Winter Storm Xynthia kills 62 in Europe

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:21 PM GMT on March 01, 2010

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Devastating Winter Storm Xynthia ripped a swath of destruction through Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, and Germany over the weekend, killing at least 62 people. It was Europe's 5th deadliest winter storm of the past 60 years. Hardest hit was France, where at least 51 died. The storm also caused six deaths in Germany, including a 2-year-old boy blown into a river and drowned. Three people were dead in Spain, and Belgium, Portugal, and England had one fatality each. At least ten people are still missing. Most of the deaths in France occurred when a powerful storm surge topped by battering waves up to 25 feet high, hitting at high tide, smashed though the sea wall off the coastal town of L'Aiguillon-sur-Mer. A mobile home park built close to the sea wall was particularly hard-hit. The sea wall was several hundred years old, built in the time of Napoleon, and locating a mobile home park so close to it showed poor coastal development practices, critics said. The storm cut power to more than 1 million homes in France, and up to 1 million customers in Portugal also lost power. A few wind peak wind gusts measured during the storm:

Portugal
Pampilhosa da Serra 147 km/h (91 mph)
Penhas Douradas 126.1 km/h (78 mph)
Porto (Airport LPPR) 113km/h (70 mph)

Spain
Lardeira: 196.1 km/h (122 mph)
Serra do Eixe: 157 km/h (98 mph)
Campus de Vigo: 146.9 km/h (92 mph)
Gandara: 145.8 km/h (91 mph)

France
Eiffel Tower, Paris: 175 km/h (106 mph)
Saint-Clement of the Whales: 159km/h (99 mph)
Charente-Maritime: 161km/h (100 mph)

A Personal Weather Station in Les Portes-en-Re recorded sustained winds of 143 km/h (89 mph) gusting to 180 km/h (112 mph) before losing power at the height of the storm. According to Meteo France, the maximum recorded gust from Xynthia for elevations lower than 1200m was 160 km/h along the coast and 120 km/h inland. In 1999, Winter Storm Lothar brought gusts of almost 200 km/h to coastal areas and up to 160 km/h in the interior at these lower elevations.


Figure 1. Six-hour animation of the surface winds as Winter Storm Xynthia crossed the Bay of Biscay and smashed into France.

Destructive European storms of the past 60 years:
2010: Winter Storm Xynthia of February 27, 2010 killed 51 people in France, Spain, and neighboring countries, and did $2 - $4 billion in damage. Lowest pressure: 967 mb.

Winter Storm Klaus hit northern Spain and southwest France January 23 - 25, 2009, and was Earth's most costly natural disaster of 2009, causing $5.1 billion in damage and killing 26. Minimum pressure: 967 mb.

Kyrill (January 18, 2007) killed at least 45, with Germany suffering the most fatalities (13). Minimum pressure: 964 mb.

Back-to-back winter storms Lothar and Martin December 26-28, 1999) killed 140 people, 88 of the victims in France. Minimum pressure: 961 mb (Lothar), 965 mb (Martin).

The Burns' Day Storm of 1990 killed 97, mostly in England. Minimum pressure: 949 mb.

The Great Storm of 1987 was Europe's "storm of the century". It killed 22 people in England and France. Minimum pressure: 953 mb.

The North Sea Flood of 1962 killed 318 people--315 of them in Hamburg, Germany.

The North Sea Flood of 1953 killed 2,000 people in the Netherlands and England.

Xynthia's warm air surge sets records
One reason Xynthia became so powerful is that it formed very far south, where it was able to tap into an airmass that was unusually warm and moist. Satellite measurements (Figure 2) showed a plume of high total precipitable water (the amount of precipitation one can produce by condensing all the water vapor from the surface to the top of the atmosphere), about 300% above average, flowing from southwest to northeast along Xynthia's cold front. Enhancing the amount of moisture was the presence of very warm sea surface temperatures 1°C above average along this plume. As this extra moisture flowed into the storm, the moisture condensed into rain, releasing the "latent heat" stored up in the water vapor (the extra energy that was originally used to evaporate the water into water vapor). This latent heat further intensified Xynthia. The storm's central pressure fell to 966 mb at the storm's peak intensity, reached at 18 GMT Saturday after it passed over Spain's northwest corner.

As warm, tropical air surged northeastwards in advance of Xynthia's cold front, it set several all-time high temperature records for the month of February. Melilla, Spain hit 34°C (93°F) at 3pm local time on the 27th, beating previous highest February temperature of 30.6°C, set in 1979. The temperature surged upwards a remarkable 9.1°C (16°F) in one hour as Xynthia's warm front passed through. Record February warmth was also observed in the Canary Islands as Xynthia's warm front passed though.


Figure 2. Satellite measurements show a region of high total precipitable water (the amount of precipitation one can produce by condensing all the water vapor from the surface to the top of the atmosphere) up to 300% above average, flowing from southwest to northeast along Xynthia's cold front. Enhancing the amount of moisture was the presence of very warm sea surface temperatures along this plume, about 1°C above average. If this pool of very warm water is still around in July, it could lead to an earlier than average start to the Atlantic hurricane season. Image credit: Sheldon Kusselson, NOAA/NESDIS, and National Hurricane Center.

Next storm
For the the U.S., the next winter storm of note is a moderately strong low pressure system currently over Texas that is expected to move quickly eastwards today and Tuesday. The storm should bring an inch or so of snow to Atlanta and northeast Alabama, and 2 - 4" to the nearby mountains of South and North Carolina, including Charlotte. After that, the models show a long break from winter storm activity for the Eastern U.S. Beginning Sunday, it looks like it will be the Midwest's turn, when a powerful winter storm will drop out of the Rockies, then move across the northern tier of Midwestern states early next week.

Next post
I'll have a new post Tuesday or Wednesday.

Jeff Masters

Xynthia - High seas in Carcavelos (Portugal) (rozzopt)
High seas an waves from storm Synthia, with storm-surge taking over the entire beach, and "attacking" bars usually 30meters away from the sea.
Xynthia - High seas in Carcavelos (Portugal)

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These winds remind me of a strong tropical storm! This is stronger than any storm that passed thru here in 2009 hurricane season!
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:
No more posts by me for today, though I'll read the rest. See y'all (no Southern accent) later!

See ya Astro. You're a hero.
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Quoting Chicklit:
Florida doesn't want oil mined in the Gulf because of the pollution. I don't know how long the Alaskan payments have been going on, but long enough to become part of a family's annual income they are counting on. That's all I was saying. I cannot for the life of me figure out why else a smart young lad like Levi would be skeptical about global warming when every single reputable meteorologist and environmental expert in the world thinks otherwise. I've gone down the list of "skeptics" and find everything but those who specialize in the field and actually know what they're talking about.

I suppose my reputation precedes me...
:-(

Seriously, you've never read with Lindzen or Christy or D'Aleo had to say?
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No more posts by me for today, though I'll read the rest. See y'all (no Southern accent) later!
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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:


IPCC says (your quote) "1F warming by 2011"

Now as i posted the latest sat image


We have now 1.03F just to compare LAST YEAR!!!! ... pretty accurate if you ask me. And as you can see it undermines the prediction already in the start of 2010.

Pretty scary development.

http://climateprogress.org/2010/03/01/accuweather%e2%80%99s-joe-bastardi-admits-earth- continues-war mest-winter-since-satellite-measurements-started-and-feb-should-be-warmest-on-record/


Now, just one thing. Those measurements are based on brightness temperature which are an indirect measurement method.

Quoting Skepticall:


Yea I can't find what he was talking about on his own link so I'm going to go with it he made it up for right now.


Next time, just click "find" and search for "2.2". :)

Quoting Skepticall:
No reply back to me Astro?


Sorry about that, it took a long time to reply to all the arguing.

Quoting SevereHurricane:


LOL! 19F rise by 2100? That is preposterous! Whats sad is that our tax payer money is going straight to the fools who run this BS.


Not preposterous with all the feedbacks, but the water vapor feedback was shown to be currently negative so you never know.

Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


earthquake 5 or greater s cen asia


And another one in Luzon, Phillippines! What is going on?! I need to write a blog on this STAT, but I only have two minutes of computer time left.

Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
ya know this is all becoming just to much


Too much debate, or too much information?
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Yes, Patrap. It all comes down to less reliance on oil, higher fuel efficiency, more mass transportation.
Personally, I prefer the bicycle and my motorcycle to anything. I also don't run my heat in the winter, etc. though I do use a space heater in my office.
Raising personal consciousness of how each person can use less energy is where it has to start. And from there, we can and will actually accomplish something.
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Quoting Grothar:


Ha! How you doing Atmo??? Hate when the blog starts getting civil.

Doing lovely, myself. Been looking at global buoy info a little more.

You guys realize how many drifting buoys we have on the planet, yet, we see very few through our usual dissemination points? (such as NDBC...maybe 15 drifting reports, max, at any given time)

Check this out (yeah, a lot are SST only):

That's a heck of a lot more buoy platforms than we get at ndbc, and this plot doesn't include any that we do.

Wouldn't it be nice to be able to access sea level pressure from those that measure it in the path of TCs without having to delve into WMO decoding? I agree.

(you can get these, though with a delay, at sailwx.info)

Only problem: Many of these report to polar orbiting satellites. They have to wait for line of sight and eventually give an update possibly up to 2 hours old. Not a continuous update like most of our moored buoys.
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342. AstroHurricane001 6:52 PM AKST on March 01, 2010

Astro...

Climategate....Al Gore...these people have a lot to gain from promoting GW. Think of people like Joe Bastardi, Joe D'leo, Don Easterbrook...how much do you think they stand to gain from opposing GW? Next to nothing....follow the money...they're not getting any of it...the AGW people are. In that light, who are people with common sense going to trust more? The political activists and scientists with an agenda? Or the people honestly devoting their lives to science and reporting their findings for the betterment of the world.

Anyway I think we've all had our fill of this stuff tonight.
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Over 40+mph wind gusts here in N Mobile county! I cant believe we still have power!
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Quoting Patrap:
Ah,,,the Grothar comment, always welcomed ..along with a quote.

Im flattered sport...LOL


Hey, Pat. Sorry, no quote tonight. Seems others have had their way quoting everyone else in the world. Hope you have been well. Haven't been on too much as you know.
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Quoting Chicklit:
Florida doesn't want oil mined in the Gulf because of the pollution. I don't know how long the Alaskan payments have been going on, but long enough to become part of a family's annual income they are counting on. That's all I was saying. I cannot for the life of me figure out why else a smart young lad like Levi would be skeptical about global warming when every single reputable meteorologist and environmental expert in the world thinks otherwise. I've gone down the list of "skeptics" and find everything but those who specialize in the field and actually know what they're talking about.


Worked offshore for 3 years and well...built 3 Oil reinfires before I was 20 in the Late 70s.

Ive seen the Damage done on both Land and sea.

But I dont know if you know this,..but them coal fired Plant s your running and those Vehicles driving up and down yer Highways 24/7 365 may be polluting more than any Oil Spill ever recorded Dear.

But I'd hate to burden you with the numbers.
We gots plenty of them data types here all the time.

What you really dont want is those rigs down in Miami and off Orlando for all those tourist dollars to see.

But one can see Many from Destin and Pensacola already.

LOL




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Quoting AstroHurricane001:
Global warming is supposed to be about science, but the denial industry has injected so much confuddle into this as to turn it into a political issue (and forestalling the actual science).

Tough to deny that the manufactured fear industry had done it's share, too. Wild, fictional claims do nothing but aid the conspiracy theorists.
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Quoting atmoaggie:
I knew they had to attack the messenger, eventually...that looped tape thing...

GROTHAR!!! (sarcastic old ba$...)
;-)


Ha! How you doing Atmo??? Hate when the blog starts getting civil.
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Quoting Patrap:
Thats crazy talk chicklit.

How much Oil does FLorida produce?

Zilch,Nada, naught.


But they want no Rigs within view of their Coastlines as well.

But they moan when a cat 3 is heading for Texas or Louisiana.

Way before they even consider the Impact on a coastline or those maybe in danger.

Folks are always here hollering about gas prices.
One should take care with swift judgement of States that doe Produce,refine and process Oil so you and those non producing stares can have Gas,fuel oil and plastics.

Louisiana citizens receive no such funding or royalties from our resources being plundered by Big Oil,our wetlands and coastal erosion is a direct result of that process.

And we produce a Large % of what the other States use.

I'd lighten up on Alaska.

Or Maybe invest in Orange Juice powered Cars maybe.


I love when the Cali s get riled about the smallest of spills immediately surrounded by a boom and cleaned up. Not that it is a good thing, of course, but far more crude naturally bubbles out of the ocean floor off of California than man spills.
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Quoting Grothar:


Knew it was too good to last!!


nothing last forever

lol
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Ah,,,the Grothar comment, always welcomed ..along with a quote.

Im flattered sport...LOL
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Des Moines, Iowa sets record for Snowiest Winter on record from Dec. to Feb.

Atlanta, Corpus Christi, Orlando, and Melbourne crack the top 5 coldest Feb. on record!

I got this from the Weather Channel
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Quoting Skepticall:


I beg to differ.

February, 2010, was the first month since 2007 with sunspots every day according to Spaceweather.com for February 27. A quick check of February 28 confirms the streak. So far there have been only 2 spot-free days in 2010. By comparison there were 260 spot-free days in 2009, and there have been 772 spot-free days since 2004. What this means is that one of the quietest periods of solar activity in recent history may be coming to an end.


Yes, but the effects of solar activity are not immediate and also not very large. However, the next solar maximum may have much of an effect, as per the solar variation article:

There is weak evidence for a quasi-periodic variation in the sunspot cycle amplitudes with a period of about 90 years. These characteristics indicate that the next solar cycle should have a maximum smoothed sunspot number of about 145±30 in 2010 while the following cycle should have a maximum of about 70±30 in 2023

Quoting Skyepony:
CIMSS Satellite Blog has a write of an interesting mystery anomaly solved by a local..


Interesting. Thanks for that. So in 2009 there was only one patch of (free-floating) old ice west of Greenland and the rest of it was young ice.

Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


there were no polar caps during the cretaceous period... did humans cause that too?


No, of course the Earth has been warmer in the past. But certainly not that warm while human civilization existed. Look at it this way: human civilization and agricultural methods that have supported us depend on the current stable period of climate called the Holocene (some now call the current epoch the Anthropocene due to human influence). In the past, many ancient civilizations have collapsed due to famine, wars, resource depletion, or climate change. However, both the rate and amplitude of change that we're heading into are beyond the natural variability of the past 10,000 years. Remember that past civilizations existed when the world was not grouped into a global modern civilization, and also when networks that we depend on such as electricity and the Internet did not exist. Now, a global climate change will affect the global civilization. Sure dinosaurs fluorished during a warm era, but can most species today survive such a rapid transition to a climate state like that without enough time to adapt? No.

Quoting Skyepony:


I was discussing the '08-'09 sunspot minimum & how it wasn't normal (conflicting Levi:)..you beg to differ like how? You think it was normal? Yeah I think we all know it is over.. Told ya'll a year ago when it ended & we hit an El Nino peak we should cycle up to really warm..by sat measurements that is exactly what has happened. SST are really beginning to reflect it.

The sun has much a longer cycle than the 11 year that plays way more with the temps of the earth. We've had blogs on this where Dr Masters explained how that is also in a negative phase when we would expect cooling, not this.. It's stupid to blame the sun, knowing what we do.


Let's look at solar variation again and see when existing cycles may provide an extra boost to warming this century: 2030 and 2038.

Now, what about a cooling influence? 2074.

Quoting Levi32:
217. AstroHurricane001 3:52 PM AKST on March 01, 2010

Read above on Bastardi. I am a witness to everything he said and video-taped about this El Nino. He expected this temperature spike, and you should know that the ocean-atmospheric relationship lags both ways. The maximum increase in global heat isn't going to occur when the strongest warm SST anomalies occur....just like the warmest part of the day isn't when the sun's incoming radiation is the strongest.

The average of everything since 1977 is going to be warmer than "normal" based on mid-20th century climatology, obviously because we've been in a warm PDO since then. If this spike is bigger than 1998, then so be it, it's not that big of a deal. The major energy centers of the earth (eastern USA, Europe, and the far east) were outrageously cold this winter, but the world as a whole is very warm. Why? Excessive blocking in the high latitudes, enhanced to some degree by polar volcanic activity last year, warmed the arctic and drove all the cold air into the mid-latitudes. This is also why your east-ocean boundary currents are having issues, because air pressure oscillations (AO, NAO, etc) have all been insanely negative all winter, slowing down the ocean gyres and therefore the boundary currents. The east-ocean boundary currents are the weakest and most susceptible to being overwhelmed by warmer water for a time.

And there may be other ways to figure out what temperatures were before satellites, but they are not complete global records that cover all the grid points, and there is so much controversy about the accuracy of the data which is prone to error and manipulation. The best way to go is with the hard-core unbiased data that we know for a fact is true. All we have truly observed so far in history is one warm cycle of the PDO. We are about to enter our first cold cycle which will continue for the next 20-30 years. You say we don't have time to wait. I say no matter what people will keep looking for clean energy and ways to clean up our atmosphere, which is a noble cause with or without global warming to worry about, so I'm not at all concerned about us not making enough effort even if GW does exist. People will continue to advance those projects to improve our negative effects on the environment and I support those efforts.



OK, the stuff about blocking of gyres is interesting, but hopefully temporary. I'm only going to address a few points here, and one is that the winter pattern this year effectively opened up the floodgates to Arctic air on the continental landmasses in the Northern Hemisphere, and the reverse was true in the southern hemisphere. What we need now is a global climate change deal that will aim to reduce carbon emissions and other acivities damaging to the environment. Which the world leaders completely failed to do in Copenhagen, one because of mistrust, and two because it was cold. The same cold weather is leading to more fossil fuel being burnt through heating, as well as more climate denial. I have made my own predictions, and one of them is that global average temperatures will warm by 2.2C from 1800 levels by 2050, causing the extinctions of about one-third of all plant/animal species. I'd say that half of all species will be extinct by the mid-2070's. The problem is, if such a prediction unfold, can we as human beings cope with that? What of our cultural, ancestral and even spiritual ties to the land and famous heritage sites? If they and entire patches of habitable land are gone forever, how will societies cope with loss on a continous basis?

Quoting TampaSpin:


Hate to say it but, this years Hurricane season might just cool the Atlantic a good bit.......But, boy i hope not!


The NAO and gyre slowing pattern has already contributed to colder than normal SSTs in the western and northern half of the North Atlantic basin (minus some areas around Greenland and Svalbard), surrounding the Gulf Stream. The division between warm and cool anomalies is espected to be closer to parallel to latitude lines when hurricane season starts. In addition, hurricanes will likely alter the direction of the Gulf Stream as well, setting it up for future hurricanes.

Quoting Skyepony:


So you expect us to bust into flames? NOAA figures we'll kill our ocean as a food source by 2050 from us not mean but polluting people making the oceans too acidic.. sea level rise is already forcing people from their homes..lowest sea rise projections put 10% of the world population out of a home in less than 90 years... There are so many reasons we need to stop burning & polluting to get by even if you remove AGW from the situation.


Oh dear, many people around the world depend on the ocean as a main food source. Jellyfish and toxic algal blooms will also proliferate, further starving dead zones of oxygen and altering the global oceanic heat, salinity and nutrient balance. There are even some species of jellyfish that reproduce asexually by the billions when conditions such as temperature, salinity, acidity, etc. change by a fraction of a noticeable amount. Already, jellyfish are ruining fish catches off East Asia, mothers have had to send their children away to prostitution in Kenya due to failed crops and global warming, Tuvalu and the Maldives are thinking about where to go when their country is submerged under the sea, etc. If this gets worse progressively, and at a progressively faster rate, the entire world will suffer, and wars could break out. 640 million people would be displaced by a 10-meter sea level rise, and that's by today's population. Much of Southern Europe could be turned to desert, along with the American Midwest and the Amazon before 2100. If we don't examine the possible effects, we won't act, and if we don't act in time then all we can do is watch as our livelihoods are slowly destroyed by a product of our own actions.

Quoting atmoaggie:


Ever seen this? http://www.atlantisquest.com/Bahama.html

Possible people have been leaving for higher ground, in stages, for a long, long time.

Where are people currently fleeing for high ground besides areas of subsidence and atolls? (other reasons to consider for the latter)


Many people have had to flee to higher ground after the ice age, for example when the Black Sea was turned from a freshwater or brine lake to part of the ocean and its shores quickly rose perhaps 50 metres. Today the lake is 90% devoid of oxygen.Link The point is, today there are more cities in low-lying places, so they will have to be abandoned, and in some cases entire countries will have to be abandoned. Also, a similar thing could happen today, if global sea levels rise past 25 m and fill into a saltwater lake called Ozero Manych-Gudilo, in Russia. If the waters spill eastward, the entire Caspian Basin will be filled to the brim, and that's about 55 metres of local sea level rise. Another place where this could happen is around Erta Ale, a volcano, in Ethiopia. It is completely surrounded by a region below sea level and is located in a part of the Great Rift Valley that is about to split Africa into two, and the filling of the depression would initiate this process. The sea level rise requried is about seven meters.

Quoting TampaSpin:


Levi give up Brother! Those that believe will put something together and change there story as to what is happening until an Ice Age begins and even then they will have us in Global Warming!


Um...In that case, the converse would also be true. When global temperatures rise above 2C, the commonly accepted threshold for dangerous climate change, there will likely still be people claiming that "it's all a hoax".

Quoting Ossqss:


This may help a bit. I was reading from this site the other day :)

Found this interesting !

http://www.spacetoday.org/SolSys/Sun/Sunspots.html

"Magnetic flip. An additional indication that Cycle 23 peaked in the year 2000 came in a NASA report in February 2001 that the Sun's magnetic field had flipped. That means that Sun's north pole, which had been in the northern hemisphere of the Sun before the flip, now is in the southern hemisphere.The flip really wasn't a surprise since it seems to happen at the peak of each solar cycle. "

http://www.spacetoday.org/SolSys/Sun/SolarIndicesFAQ.html


Oh, that reminds me. Link

Quoting Levi32:


I give up eventually when this guy starts spewing out propaganda for too many hours in a row, but I will never give in to this political nonsense they want us to believe.


Politics? POLITICS?! Why does every skeptic have to inject unreasonal assumptions about political motives behind every AGW argument? If people study climate change in order to disprove it, that's coming up with a conclusion before examining the evidence, and is neither skepticism nor science. If AGW is propaganda, then skepticism on this issue is ExxonMobil. Me? I strongly dislike politics. It simply DOES NOT WORK. Global warming is supposed to be about science, but the denial industry has injected so much confuddle into this as to turn it into a political issue (and forestalling the actual science).
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Florida doesn't want oil mined in the Gulf because of the pollution. I don't know how long the Alaskan payments have been going on, but long enough to become part of a family's annual income they are counting on. That's all I was saying. I cannot for the life of me figure out why else a smart young lad like Levi would be skeptical about global warming when every single reputable meteorologist and environmental expert in the world thinks otherwise. I've gone down the list of "skeptics" and find everything but those who specialize in the field and actually know what they're talking about.
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Quoting Patrap:
Thats crazy talk chicklit.

How much Oil does FLorida produce?

Zilch,Nada, naught.


But they want no Rigs within view of their Coastlines as well.

But they moan when a cat 3 is heading for Texas or Louisiana.

Way before they even consider the Impact on a coastline or those maybe in danger.

Folks are always here hollering about gas prices.
One should take care with swift judgment of States that do Produce,refine and process Oil so you and those non producing states can have Gas,fuel oil and plastics.

Louisiana citizens receive no such funding or royalties from our resources being plundered by Big Oil,our wetlands and coastal erosion is a direct result of that process.

And we produce a Large % of what the other States use.

I'd lighten up on Alaska.

Or Maybe invest in Orange Juice powered Cars.


G'night too.



Knew it was too good to last!!
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Really? Not one single tornado in Feb, 2010?

(this is weather, not climate, before any of you get any ideas...)

http://www.norman.noaa.gov/2010/03/no-tornadoes-in-february-2010/
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Thats crazy talk chicklit.

How much Oil does FLorida produce?

Zilch,Nada, naught.


But they want no Rigs within view of their Coastlines as well.

But they moan when a cat 3 is heading for Texas or Louisiana.

Way before they even consider the Impact on a coastline or those maybe in danger.

Folks are always here hollering about gas prices.
One should take care with swift judgment of States that do Produce,refine and process Oil so you and those non producing states can have Gas,fuel oil and plastics.

Louisiana citizens receive no such funding or royalties from our resources being plundered by Big Oil,our wetlands and coastal erosion is a direct result of that process.

And we produce a Large % of what the other States use.

I'd lighten up on Alaska.

Or Maybe invest in Orange Juice powered Cars.


G'night too.

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Quoting Chicklit:

We're talking to Junior.
And he is really a very good boy.
So behave Grothar.
Anyway, goodnight!


Who's Junior?
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Quoting Chicklit:

We're talking to Junior.


LOL
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I knew they had to attack the messenger, eventually...that looped tape thing...

GROTHAR!!! (sarcastic old ba$...)
;-)
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Quoting Grothar:
Why is everyone being so nice to each other tonight. Did something happen I don't know about???? The compliments are flying around like...........!!!

We're talking to Junior.
And he is really a very good boy.
So behave Grothar.
Anyway, goodnight!
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Quoting Chicklit:

You are part of a family that receives a substantial pay-off annually from the mining of oil in your state.


You mean our Permanent-fund-dividend? Sure I guess but Alaska won't necessarily die without oil. I can't prove it to you but honestly the thought that efforts to prevent global warming might lower my family's income has never even entered my mind until now, much less influenced my opinion on the subject. In fact I'm surprised the companies like Exxon Mobile haven't put up more of a fight considering its oil interests.

I'll accept the truth when it is plain to see, no matter what it is.
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Why is everyone being so nice to each other tonight. Did something happen I don't know about???? The compliments are flying around like...........!!!
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Quoting Levi32:


I'm 18 chicklit....don't think I'm caring about oil putting money in my pocket as I don't have any money yet LOL.

You are part of a family that receives a substantial pay-off annually from the mining of oil in your state. If you're anything like my family, which was a very healthy one while my son was growing up, we discussed many issues over the kitchen table at dinner every night. My son, of course, would be influenced by his parents' opinions, as any good son would. Anyway, I'm leaving it at that.
Not a personal attack by any means, as I have great respect for you as both a person and a student of meteorology and whatever field you choose for yourself. I am sure you will do well as you show an aptitude for studying.
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Quoting Chicklit:
Yes, Levi is from Alaska.
And yes, Levi is skeptical about global warming which is directly attributed to the burning of fossil fuels, aka OIL, which contributes a substantial amount to his family's annual income.
I trust the young lad is very bright; however, I still trust in the power of the almighty dollar to influence one's thoughts that are closest to one's heart.


I'm 18 chicklit....I don't think I'm caring about oil putting money in my pocket as I don't have any money yet LOL. And my dad makes money off of quite different things than oil so that's not a concern.
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Yes, Levi is from Alaska.
And yes, Levi is skeptical about global warming which is directly attributed to the burning of fossil fuels, aka OIL, which contributes a substantial amount to his family's annual income.
I trust the young lad is very bright; however, I still trust in the power of the almighty dollar to influence one's thoughts that are closest to one's heart.
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Quoting Patrap:


With your mind and tact..your gonna do fine Levi.

You dont go emotional and beserk with the data you present and always are respectful as far as I have seen and observed.

That and a good attitude with a formal education will take one far in a career choice.

Thanx for the kind words as well.


Thanks for the compliment.
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Quoting Patrap:
I dont try to sway opinions Levi,..not my job.

Politics muddies science and those who do the research arent driven by it,nor consumed by it either as we see here on a daily basis.

I have wu-mail saved from 5 years to prove dat factoid..and from recently as well.

LOL

But when ya a tad more chronologically dated as I am,,,one tends to stick with the published data and the science.
Not the trends and cable sound bites many come here with.

I try to stick to what I do.

Observe the tropics,lend a word about preparation..and maybe share some personal insight garnered from 30 plus Hours in Eyewall's thru 5 decades.

My lil way of contributing.


i myself pretty well have the same outlook pat been on this earth 45 yrs been watchin weather since i was 16 i have no formal training in weather i see the changes don't need any proof all the proof ya need is in observations and changes in patterns the last 20 years and things are changing if its human or not things are changing and ya don't need to be a climate scientist to see this
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This article was published in the Spring 2002 issue of Geophilos, a publication of the Land Research Trust. For further info, email: metaman@compuserve.com.

It was also one of the five winning essays of the There Are Alternatives Project of the McKeever Institute of Economic Policy Analysis.



The Alaska Permanent Fund: A Model of Resource Rents for Public Investment and Citizen Dividends
by Alanna Hartzok




Alaska Permanent Fund




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And how much do Alaskans get paid every year for the oil that is taken from that state?
Money talks. Good intentions aside.
Anyway, goodnight.
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Quoting Levi32:


And you do a great job at it Pat...we all very much appreciate what you do here and the wisdom you share with us.

I like sticking to facts too, but like you said politics gets in the way so that people can't tell what's a fact and what's not anymore. There are too many lies out there these days. The truth will eventually win out as it always does.


With your mind and tact..your gonna do fine Levi.

You dont go emotional and beserk with the data you present and always are respectful as far as I have seen and observed.

That and a good attitude with a formal education will take one far in a career choice.

Thanx for the kind words as well.
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Quoting Patrap:
I dont try to sway opinions Levi,..not my job.

Politics muddies science and those who do the research arent driven by it,nor consumed by it either as we see here on a daily basis.

I have wu-mail saved from 5 years to prove dat factoid..and from recently as well.

LOL

But when ya a tad more chronologically dated as I am,,,one tends to stick with the published data and the science.
Not the trends and cable sound bites many come here with.

I try to stick to what I do.

Observe the tropics,lend a word about preparation..and maybe share some personal insight garnered from 30 plus Hours in Eyewall thru 5 decades.

My lil way of contributing.



And you do a great job at it Pat...we all very much appreciate what you do here and the wisdom you share with us.

I like sticking to scientific facts too, but like you said politics gets in the way so that people can't tell what's a fact and what's not anymore. There are too many lies out there these days and people practicing bad science. The truth will eventually win out as it always does, no matter which truth that may be.
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Quoting taco2me61:


Nope not for me Keeper.... LOL
I'm well past that kind of Help.... LMAO again....
lol taco
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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
there is no help4u is it


Nope not for me Keeper.... LOL
I'm well past that kind of Help.... LMAO again....
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I dont try to sway opinions Levi,..not my job.

Politics muddies science and those who do the research arent driven by it,nor consumed by it either as we see here on a daily basis.

I have wu-mail saved from 5 years to prove dat factoid..and from recently as well.

LOL

But when ya a tad more chronologically dated as I am,,,one tends to stick with the published data and the science.
Not the trends and cable sound bites many come here with.

I try to stick to what I do.

Observe the tropics,lend a word about preparation..and maybe share some personal insight garnered from 30 plus Hours in Eyewall's thru 5 decades.

My lil way of contributing.

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314. help4u 10:18 PM EST on March 01, 2010
BREAKING NEWS!!!Inverted earth theory,since the earth is one million degrees hot the earth is pushing upward causing the heat to boil to the top,causing the earth to warm! Al Gore!We need to pass cap and trade now!!Send your money to INVERTED EARTH THEORY IN CARE OF Al GORE and the one we have been waiting for !
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there is no help4u is it
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Always exciting to see blogger's show the Million or so page views we get here a day how er,..intelligent they can be.

Gore-isms included.

LOL


Maybe we can get some "Family" advice from the Likes of Okla.Sen Inhofe to join the clever posters as well.

LOL again.


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Quoting Patrap:
We can tell the Co2 Level in the atmosphere going back hundreds of thousands of years from Ice core sampling and the trapped gases within using mass spectrometer methods.
So to say we dont know what the past climate was is wrong at best.

Pollen determines species and Temperature regimes for the given samplings as well.

This is a test ice core drilling at the Ohio State University's Byrd Polar Research Center. This drill accompanies scientists around to world to drill cores from glaciers. These cores are analyzed and can tell us about Earth's climate thousands of years ago. Filmed by COSI Team Member Michael Forrester using a Flip video camera. Join us at COSI for a celebration of the International Polar Year the weekend of February 27-March 1, 2009.





I know Pat but it's impossible to get a complete global record, it just is. Ice cores will only give insight into polar climate, so in a very general way we can see where the earth may have been significantly warmer or colder, but nothing detailed. The same goes for the pollen and plants...it's sporadic and can never be converted into a complete global picture.

I don't have a problem with it, except that there is so much controversy about the accuracy of reconstructed temperature graphs that I have resigned to stay away from citing any such data for my arguments. Many people have twisted and manipulated the data to suit global warming theory anyway, just think of the climategate scandal. People get on my case all the time for citing "inaccurate and incomplete data", so why should I bother with it at all if they're going to be hypocritical. From now on I will debate the hard factual temperature data from satellite measurements since 1979. We have only truly observed the earth's climate since then, and we are about to observe the first ever cold PDO cycle with our satellites, and I think that's going to be really revealing over the next 30 years. I'm excited to be growing up during this time when all this technology is opening up to us, and I'm eager to keep learning about this intriguing stuff.
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Quoting help4u:
BREAKING NEWS!!!Inverted earth theory,since the earth is one million degrees hot the earth is pushing upward causing the heat to boil to the top,causing the earth to warm! Al Gore!We need to pass cap and trade now!!Send your money to INVERTED EARTH THEORY IN CARE OF Al GORE and the one we have been waiting for !
You sound like Schnitt from the Schnitt Show....

Taco :0)
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Even astronomical research and data is found in Ice Core sampling.


February 23rd, 2009
Evidence of Supernovae Found in Ice Core Sample

Written by Nancy Atkinson




February 23rd, 2009
Evidence of Supernovae Found in Ice Core Sample

Written by Nancy Atkinson

Ice core sample. Credit: University of Alaska Geophysical Institute

Ice core sample. Credit: University of Alaska Geophysical Institute

Chinese and Arabic astronomers left historical documentation of a supernova that occurred in our own galaxy in the year 1006 (SN 1006), and another one 48 years later (SN 1054). Some of the writings about SN 1006 say there was a visual explosion half the size of the moon, and it shone so brightly that objects on the ground could be seen at night. We know these writings weren't just fantastical imaginations because we now have the "leftovers" of these supernovae; Supernova Remnant 1006 and the Crab Nebula. But now there is more evidence. A team of Japanese scientists has found the first evidence of supernovae in an ice core sample.

The gamma rays from nearby supernova ought to have a significant impact on our atmosphere, in particular by producing an excess of nitrogen oxide. Ice cores are known to be rich in information regarding past climates, and scientists thought core samples could record astronomical phenomena, as well. In 1979, a group of researchers suggested the idea when they found nitrate ion (NO3-) concentration spikes in an ice core sample from the South Pole ice core that might correlate with the known historical supernovae Tycho (AD 1572), Kepler (AD 1604), and SN 1181 (AD 1181). Their findings, however, were not supported by subsequent examinations by other researchers using different ice cores, and the results remained controversial and confusing.

But in 2001, a team of scientists from Japan drilled a 122 meter ice core sample at the Dome Fuji station in Antarctica, an inland site in Antarctica. At a depth of about 50 metres, corresponding to the 11th century, they found three nitrogen oxide spikes, two of which were 48 years apart and easily identifiable as belonging to SN 1006 and SN 1054. The team speculates that the mysterious third spike may have been caused by another supernova, visible only from the southern hemisphere.

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BREAKING NEWS!!!Inverted earth theory,since the earth is one million degrees hot the earth is pushing upward causing the heat to boil to the top,causing the earth to warm! Al Gore!We need to pass cap and trade now!!Send your money to INVERTED EARTH THEORY IN CARE OF Al GORE and the one we have been waiting for !
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There are many aspects of ice core sampling ,..this site shows another.

For recent and yearly sampling.


Seasonal Ice Zone Observing Network (SIZONET)


Ice cores are regularly taken at designated landfast ice sites in Barrow (mass balance site) and Wales (stable ice1 km off town) throughout the ice-year and also at various other times and locations coinciding with the different field components and observations. Through analyzing salinity profiles, ice cores reveal information about the ice's growth history. Physical characteristics, such as entrained sediment and superimposed ice layers, reveal information about the environmental conditions under which the ice grew and evolved. Rafting of ice layers, a process significantly contributing to the thickening of first year ice, is often identifiable. Stable isotopic signatures reveal the origin of the ice's sea water. Structural and stratigraphic analysis helps assess growth mechanisms and conditions, as well as provides important data for understanding sea ice thermal, optical and dielectric properties and for percolation modeling.
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Well I have to say I think my Weather Station is working.... We just had a gust of 18MPH and the rain total as of right now is 1.35" so I hope it keeps working....

Taco :0)
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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Skypony is this a hurricane?


It's a mature extratropical cyclone that has gone into warm-seclusion, in other words it's shallow warm-core, similar to a subtropical storm. It is a somewhat common occurrence in very large and mature winter storms.

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We can tell the Co2 Level in the atmosphere going back hundreds of thousands of years from Ice core sampling and the trapped gases within using mass spectrometer methods.
So to say we dont know what the past climate was is wrong at best.

Pollen determines species and Temperature regimes for the given samplings as well.

This is a test ice core drilling at the Ohio State University's Byrd Polar Research Center. This drill accompanies scientists around to world to drill cores from glaciers. These cores are analyzed and can tell us about Earth's climate thousands of years ago. Filmed by COSI Team Member Michael Forrester using a Flip video camera. Join us at COSI for a celebration of the International Polar Year the weekend of February 27-March 1, 2009.



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Levi is my hero.

(And he is what? 20? This is coming from a guy with a little formal education in the subject and in his mid-30s. LOL!)
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