Strongest winter storm in at least 140 years whallops Southwest U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:18 PM GMT on January 22, 2010

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The most powerful low pressure system in 140 years of record keeping swept through the Southwest U.S. yesterday, bringing deadly flooding, tornadoes, hail, hurricane force winds, and blizzard conditions. We expect to get powerful winter storms affecting the Southwest U.S. during strong El Niño events, but yesterday's storm was truly epic in its size and intensity. The storm set all-time low pressure records over roughly 10 - 15% of the U.S.--over southern Oregon, and most of California, Nevada, Arizona, and Utah. Old records were broken by a wide margin in many locations, most notably in Los Angeles, where the old record of 29.25" set January 17, 1988, was shattered by .18" (6 mb). Bakersfield broke its record by .30" (10 mb). The record-setting low spawned an extremely intense cold front that rumbled thought the Southwest, and winds ahead of the cold front reached sustained speeds of hurricane force--74 mph--last night at Apache Junction, 40 miles east of Phoenix. Wind gusts as high as 94 mph were recorded in Ajo, Arizona, and a Personal Weather Station in Summerhaven (on top of Mt. Lemmon next to Tucson) recorded sustained winds of 67 mph, gusting to 86 mph, before the power failed. Prescott recorded sustained winds at 52 mph, gusting to 67 as the cold front passed, and high winds plunged visibility to zero in blowing dust on I-10 connecting Phoenix and Tucson. The storm spawned one possible tornado in Arizona, which touched down at 8:32 pm MST in Phoenix near Desert Ridge Mall. No damage or injuries were reported. If verified, it would be only the 7th January tornado in Arizona since record keeping began in 1950.


Figure 1. Radar reflectivity from the Phoenix Doppler radar at the time of the Phoenix tornado. The tornado touched down under the circle with a "+" inside it. The Doppler velocity image did not show any rotation to the clouds in the vicinity.

Some of the all-time low pressure records set in yesterday's storm:
Los Angeles, CA: 29.07", Old Record: 29.25", January 17, 1988
Eureka, CA: 28.90", Old Record: 28.91", February 1891
San Diego, CA: 29.15", Old Record, 29.37", March 3, 1983
Fresno, CA: 28.94", Old Record, 29.10", January 27, 1916
Bakersfield, CA: 28.94", Old Record, 29.24", February 3, 1998

Salt Lake City, UT: 28.94", Old Record, 29.00" April 2002

Reno, NV: 28.94", Old Record, 29.00", January 27, 1916
Las Vegas, NV: 29.03" Old Record: 29.17", December 1949

Phoenix, AZ: 29.22", Old Record: 29.32", May 18, 1902
Flagstaff, AZ: 29.13", Old Record: 29.15", February 7, 1937
Yuma, AZ: 29.15", Old Record: 29.37", September 12, 1927

Three tornadoes in California
Three tornadoes were reported in California yesterday. A small EF0 twister hit the east side of Ventura, leaving a 1.5 mile damage path. Another tornado hit Santa Barbara, downing trees and power poles. The most damaging California tornado yesterday touched down just west of Blythe, on the Arizona-California border, at 4:31 pm MST. The twister crossed I-10, blowing three semi trucks over, ripping the roofs off houses, and downing power lines. I-10 was closed for several hours to clear the debris and toppled trucks.

Two tornadoes also hit Southern California on Tuesday. A sheriff's deputy spotted a possible tornado in Goleta that caused some roof damage, and another tornado hit Huntington Beach, damaging boats and buildings and flipping cars.

If all five tornadoes are confirmed as genuine by the National Weather Service, it will tie the record of most January California tornadoes. The all-time record for most California tornadoes in a single day is seven, set on April 1, 1996, and November 9, 1982.


Figure 2. Radar reflectivity from the Los Angeles Doppler radar at the time of the Santa Barbara tornado.

Figure 3. Storm-relative radial velocity from the Los Angeles Doppler radar at the time of the Santa Barbara tornado. The area of yellow and orange colors, lying right next to a region of blues and greens just west of Santa Barbara shows that the winds in that region were moving towards and away from the radar in a very tight area, signifying the presence of a rotating thunderstorm and possible tornado.

The storm will continue to bring heavy rain and snow to many portions the Southwest today, then wind down on Saturday. A new storm is expected to move ashore over Northern California on Sunday night, but this storm will not be as intense. Another storm is also possible next Friday, January 29, but it appears that a renewed battering by a long succession of storms like we had this week will not occur next week.

Selected storm total snowfalls (in inches) from 7 am Sunday January 17, through 7 am PST Friday January 22:
...ARIZONA...
FLAGSTAFF 3.2 NNW 36.5
SUNRISE MOUNTAIN 29.0
FOREST LAKES 26.0
HEBER 21.0
PINETOP/LAKESIDE 4 ESE 20.4
ALPINE 20.0
CLAY SPRINGS 20.0
CLINTS WELL 19.0
KACHINA VILLAGE 18.6
WILLIAMS 16.5
PRESCOTT 7.0

...CALIFORNIA...
CHAGOOPA PLATEAU 73.6
SODA SPRINGS 63.0
SUGAR BOWL 61.0
LWR RELIEF VALLEY 50.6
KIRKWOOD 48.0
SQUAW VALLEY 47.0
SIERRA AT TAHOE 38.0
BIG BEAR CITY 37.0

...COLORADO...
DURANGO 24.0
PAGOSA SPRINGS 9 NW 24.0
SILVERTON 24.0
WOLF CREEK PASS 1 SSE 24.0
ABAJO 19.0
TELLURIDE 15.0
COAL BANK PASS 14.5
RED MTN 12.3
CREEDE 10 SW 12.0
SOUTH FORK 4 SW 12.0
MOLAS PASS 10.0

...NEW MEXICO...
JEMEZ SPRINGS 14.0
CHAMA 12.0
FARMINGTON 7 NE 10.5
AZTEC 8.0
BLUEWATER LAKE 11 WSW 8.0
BONITO LAKE 5 SW 8.0
FARMINGTON 7 NE 8.0
LUNA 8.0
KIRTLAND 2 ESE 6.0
MOGOLLON 6 ESE 6.0
RAMAH 6.0
BLOOMFIELD 3 SW 5.5
LOS ALAMOS 5.5

...NEVADA...
YUCCA FLAT 20.0
BERRY CREEK 19.0
BIG CREEK SUMMIT 16.0
DRAW CREEK 13.0
POLE CREEK R.S. 13.0
MT. POTOSI 12.0
ELY 8.3
WARD MOUNTAIN 8.0
CHARLESTON 6.0

...UTAH...
BRIGHTON CREST 35.0
ALTA/COLLINS 33.5
DEER VALLEY DALY WEST 28.0
PARK CITY JUPITER PEAK 28.0
BIG COTTONWOOD SPRUCES 19.0
SOLITUDE 17.5
SNOWBIRD 13.5

Selected storm total precipitation (in inches) from 7 am Sunday January 17, through 7 am PST Friday January 22:
...ARIZONA...
DAVIS-MONTHAN AFB/TUCSON 10.23
BLACK CANYON CITY 10 N 6.57
CROWN KING 6.50
SURPRISE 1 ESE 5.58
SUN CITY WEST 2 NNE 4.78
COTTONWOOD 1 WSW 4.63
SCOTTSDALE 5.5 NNW 4.21
NEW RIVER 5 ESE 4.05
WITTMAN 5 SW 4.05
PAYSON 4.01
PINE 1 SW 4.00
SIERRA VISTA 3.83
LUKE AFB/PHOENIX 3.58
CASTLE HOT SPRINGS 3.55
FLAGSTAFF PULLIAM AP 3.41
CLIFTON 2.96
WINSLOW 2.84
GILBERT 4 NW 2.74
CHANDLER 4 WNW 2.72
YUMA MCAF 2.43
PRESCOTT/ERNEST A LOVE FIELD AP 2.28
PHOENIX AIRPORT 2.21
TUCSON AIRPORT 0.52

...CALIFORNIA...
LOS GATOS 4 SW 14.70
CAZADERO 13.46
LYTLE CREEK 13.39
MINING RIDGE 13.14
PETROLIA 7 SE 12.17
BARTLETT SPRINGS 11.23
LAKE ARROWHEAD 11.23
ALTADENA 1 ESE 11.14
CLOVERDALE 1 S 10.30
CRESTLINE 10.27
DEVORE 9.58
DESERT HOT SPRINGS 8.04
UKIAH MUNI ARPT 7.58
NEWHALL 7.08
SANTA ROSA/SONOMA CO ARPT 6.55
SAN LUIS OBISPO ARPT 5.37
SAN DIEGO/MONTGOMERY FIELD 4.32
SAN FRANCISCO INTL ARPT 4.30
LOS ANGELES-USC 3.89
PALM SPRINGS RGNL ARPT 3.75
SACRAMENTO METRO ARPT 3.65
SAN JOSE INTL ARPT 3.19

...NEVADA...
NORTH LAS VEGAS AIRPORT 1.50
HENDERSON AIRPORT 1.17
MERCURY/DESERT ROCK ARPT 1.06

...OREGON...
AGNESS 6.4 NE 3.90
PORT ORFORD 5.0 E 3.52
BROOKINGS 4.2 ENE 2.83
BANDON 11.4 S 2.67
ASTORIA 1.45

...WASHINGTON...
HOQUIAM/BOWERMAN AIRPORT 2.01

Tornadoes, severe weather in the South
Severe weather associated with a separate storm brought damaging winds, hail, and tornadoes to portions of Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, and Florida last night. Two tornadoes were reported, one in Tennessee, and one in Alabama, near Huntsville. The Huntsville tornado injured approximately six people, and cut power to 10,000 people. The storm responsible for the severe weather has moved out to sea, and no further severe weather is expected today. A slight chance of severe weather is expected Saturday over Arkansas and Mississippi, and there is also a severe weather threat for Georgia and surrounding states on Sunday.


Figure 4. Last night's Huntsville, Alabama tornado was captured by wunderphotographer Southampton.

Portlight's Paul Timmons to appear on NBC and CNN
Portlight.org, the disaster-relief charity that has sprung up from the hard work and dedication of many members of the wunderground.com community, has successfully shipped medical equipment and a water filtration unit capable of supplying the needs of 3,500 people per day to the Dominican Republic. The relief supplies were trucked to Haiti via road, and have made it to the earthquake zone. The supplies have been targeted to go to those with disabilities, or to those who are living in areas where the main aid efforts have been inadequate. Portlight is working through the local Catholic Church, which is probably best positioned to deliver private aid donations to those in need. Paul Timmons, leader of the Portlight relief efforts, is scheduled to appear on NBC news later today, and on CNN news tomorrow, to discuss Portlight's efforts.


Figure 5. Walkers and medical supplies for Haiti getting ready to ship from the Portlight warehouse in Atlanta.

Please visit the Portlight.org blog to learn more. Floodman's blog has the latest info on Portlight's plan for Haitian relief. The Reeve Foundation, founded by Christopher and Dana Reeve has awarded Portlight Strategies a $10,000 Quality of of Life grant to assist in the relief efforts in Haiti. This is very big and will allow Portlight to pursue more aggressive relief efforts over the course of the next few weeks.

For those of you more interested in helping out with the long-term rebuilding of Haiti's shattered infrastructure from the quake, I recommend a contribution to Lambi Fund of Haiti, a charity that is very active in promoting reforestation efforts, use of alternative fuels, and infrastructure improvements at a grass-roots level in Haiti. I've developed a great respect for the work they do in the country in the five years I've been a supporter.

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Jeff Masters

Road disappears in flood in San Luis Obispo, California (annestahl)
Cops stand by closed road.
Road disappears in flood in San Luis Obispo, California
Southern California Snow (gemd)
A Pacific storm (usually warm) came and dropped snow in Southern California in area which rarely see snow. This was not even an "insider slider" (lingo for a northern, non-Pacific cold jet stream). Snow days for schools are rampant and there are many accidents on the roadways. Our snow is not the typical fluff, but very wet and slick.
Southern California Snow
Prescott 2010 Snowstorm (kempix)
Heavy Snowstorm came in last night with almost a foot of snow in the mountains of Prescott.
Prescott 2010 Snowstorm
Bad Luck (scphotos)
the ocean in Santa Barbara takes no prisoners
Bad Luck
Blue Thunder Bolt (LianesLightroom)
Amazing bolt of lightning strikes the Pacific Ocean in Manhattan Beach, CA.
Blue Thunder Bolt
Shrouded in Clouds (ChandlerMike)
I took a drive this morning to document some of this amazing weather we're having in Arizona. My path took me over to the Superstition Mountains east of Phoenix and I beheld some sights that I don't expect to see again. (HDR)
Shrouded in Clouds

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Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Natural cycles alone are not sufficent to explain the rate of warming we've observed so far. Waiting for more certainty is waiting until there is already close to nothing we can do. Ozone changes have only contributed to less than 15% of the observed warming:


Missed the mark. Since we started measuring effectively, 1979, we have not measured the effect of more than one of the natural cycles, which act in concert. Think of the effects of each cycle as a sum of sine waves of varying period and amplitude. And vary the amplitude and period of each. We have measured the temps on the planet for about the entire period of one the medium length ones...and that is being generous.

(No, please, don't bother with a few suspect ship obs being sufficient to give us an average temp of the oceans for the last 100 years. That is absurd.)

And wiki has been polluted with a warmy editor, BTW.
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Quoting P451:


Looks like the storm is now heading due east.
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Quoting atmoaggie:

Personally, a lot more certainty needs to exist in the realm of natural forcing. We have a number of natural cyclical events that affect surface temps, yet, we have not measured more than one of each of the longer-term ones. Given the variability of nature, assuming that, for example, all PDO cycles are the same and running a model including that assumption is junk. Period.

Additionally, our feedback assumptions of more water vapor but no big increase in cloud cover in modeling future climate needs work.

Lastly, as someone that once worked in a position measuring concentrations of trace gases by IR satellite data, I can tell you that the atmospheric windows within which CO2 absorbs are, well, rather thoroughly absorbed. More CO2 cannot absorb more heat in the band in which it does absorb is already saturated.

How do I explain this?

CO2 primarily absorbs heat at 4.3 and 15 microns wavelength (and another completely blocked by water vapor). Those 2 bands, as measured from a satellite, already allow almost 0 heat escape (seen it myself, I have). So if you add more CO2, less heat will espace. 0 escapes now. Less if we don't...well, you see where this is going. I am of the opinion that this hasn't been thoroughly addressed.



Last (I promise this time): CO2 comes from what? Combustion. Where does the O2 come from in CO2? The atmosphere and the fuel. Heard anything about the O2 trend? Looks like this:



How is this going to effect radiation out to space (if at all) and more importantly, how is this going to effect the generation of tropospheric ozone (a powerful GHG)? Could eventually have an effect.


Natural cycles alone are not sufficent to explain the rate of warming we've observed so far. Waiting for more certainty is waiting until there is already close to nothing we can do. Ozone changes have only contributed to less than 15% of the observed warming:

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Invest east of Australia looking rather impressive:

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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

What needs to happen that you say that we need todo something about climate change?

Personally, a lot more certainty needs to exist in the realm of natural forcing. We have a number of natural cyclical events that affect surface temps, yet, we have not measured more than one of each of the longer-term ones. Given the variability of nature, assuming that, for example, all PDO cycles are the same and running a model including that assumption is junk. Period.

Additionally, our feedback assumptions of more water vapor but no big increase in cloud cover in modeling future climate needs work.

Lastly, as someone that once worked in a position measuring concentrations of trace gases by IR satellite data, I can tell you that the atmospheric windows within which CO2 absorbs are, well, rather thoroughly absorbed. More CO2 cannot absorb more heat in the band in which it does absorb is already saturated.

How do I explain this?

CO2 primarily absorbs heat at 4.3 and 15 microns wavelength (and another completely blocked by water vapor). Those 2 bands, as measured from a satellite, already allow almost 0 heat escape (seen it myself, I have). So if you add more CO2, less heat will escape. 0 escapes now. Less if we don't...well, you see where this is going. I am of the opinion that this hasn't been thoroughly addressed.



Last (I promise this time): CO2 comes from what (anthropogenic, anyway)? Combustion. Where does the O2 come from in CO2? The atmosphere and the fuel. Heard anything about the O2 trend? Looks like this:



How is this going to effect radiation out to space (if at all) and more importantly, how is this going to effect the generation of tropospheric ozone (a powerful GHG)? Could eventually have an effect.
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Quoting jeffs713:

El Nino looks to be solidly in Modoki El Nino territory now, just based on the look of the anomalies.


There is also a hole developing in the ENSO warm pool, and the Gulf Stream is still being diverted west of Greenland.

That Southern US storm that became a nor'easter seems to be becoming subtropical after tapping into the warmth of the Gulf Stream.
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Atlantic Hurricanes to Become Less Frequent But More Intense
NOAA-Led Study Looks at the Impact of a Warming Ocean
As Haiti recovers from last week's earthquake and its aftershocks, a group of scientists says the region may be in the path of greater disasters by the end of the coming century.

Warming ocean temperatures in the Atlantic are projected to almost double the number of the strongest hurricanes over the next 80 years, particularly in the waters off Hispaniola, Cuba and Florida, says a study in today's issue of the journal Science.

While the overall number of hurricanes will decrease, Category 4 and 5 storms — those with sustained winds of 131 miles per hour and above — will nearly double in frequency, according to the study's projections. The most intense of these will more than triple.

These findings build upon those of previous studies and use a model that provides the spatial resolution necessary to predict storms of Category 3 or higher, which earlier work had been unable to simulate, lead author Morris Bender, a climate scientist at the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, tells SolveClimate. He calls the study a follow-up on lower-resolution studies that had not been able to predict these rare but very significant storms.

The decline in the frequency of hurricanes will occur because the areas where hurricanes normally start will have conditions less favorable to hurricane formation. However, the storms that do start will find the warmer waters of a climate change-affected Atlantic more favorable to hurricanes and will easily intensify as they move onwards, Bender explains.
Full Article
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Quoting atmoaggie:
And, also, most of us are careful not to swallow the hook. (Whether it be warmy or skeptic subject matter)

What needs to happen that you say that we need todo something about climate change?
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Reading back, I've only a couple of things to say.

Most of the usual regs in here apparently know well that there is a real limit to what we can figure out about climate, one way or the other, given our tiny snapshot in time on the planet.

And, also, most of us are careful not to swallow the hook. (Whether it be warmy or skeptic subject matter)
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Afternoon all, and WOW on the CA storm!!!

Also, I'm very interested to see Press on the tube, though I hope he leaves the dress behind..... lol

We had good weather here today - low 80's, brief p.m. shower, light breezes - pretty darned good for January.
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Quoting jeffs713:

Don't do anything I would do!


LOL!! later guys
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Quoting tornadodude:
alright, its been real. and its been fun.

time to shower, eat, and enjoy college on a friday night ;)


take care everyone!

Don't do anything I would do!
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:
Warm anomalies now seeping into Pine Island Bay, Antarctica (that feature near 100W):


El Nino looks to be solidly in Modoki El Nino territory now, just based on the look of the anomalies.
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alright, its been real. and its been fun.

time to shower, eat, and enjoy college on a friday night ;)


take care everyone!
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Quoting NRAamy:
They emerge at dusk to graze on grass.

and nachos with a Mike's Hard Lemonade....
Remarkable, possitivley remarkable. I am going to forward this on to the good folks at wiki so that can be updated. The hippo has a far more diverse pallet than imagined
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Warm anomalies now seeping into Pine Island Bay, Antarctica (that feature near 100W):

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Quoting NRAamy:



Still raining hard where I am....


65 and sunny here :)

nya nya nya
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They emerge at dusk to graze on grass.

and nachos with a Mike's Hard Lemonade....
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
T-dude, Is that weather report from Wiki? :)

(Sorry, had to do it, gave TampaSpin small raft of poo about citing sources; can't show favoritism, nope -- esp. since you both have ties to Indiana.)

Dogs await. Hubby came home first. Priorities.


:P lol its from NOAA and the NWS, would I listen to the professionals or someone who calls themselves..... oh nevermind ;)
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T-dude, Is that weather report from Wiki? :)

(Sorry, had to do it, gave TampaSpin small raft of poo about citing sources; can't show favoritism, nope -- esp. since you both have ties to Indiana.)

Dogs await. Hubby came home first. Priorities.
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Quoting ElConando:


LOL. Well the U.S. would still be a country so it would remain a fact.

btw I am not a black and white person. I'm just stating the fundamentals of science. Unless i'm getting the wrong idea of what a "straight man" is.

LOL, I know you can get in touch with your "sensitive" side. Whoops, messin' with you again... have I told you how much I appreciate the people, like you, I can joke around with...and even still learn a little something (sometimes).

I believe in this case the "straight man" is the person who sets up the joke... then the other person swings away. Man is gender-neutral, in this case... don't want to say "it"... that'd be worse.
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Quoting NRAamy:



Still raining hard where I am....
That should be a good thing for a hippo!

From Wiki
The hippopotamus is semi-aquatic, inhabiting rivers and lakes where territorial bulls preside over a stretch of river and groups of 5 to 30 females and young. During the day they remain cool by staying in the water or mud; reproduction and childbirth both occur in water. They emerge at dusk to graze on grass. While hippopotamuses rest near each other in the water, grazing is a solitary activity and hippos are not territorial on land.
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Quoting NRAamy:
btw I am not a black and white person.

I got news for you, Conan...you're like the whitest guy on the planet! just check out that red hair!!!!

;)


Vroom Vroom party starter.
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btw I am not a black and white person.

I got news for you, Conan...you're like the whitest guy on the planet! just check out that red hair!!!!

;)
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My lovely forecast:

Tonight: Areas of fog. Otherwise, cloudy, with a low around 34. East southeast wind between 6 and 9 mph.

Saturday: A 20 percent chance of showers after 1pm. Areas of fog before 10am. Otherwise, cloudy, with a high near 46. Southeast wind between 9 and 15 mph, with gusts as high as 18 mph.

Saturday Night: Showers and possibly a thunderstorm. Low around 42. Breezy, with a south southeast wind between 15 and 22 mph, with gusts as high as 29 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.

Sunday: Showers and possibly a thunderstorm before 1pm, then showers likely. High near 48. Breezy, with a southwest wind between 17 and 23 mph, with gusts as high as 33 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.

Sunday Night: A chance of rain and snow showers before 1am, then a chance of snow showers. Cloudy, with a low around 29. West southwest wind between 13 and 16 mph, with gusts as high as 26 mph. Chance of precipitation is 40%.

Monday: A 30 percent chance of snow showers. Cloudy, with a high near 32.

Monday Night: A 30 percent chance of snow showers. Cloudy, with a low around 23.

Tuesday: A 30 percent chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 29.

Tuesday Night: Mostly cloudy, with a low around 15.

Wednesday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 29.

Wednesday Night: Mostly cloudy, with a low around 18.

Thursday: A 20 percent chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 28.

Thursday Night: A 20 percent chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 17.

Friday: A 20 percent chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 28.
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

Governor Perry's Tantrum: So What if Texas Secedes?

By Nancy Gibbs Wednesday, Apr. 22, 2009

Link

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1892974,00.html#ixzz0dNjjzB7u

Love ya, Conando...I do appreciate a perfect straight man! "Gracie"


LOL. Well the U.S. would still be a country so it would remain a fact.

btw I am not a black and white person. I'm just stating the fundamentals of science. Unless i'm getting the wrong idea of what a "straight man" is.
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Still raining hard where I am....
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

Governor Perry's Tantrum: So What if Texas Secedes?

By Nancy Gibbs Wednesday, Apr. 22, 2009

Link

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1892974,00.html#ixzz0dNjjzB7u

Love ya, Conando...I do appreciate a perfect straight man! "Gracie"


Oh, from Time Magazine. Although I DO use Wiki all the time, lol!
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Samuel Dalembert seeking donations for his native Haiti
Quite a story
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Quoting ElConando:




Global Warming is a theory it can never be a fact. The United States is a country, is a fact you cannot dispute that.

Governor Perry's Tantrum: So What if Texas Secedes?

By Nancy Gibbs Wednesday, Apr. 22, 2009

Link

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1892974,00.html#ixzz0dNjjzB7u

Love ya, Conando...I do appreciate a perfect straight man! "Gracie"
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Quoting ElConando:


It is difficult for people to grasp who do not know how it all works. Trust me it is, it still is and I am including myself.


me too. if anyone thinks they have it all figured out, then they are dumb. plain and simple haha
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Anyone have any more news on what is occurring in Haiti, Cali?
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Quoting jeffs713:

That doesn't stop people from trying.


It is difficult for people to grasp who do not know how it all works. Trust me it is, it still is and I am including myself.
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Quoting Floodman:


Hmmm...I was minimized...wonder who did that? Hmmm?
Poofing is simple...just go to the button labeled "Ignore" and depress it while having one of the person to be poofed'd posts highlighted...**poof** no more entries
My "ignore" button is having a really great day and can not find any way to depress it
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Quoting Floodman:


Hmmm...I was minimized...wonder who did that? Hmmm?
Poofing is simple...just go to the button labeled "Ignore" and depress it while having one of the person to be poofed'd posts highlighted...**poof** no more entries

ahh, thanks. fairly new at this. and no, you weren't minimized, but i have been expanding a certain entry by my own will. a poof would decisively help my blood pressure!
it's hardest for me to handle the poor treatment of good information by my own camp. harder than dealing with those i disagree with!
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Quoting Floodman:




I will leave the joy to you...


Am I doing something wrong? i'll stop talking about it if you all wish?

I aim to please here, well most anyway.
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Quoting NRAamy:
Hmmm...I was minimized...wonder who did that? Hmmm?

are you in some cold water? maybe it's just shrinkage...

;)


I will not dignify that comment with an answer...though I did comment on it...oh hell...
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love hangles? :P
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Hmmm...I was minimized...wonder who did that? Hmmm?

are you in some cold water? maybe it's just shrinkage...

;)
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Quoting ElConando:




Global Warming is a theory it can never be a fact. The United States is a country, is a fact you cannot dispute that.

That doesn't stop people from trying.
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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Tornadodude i will not email you, why?
If you have question want to talk about something, go ahead.


you seem to have some sort of problem with me, and if you wish to work it out, feel free to wumail. thank you
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Quoting ElConando:




Global Warming is a theory it can never be a fact. The United States is a country, is a fact you cannot dispute that.


Quoting jeffs713:

But you can't see the amusement if he is poofed!


I will leave the joy to you...
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Yeh,see what happens when you been around a long time,you start growing hangles,which usually requires surgery.

tell me about it...I need a hangle lift...time to call my plastic surgeon...luckily, I have him on speed dial...
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Don't worry only 1063 days and 12 hours until it all ends...
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Quoting abrahambenjudea:
Some people here need to learn the difference between "Theory, hypothesis & assumptions." Such as 'El nino exists.'


THANK YOU! :).
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Quoting Minnemike:

what is this poof you speak of and how do i do it? ..or should i stop expanding minimized entries :)
(isn't minne lurking now?)


Hmmm...I was minimized...wonder who did that? Hmmm?
Poofing is simple...just go to the button labeled "Ignore" and depress it while having one of the person to be poofed'd posts highlighted...**poof** no more entries
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Quoting Floodman:


Add me to that list with you, Jeff...actually,it wouldn't do any good; he can attack ME all he wants. I **poofed* him about an hour ago LOL

But you can't see the amusement if he is poofed!
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Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.

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