current tally? Thanks.

488. TampaSpin 2:58 PM GMT on March 02, 2010
StormW FundRaiser for Hurricane Conference

We have $170 donated so far. We need $500 to make sure he get to the 2010 Hurricane Conference



Oh, and good morning Atmo...thanks for your message.
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I know Grothar, but doesn't change the facts.

Forget the political conclusions, just look at the empirical ones. That was all I was pointing to.

71% of college students failed the test to become a US citizen. Scary to me, and again, goes directly to your point about "maybe it's the people."
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Good Morning. Can someone tell me if it will be dangerous to ride my motorcycle from Daytona to Orlando within the next three hours? (Actually, going from New Smyrna to Sanford.)
Here's a vorticity map.

Wind Map:

It's Bike Week here and while I'm not much of a pack rat, I often use my bike for work. So far have 56,000 miles on it. Still, if wind is going to gust dangerously I'll take the car.
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


LOL, that's our college kid -- "Question Authority" -- it's his job (entry level). I think Grothar and I took the advanced classes...once upon a time...long ago, and occasionally far away!

This one is okay, but be careful, AIM. The politically correct police are itching to come get you like it is 1984...
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Quoting tornadodude:
not disagreeing with you Grothar, but wasnt it the questioning of our government that brought about this great country?


LOL, that's our college kid -- "Question Authority" -- it's his job (entry level). I think Grothar and I took the advanced classes...once upon a time...long ago, and occasionally far away!
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Quoting jeffs713:


If I didn't know you lived in FL, I would say that you must live in TX...

Down here, electric rates can only go up on days that end in "y".

My elec company just opened a power plant that runs on scraps from the paper mills (well, a year ago, anyway). Our bill went down 10%...
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Quoting Seastep:
Grothar - The current federal govt is not what was intended. The Constitution is a great document, if executed as intended.

That all changed in the late 1920's and 1930's. Before that, it was as intended. But, there was a crisis that didn't go to waste. ;)

Here's a scary study relating to "maybe it's the people."

Civics knowledge


The only thing scary about that article is who the study was done by, ISI, come on now!!
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Quoting Grothar:


Actually, my point exactly. Perhaps it is not the government which is broken, but its citizens. It may not be easy or even comfortable to admit, but perhaps the fault lies within ourselves.

We doubt the veracity of our leaders, scientists, economists. We denigrate public servants without regard to any truths in the accusations; we repeat untruths through E-mails, blog, etc. We insult each other on the blog. Every issue has now become a conspiracy by unknown groups to take over the world with a single government. At every corner, there is a conspiracy to take our tax dollars, to take away our rights, to deny our practice of religion.

Believe me, if a group was planning to do all these things, they are not going to hold conferences and tell you how they plan on doing it. Changing leaders will not solve our problems. We shall be changing one set of problems for another. The change must come from within. Trust, honor, and respect. The simple little words we should all practice.

I think you give our "leaders" a little too much credit, Gro. Their collective credibility and history do not support such trustworthiness, IMO.

Far too much pork barrel, hypocrisy (even in media statements and press conference they host), plus undeniable motivations to so much less than the right thing by the people being represented when the few that donate big money to campaign contributions desire some policy counter to the will of the voting district.

And, again, I am with Seastep. How effective would it be for 1/3 of senators to know well that they cannot be elected to the senate in the next election and they need not bother keeping some big donor happy? At the same time they need not keep constituents happy, either, unless they want to run for something else in the future.

Now, how people generally treat one another, yeah, I think you know we can agree on that. Some say, correctly I might add, that people usually treat strangers better than their own family. If some of our less than friendly posters in here consider us all strangers, I fear for their family relationships...
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Quoting tornadodude:


Lol

its just as off topic as the GW discussions, no mention of it in his post

at least the GW conversation relates to atmospheric science. all hot wind puns aside, government conversations do not!
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Quoting IKE:


From that article...

"USPS posted a $3.8 billion loss in its 2009 fiscal year, the latest in a multiyear string of whopping losses. Mail volume was down 12.7% for the year, a trend the agency expects to continue over the next decade as more consumers opt for online bill payments and message delivery.

The Post Office was $10 billion in debt as of Sept. 30 -- not far off from its $15 billion debt limit, which the agency expects to hit in its 2011 fiscal year."

Also....A significant postal price hike is also under consideration, although the price most consumers care about -- the rate for a first-class stamp -- is locked in at 44 cents for 2010.

Let's see....my cable bill just went up....my exterminator service just went up...electric bill had a 3-step increase recently...NEXT!


usps--- the need to DIE. they only deliver my snail mail when they feel like it. when i went to the postmistress and asked why i dont get any mail all week and then in one day the box is running over, she said ohhhh your carrier is gonna retire in 6 months and i cant wait, he's terrible, so lazy". then we caught a kid opening our mail and putting it back in the box. i complained. she said i could file an official complaint if i wanted to but nothing would be done about it. she gossips to everybody about everybody elses mail. sometimes the box outside is full to overflowing. they have gone up and up and up on rates regularly and just a bunch of lazy ass deadwood loitering around in there. i have stood at the counter ten minutes while a guy hummed and sauntered around, fully aware i was there. they had a wakeup call and ignored it when ups and fed ex came along. they need to go.
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