Snowmageddon storm clobbers the Mid-Atlantic with 2 - 3 feet of snow

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 11:08 PM GMT on February 06, 2010

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It's a very white world in the Mid-Atlantic today, where the historic blizzard of 2010 has buried residents under a record-breaking two to three feet of snow. The storm, which President Obama referred to as "Snowmageddon" in a speech before the Democratic National Committee winter meeting, set the all-time record for heaviest snowfall in Delaware history, thanks to the 26.5" that fell in Wilmington (old state record: 25" in the President's Day storm of 2003). "Snowmageddon" dumped the second heaviest at Philadelphia 28.5"), second heaviest at Atlantic City (18.2"), third heaviest at Baltimore (24.8"), and the 4th heaviest at Washington D.C. (17.8"). Several locations in Maryland have seen over three feet of snow, with the northern Washington D.C. suburb of Colesville receiving 40", and the southern Baltimore suburb of Elkridge receiving 38.3". While the blizzard was not an exceptionally strong storm--the central pressure was a rather unimpressive 986 mb at the height of the blizzard, at 9am EST Saturday--it was an exceptionally wet storm. The melted equivalent precipitation for the blizzard exceeded three inches along its core snow belt. That's an phenomenal amount of moisture for a winter storm. The blizzard formed a very unstable region aloft where thunderstorms were able to build, and there were many reports of thundersnow during the height of the storm. These embedded thunderstorms were able to generate very heavy snow bursts of 2 - 3 inches per hour.

A new storm expected to affect the area Tuesday may add to the immense pile of snow on the ground, though the precipitation may partially fall as rain. With only a slow warm up in store for the mid-Atlantic over the next ten days, the snow will stick around for a while. This is a good thing, since a sudden thaw or heavy rain event could generate considerable flooding, if the three inches of precipitation locked in the snow is suddenly released.

Today's blizzard is the second major snowstorm of 16+ inches to affect the Washington D.C./Baltimore region this winter--the other being the 16.4" storm of December 19 - 20. According to the National Climatic Data Center, the expected return period in the Washington D.C./Baltimore region for snowstorms with more than 16 inches of snow is about once every 25 years. Thus, a one-two punch of two major Mid-Atlantic Nor'easters with 16+ inches of snow in one winter is something that should happen only once every 625 years. Such an event has not happened since the beginning of the historical record in 1870. The numbers are even more impressive for Philadelphia, which has had two snowstorms exceeding 23" this winter. According to the National Climatic Data Center, the return period for a 22+ inch snow storm is once every 100 years--and we've had two 100-year snow storms in Philadelphia this winter. That should happen only once every 10,000 years, in today's climate. Of course, the last ice age was just ending around 12,000 years ago, so this probability number has to be viewed with a some skepticism. Still, the two huge snowstorms this winter in the Mid-Atlantic are definitely a very rare event one should see only once every few hundred years.


Figure 1. "Snowmageddon", the Nor'easter of February 5 - 6, just off the Mid-Atlantic coast, at 12:01 pm EST Saturday 2/6/10. Image credit: NASA GOES project.

The top 10 snowstorms on record for Baltimore:

1. 28.2", Feb 15-18, 2003
2. 26.5", Jan 27-29, 1922
3. 24.8", Feb 5-6, 2010
4. 22.8", Feb 11-12, 1983
5. 22.5", Jan 7-8, 1996
6. 22.0", Mar 29-30, 1942
7. 21.4", Feb 11-14, 1899
8. 21.0", Dec 19-20, 2009
9. 20.0", Feb 18-19, 1979
10. 16.0", Mar 15-18, 1892

The top 10 snowstorms on record for Washington, D.C.:

1. 28.0", Jan 27-28, 1922
2. 20.5", Feb 11-13, 1899
3. 18.7", Feb 18-19, 1979
4. 17.8" Feb 5-6, 2010
5. 17.1", Jan 6-8, 1996
6. 16.7", Feb 15-18, 2003
7. 16.6", Feb 11-12, 1983
8. 16.4", Dec 19-20, 2009 (Snowpocalypse)
9. 14.4", Feb 15-16, 1958
10. 14.4", Feb 7, 1936

Top 9 snowstorms for Philadelphia:

1. 30.7", Jan 7-8, 1996
2. 28.5", Feb 5-6, 2010
3. 23.2", Dec 19-20, 2009
4. 21.3", Feb 11-12, 1983
5. 21.0", Dec 25-26, 1909
6. 19.4", Apr 3-4, 1915
7. 18.9", Feb 12-14, 1899
8. 16.7", Jan 22-24, 1935
9. 15.1", Feb 28-Mar 1, 1941

I'll have a new blog on Monday, when I'll discuss if record snow storms are inconsistent with a world experiencing warming. Have a great Super Bowl weekend, everyone!

Jeff Masters

cleaning up the cars (chills)
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During the past few decades, researchers have established the existence of a climate system on Earth that is characterized by complex integration and feedback. The sun and all the parts of the Earth - the oceans, the atmosphere, the land masses, the snow and ice masses, all life, and the inner earth - are parts of this system. Changes in any one part of the system affect all the others and ultimately result in climate change. Climate change is actually a continuous process, but in the past the changes have ranged from the slow and gradual to the surprisingly fast and dramatic. This much we have learned about the climate system; but beyond this we are less knowledgeable.
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:


This is true, as an increase in the averages implies an increase in the extremes in one direction, and now it is in both directions as the extremes are increasing faster than the averages because our normal climatic state is being disrupted. Please don't assume that all of the skeptics here are working for fossil fuel industries, as more attacks only create more arguments. Link However, the skeptics have been ignoring all the drastic changes in climate that have contributed to millions of deaths already.



It is important to put everything together, and this is what I've planned to do in my second blog entry for a while now, but haven't found the time. Indeed global warming could have drastic effects starting this decade. Ignoring GW due to it supposedly not having any effects within one's lifetime is called Not in My Lifetime Syndrome (NIMLS), and shows that one is apathetic about the next generation.



Greenhouse gases are not correlated with individual aging! Argh.
Yes, and i know that many people actualy realy are confused from the sceptic propaganda. That's why i wrote about the Pentagon and when they start to act, after they acknowledged climate change as a threat.
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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Aussie, this is what i posted today btw. Now this is facts - the biggest climate change study from canada.


Arctic ice melting faster than feared
The head of the largest climate change study ever undertaken in Canada says the Arctic sea ice is thinning faster than expected.
"It's happening much faster than our most pessimistic projections," said University of Manitoba Prof. David Barber, the lead investigator of the Circumpolar Flaw Lead study. A flaw lead is the term for open water between pack ice and coastal ice.

The study aboard the Canadian Coast Guard research ship Amundsen began in July 2007 and involved 370 scientists from around the world.

It was the first time a research vessel had ever remained mobile in open water in the Far North.

Barber called the expedition climate scientists' "first opportunity to look at what the Arctic Ocean looks like in the middle of winter."

They found that Arctic sea ice is disappearing faster than scientists expected.

"We're seeing it happen more quickly than our model thought [it] would happen," said Barber.
Warning for the south

"It's an early indicator of what we can expect to happen further south," Barber said at a news conference in Winnipeg. "We can expect things to happen faster here, too."

Barber said the human impact on climate is being superimposed on the natural variation in climate and temperature.

The result is more variability in the climate: warm spells are getting warmer and the cold spells are getting colder.

The researchers also found that storms have become more frequent in the North as the sea ice thins.

"There are more storms now because there's more open oceans and those storms are having a dramatic impact on the sea ice," said Barber.

The storms drop precipitation, mostly snow, on the sea ice and the snow insulates the ice, keeping it from growing thicker.

Barber said much of the research undertaken on the Amundsen involved measuring the effects of changing climate on the Arctic.

"We know we're losing sea ice. What you're not aware of is … what the consequences of this change are," said Barber.
'Sea ice breathes'

Barber compared the impact of losing sea ice in the Arctic to the loss of trees in a tropical rain forest.

The Arctic sea ice isn't just a cap on top of the ocean, Barber said. "The sea ice breathes," he said. "It pumps carbon dioxide in and out."

The researchers also found pollutants in the sea ice.

"The Arctic is not as pristine as you would like to think it is. It's actually a dumping ground for a lot of contaminants," he said.

The Circumpolar Flaw Lead study was not only the largest climate study ever undertaken in Canada, Barber said, but the biggest study conducted during the International Polar Year.

The Canadian government provided $156 million in funding for the research during the International Polar Year from 2007-09.

The expedition involved 10 science teams, studying every aspect of the Arctic environment, from microbes to mammals to weather systems.

Barber anticipated that each one of those teams would have at least 10 papers published in peer-reviewed journals.

Barber also emphasized the role that traditional aboriginal knowledge played in the research, especially in mapping the edges of sea ice.

Barber said it's now up to governments to find solutions for climate change.

"[Scientists] don't just write for each other. We have to write for the policy-makers," said Barber.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/02/05/tech-climate-arctic-ice.html?ref=rss

How many more times do I have to say, its a CYCLE, at the moment we are in the warming part of the Cycle, 75,000 years ago the earth was in the cooling part of the cycle. It has been shown with ice-core research.
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Quoting AussieStorm:


No one or no houses are in danger. just welcomed rainfall.

Good. Some places really would have a problem with that much rainfall...

The mudslides in California come immediately to mind.
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Someone is starting to remind of tunnel-boy...
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Penn State inquiry finds no evidence for allegations against Michael Mann
"Hockey Stick" scientist vindicated once again


http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/04/penn-state-michael-mann-hockey-stick-science/
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Quoting atmoaggie:

Good news! Hope no one loses a home over it, though. Is it threatening to do so?


No one or no houses are in danger. just welcomed rainfall.
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Quoting Ossqss:
Pssssst! The Shuttle and this bird go up in hours :) The SDO will teach us much..



This is a very important project. LinkLinkLink

Quoting spathy:
Post #132
Thanks Astro
That graph shows clearly the sun started the warming.
Thus releasing more co2.(not the other way around)
And at the same time volcanic activity decreased along with sulphate.
Thus reducing global dimming.
Wow look at your own graph dude!



Solar activity has been strongly correlated with temperature change for 10,000 years, but that correlation ended in the mid-1970s, and CO2 forcing took over. You are misinterpreting the graph, as volcanic activity and sulfates contributed to a decrease in global temperatures, combining to cancel out a large portion of the warming recently observed, in addition to masking it until those effects are removed or overwhelmed.
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Here Aussie, fesh NEWS

Hottest January in UAH satellite record
Human-caused global warming easily overwhelms much-hyped "cold snap"


The global-average lower tropospheric temperature anomaly soared to +0.72 deg. C in January, 2010. This is the warmest January in the 32-year satellite-based data record….

Note the global-average warmth is approaching the warmth reached during the 1997-98 El Nino, which peaked in February of 1998.

Of course, right now we’re only in a moderate El Nino. In 97-98, we had a monster El Nino. And Spencer doesn’t mention that this record is especially impressive because we’re at “the deepest solar minimum in nearly a century.”
http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/05/hottest-january-in-uah-satellite-record-roy-spencer-global-wa rming/
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:


It is difficult, and likely foolish to connect any weather event directly to global warming, but it's likely that GW will produce an increase in the severity and frequency of these events. Of course this has occured before, but it's important to look at the bigger picture and not just the individual events.



The Black Saturday fires last year were due to prolonged drought and extreme high temperatures. There is drought and hot weather again this year. Link



This is true, as an increase in the averages implies an increase in the extremes in one direction, and now it is in both directions as the extremes are increasing faster than the averages because our normal climatic state is being disrupted. Please don't assume that all of the skeptics here are working for fossil fuel industries, as more attacks only create more arguments. Link However, the skeptics have been ignoring all the drastic changes in climate that have contributed to millions of deaths already.



It is important to put everything together, and this is what I've planned to do in my second blog entry for a while now, but haven't found the time. Indeed global warming could have drastic effects starting this decade. Ignoring GW due to it supposedly not having any effects within one's lifetime is called Not in My Lifetime Syndrome (NIMLS), and shows that one is apathetic about the next generation.



Greenhouse gases are not correlated with individual aging! Argh.


The Black Saturday bush fires happened due to all the wrong forces happened at the same time. Strong NW winds, High Temps, uncleared land, poorly maintained infrastructure.
One of the main bush fires that started on that day was started from a broken power line which arced to the ground.
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Quoting AussieStorm:


Don't get me wrong, we ain't complaining about getting so much rain, cause most of it is falling in the right places where it's much needed i:e water catchment areas, farming area's ect ect.

Good news! Hope no one loses a home over it, though. Is it threatening to do so?
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Aussie, this is what i posted today btw. Now this is facts - the biggest climate change study from canada.


Arctic ice melting faster than feared
The head of the largest climate change study ever undertaken in Canada says the Arctic sea ice is thinning faster than expected.
"It's happening much faster than our most pessimistic projections," said University of Manitoba Prof. David Barber, the lead investigator of the Circumpolar Flaw Lead study. A flaw lead is the term for open water between pack ice and coastal ice.

The study aboard the Canadian Coast Guard research ship Amundsen began in July 2007 and involved 370 scientists from around the world.

It was the first time a research vessel had ever remained mobile in open water in the Far North.

Barber called the expedition climate scientists' "first opportunity to look at what the Arctic Ocean looks like in the middle of winter."

They found that Arctic sea ice is disappearing faster than scientists expected.

"We're seeing it happen more quickly than our model thought [it] would happen," said Barber.
Warning for the south

"It's an early indicator of what we can expect to happen further south," Barber said at a news conference in Winnipeg. "We can expect things to happen faster here, too."

Barber said the human impact on climate is being superimposed on the natural variation in climate and temperature.

The result is more variability in the climate: warm spells are getting warmer and the cold spells are getting colder.

The researchers also found that storms have become more frequent in the North as the sea ice thins.

"There are more storms now because there's more open oceans and those storms are having a dramatic impact on the sea ice," said Barber.

The storms drop precipitation, mostly snow, on the sea ice and the snow insulates the ice, keeping it from growing thicker.

Barber said much of the research undertaken on the Amundsen involved measuring the effects of changing climate on the Arctic.

"We know we're losing sea ice. What you're not aware of is … what the consequences of this change are," said Barber.
'Sea ice breathes'

Barber compared the impact of losing sea ice in the Arctic to the loss of trees in a tropical rain forest.

The Arctic sea ice isn't just a cap on top of the ocean, Barber said. "The sea ice breathes," he said. "It pumps carbon dioxide in and out."

The researchers also found pollutants in the sea ice.

"The Arctic is not as pristine as you would like to think it is. It's actually a dumping ground for a lot of contaminants," he said.

The Circumpolar Flaw Lead study was not only the largest climate study ever undertaken in Canada, Barber said, but the biggest study conducted during the International Polar Year.

The Canadian government provided $156 million in funding for the research during the International Polar Year from 2007-09.

The expedition involved 10 science teams, studying every aspect of the Arctic environment, from microbes to mammals to weather systems.

Barber anticipated that each one of those teams would have at least 10 papers published in peer-reviewed journals.

Barber also emphasized the role that traditional aboriginal knowledge played in the research, especially in mapping the edges of sea ice.

Barber said it's now up to governments to find solutions for climate change.

"[Scientists] don't just write for each other. We have to write for the policy-makers," said Barber.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/02/05/tech-climate-arctic-ice.html?ref=rss
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Quoting atmoaggie:

That also applies to rainfall totals over a single days or multiple, as per Aussie's 7 inches in 3 days. That would be real bad for some, a little soggy and nothing more for others.


Don't get me wrong, we ain't complaining about getting so much rain, cause most of it is falling in the right places where it's much needed i:e water catchment areas, farming area's ect ect.
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:
Greenhouse gases are not correlated with individual aging! Argh.

LOL! Surprised you responded to that one!
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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

Aussie why not start with an argument? I'm sure you will not get banned. But if you want to disagree with the overwhelming evidence of climate science, than you need climate science to disagree with. And now this might be hard for some, there is no disagree science with climate change. Get it?

Where is this overwhelming evidence? you mean the facts from sources that have come into question on there validity? the sources that filled in the blanks from sources 100's of miles away?
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Quoting AussieStorm:

I have been reading all your posts with monotonous boredom. It's fact that the planet we all live on goes through cycles, it has warming and cooling periods. To say that this snow storm is caused by GW/CC is just foolish. As shown by Dr Masters its only the 2nd most for Baltimore, the 5th highest for Washington, D.C and the 2nd highest for Philadelphia, and that is fact.


It is difficult, and likely foolish to connect any weather event directly to global warming, but it's likely that GW will produce an increase in the severity and frequency of these events. Of course this has occured before, but it's important to look at the bigger picture and not just the individual events.

Quoting AussieStorm:

What about the Black Saturday bush fires here in Australia, would he say that is another? what about the 7inch's of rain we have had in some places here in Sydney, Is that also due to GW?????


The Black Saturday fires last year were due to prolonged drought and extreme high temperatures. There is drought and hot weather again this year. Link

Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
You cannot contribute evrything to GW, but the long term trend - more disaster. Ask your insurance company or look skyrocketing money to get insurance. WHatever normaly you should not explain something liek this to someone who reads weather/climate blogs on a daily basis. Considering you read all my post.

Even if you are working in the oil/gas industrie you need to understand this. The time has come to stop with the games ... it is serious now.


This is true, as an increase in the averages implies an increase in the extremes in one direction, and now it is in both directions as the extremes are increasing faster than the averages because our normal climatic state is being disrupted. Please don't assume that all of the skeptics here are working for fossil fuel industries, as more attacks only create more arguments. Link However, the skeptics have been ignoring all the drastic changes in climate that have contributed to millions of deaths already.

Quoting bassis:
I guess my point is GW is a valid discussion but it takes up so much real estate that you have to sift though tons of the arguing to find out what's happening now and what coming up soon that might effect my immediate life. I care as much as the next person about this earth but here I like to find out about storm totals, present watches and warnings and if I should stick my head between my legs and kiss my butt good-bye because they big ones coming


It is important to put everything together, and this is what I've planned to do in my second blog entry for a while now, but haven't found the time. Indeed global warming could have drastic effects starting this decade. Ignoring GW due to it supposedly not having any effects within one's lifetime is called Not in My Lifetime Syndrome (NIMLS), and shows that one is apathetic about the next generation.

Quoting atmoaggie:

I have noticed myself getting older in the last 30 years. Maybe AWG is to blame for that, too?

Oh, and I hereby report that the -80 F dewpoint that my NWS forecast included for about now did not happen. Closer to 32 F. (Yeah, I know is was a computer bug.)


Greenhouse gases are not correlated with individual aging! Argh.
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Quoting BahaHurican:
This reminds me of Hurricane Agnes [1972] which, as a mere tropical storm, devastated the Susquehana valley and other parts of PA. In most parts of the Caribbean, the Bahamas, and even FL, Agnes would have been viewed as relatively normal summer weather.

Guess it's not just WHAT the storm is, but WHERE the storm is also.... :o)

That also applies to rainfall totals over a single days or multiple, as per Aussie's 7 inches in 3 days. That would be real bad for some, a little soggy and nothing more for others.
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:


I think you're trying to prove that climate change has happened before. It has, but human civilization wasn't there to see it. Of course the climate has been warmer than what we're getting ourselves into, but then again again there of course were also dinosaurs.



Please abstain from the attacks, but the El Nino Modoki this winter I believe is a direct result of global warming. The South Pacific Warm Anomaly Bulge now stretches to the east coast of Australia, Pine Island Bay, the Ross and Ronne Ice Shelves, and the Indian Ocean...



Doesn't El Nino and La Nina, NOA, MJO, ect ect go in Cycles. To me this is all it is, one big Cycle.

Now on ya bike mate. Don't post to me until you put your money where your mouth is.
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Quoting Alleyoops:
Interesting title to a regular snowstorm for most of us folks living north of the border. Heck this has been one year where we lack the snow we usually see. Folks who live in Buffalo can attest that this is just a regular snowstorm for them most winters. All I can say is, glad its them and not me. I have had enough of major snowstorms in my lifetime and its nice to see others get it for a change.
This reminds me of Hurricane Agnes [1972] which, as a mere tropical storm, devastated the Susquehana valley and other parts of PA. In most parts of the Caribbean, the Bahamas, and even FL, Agnes would have been viewed as relatively normal summer weather.

Guess it's not just WHAT the storm is, but WHERE the storm is also.... :o)
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Quoting spathy:
Post #132
Thanks Astro
That graph shows clearly the sun started the warming.
Thus releasing more co2.(not the other way around)
And at the same time volcanic activity decreased along with sulphate.
Thus reducing global dimming.
Wow look at your own graph dude!

It is interesting how little we know about the causes of the teens to 40s warm up. Clearly was not CO2, or any of the effects listed in that plot. And the current knowledge of the natural cycles doesn't fully explain it, either.
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151. AstroHurricane001 You don't need credentials to edit Wikipedia.

Darn it, got me again. That was my point, it had no credentials or source. I really gotta go and stop reading this stuff. Real gone this time >>>> :)

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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Hej Aussie guy if you don't like the NEWS than put me on your ignore list. Fade out the nagative NEWS and enjoy your jokes.


I for one think you should be banned from here. You deride those who disagree, whether with facts or not. You attempt to belittle those who use data to disprove what you think. You seem to think this blog is now all about you. If someone posts something you don't want to hear, you resort to arrogance and your huge ego to prove how much more you think you know than anyone else on this blog. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.
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Evening everybody.

Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
this is surpose to be in the grtlakes but yet we are still snowless in toronto just cold
I think this is prolly the best argument for what's happening globally to be termed a "climate shift" rather than "warming". The problem for humanity is not directly the warming, but the shifts in established climate patterns that will create problems in the long term. If all the snow that is supposed to fall in the Great Lakes area falls 600 miles south, and especially if there is no replacement for that moisture in time for planting season, wouldn't that have an impact on food production et al over time?

These are the questions we need to be concentrating on: not whether there is a shift taking place (I think most pple would agree that climate shift is a part of life on earth) or whether people caused it, but WHAT shifts are taking place? how will those changes impact human life, society, and civilization? what, if anything, can be done to minimize negative impacts on people worldwide?
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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
The dishwasher is back...

Yeah, had to do it myself. The wife was not happy when the last time I tried the self-unloading dishwasher thing went badly. Dishes everywhere...

(In case you cannot tell, the self-unloading dishwasher bit was a joke, I felt the need to be clear about this.)
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Pssssst! The Shuttle and this bird go up in hours :) The SDO will teach us much..

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Quoting atmoaggie:

I have noticed myself getting older in the last 30 years.
The dishwasher is back... so how went your last dishwasher experiment?
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Quoting Seastep:


Just a note... those things have happened throughout history.

Take a step back and look.


Yes, but if they happen all at once then it's El Nino. Throw in some big storms that enhance the SST anomalies and you've got a self-reinforcing global warming-enhanced Modoki El Nino.

Quoting Ossqss:


Can we get something besides a graph uploaded on Wiki with no credetials?

And the question was, what % is man adding to the temperature change? Are you saying we are 100% of the rise?

Oh crud, I got sucked in again... OK, I am out, have fun all :)


Just check the references here: Link
You don't need credentials to edit Wikipedia.

Quoting Seastep:


Wow! Then the temps should be through the roof, no?


Not really, because the climate system takes a while to respond to the increased greenhouse gases, but the momentum remains. So even if we stopped emitting CO2 now, global warming would still continue for several decades. However, the effects that hindered temperature rise for the past decade are about to let up.
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Quoting AussieStorm:

News, this ain't news what you post here. Its inflammatory, one sided, scaremongering crud. I so much wanted to say something else but I am a paid member of this blog, and I don't feel like getting banned over someone like you and the garbage you sprout here, It's just not worth it. BTW are you a paid member of this blog????

Aussie why not start with an argument? I'm sure you will not get banned. But if you want to disagree with the overwhelming evidence of climate science, than you need climate science to disagree with. And now this might be hard for some, there is no disagree science with climate change. Get it?
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Quoting AussieStorm:

What about the Black Saturday bush fires here in Australia, would he say that is another? what about the 7inch's of rain we have had in some places here in Sydney, Is that also due to GW?????

I have noticed myself getting older in the last 30 years. Maybe AWG is to blame for that, too?

Oh, and I hereby report that the -80 F dewpoint that my NWS forecast included for about now did not happen. Closer to 32 F. (Yeah, I know is was a computer bug.)
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I guess my point is GW is a valid discussion but it takes up so much real estate that you have to sift though tons of the arguing to find out what's happening now and what coming up soon that might effect my immediate life. I care as much as the next person about this earth but here I like to find out about storm totals, present watches and warnings and if I should stick my head between my legs and kiss my butt good-bye because they big ones coming
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Quoting AussieStorm:

What about the Black Saturday bush fires here in Australia, would he say that is another? what about the 7inch's of rain we have had in some places here in Sydney, Is that also due to GW?????
You cannot contribute evrything to GW, but the long term trend - more disaster. Ask your insurance company or look skyrocketing money to get insurance. WHatever normaly you should not explain something liek this to someone who reads weather/climate blogs on a daily basis. Considering you read all my post.

Even if you are working in the oil/gas industrie you need to understand this. The time has come to stop with the games ... it is serious now.
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Quoting Ossqss:


Exactly, and it was green and warm :)


I think you're trying to prove that climate change has happened before. It has, but human civilization wasn't there to see it. Of course the climate has been warmer than what we're getting ourselves into, but then again again there of course were also dinosaurs.

Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Can you point out your claim in my comment please? I based my post on facts. If you want i can list it here for you to enjoy.

Further EL NINO can be attributed to GW. Maybe you start to acknowledge the facts. Australia will be one of those areas which suffer hard. How much heat does it need for you to understand??


Please abstain from the attacks, but the El Nino Modoki this winter I believe is a direct result of global warming. The South Pacific Warm Anomaly Bulge now stretches to the east coast of Australia, Pine Island Bay, the Ross and Ronne Ice Shelves, and the Indian Ocean...


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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Hej Aussie guy if you don't like the NEWS than put me on your ignore list. Fade out the nagative NEWS and enjoy your jokes.

News, this ain't news what you post here. Its inflammatory, one sided, scaremongering crud. I so much wanted to say something else but I am a paid member of this blog, and I don't feel like getting banned over someone like you and the garbage you sprout here, It's just not worth it. BTW are you a paid member of this blog????
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:


The floods he mentioned, however, are correct. Here's another one that occured in January in Brazil, killing over 80 people: Link

What about the Black Saturday bush fires here in Australia, would he say that is another? what about the 7inch's of rain we have had in some places here in Sydney, Is that also due to GW?????
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Quoting AussieStorm:

I have been reading all your posts with monotonous boredom. It's fact that the planet we all live on goes through cycles, it has warming and cooling periods. To say that this snow storm is caused by GW/CC is just foolish. As shown by Dr Masters its only the 2nd most for Baltimore, the 5th highest for Washington, D.C and the 2nd highest for Philadelphia, and that is fact.
Hej Aussie guy if you don't like the NEWS than put me on your ignore list. Fade out the nagative NEWS and enjoy your jokes.
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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
You will have a hard time to prove this

This blog:
Thus, a one-two punch of two major Mid-Atlantic Nor'easters with 16+ inches of snow in one winter is something that should happen only once every 625 years. Such an event has not happened since the beginning of the historical record in 1870. The numbers are even more impressive for Philadelphia, which has had two snowstorms exceeding 23" this winter.

Or let alone blizzards, checkout the uptake in earthquake activity or floods, or droughts ...of course if you go back 50 million years - a climate we try currently to establish ...


That proving works both ways.
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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Can you point out your claim in my comment please? I based my post on facts. If you want i can list it here for you to enjoy.

I have been reading all your posts with monotonous boredom. It's fact that the planet we all live on goes through cycles, it has warming and cooling periods. To say that this snow storm is caused by GW/CC is just foolish. As shown by Dr Masters its only the 2nd most for Baltimore, the 5th highest for Washington, D.C and the 2nd highest for Philadelphia, and that is fact.
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This is crazy! I was unaware of this happening this far south of us! (Im in Maine) We don't have a lot of snow here right now it's just bone cold.
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Sigh. What is with the 3% contribution MYTH? No, people have put more CO2 into the atmosphere in 200 years than the Holocene climate has added in 19,800 years after the peak of the last ice age.



Wow! Then the temps should be through the roof, no?
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Sigh. What is with the 3% contribution MYTH? No, people have put more CO2 into the atmosphere in 200 years than the Holocene climate has added in 19,800 years after the peak of the last ice age.



Can we get something besides a graph uploaded on Wiki with no credetials?

And the question was, what % is man adding to the temperature change? Are you saying we are 100% of the rise?

Oh crud, I got sucked in again... OK, I am out, have fun all :)
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Quoting Seastep:


Just a note... those things have happened throughout history.

Take a step back and look.
You will have a hard time to prove this

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Thus, a one-two punch of two major Mid-Atlantic Nor'easters with 16+ inches of snow in one winter is something that should happen only once every 625 years. Such an event has not happened since the beginning of the historical record in 1870. The numbers are even more impressive for Philadelphia, which has had two snowstorms exceeding 23" this winter.

Or let alone blizzards, checkout the uptake in earthquake activity or floods, or droughts ...of course if you go back 50 million years - a climate we try currently to establish ...
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Quoting TampaTom:
Wow, my Sister in law lives in Elkridge... she said about all you could see of her son was the top of his head when he was walking around in the snow today...

Amazing... 38"+ there...


And only 3" here in S. Ontario...
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Quoting AussieStorm:

When will you stop your madness and stop scaremongering. It's all part of a cycle. and have you heard of El Nino???


The floods he mentioned, however, are correct. Here's another one that occured in January in Brazil, killing over 80 people: Link
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Computer models are an oversimplicification that only predicts the averages and not the extremes, and while water vapor is a stronger greenhouse gas than CO2, CO2 is the one we have direct control over and many more tipping points in the climate system will likely be passed as the general trend in global temperatures is still upward.


Global trend has been upward since the last ice age. And, really, since, well, forever.
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Quoting bassis:
I wish the Kind Dr. would start a Climate change blog and leave this one to non climate change discussion


I could not agree with you more. I second that.

My appologies to the blog. Once again I was sucked into a discussion I did not want to have. I enjoy learning of weather. That is why I came to this blog. Now, I am part of the problem.

/There used to be great fun and learning on this blog all the time. Sharing like no other site on the web. Now, it seems every blog gets stifled by the GW discussion.

I simply cannot stand by and watch the continuous pumping of one sided propaganda that many take for granted as fact.

That is just me .........
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Quoting Ossqss:
114. AstroHurricane001

It is the A in front that is the problem. GW has been happening since the 1800's. What proportion of the warming do you attribute to man? 3%,,,, at best? Any scientists here that can tell us ??????


Sigh. What is with the 3% contribution MYTH? No, people have put more CO2 into the atmosphere in 200 years than the Holocene climate has added in 19,800 years after the peak of the last ice age.

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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

It will only get worse ... 2 major blizzards, floods in peru, mexico, cali, saudi arabai, israel ... etc etc etc ...

Pentagon said climate change is a threat now ... WHEN THE HELL DO THEY START TO ACT and stop this madness?


Just a note... those things have happened throughout history.

Take a step back and look.
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:


In 1995, the IPCC 2AR was sabotaged by oil lobbyists from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait who insisted on weaker language. The skeptics and anti-AGW science lobbyists and hackers did it again in Copenhagen. Sacrificing the future of humanity, because it's cold outside?!


I have the AR2 validation graphs, too, if you'd like.
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Quoting bassis:
I wish the Kind Dr. would start a Climate change blog and leave this one to non climate change discussion
Maybe just bann the corporate denialist?
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