Strongest winter storm in at least 140 years whallops Southwest U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:18 PM GMT on January 22, 2010

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The most powerful low pressure system in 140 years of record keeping swept through the Southwest U.S. yesterday, bringing deadly flooding, tornadoes, hail, hurricane force winds, and blizzard conditions. We expect to get powerful winter storms affecting the Southwest U.S. during strong El Niño events, but yesterday's storm was truly epic in its size and intensity. The storm set all-time low pressure records over roughly 10 - 15% of the U.S.--over southern Oregon, and most of California, Nevada, Arizona, and Utah. Old records were broken by a wide margin in many locations, most notably in Los Angeles, where the old record of 29.25" set January 17, 1988, was shattered by .18" (6 mb). Bakersfield broke its record by .30" (10 mb). The record-setting low spawned an extremely intense cold front that rumbled thought the Southwest, and winds ahead of the cold front reached sustained speeds of hurricane force--74 mph--last night at Apache Junction, 40 miles east of Phoenix. Wind gusts as high as 94 mph were recorded in Ajo, Arizona, and a Personal Weather Station in Summerhaven (on top of Mt. Lemmon next to Tucson) recorded sustained winds of 67 mph, gusting to 86 mph, before the power failed. Prescott recorded sustained winds at 52 mph, gusting to 67 as the cold front passed, and high winds plunged visibility to zero in blowing dust on I-10 connecting Phoenix and Tucson. The storm spawned one possible tornado in Arizona, which touched down at 8:32 pm MST in Phoenix near Desert Ridge Mall. No damage or injuries were reported. If verified, it would be only the 7th January tornado in Arizona since record keeping began in 1950.


Figure 1. Radar reflectivity from the Phoenix Doppler radar at the time of the Phoenix tornado. The tornado touched down under the circle with a "+" inside it. The Doppler velocity image did not show any rotation to the clouds in the vicinity.

Some of the all-time low pressure records set in yesterday's storm:
Los Angeles, CA: 29.07", Old Record: 29.25", January 17, 1988
Eureka, CA: 28.90", Old Record: 28.91", February 1891
San Diego, CA: 29.15", Old Record, 29.37", March 3, 1983
Fresno, CA: 28.94", Old Record, 29.10", January 27, 1916
Bakersfield, CA: 28.94", Old Record, 29.24", February 3, 1998

Salt Lake City, UT: 28.94", Old Record, 29.00" April 2002

Reno, NV: 28.94", Old Record, 29.00", January 27, 1916
Las Vegas, NV: 29.03" Old Record: 29.17", December 1949

Phoenix, AZ: 29.22", Old Record: 29.32", May 18, 1902
Flagstaff, AZ: 29.13", Old Record: 29.15", February 7, 1937
Yuma, AZ: 29.15", Old Record: 29.37", September 12, 1927

Three tornadoes in California
Three tornadoes were reported in California yesterday. A small EF0 twister hit the east side of Ventura, leaving a 1.5 mile damage path. Another tornado hit Santa Barbara, downing trees and power poles. The most damaging California tornado yesterday touched down just west of Blythe, on the Arizona-California border, at 4:31 pm MST. The twister crossed I-10, blowing three semi trucks over, ripping the roofs off houses, and downing power lines. I-10 was closed for several hours to clear the debris and toppled trucks.

Two tornadoes also hit Southern California on Tuesday. A sheriff's deputy spotted a possible tornado in Goleta that caused some roof damage, and another tornado hit Huntington Beach, damaging boats and buildings and flipping cars.

If all five tornadoes are confirmed as genuine by the National Weather Service, it will tie the record of most January California tornadoes. The all-time record for most California tornadoes in a single day is seven, set on April 1, 1996, and November 9, 1982.


Figure 2. Radar reflectivity from the Los Angeles Doppler radar at the time of the Santa Barbara tornado.

Figure 3. Storm-relative radial velocity from the Los Angeles Doppler radar at the time of the Santa Barbara tornado. The area of yellow and orange colors, lying right next to a region of blues and greens just west of Santa Barbara shows that the winds in that region were moving towards and away from the radar in a very tight area, signifying the presence of a rotating thunderstorm and possible tornado.

The storm will continue to bring heavy rain and snow to many portions the Southwest today, then wind down on Saturday. A new storm is expected to move ashore over Northern California on Sunday night, but this storm will not be as intense. Another storm is also possible next Friday, January 29, but it appears that a renewed battering by a long succession of storms like we had this week will not occur next week.

Selected storm total snowfalls (in inches) from 7 am Sunday January 17, through 7 am PST Friday January 22:
...ARIZONA...
FLAGSTAFF 3.2 NNW 36.5
SUNRISE MOUNTAIN 29.0
FOREST LAKES 26.0
HEBER 21.0
PINETOP/LAKESIDE 4 ESE 20.4
ALPINE 20.0
CLAY SPRINGS 20.0
CLINTS WELL 19.0
KACHINA VILLAGE 18.6
WILLIAMS 16.5
PRESCOTT 7.0

...CALIFORNIA...
CHAGOOPA PLATEAU 73.6
SODA SPRINGS 63.0
SUGAR BOWL 61.0
LWR RELIEF VALLEY 50.6
KIRKWOOD 48.0
SQUAW VALLEY 47.0
SIERRA AT TAHOE 38.0
BIG BEAR CITY 37.0

...COLORADO...
DURANGO 24.0
PAGOSA SPRINGS 9 NW 24.0
SILVERTON 24.0
WOLF CREEK PASS 1 SSE 24.0
ABAJO 19.0
TELLURIDE 15.0
COAL BANK PASS 14.5
RED MTN 12.3
CREEDE 10 SW 12.0
SOUTH FORK 4 SW 12.0
MOLAS PASS 10.0

...NEW MEXICO...
JEMEZ SPRINGS 14.0
CHAMA 12.0
FARMINGTON 7 NE 10.5
AZTEC 8.0
BLUEWATER LAKE 11 WSW 8.0
BONITO LAKE 5 SW 8.0
FARMINGTON 7 NE 8.0
LUNA 8.0
KIRTLAND 2 ESE 6.0
MOGOLLON 6 ESE 6.0
RAMAH 6.0
BLOOMFIELD 3 SW 5.5
LOS ALAMOS 5.5

...NEVADA...
YUCCA FLAT 20.0
BERRY CREEK 19.0
BIG CREEK SUMMIT 16.0
DRAW CREEK 13.0
POLE CREEK R.S. 13.0
MT. POTOSI 12.0
ELY 8.3
WARD MOUNTAIN 8.0
CHARLESTON 6.0

...UTAH...
BRIGHTON CREST 35.0
ALTA/COLLINS 33.5
DEER VALLEY DALY WEST 28.0
PARK CITY JUPITER PEAK 28.0
BIG COTTONWOOD SPRUCES 19.0
SOLITUDE 17.5
SNOWBIRD 13.5

Selected storm total precipitation (in inches) from 7 am Sunday January 17, through 7 am PST Friday January 22:
...ARIZONA...
DAVIS-MONTHAN AFB/TUCSON 10.23
BLACK CANYON CITY 10 N 6.57
CROWN KING 6.50
SURPRISE 1 ESE 5.58
SUN CITY WEST 2 NNE 4.78
COTTONWOOD 1 WSW 4.63
SCOTTSDALE 5.5 NNW 4.21
NEW RIVER 5 ESE 4.05
WITTMAN 5 SW 4.05
PAYSON 4.01
PINE 1 SW 4.00
SIERRA VISTA 3.83
LUKE AFB/PHOENIX 3.58
CASTLE HOT SPRINGS 3.55
FLAGSTAFF PULLIAM AP 3.41
CLIFTON 2.96
WINSLOW 2.84
GILBERT 4 NW 2.74
CHANDLER 4 WNW 2.72
YUMA MCAF 2.43
PRESCOTT/ERNEST A LOVE FIELD AP 2.28
PHOENIX AIRPORT 2.21
TUCSON AIRPORT 0.52

...CALIFORNIA...
LOS GATOS 4 SW 14.70
CAZADERO 13.46
LYTLE CREEK 13.39
MINING RIDGE 13.14
PETROLIA 7 SE 12.17
BARTLETT SPRINGS 11.23
LAKE ARROWHEAD 11.23
ALTADENA 1 ESE 11.14
CLOVERDALE 1 S 10.30
CRESTLINE 10.27
DEVORE 9.58
DESERT HOT SPRINGS 8.04
UKIAH MUNI ARPT 7.58
NEWHALL 7.08
SANTA ROSA/SONOMA CO ARPT 6.55
SAN LUIS OBISPO ARPT 5.37
SAN DIEGO/MONTGOMERY FIELD 4.32
SAN FRANCISCO INTL ARPT 4.30
LOS ANGELES-USC 3.89
PALM SPRINGS RGNL ARPT 3.75
SACRAMENTO METRO ARPT 3.65
SAN JOSE INTL ARPT 3.19

...NEVADA...
NORTH LAS VEGAS AIRPORT 1.50
HENDERSON AIRPORT 1.17
MERCURY/DESERT ROCK ARPT 1.06

...OREGON...
AGNESS 6.4 NE 3.90
PORT ORFORD 5.0 E 3.52
BROOKINGS 4.2 ENE 2.83
BANDON 11.4 S 2.67
ASTORIA 1.45

...WASHINGTON...
HOQUIAM/BOWERMAN AIRPORT 2.01

Tornadoes, severe weather in the South
Severe weather associated with a separate storm brought damaging winds, hail, and tornadoes to portions of Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, and Florida last night. Two tornadoes were reported, one in Tennessee, and one in Alabama, near Huntsville. The Huntsville tornado injured approximately six people, and cut power to 10,000 people. The storm responsible for the severe weather has moved out to sea, and no further severe weather is expected today. A slight chance of severe weather is expected Saturday over Arkansas and Mississippi, and there is also a severe weather threat for Georgia and surrounding states on Sunday.


Figure 4. Last night's Huntsville, Alabama tornado was captured by wunderphotographer Southampton.

Portlight's Paul Timmons to appear on NBC and CNN
Portlight.org, the disaster-relief charity that has sprung up from the hard work and dedication of many members of the wunderground.com community, has successfully shipped medical equipment and a water filtration unit capable of supplying the needs of 3,500 people per day to the Dominican Republic. The relief supplies were trucked to Haiti via road, and have made it to the earthquake zone. The supplies have been targeted to go to those with disabilities, or to those who are living in areas where the main aid efforts have been inadequate. Portlight is working through the local Catholic Church, which is probably best positioned to deliver private aid donations to those in need. Paul Timmons, leader of the Portlight relief efforts, is scheduled to appear on NBC news later today, and on CNN news tomorrow, to discuss Portlight's efforts.


Figure 5. Walkers and medical supplies for Haiti getting ready to ship from the Portlight warehouse in Atlanta.

Please visit the Portlight.org blog to learn more. Floodman's blog has the latest info on Portlight's plan for Haitian relief. The Reeve Foundation, founded by Christopher and Dana Reeve has awarded Portlight Strategies a $10,000 Quality of of Life grant to assist in the relief efforts in Haiti. This is very big and will allow Portlight to pursue more aggressive relief efforts over the course of the next few weeks.

For those of you more interested in helping out with the long-term rebuilding of Haiti's shattered infrastructure from the quake, I recommend a contribution to Lambi Fund of Haiti, a charity that is very active in promoting reforestation efforts, use of alternative fuels, and infrastructure improvements at a grass-roots level in Haiti. I've developed a great respect for the work they do in the country in the five years I've been a supporter.

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My next post will be Monday.

Jeff Masters

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Cops stand by closed road.
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Southern California Snow (gemd)
A Pacific storm (usually warm) came and dropped snow in Southern California in area which rarely see snow. This was not even an "insider slider" (lingo for a northern, non-Pacific cold jet stream). Snow days for schools are rampant and there are many accidents on the roadways. Our snow is not the typical fluff, but very wet and slick.
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Prescott 2010 Snowstorm
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Shrouded in Clouds

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Quoting Skyepony:
Seems CHIPS was a bit an outlier on that one. It was a small storm & close to land in fairly warm water..understand the concern. The warm water was more a little tongue than a huge pool to draw from. Perhaps that was the limiting factor.

Not sure what CHIPS was banking that high wind speed on...
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Quoting Skyepony:
That is huge.. Watts went out, with a bunch of people searching for ill placed stations, documented & questioned NOAA who researched the details & concluded..average of these stations had a cool bias to max temp & a slight warm bias to minimum temps..


For those that despise abstracts here's a nice write up with the graphs. Explaining why this is.

Interesting...
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Don't know if others have seen this paper just published in Science. Here's the abstract. Dr. Kerry Emanuel (interviewed by Andy Revkin of the NY Times) commented favorably on the study and thinks the end maybe in sight as far as figuring out what we can expect from tropical Atlantic storms in the future. I need to go to the library to read the whole article as Science is very expensive. I'm wondering what their baseline period for # of storms was?

47N91W and Skyepony - As my daughter says "Science rules!!"

Modeled Impact of Anthropogenic Warming on the Frequency of Intense Atlantic Hurricanes
Morris A. Bender,1,* Thomas R. Knutson,1 Robert E. Tuleya,2 Joseph J. Sirutis,1 Gabriel A. Vecchi,1 Stephen T. Garner,1 Isaac M. Held1

Several recent models suggest that the frequency of Atlantic tropical cyclones could decrease as the climate warms. However, these models are unable to reproduce storms of category 3 or higher intensity. We explored the influence of future global warming on Atlantic hurricanes with a downscaling strategy by using an operational hurricane-prediction model that produces a realistic distribution of intense hurricane activity for present-day conditions. The model projects nearly a doubling of the frequency of category 4 and 5 storms by the end of the 21st century, despite a decrease in the overall frequency of tropical cyclones, when the downscaling is based on the ensemble mean of 18 global climate-change projections. The largest increase is projected to occur in the Western Atlantic, north of 20°N.
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Sydney swelters through one of its warmest nights on record
Max Gonzalez, Saturday January 23, 2010 - 09:23 EDT

Soaring temperatures made it very difficult for Sydneysiders to sleep last night as the mercury barely dipped below 30 degrees. In fact, by 12 am the temperature in the city was still 32 degrees.

A trough drawing some very hot and dry air from the interior down across the east is responsible for such phenomena, just 10 days after Melbourne recorded their third warmest night on record.

Between sunset and sunrise, the Harbour City had an overnight low of 27.2 degrees just after 2 am, making it the warmest night since January 1994. However, the official minimum temperature for the city was 25 degrees, registered at 9 am on Friday.

Further south, Sydney's airport dipped to just 27.3 degrees overnight, their highest minimum recorded since records began in 1939.

Today, temperatures are set to rise rapidly, hitting the high 30's in the city and low 40's across western suburbs. The hot, dry and gusty conditions will lead to extreme fire danger conditions in Greater Sydney where a total fire ban is currently in place.

Relief is on the way, however, as a gusty southerly change is expected to bring showers and drop temperatures late this afternoon.

- Weatherzone
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Cyclone Olga heads for north Qld
Saturday January 23, 2010 - 13:00 EDT

A tropical cyclone has developed off the far north Queensland coast and is expected to make landfall tomorrow morning.

Cyclone Olga is a Category 1 system and is currently 540 kilometres east of Cairns.

Tony Auden from the Cyclone Warning Centre says Cyclone Olga is moving quickly towards the coast at more than 30 kilometres per hour.

"Either as a weak cyclone or a low, the best track at the moment is passing between Port Douglas pretty much in the early parts of Sunday so we're expecting some heavy rainfall and some strong winds most likely on the southern side of that likely path," he said.

"People definitely between Cape Flattery and Cardwell should keep an eye out for warnings and think about their plans for heavy rainfall and strong winds."

There has already been heavy rain across parts of Queensland's far north, with falls of up to 180 millimetres in the last 24 hours.

The Innisfail region has received about 130 mm and Cairns 120 mm.

Police say there have been no major problems on the roads so far, but motorists have been warned to take care.

- ABC
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:
Invest east of Australia looking rather impressive:


It's not an Invest anymore.



TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 2
Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane
Issued at 11:07am EST on Saturday the 23rd of January 2010

A Cyclone WATCH has been declared for coastal areas from Cape Melville to
Lucinda.

At 10:00 am EST Tropical Cyclone Olga, Category 1 was estimated to be
490 kilometres east of Cairns and 495 kilometres northeast of Townsville
moving west southwest at 22 kilometres per hour while intensifying.

Tropical Cyclone Olga formed in the Coral Sea overnight and is currently moving
westward towards the coast while intensifying. Gales are not expected on the
east Queensland coast within 24 hours, however gales may develop late Sunday as
the centre nears the coast.

People between Cape Flattery and Cardwell should consider what action they will
need to take if the cyclone threat increases. If you are unsure about the
actions to be taken, information is available from your local government or
local State Emergency Service.

Details of Tropical Cyclone Olga at 10:00 am EST:
.Centre located near...... 16.3 degrees South 150.3 degrees East
.Location accuracy........ within 30 kilometres
.Recent movement.......... towards the west southwest at 22 kilometres per hour
.Wind gusts near centre... 100 kilometres per hour
.Severity category........ 1
.Central pressure......... 993 hectoPascals

The next advice will be issued by 5:00 pm EST Saturday 23 January.

Willis Island Radar Tropical Cyclone Olga is going right over Willis Island.
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378. Skyepony (Mod)
Seems CHIPS was a bit an outlier on that one. It was a small storm & close to land in fairly warm water..understand the concern. The warm water was more a little tongue than a huge pool to draw from. Perhaps that was the limiting factor.
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Hello Everyone:

What a winter weather wonderland!

I've updated my daily blog at:

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Have a great weekend! :)
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376. Skyepony (Mod)
That is huge.. Watts went out, with a bunch of people searching for ill placed stations, documented & questioned NOAA who researched the details & concluded..average of these stations had a cool bias to max temp & a slight warm bias to minimum temps..


For those that despise abstracts here's a nice write up with the graphs. Explaining why this is.
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I see CHIPS was way off on that cyclone...was calling for 140 knots at one point a couple of days ago.

Didn't happen and time is up.



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374. Skyepony (Mod)
Friday, January 22, 2010
M. J. Menne, C. N. Williams, Jr., & M. A. Palecki, JGR-A (2010), On the reliability of the U.S. Surface Temperature Record
Journal of Geophysical Research - Atmospheres, 2010, in press.

On the reliability of the U.S. Surface Temperature Record

Matthew J. Menne*, Claude N. Williams, Jr., and Michael A. Palecki
(NOAA/National Climatic Data Center, Asheville, NC 28801, U.S.A.)

Abstract

Recent photographic documentation of poor siting conditions at stations in the U.S. Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) has led to questions regarding the reliability of surface temperature trends over the conterminous U.S. (CONUS). To evaluate the potential impact of poor siting/instrument exposure on CONUS temperatures, trends derived from poor and well-sited USHCN stations were compared. Results indicate that there is a mean bias associated with poor exposure sites relative to good exposure sites; however, this bias is consistent with previously documented changes associated with the widespread conversion to electronic sensors in the USHCN during the last 25 years. Moreover, the sign of the bias is counterintuitive to photographic documentation of poor exposure because associated instrument changes have led to an artificial negative (“cool”) bias in maximum temperatures and only a slight positive (“warm”) bias in minimum temperatures. These results underscore the need to consider all changes in observation practice when determining the impacts of siting irregularities. Further, the influence of non-standard siting on temperature trends can only be quantified through an analysis of the data. Adjustments applied to USHCN Version 2 data largely account for the impact of instrument and siting changes, although a small overall residual negative (“cool”) bias appears to remain in the adjusted maximum temperature series. Nevertheless, the adjusted USHCN temperatures are extremely well aligned with recent measurements from instruments whose exposure characteristics meet the highest standards for climate monitoring. In summary, we find no evidence that the CONUS temperature trends are inflated due to poor station siting.

Accepted for publication in Journal of Geophysical Research - Atmospheres. Published 2010 American Geophysical Union. Further reproduction or electronic distribution is not permitted. Not subject to U.S. copyright.

Link to complete open-access paper: http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2/monthly/menne-etal2010.pdf
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Wow, my jaw dropped reading through these comments and I've been stewing over this through dinner.

Has our education system collapsed to the point that science is whatever we want it to be? (This is a rhetorical question.)

My real statement is that science is not a democracy, this is not something to be voted upon. The strength of true science is it's absolutism. There are rules and principles that must be followed, data needs to be collected, verified, repeatable, solid.

Anything less than this lands in a state of limbo, sometimes more like fantasy. As a society we need to be careful that we maintain focus and dedication for science in the face of increasing fear in an unknown world.

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Sailors from the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson medically evacuate an injured Haitian girl to the nuclear-powered ship for medical assistance. U.S. Navy photo by MC2 Adrian White
Haiti Relief Efforts »
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Quoting FLPandhandleJG:
Country..

Then y take it too another level if u think atmo is wrong or not.. If u think ur right then state y u r right until proven.. I know this is about weather/climate blog, i rather better my knowledge on learning new info then here someone say i told u so.. This blog is awesome, I learn alot over the years.. like i said u ask the question and bashed atmo for it, but u dont show whats ur opinion or knowledge on it.. except sayin he uses different ways or what he believes what could be occurring. Im not trying to say your wrong or anything.. just move on and ask someone else, thats no harm..
Fair enough and good that you say this. It's late here and i watch a movie now, good night everybody.
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Quoting atmoaggie:

I agree with some of what is put out there...but where you got some idea that I am a parrot, or something, well, neither of us know what you are talking about.

And published journal articles, well, there aren't many detailing what we don't know. And the CO2 windows...how many times...I've seen it myself.


I believe u atmo.. he says he seen in article or w/e sources he's got.. I thought we r supposed to share viable info to us bloggers if it is worth talking about and if we would agree with it or not.. but i dont get his agruement towards what you have shown to him and rest of the blog..
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Country..

Then y take it too another level if u think atmo is wrong or not.. If u think ur right then state y u r right until proven.. I know this is about weather/climate blog, i rather better my knowledge on learning new info then here someone say i told u so.. This blog is awesome, I learn alot over the years.. like i said u ask the question and bashed atmo for it, but u dont show whats ur opinion or knowledge on it.. except sayin he uses different ways or what he believes what could be occurring. Im not trying to say your wrong or anything.. just move on and ask someone else, thats no harm..
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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

This is a weather and climate block based on science and as long im here i will debunk the misinformation as good as i can. I base my post on science sources and findings - atmo just showed that she/he uses sceptic claims which are debunked by the science community.

I agree with some of what is put out there...but where you got some idea that I am a parrot, or something, well, neither of us know what you are talking about.

And published journal articles, well, there aren't many detailing what we don't know. And the CO2 windows...how many times...I've seen it myself.
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Quoting FLPandhandleJG:
Country..

ya u can debate who's right or who's wrong.. You ask him something and he gave his best answer.. I guess thats not what u want to hear.. if u dont like the answer then ask someone else then bash that person that tried to help you.. just moved on man.

This is a weather and climate blog based on science and as long im here i will debunk the misinformation as good as i can. I base my post on science sources and findings - atmo just showed that she/he uses sceptic claims which are debunked by the science community.
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Quoting gregpinehurstnc:
any one here have direct tv?


guilty one here ;)
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any one here have direct tv?
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my sister has that job,, sorry ,, and she will not give it up.. and she wears it well,, ;love my sister,, considering what happened in va,, love really might be all we need,, i like this site,, hope they do not charge for it,,
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363. Skyepony (Mod)
Cloudsat of the low off Greenland

Cloudsat of the low off the east coast

both pretty much down right of center. One off Greenland a little closer to center. Looks like big waves.
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Quoting Patrap:



teamrubiconhaiti.org


Great site, awesome people.
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Quoting NRAamy:
Yep. I got a Christmas present from someone that works indirectly for Exxon chemicals. I am the shill you think I am.

Damn...you think if I become a shill for Little Debbie Snack cakes they'll hook me up?

;)


Haha.. :)
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Many Canadian TV stations are currently broadcasting "Canada for Haiti", as a Haiti telethon for two hours.

Anyone want to email the NHC to get that East coast system named? LOL.
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Yep. I got a Christmas present from someone that works indirectly for Exxon chemicals. I am the shill you think I am.

Damn...you think if I become a shill for Little Debbie Snack cakes they'll hook me up?

;)
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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
em ...They get personal. ... Looks like you swallowed a lot of oil money.


Hypocrisy at its finest.
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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
What do people if they have no argument? They get personal. Quiet primitive behaviour. Looks like you swallowed a lot of oil money. At least you use those arguments. And this is a fact ;)

Yep. I got a Christmas present from someone that works indirectly for Exxon chemicals. I am the shill you think I am.
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Country..

ya u can debate who's right or who's wrong.. You ask him something and he gave his best answer.. I guess thats not what u want to hear.. if u dont like the answer then ask someone else then bash that person that tried to help you.. just moved on man.
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Quoting atmoaggie:

I did answer that question. I give up. You swallowed the hook.
My claim? I've seen with my own eyes.

This is like arguing with a small child...
What do people if they have no argument? They get personal. Quiet primitive behaviour. Looks like you swallowed a lot of oil money. At least you use those arguments. And this is a fact ;)
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PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – An Israeli search team has pulled a 22-year-man from the rubble a staggering 10 days after an earthquake leveled much of the Haitian capital.

Israelis...it's who to call when you need to get er done!

:)
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10 days after quake, Israelis rescue man in Haiti
By MIKE MELIA and BEN FOX, Associated Press Writers Mike Melia And Ben Fox, Associated Press Writers
32 mins ago

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – An Israeli search team has pulled a 22-year-man from the rubble a staggering 10 days after an earthquake leveled much of the Haitian capital.

Video of the rescue obtained by The Associated Press shows rescue workers pulling the man from a crevasse in the wreckage of what had been a three-story home.

A statement from the Israeli Defense Force says local residents led the team to the site Friday, adding that the man was in stable condition at an Israeli field hospital in Port-au-Prince.

Shirtless, the man appears either unconscious or barely conscious and covered in dust as he is hoisted onto a stretcher.

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Quoting atmoaggie:

I did answer that question. I give up. You swallowed the hook.
My claim? I've seen with my own eyes.

This is like arguing with a small child...

atmo.. dont mind him or just ignore him.. others like him dont appreciate the effort that u and others to try to help other bloggers out..
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Quoting gregpinehurstnc:
thank you,,


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Yea, one big happy family. LOL
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Quoting Greyelf:

10 days after quake, Israelis rescue man in Haiti

By MIKE MELIA and BEN FOX, Associated Press Writers Mike Melia And Ben Fox, Associated Press Writers – 21 mins ago

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – An Israeli search team has pulled a 22-year-man from the rubble a staggering 10 days after an earthquake leveled much of the Haitian capital.

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Just saw on the news that they saved an 82 year old woman also, which is doubly amazing since the average life span of a Haitian woman is about 62 years.
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thank you,,
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Quoting ElConando:
Anyone have any more news on what is occurring in Haiti, Cali?

10 days after quake, Israelis rescue man in Haiti

By MIKE MELIA and BEN FOX, Associated Press Writers Mike Melia And Ben Fox, Associated Press Writers – 21 mins ago

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – An Israeli search team has pulled a 22-year-man from the rubble a staggering 10 days after an earthquake leveled much of the Haitian capital.

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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
You disagree with science and use the sceptic arguments and you do not cite your sources. And btw you didn't answered my question (What should happen ... ). You presented a faulty claim, which is long debunked. This is like asking for a flat planet.

I did answer that question. I give up. You swallowed the hook.
My claim? I've seen with my own eyes.

This is like arguing with a small child...
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Quoting gregpinehurstnc:
can some one send me just one smiley,, i am getting more confused here, than when i was in met class in denver,, and ,i have been here for almost 5 years,, found it a wonderful site for WEATHER,wish i had stayed focused, but life come first,, ty all to the p2 , flood , dak what u have done,, is quite admirable,,


It can get tiresome at times.
To cheer you up some.


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can some one send me just one smiley,, i am getting more confused here, than when i was in met class in denver,, and ,i have been here for almost 5 years,, found it a wonderful site for WEATHER,wish i had stayed focused, but life come first,, ty all to the p2 , flood , dak what u have done,, is quite admirable,,
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Quoting atmoaggie:
I disagree with the post, I suppose.
You disagree with science and use the sceptic arguments and you do not cite your sources. And btw you didn't answered my question (What should happen ... ). You presented a faulty claim, which is long debunked. This is like asking for a flat planet.
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Quoting P451:


If this were July people would be demanding it get named.

It's heading warm core. It's shedding it's fronts. It has deep convection at the center.

All the flags you'd look for.

Incredible system.
been watchin all day very interesting feature

MARK
XX/XX/XX
37.9N/68.3W

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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
You use teh image from a blog, which actualy answers your issue with the sience. I guess you not read it, so here i quote a part.

I read it (gee, you think I am that dumb?)

I have seen data from those windows. Is fully absorbed. Simple.

I disagree with the post, I suppose.
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:
Warm anomalies now seeping into Pine Island Bay, Antarctica (that feature near 100W):

It is notible that the gulf stream is very warm yet for this time of the year
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Whipped up a quick bunch of sines and the sum of:

1. Purely hypothetical
2. White lines represent a hypothetical effect of a natural cycle on global surface temps each.
3. This leaves out the varying amplitude and period of each white line
4. Red line is the sum of that effect (gee, I should have inverted if I wanted to show a warming at the end...oh well, is hypothetical)

And we have measured about the width of 5 letter "M"s, or "MMMMM" (maybe)



Some would love to claim that we know well where the red line would be without us present on the planet...
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Quoting atmoaggie:

You use teh image from a blog, which actualy answers your issue with the sience. I guess you not read it, so here i quote a part.

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Water is so abundant in the atmosphere that in those areas where it absorbs heat radiation, the atmosphere is practically impermeable or 'black'. In other words in these areas the absorption spectrum is completely saturated. And no matter how much more water vapour there would be, it can't get 'blacker than black'. It’s a bit like putting a black tarp over your window at home. After the first one it dose not matter how many more you add, it won't get any darker - at least through that window!

But here is the catch: CO2 and also Methane have absorption areas of infrared radiation in some of the few remaining 'windows' in which the earth can 'shine out' so to speak and loose heat, because these windows in the spectrum are not already closed by water vapour's thick blanket. And it does not take much of a CO2 concentration at all, to lead to a strong absorption in these areas. In fact CO2 is so good at absorbing heat radiation in its bands that even at the natural background concentration of 280 parts per billion of CO2, the atmosphere is practically already almost 'black' in the centre of the CO2 absorption bands!

The anthropogenic additions of CO2 - in fact we will be practically doubling it by the mid of the century - will have a very measurable effect to the ability of Earth to radiate out of this 'window' precisely because the natural CO2 concentration is so low (compared to water) and the absorption is not yet saturated in these frequency bands so that any additional CO2 we bring to release is directly contributing to the darkening around the CO2 window in the absorption spectrum.

Thus Augies argument of the low concentration of CO2 relative to Water is actually coming home to roost!

Infrared Absorption Spectrum for CO2 and other greenhouse gases:

Absorption spectra of Water (H2O) - blue, Carbon Dioxide (CO2) - green, Oxygen and Ozone (O2 and O3) - red and the total (added) absorption spectrum - top.

The black line marked 5780K is the incoming solar spectrum, the 255K is the spectrum of the earth radiating out.

It is clear that the green CO2 absorption lines are blocking an important part of the 'water window' (blue line) in which Earth can radiate in the infrared out of the atmosphere.

Full Blog Post


Water vapour: feedback or forcing?
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