Great earthquake rocks Chile; NYC gets 4th greatest snow ever; Xynthia batters Europe

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 5:26 PM GMT on February 27, 2010

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A great earthquake with magnitude 8.8 rocked the coast of Chile at 6:34 GMT this morning, generating a potentially dangerous tsunami that is racing across the Pacific Ocean. The great quake is the 7th most powerful tremor in world history (Figure 1). Preliminary tsunami wave heights for the California coast near Santa Barbara are 2 - 2.5 feet. The wave is expected to arrive between 12:15 - 12:35 pm PST. The tsunami is expected to arrive in Hawaii between 11:05 - 11:42am HST, with a wave 8.2 feet high expected in Hilo, on the Big Island. A tsunami from the 9.5 Magnitude 1960 earthquake in Chile killed 61 people in Hilo. Today's quake was so strong, that it triggered a seiche in Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana, over 4,500 miles (7,000 km) away. The lake sloshed back and forth, creating a wave 0.4 - 0.51 feet on either side of the lake.


Figure 1. Wikipedia's list of strongest earthquakes of all-time.

Preliminary tsunami amplitude forecasts:

La Jolla, CA 2.3 ft
Los Angeles, CA 2.0 ft
Malibu, CA 2.6 ft
Pt. San Luis, CA 2.3 ft
Half Moon Bay, CA 2.6 ft
Crescent City, CA 1.7 ft
Morro Bay, CA 2.2 ft
Santa Monica, CA 3.3 ft
San Francisco, CA 0.7 ft
Pismo Beach, CA 4.6 ft

Hilo, HI 8.2 feet 11:5am HST
Honolulu, HI 1.6 ft 11:37am HST
Kahului, HI 7.2 ft 11:26am HST
Nawiliwili, HI 3.0 ft 11:42am HST
Haleiwa 1.6 ft
Kawaihae 2.0 ft

Port Orford, OR 0.7 ft

Moclip, WA 1.3 ft

Seward, AK 1.3 ft
Stika, AK 1.3 ft
Kodiak, AK 2.3 ft

Tofino, British Columbia 1.7 ft

Today's great quake occurred at the boundary between the Nazca and South American plates about 325 km southwest of the capital Santiago (population 5.3 million). The depth was estimated at 35 km. At least four aftershocks of magnitude 6 or higher have occurred, the largest being a 6.9 aftershock. Fortunately, the area close to the epicenter is relatively sparsely populated, but there may be heavy damage in Concepción (est. pop. 300,000) and Chillan (est. pop. 170,000), which lie 115 km and 100 km to the south of the epicenter, respectively.


Figure 2. NOAA's preliminary forecast of tsunami wave energy for today's earthquake. Image credit: NOAA Tsunami Warning Center.

New York City slammed with its 4th largest snowstorm on record
The snow from the fourth extreme snowstorm to wallop the Northeast U.S. this winter dumped a remarkable 20.9" of snow on New York City's Central Park yesterday and Thursday. This is the 4th largest snowstorm for the city in recorded history. According to the National Weather Service, the top ten snowstorms on record for New York City's Central Park are:

26.9" Feb 11-12, 2006
26.4" Dec 26-27, 1947
21.0" Mar 12-14, 1888
20.9" Feb 25-26, 2010
20.2" Jan 7-8, 1996
19.8" Feb 16-17, 2003
18.1" Mar 7-8, 1941
17.7" Feb 5-7, 1978
17.6" Feb 11-12, 1983
17.5" Feb 4-7, 1920

The storm also helped New York City set a new all-time snowfall record for the most snow ever recorded in a month--36.9". The old record was 30.5", set in March 1896. However, the old Lower Manhattan WB Station recorded 37.9" in February 1894. Yesterday's snowstorm puts New York City's snow for the 2009 - 2010 season at 51.4", making it the 11th snowiest winter since 1869. Chris Burt, author of Extreme Weather, lists the city's all-time seasonal snowfall record at 81.5", set in the winter of 1867 - 1868. This measurement came before official records began in Central Park, and were done be the NY Park Commissioners (see "Annual Report NY Park Commissioners", 1868, by John B. Marie). The second snowiest winter in NYC occurred during the winter of 1995 - 1996, when 75.6" fell.

Destructive Winter Storm Xynthia battering Portugal and Spain
A powerful 969 mb low pressure system named "Xynthia" is rapidly intensifying of the coast of Spain, and stands poised to deliver a devastating blow to Portugal, Spain, and France today and tomorrow as it powers through Europe. Sustained winds of 60 mph (96 km/hr) were reported today at a Personal Weather Station in Costa del Morte, Spain. The pressure fell to 969 mb as Xynthia passed overhead. For comparison, Winter Storm Klaus had a minimum pressure of 967 mb. Klaus, which hit northern Spain and southwest France January 23 - 25, was Earth's most costly natural disaster of 2009, causing $5.1 billion in damage and killing 26. Models predict that Xynthia will continue to intensify today, reaching 962 mb as it moves into the west coast of France Sunday morning. Sustained winds of 50 - 65 mph (80 - 105 km/hr) with hurricane-force gusts up to 100 mph (160 km/hr) are possible along the north coast of Spain tonight and the west coast of France on Sunday as Xynthia barrels through. The storm is also bringing an exceptionally moist plume of tropical moisture ashore, as seen in precipitable water imagery from NOAA (Figure 4). This moisture is likely to cause moderate to severe flooding in portions of Europe over the weekend.


Figure 3. Visible satellite image at 12 GMT of Xynthia.


Figure 4. Satellite measurements show a region of extremely high atmospheric moisture is associated with Winter Storm Xynthia. This moisture will surge over Portugal and Spain today, potentially creating serious flooding. Image credit: Sheldon Kusselson, NOAA/NESDIS.

Links to follow:
Wundermap for Northwest Spain
Spanish radar
Meteo-France
Portugese radar

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the BIG one Taken in Manhattan
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This cottage was no match for 65 mph wind and an old pine tree.
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how bad is the severe weather potential for Florida Tuesday?
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By the way, earlier today I saw on the News that thousands of dead fish floated up in Rio de Janeiro Harbour.LinkLink In addition to the ocean anoxia caused by the algal blooms (hint: Boston red tides), I also lay the blame on El Nino, the abnormal warm temperatures off the Brazil (hint: warmer than when Catarina hit in 2004), and the stalling of ocean currents (hint: North Atlantic Gyre, South Atlantic Gyre).

Quoting IKE:


Sorry....I'm raking them into piles...taking them to my pit and burning them.

I use to buy bags and bag them. I put them by the road but the county will not pick them up.

I use to buy bags/bag them and take them to the landfill in my 99 Pontiac Sunfire. That's too expensive.

Oh...by the way...my neighbors on both sides of me....they burn their leaves too.

Sorry.


Then can't you just leave them on the ground? :P

Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Wind is picking up and i hear siren in the street...


If you're interested, Wikipedia has an article on the storm.
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

The world's most populated places are, in rough order, Mumbai in India (13.6 million people), Karachi in Pakistan (13 million), Delhi in India (11.3 million), Istanbul in Turkey (11.3 million), Sao Paulo in Brazil (11 million), Moscow in Russia (10.5 million), Seoul in South Korea (10.4 million), Shanghai in China (10 million), Beijing in China (9.5 million), Mexico City in Mexico (8.8 million), Tokyo in Japan (8.7 million), Jakarta in Indonesia (8.5 million), and New York City in the United States (8.3 million).

The most populated places at the country level are Monaco, a nation-state in Europe that is the most densely populated sovereign nation, with 32,000 people in just two square kilometers, and Singapore, with 4.6 million in 707 square kilometers. Macau and Hong Kong, mostly autonomous special administrative regions in China, are also extremely populous, with 520,400 and 7 million in 28.6 and 1,099 square kilometers respectively. If Macau were an independent nation, it would have the highest population density in the world.

Altogether, there are eight cities with populations over 10 million, at least eight cities with population densities over 20,000 people per square kilometer (seven in India and one in Bangladesh), and at least several additional cities with population densities between 10,000 and 20,000 people per square kilometer. For reference, a typical town or village has a population density of about 100-1,000 people per square kilometer, while the average world population density, if only the land is counted, is approximately 43 people per square kilometer. in general, the world's most populated places are found in south and east Asia.

The city with the highest population density in the world, and by extension one of the most populated places, by a factor of almost 100%, is Dhaka, the capital of Bangladesh. With 6.7 million residents living in an area of about 154 square kilometers (59.4 square miles), Dhaka is often known as the rickshaw capital of the world, with 400,000 rickshaws running daily. Like the rest of Bangladesh, Dhaka is culturally related to India, its neighbor to the east.

Despite fears over overpopulation, some of the most populated places in the world are some of the most interesting places to live. Though most of the most populated cities except Tokyo, Beijing, and New York City have huge slum areas, there are also large, well-developed portions of the city which are culturally, economically, and intellectually vibrant. With the global human population increasing by about 60 million people per year, and more than half of humanity living in cities, learning to hope with highly populated areas is the wave of the future. With careful planning, highly populated cities can be pleasant, with large parks and open space, as well as highly productive economically.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-some-of-the-worlds-most-populated-places.htm


Thing is though, many people in Dharavi now have to move due to new apartment complexes being built in the area. 400,000 people live in the slums.

Quoting CybrTeddy:


Way its lookin.. this year will be a prime year for systems like Dean and Bill in the early part of the season (July-Aug) The GOMEX though looks much cooler than it did in '09 which is good although it will likely warm up to well above average temperatures by April or May.


In fact, this year's late Feb SSTs in the West African coastal region have been warmer than almost every single year between 1982 and 2009. The Eastern cold current from Spain to Mauritania is gone, though farther south a spot down to 18C still remains. Check this list: Link
Quoting altesticstorm10:
If 1995, 1998, 2004 and 2005 are our analog years, we're in trouble -- though 1998 was actually fairly weak in comparison to the other three.

Also, let's not forget about this:


Only slightly warmer than 2010, and the image above showed SSTs in April 2005 and we're still in February going into March. Scary **** that the SSTs only need to heat slightly in the next 45 or so days (which they will, in all likelyhood) to equal the SST level of 2005 (which set records for warm anomalies for many portions of the Atlantic).


Hmm, by April 2005 the 20C line was also flat. That eventually helped to produce Vince, Delta, Epsilon, and Zeta.
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Quoting CybrTeddy:
2/3 of the most active hurricane seasons ever ('95 and '05) are analog years? Lovely.


Unfortunately yes. The reality is we're in a very active period in Atlantic hurricanes, and will continue to be for at least the next 10-15 years.
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Quoting zoomiami:


Just want to make sure where you are teddy - you seem to be a magnet - I want to be someplace else!


Yea, Isabel '03, followed by the mistake of moving to Orlando early '04, sticking around in '05 to boot.

I haven't been in a serious tropical cyclone since 2005 though. Hoping it stays that way.
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Quoting aquak9:
I know it's off-topic but I had to chime in.

Potatoes easy. Went to a local garden shop today. The lady told us about growing potatoes in tires. Well, I hate old tires, I'd never keep'm around. But if ya got a few, it sounded like a good idea.

Plant a potato baby. (you can even use one from the cupboard) Put a tire around it. When the potato grows above the tire, fill the tire with leaves or straw or compost. Add another tire on top. Keep repeating.

A few month later, knock the whole mess over. Loads of potatoes.


Won't they be a little rubbery to chew though? ;)
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Quoting aquak9:
I know it's off-topic but I had to chime in.

Potatoes easy. Went to a local garden shop today. The lady told us about growing potatoes in tires. Well, I hate old tires, I'd never keep'm around. But if ya got a few, it sounded like a good idea.

Plant a potato baby. (you can even use one from the cupboard) Put a tire around it. When the potato grows above the tire, fill the tire with leaves or straw or compost. Add another tire on top. Keep repeating.

A few month later, knock the whole mess over. Loads of potatoes.


That put a really cool image in my mind :)
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I know it's off-topic but I had to chime in.

Potatoes easy. Went to a local garden shop today. The lady told us about growing potatoes in tires. Well, I hate old tires, I'd never keep'm around. But if ya got a few, it sounded like a good idea.

Plant a potato baby. (you can even use one from the cupboard) Put a tire around it. When the potato grows above the tire, fill the tire with leaves or straw or compost. Add another tire on top. Keep repeating.

A few month later, knock the whole mess over. Loads of potatoes.
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Quoting CybrTeddy:
2/3 of the most active hurricane seasons ever ('95 and '05) are analog years? Lovely.


Just want to make sure where you are teddy - you seem to be a magnet - I want to be someplace else!
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2/3 of the most active hurricane seasons ever ('95 and '05) are analog years? Lovely.
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The complete hurricane season analog package this year is comprised of the following years:

1958

1964

1966

1970

1978

1995

1998

2005

2007

The average number of named storms for these years was 15 (13 if you throw out 2005). 85 of the 131 total named storms during these years either formed or tracked west of 70W. 35 of these made landfall on the U.S., which is an average of 4 a year, but nearly all of the 85 made landfall or strongly impacted at least one country.

Lots more information on these analogs can be found in my blog.
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From Wattsupwiththat.com There’s no business like snow business


Feb 23 2010

Headlines yesterday mentioned yet another new snowfall record: Moscow Covered by More Than Half Meter of Snow, Most Since 1966

Feb. 21 (Bloomberg) — Moscow’s streets were covered by 53 centimeters (20.9 inches) of snow this morning after 15 centimeters fell in 24 hours, putting Russia’s capital on course for its snowiest February since at least 1966.

Workers cleared a record 392,000 cubic meters (13.8 million cubic feet) of snow over the 24-hour period that ended this morning as precipitation exceeded the average February amount by 50 percent, according to state television station Rossiya 24. The city had 64 centimeters of snow cover on Feb. 23, 1966, the previous record, Rossiya 24 said.

In a story from Russia’s news agency, TASS, they mention that:

This year’s February is quite unique from the meteorological point of view. Not a single thaw has been registered so far and the temperature remains way below the average throughout the month.

I guess the Mayor of Moscow’s “Canute like” promise back in October didn’t work out so well. From Time magazine:

Moscow Mayor Promises a Winter Without Snow

Pigs still can’t fly, but this winter, the mayor of Moscow promises to keep it from snowing. For just a few million dollars, the mayor’s office will hire the Russian Air Force to spray a fine chemical mist over the clouds before they reach the capital, forcing them to dump their snow outside the city. Authorities say this will be a boon for Moscow, which is typically covered with a blanket of snow from November to March. Road crews won’t need to constantly clear the streets, and traffic — and quality of life — will undoubtedly improve.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1930822,00.html#ixzz0gLCDh32U
So this winter’s heavy snow and cold in the NH is not just a US problem. It is interesting though to note that snow spin seems to span continents.Before they were saying that increased winter snow is due to global warming, climate scientists were saying that decreased winter snow was due to global warming. As discussed already on WUWT, climate models predict declining winter snow cover. And a senior climate scientist predicted ten years ago :

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.

There is no shortage of similar claims:

Decline in Snowpack Is Blamed On Warming Using data collected over the past 50 years, the scientists confirmed that the mountains are getting more rain and less snow http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/31/AR2008013101868.html

Many Ski Resorts Heading Downhill as a Result of Global Warming http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multilingual/Default.asp?DocumentID=363&ArticleID=4313&l=en

The prediction below was particularly entertaining, given that it was made during Aspen’s all time snowiest winter.

Tuesday, December 16, 2008

DENVER — A study of two Rocky Mountain ski resorts says climate change will mean shorter seasons and less snow on lower slopes…. The study by two Colorado researchers says Aspen Mountain in Colorado and Park City in Utah will see dramatic changes even with a reduction in carbon emissions, which fuel climate change …. . Skiing at Aspen, with an average temperature 8.6 degrees higher than now, will be marginal. http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/131044

Global Warming Poses Threat to Ski Resorts in the Alps Climatologists say the warming trend will become dramatic by 2020
Global Warming Poses Threat to Ski Resorts in the Alps – New York Times

Himalayan snow melting in winter too, say scientists Himalayan snow melting in winter too, say scientists – SciDev.Net

Global warming ‘past the point of no return’ Friday, 16 September 2005 Global warming ‘past the point of no return’ – Science, News – The Independent

So what are they saying now?

Global Warming could equal massive snow storms Great Lakes and Global Warming could equal massive snow storms

Snow is consistent with global warming, say scientists Britain may be in the grip of the coldest winter for 30 years and grappling with up to a foot of snow in some places but the extreme weather is entirely consistent with global warming, claim scientists. Snow is consistent with global warming, say scientists – Telegraph

Climate Scientist: Record-Setting Mid-Atlantic Snowfall Linked to Global Warming

The Blizzard of 1996 does indeed qualify as one type of extreme weather to be expected in a warmer climate Blame Global Warming for the Blizzard – NYTimes.com

The great thing about global warming is that you can blame anything on it, and then deny it later.
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Strongest gusts during Xynthia in Germany. Death toll in our country so far: five people.
Good night, Barbara.
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904. Skyepony (Mod)
gfs on the FL low on track for Tuesday..

The comment ..I have so many leaves if I composted them in a few years my yard would be covered in compost.. That's like saying in a few years my yard would be covered in good top soil.

Ike~ You don't need a mulcher (I don't even have a gas mower), mother nature will compost your leaves in no time. It feeds the lawn. If they are really deep make a few inconspicuous piles (add potatoes cut up & water for free food), remains can be feed back to the lawn or gardens in a few months after that compost.

I'm not saying I don't burn a large limb that fell for a party or making dinner once in a while or never to have torched a few froze, dead, non-natives that the previous owner had planted. Just look out for the Big AG lawn scam. Burning leaves is like burning money..
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Quoting StormW:


With the exception of the warm eddy, yes. However, the warm eddy is at 24C at the moment...I don't think it will take too much for the GOMEX to warm. Even so, the main problem, if conditions stay the same, is the MDR and the anomalies off the coast of Africa.


The WHWP will likely develop earlier this year, though probably in the Caribbean earlier than the Gulf, and maybe as early as April.

Recent studies have shown that the Atlantic portion of the WHWP (AWP) is significantly correlated with Atlantic hurricane activity. A large (or small) AWP reduces (or increases) the tropospheric vertical wind shear in the main development region for Atlantic hurricanes and increases (or decreases) the moist static instability of the troposphere, both of which favor (or don't favor) the intensification of tropical storms into major hurricanes.

Quoting altesticstorm10:
I think it's the snow caused by El Nino that chilled down the Gulf for the meantime.

Anyone have a map like that from Feb or march of 2005? If I recall correctly the MDR and E.Atl were also unusually warm that year. Also, virtually the entire Caribbean is warm enough to sustain a hurricane this year. Last year, the MDR had a major SST problem, and the E. Atl SST's were cold at the 10ºN isotherem.


Here's the Atlantic SST map for late Feb 2005:



Quoting JRRP:
analog years
1998

1995

1966

1958


muchos ciclones tropicales logran alcanzar los 55w o 60w sin llegar los 20n

Many tropical cyclones manage to reach 55w or 60w without coming 20n


All of those years had at least one hurricane hitting Haiti and/or the Gulf Coast between NOLA and Mobile. Gulp.

Quoting xcool:
gomx start too heat uppp


The Loop Current usually heats it up at first before the Caribbean pulse rushes north, and it looks like the Loop Current is stronger than last year in addition to the pulse likely arriving earlier and stronger.

Quoting P451:
That's an awful lot warmer in the MDR.



Thought a looping GIF would aide in viewing.


Like I said several times, the North Atlantic Gyre has stalled. This contributed to the flooding in Madeira. The 20C SSTs are virtually flat, and we could therefore get some strange tracks for storms this year like the one I hypothesized earlier.
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Hello everyone, WHAT A WEEKEND! First the NE Snowicane, then the 8.8 Mw quake off Chile, a 131' tsunami wave on a nearby Chilean island, 60 or more major aftershocks, and Europe got creamed by Winter Storm Xynthia!!
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Quoting IKE:
IKE reporting in for a post before I head to Wal-Mart.

I just finished burning leaves and branches for 3 1/2 hours...contributing to Global Warming. WOOHOO!


You're ALLOWED to do that in your municipality? GEEZ.

Quoting Chicklit:
Isn't the point that it is irresponsible for a mass distributed source of information that calls itself "accuweather" to invent a new meteorological term to describe an event?

Since they appear to want to use as many words as possible to describe an event, this intent would be better served by explaining what a snow storm and hurricane, if blended to together, would do, and explain the differences.

Explaining what something is not and sticking to the facts also makes better entertainment if that is what they're going for.

Congratulations to the Hawaiian Islands for a successful tsunami drill yesterday. Nobody got hurt. Now everyone knows what to do.

I was disappointed by the technical aspects, however; and wonder why no one can accurately predict the magnitude, given accurate variables. Maybe the right stuff to measure that isn't out there yet.

Anyway, this blog had real information.
I wonder still about Astro's comment of 5 waves merging. Was there a backwash of sorts that broke down what was headed east?


That was in Hilo, and I watched for a few seconds and it looked like a few tsunami "waves" (probably just segments of one wave) partly moved together into one line.
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Canada wins the gold! Woohoo!
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Quoting IKE:


I hope their okay. Maybe it's just the communication lines that are down?

Surprising that I haven't seen the outpouring for donations for Chile like I saw for Haiti.

Kind of swept under the rug compared to Haiti.



Canada is standing by and ready to provide "any necessary assistance" to Chile after the country was rocked by a powerful earthquake Saturday morning.


Prime Minister Stephen Harper released a statement to the media offering support and sympathies to the people of Chile.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with the people of Chile as they respond to this emerging natural disaster," he said.

"Canadian officials in Santiago and Ottawa are currently assessing the situation to clarify the extent of the damage as well as to determine the potential impact on Canadians who are currently in Chile."

Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon said at a news conference Saturday afternoon that Canada is ready to send Chile stockpiles of supplies to help the country recover from the 8.8-magnitude tremor.

But Cannon ruled out sending Canada's military disaster assistance response team, better known by the acronym DART.

Chilean officials have declared a state of catastrophe, but as of Saturday afternoon had not made any formal requests for international assistance.

"First we need a request from the Chilean government and at this moment we don't have that. Normally if this demand was made, we could bring assistance in collaboration with (relief) organizations in South America," Cannon said in French.

At least 214 people have been confirmed dead following the quake. However, one government official said the unofficial death toll may have topped 300 and was expected to rise further.

Status of Canadians

There were 1,100 registered Canadians in Chile when the earthquake struck. Sixty registered Canadians are in the city of Concepcion, which is about 115 kilometres away from quake's epicentre.

Cannon said there is no word on any Canadian casualties. Government officials are trying to contact Canadians there, but the earthquake has made it hard to communicate, he said.

"Communications are extremely sporadic. Wireless communications are sketchy, hard communications lines down as well," Cannon said. "Once we have communication and things are stabilized, then once we can go out and retrieve as much information as possible."

Family and friends of Canadians in Chile who are seeking information on their loved ones can call Ottawa's emergency operations centre at 1-800-387-3124 or 613-943-1055.
Canadians in Chile needing emergency consular assistance can try to contact the embassy in Santiago at (56) 2-652-3800.
They can also call DFAIT's Emergency Operations Centre collect at 613-996-8885 or send an email to sos@international.gc.ca.
There are an estimated 40,000 people of Chilean descent living in Canada. Many Chilean organizations have been busy trying to relay information to Canadians with family or friends in the disaster-struck Andean nation.

"We have many, many people calling, calling, calling," said Ledda Urbani, vice-president of the Quebec Chilean Association, in Montreal. "But there's no communication by telephone."

"Nobody is sleeping since this happened," she added. "Some don't have electricity. It's terrible."

With telephone lines down, social networking sites became one way family and friends learned about the condition of their loved ones.

"I can't believe Facebook has been so useful," said 27-year-old Torontonian Vince Rozas. "All of my cousins have been on Facebook. That's how we've gotten our news."

Charities preparing

Meanwhile, Canadian relief organizations were making plans to help Chileans.

Global medic, a Toronto-based charity, said it is deploying an advanced team from Haiti, where volunteers were helping that nation recover from last month's devastating earthquake.

"The team will focus on restoring access to clean drinking through the provision of water purification units, and the distribution of water purification tablets," Matt Capobianco said in a news release Saturday afternoon.

He said a medical team is also on standby.

Canadian Red Cross senior manager Jean-Pierre Taschereau said Chile is much better equipped to deal with the disaster than is Haiti, which suffered a devastating quake in January.

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BBC-Report:

Rain triggers deadly floods in Haiti

At least eight people have been killed in floods triggered by heavy rain in Haiti, officials have said.

The deaths occurred in or near the southeastern port city of Les Cayes which was swamped by more than 1.5m (5ft) of water.

Officials said buildings affected included a hospital and a prison where more than 400 inmates were evacuated.

About a million Haitians are still homeless following January's earthquake which killed up to 230,000 people.

The floods have come several weeks ahead of Haiti's traditional rainy season.

"The situation is grave... whole areas are completely flooded. People have climbed on to the roofs of their homes," local senator Francky Exius told AFP news agency.


Witnesses said some homes had collapsed and people were fleeing for safer areas.

At least two people are reported missing in the floods. One report puts the death toll at 11.

Staff at the flooded hospital in Les Cayes moved patients to the safety of higher floors, reports say, while UN peacekeepers helped police to evacuate the jail.

Les Cayes lies on a peninsula 160km (100 miles) west of the capital Port-au-Prince.

It was unaffected by the earthquake, but its 70,000 population has been swollen by survivors fleeing from earthquake-hit areas.

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Quoting IKE:


I hope their okay. Maybe it's just the communication lines that are down?

Surprising that I haven't seen the outpouring for donations for Chile like I saw for Haiti.

Kind of swept under the rug compared to Haiti.

they want no help ike canada has offer help but no formal request from there goverment has been made at this time i don't think evading them to help them will work out too well so we wait till they ask
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Quoting quakeman55:

With the negative NAO still persisting, I'd expect yet another push of cold air next week just as tens of thousands of spring breakers are headed for our beaches...CPC still calling for below-normal temps on 6-10 and 8-14 day forecasts.


Yep you are correct. Here is a 10 day loop about to update and it appears it will stay cold for the next several days in the south...
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Quoting TampaSpin:
Hey Storm i was looking at when we would be neutral or leaning toward LaNina and we might be a neutral by August.....that usually does not translate until September for better conditions with reduced windshear .....we will have to see tho...


It won't take that long. This El Nino was known from the start to be a short one, since it is just a rebound spike from the PDO going cold. Take a look at the European SST model cluster...it puts us at center-neutral by June:



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Ike, I would offer this.

I have many huge Oaks, and Maples, and others, and I don't rake at all.

I do have a mulching blade (inexpensive)but don't really need it to make dirt from leaves.

I do try my best to make dirt of the fire ants too, but that does not work well for the blades. LoL

Just my take :)
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893. IKE
Quoting ElConando:
Hello all. Sadly two of my good friends (their cousins) were near the earthquake in Chile. They live in Southern Santiago in the area of Pirque. They moved back there in summer of 2008. I have not heard from them yet. My thoughts are with them.


I hope their okay. Maybe it's just the communication lines that are down?

Surprising that I haven't seen the outpouring for donations for Chile like I saw for Haiti.

Kind of swept under the rug compared to Haiti.

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Quoting ElConando:
Hello all. Sadly two of my good friends (their cousins) were near the earthquake in Chile. They live in Southern Santiago in the area of Pirque. They moved back there in summer of 2008. I have not heard from them yet. My thoughts are with them.

Hope they are okay. I have cousins that live in Chile, but thankfully we heard from them and they are fine. Keep your fingers crossed...
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Quoting IKE:
Looks like next weekend I'll have a chance to work outside again...

Saturday
Mostly sunny. Highs around 67.

Saturday Night
Partly cloudy. Lows 38 to 42.

Sunday
Partly cloudy. Highs around 68.

With the negative NAO still persisting, I'd expect yet another push of cold air next week just as tens of thousands of spring breakers are headed for our beaches...CPC still calling for below-normal temps on 6-10 and 8-14 day forecasts.
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890. IKE
Quoting quakeman55:

For some reason I always thought you were younger...guess that proves me wrong. LOL


I use to be younger.
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Hello all. Sadly two of my good friends (their cousins) were near the earthquake in Chile. They live in Southern Santiago in the area of Pirque. They moved back there in summer of 2008. I have not heard from them yet. My thoughts are with them.
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Quoting IKE:


LOL...except my 52 year-old knees are paying for it.

Yeah...beautiful day today. I love working outside.

For some reason I always thought you were younger...guess that proves me wrong. LOL
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Hey Storm i was looking at when we would be neutral or leaning toward LaNina and we might be neutral by August.....that usually does not translate until September for better conditions with reduced windshear .....we will have to see tho...
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Quoting Grothar:
YO U.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hawk!!!!!
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885. IKE
Looks like next weekend I'll have a chance to work outside again...

Saturday
Mostly sunny. Highs around 67.

Saturday Night
Partly cloudy. Lows 38 to 42.

Sunday
Partly cloudy. Highs around 68.
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yeah, well, my knees aren't that far behind. An yep, I'd pay for it too, but dang, it feels good to be outside.

except I'd probably take the leaves home, and put them in my compost bin. :)
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883. IKE
Quoting aquak9:
Ike- I wish I could help you rake. A good day, of being outdoors, sunshine...better than any day spent inside.


LOL...except my 52 year-old knees are paying for it.

Yeah...beautiful day today. I love working outside.
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Ike- I wish I could help you rake. A good day, of being outdoors, sunshine...better than any day spent inside.
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Quoting StormW:


No need to be scared...plenty of good folks here to keep you informed and prepared.


there is no other better place to be informed than here. by scared i mean for others having to endure an active hurricane season. mother nature has not been kind lately.

thanks stormw!
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879. IKE
Quoting Skyepony:
Ike~ your playing a suckers game with the leaves. It least you stopped buying bags to throw away your fertilizer but your still burning your fertilizer. Not that ashes aren't a good fertilizer (but alone won't complete feed your lawn), compost is a better & more expensive one & would end the lawn fertilizer cost. Pile & compost them or mow them & leave them.. If you leave them your lawn will eat them the 1st good rain, saving you the cost of fertilizer, not to mention your time raking, burning, fertilizing.

I live with alot of oaks~ I've watched my neighbors rake their lives away the last decade only to pay regularly for pesticides/herbicides & fertilizer to keep a grass alive that doesn't even like this soil or climate but is popular. Their lawn may look a little better a month out of the year but I have a life & an organic lawn.


If you saw where I lived you would understand. My yard slopes down to a lake. The only way to grow grass is to buy sod grass. I simply don't have the money.

Here's what I need to buy....

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Quoting Orcasystems:


We did do a first, two actually

1) Most gold medals ever won my a host country (when we got 11)
2) Most gold medals ever won by a country (14)



My heartfelt congratulations to our neighbors to the north.
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876. IKE
Quoting misanthrope:

No need to apologize to me, I live far, far away. Luckily, where I live, it's illegal to either dump yard waste into landfills or to burn it. Composting is the only way to go - you may want to check into it. And before someone throws a hissy fit, yes I know that composting will still result in the release of CO2 but it sure cuts down on the release of particulates and carcinogens.

I am curious, any children in your neighborhood? The incidence of childhood asthma has been rising and environmental pollutants - especially airporne particulates - are a significant contributor. Just something to think about.

--- I should add that I just leave the leaves in place then run my mulching mower over them before the first snow falls. Come spring, you can't even tell they were ever there.


I live out in the country.

Yes...there is a young child that lives across the street and just up the road from me.

I can't afford a mulching mower.
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What's the weather across the U.S. looking like this week? Stormy, again?
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Quoting atmoaggie:
Okaaay.

When you live in semi-rural to rural areas, burning is simply the most efficient and least costly way to be rid of dead biomass. And is the best for the environment, outside of composting. And at some scale composting isn't realistic. And the nearest neighbor might be a football field away...or much further. Further, many couldn't care less about using fertilizers, etc. (I know I don't) The grass will grow as well as it can, let it be.

Personally, I just keep it down enough to avoid having bugs, snakes, and rodents too comfortable close to the house. Otherwise, my lot can do whatever...

Now in the world of 1/4 acres lots, yeah, burning isn't so good. Keep your regulations there, too.


"... at some scale composting isn't realistic?" At what scale is that? You like burning leaves, go for it. No need to make things up to try and justify your behavior to me. But if you think your pollution somehow stays confined to your little football field, you have a lot to learn about atmospheric physics.

I guess if you choose to live in the state with the 4th highest rate of cancer death in the country you probably have a different perspective on things. Still can't understand putting your children at risk, but that's just me, I guess.

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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
and big fish you know what happens now its going too start snowing now that the games are done

lol


It already did the other day.... now we will get a winter storm :(
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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
thats it vancover 2010 is over now looks like canada ends up 3rd in the medal standings with germany and the us in 2nd and 1st not too bad at all i say


We did do a first, two actually

1) Most gold medals ever won by a host country (when we got 11)
2) Most gold medals ever won by a country (14)

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and big fish you know what happens now its going too start snowing now that the games are done

lol
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Quoting Orcasystems:


Either team deserved it... it was a well played game. I would not have felt to bad if Canada lost it... the US played very well.
thats it vancover 2010 is over now looks like canada ends up 3rd in the medal standings with germany and the us in 2nd and 1st not too bad at all i say
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What a great Hockey game and very cleanly played on both sides. Congrats go to Canada!
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866 atmo - Thanks.

Is this better? ;)
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Quoting SNOWARMER:
BOTH TEAMS WON A VERY EXCITING GAME. IT WAS WELL PLAYED AND BALANCED.


Either team deserved it... it was a well played game. I would not have felt to bad if Canada lost it... the US played very well.
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Quoting Seastep:
US Air Quality. Color-blind, but don't see much outside the "good" range there.


Ozone requires a lot of organic compounds, many of which are in short supply without tree transpiration, a.k.a. winter. That and sunlight, another part that is reduced. Not a good metric. Particulate pollution is probably up in the NE right now. Boston is notorious for it.
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