The uncertain legacy of Copenhagen

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 8:39 PM GMT on December 22, 2009

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The Copenhagen (COP15) climate summit is over, and leaves an uncertain legacy. What was accomplished in Copenhagen was far outweighed by what was not accomplished. While the final Copenhagen Accord affirmed that we must hold the warming of our planet below 2°C above pre-industrial levels by 2100 to avert dangerous climate change, no timetable for accomplishing that goal was specified. The promises made by the various nations at the summit would likely lead to a 3.9°C warming of the planet, according to an analysis by MIT's Sustainability Institute. Copenhagen did demonstrate that the hype preceding the talks was not undeserved--the stakes involved are huge, and we have an epic political battle on our hands that will afford high drama in 2010. Probably the best summary of the political battle at Copenhagen was posted by author Mark Lynas on the UK Guardian's web site. The title of the article was, "How do I know China wrecked the Copenhagen deal? I was in the room".

The leaders for greenhouse gas reductions
While the Copenhagen Summit made it clear that the coming battle will feature the U.S. and China, the voices of two tiny island nations--Tuvalu and The Maldives--will be important as well. When ranked by percentage of population located near the coast at an elevation of ten meters or less, the top five spots are held by small island nations with more than 90% of their population in this Low Elevation Coastal Zone--the Maldives, Marshall Islands, Tuvalu, Cayman Islands, and Turks and Caicos Islands (McGranahan et al., 2007). The very existence of these island nations are threatened by sea level rise due to climate change. The leaders of Tuvalu and The Maldives brought considerable attention to their plight at the Copenhagen conference, and President Mohamed Nasheed of the Maldives, in particular, has made his tiny country a force to be reckoned with in the coming battle.


Figure 1. President Mohamed Nasheed of the Maldives, Vice President Dr Mohamed Waheed and 11 cabinet ministers donned scuba gear and submerged 4 meters below the surface of sea to hold the world's first underwater cabinet meeting on October 17, 2009, in order to dramatize the threat sea level rise poses to their country.

The leaders against greenhouse gas reductions
Canada has joined Saudi Arabia as a leading voice against efforts to control emissions of greenhouse gases. According to The Climate Change Performance Index (CCPI), which is published annually by Germanwatch and CAN-Europe, Canada ranks second to last in climate policy and in overall efforts to tackle climate change, among the 57 industrialized countries and emerging economies that together account for more than 90 per cent of global energy-related CO2 emissions. Canada's national statement at COP15 featured no commitments of money or targets to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and Canada also lobbied to change the "base" year from when emission reductions should be computed from 1990 to 2006. Croatia was the only other country to support Canada's position. The notorious political pranksters The Yes Men dramatized Canada's position by issuing a phony press release during COP15 claiming that Canada had come to its senses and was now going to work toward a 40 per cent cut in greenhouse gas emissions, the type of cut scientists say is necessary if we are to avoid dangerous warming of more than 2°C over pre-industrial levels. Canadian reporters immediately recognized the news release as a hoax. Canadian politics is heavily dominated by the fossil fuel industry, and Canadian reporters immediately saw the impossibility of the Canadian government performing an about-face on climate policy.


Figure 2. The top ten and bottom ten performing countries on the Climate Change Performance Index (CCPI), published annually by Germanwatch and CAN-Europe to rank the efforts to combat climate change of the 57 industrialized countries and emerging economies that together account for more than 90 per cent of global energy-related CO2 emissions. The ranking system factors in three scores: the emissions level (CO2 per primary energy unit, primary energy unit per GDP, and primary energy unit per capita); the emissions trend (whether emissions are rising or falling), and a subjective rating of the nation's national and international climate policy. Tall bars indicate a higher ranking, and thin bars represent a poor ranking. None of the 57 countries were doing enough to keep global warming below 2°C, so the top three spots on the list were left blank. Image credit: Germanwatch.org.

Comparison with the battle over CFC regulations and the ozone hole
On June 28, 1974, Sherry Rowland and Mario Molina, chemists at the University of California, Irvine, published the first scientific paper warning that human-generated chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) could cause serious harm to Earth's protective ozone layer (Molina and Rowland, 1974). They calculated that if CFC production continued to increase at the going rate of 10%/year until 1990, then remain steady, CFCs would cause a global 5 to 7 percent ozone loss by 1995 and 30 - 50% loss by 2050.

They warned that the loss of ozone would significantly increase the amount of skin-damaging ultraviolet UV-B light reaching the surface, greatly increasing skin cancer and cataracts. The loss of stratospheric ozone could also significantly cool the stratosphere, potentially causing destructive climate change. Although no stratospheric ozone loss had been observed yet, CFCs should be banned, they said. A huge international political battle ensued, one that eerily echoes many of the same themes as the battle over global warming. In a 1984 interview in The New Yorker, Dr. Rowland concluded, "Nothing will be done about this problem until there is further evidence that a significant loss of ozone has occurred. Unfortunately, this means that if there is a disaster in the making in the stratosphere we are probably not going to avoid it." These prophetic words were proved true the very next year with the discovery of the Antarctic ozone hole. Speedy action to save the planet from potentially disastrous loss of the ozone layer was realized with the swift implementation of the Montreal Protocol two years later, though.

As was the case with the battle over the CFCs and the ozone layer, I expect it will take a obvious imminent climate change disaster to motivate governments to take strong action. I believed in September 2007 that such an event had occurred, when the Arctic ice cap lost more than half of its area, compared to levels observed in the early 1950s. I was astounded at the nonchalance the event earned in the press and among politicians. But, in hindsight I should not have been surprised, since the stakes are very much higher than the battle to ban CFCs--now we are talking about the fossil fuel industry, the very basis for our modern industrialized society. A very big, very obvious disaster in the making will probably be needed to motivate strong enough action to make a major difference in CO2 emissions. Our climate is certainly capable of generating such an event in the coming decade. Unfortunately, if we wait until a disaster is obviously imminent, we will have far less time to prevent a climate disaster than we had for the ozone depletion crisis. The lifetime of CFCs in the atmosphere is 50 - 140 years, but a substantial portion of the CO2 put in the air stays for thousands of years. According to the 2007 IPCC report, "About 50% of a CO2 increase will be removed from the atmosphere within 30 years, and a further 30% will be removed within a few centuries. The remaining 20% may stay in the atmosphere for many thousands of years."

References
McGranahan, G., D. Balk, and B. Anderson, 2007, "The rising tide: assessing the risks of climate change and human settlements in low elevation coastal zones", Environment & Urbanization, 19(1), 17-37.

Molina, M.J., and F.S. Rowland, "Stratospheric Sink for Chlorofluoromethanes: Chlorine Atom-Catalyzed Destruction of Ozone", Nature 249, 810-812, 1974.

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Have a great Christmas, everyone, and I'll be back with a new post on Monday (at the latest).

Jeff Masters

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man, if some of the mid-long range models are even close...its going to get downright bitter in some areas next week and the week after....another possibly large nor'easter 12/30-1/4 time frame...guess we will see when it gets here...lol
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Yesterday, at this time is was 76F. It's now down to 32F at the Arlington, TX AP, about 2 miles S of me. Below is our current Short Term Forecast:

SHORT TERM FORECAST
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
235 PM CST THU DEC 24 2009

TXZ091>095-100>107-115>123-129>135-141>148-156>162-174-175-242345-
MONTAGUE-COOKE-GRAYSON-FANNIN-LAMAR-YOUNG-JACK-WISE-DENTON-COLLIN-
HUNT-DELTA-HOPKINS-STEPHENS-PALO PINTO-PARKER-TARRANT-DALLAS-
ROCKWALL-KAUFMAN-VAN ZANDT-RAINS-EASTLAND-ERATH-HOOD-SOMERVELL-
JOHNSON-ELLIS-HENDERSON-COMANCHE-MILLS-HAMILTON-BOSQUE-HILL-
NAVARRO-FREESTONE-ANDERSON-LAMPASAS-CORYELL-BELL-MCLENNAN-FALLS-
LIMESTONE-LEON-MILAM-ROBERTSON-
235 PM CST THU DEC 24 2009

.NOW...
BANDS OF PRECIPITATION WILL CONTINUE SPIRALING AROUND A STRONG UPPER
LEVEL STORM SYSTEM. THE PRECIPITATION WILL INCREASE IN INTENSITY
AND AREAL COVERAGE AS THE SYSTEM MOVES EAST ACROSS NORTH TEXAS. SNOW
CONTINUES TO FALL IN AREAS MAINLY WEST OF I-35...WITH A RAIN/SNOW
MIX ALONG THE I-35 CORRIDOR. THE TRANSITION FROM RAIN TO SNOW WILL
OCCUR ACROSS THE REMAINDER OF NORTH TEXAS AS THE AFTERNOON
PROGRESSES.

BY MID AFTERNOON...AS MUCH AS 3 INCHES OF SNOW HAD FALLEN FROM EASTLAND TO
JACKSBORO. WITH WIND GUSTS OVER 40 MPH...THE VISIBILITY HAS BEEN REDUCED
TO UNDER 1/4 MILE WITH SNOW. NEAR BLIZZARD CONDITIONS WILL BE
COMMON WITHIN THE WINTER STORM WARNING AREA...ALONG AND NORTHWEST
OF A LINE FROM EASTLAND...TO WEATHERFORD...TO SHERMAN...WHERE
ADDITIONAL ACCUMULATIONS WILL BE 2 TO 4 INCHES THIS AFTERNOON.
LIGHTER AMOUNTS ARE EXPECTED TO THE SOUTHEAST WITHIN THE WINTER
WEATHER ADVISORY...BUT MOTORISTS SHOULD BE AWARE OF VERY STRONG
WINDS REDUCING THE VISIBILITY...EVEN WHERE SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL
DOES NOT OCCUR. A LIGHT DUSTING OF SNOW WILL BE POSSIBLE IN
CENTRAL TEXAS...TO THE SOUTH OF THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY.

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Merry Christmas to all of WU




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Current Conditions

Dans House, Houston, Texas (PWS)


Updated: 1 sec ago
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Humidity: 38%
Dew Point: 30 °F
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Good grief Charlie Brown! It was 76F at this time yesterday, now, its 32F, NW winds at 25MPH and an occasional gust to near 45MPH :0)



Light Snow Fog/Mist and Breezy

33 F
(1 C) Humidity: 89 %
Wind Speed: NW 24 G 35 MPH
Barometer: 29.57" (1001.3 mb)
Dewpoint: 30 F (-1 C)
Wind Chill: 20 F (-7 C)
Visibility: 1.00 mi
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Quoting aquak9:
...if we didn't have so many people breeding children they can neither clothe, house, feed, or medically insure, then we wouldn't be where we are.

second off- for every human we produce, there's that much more STUFF some FACTORY IN CHINA gets to sell us.

No need for anyone to adopt China's views on population control. BUT... a little common sense (birth control) would go a long way.

I'm just sayin'...

Exactly...

How on earth do we control population?

Whose method do we use? How do you force that upon all the people of the world.

How do you convince third worlders that they have to be a part of the population control?

What about their religious beliefs?

Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.

Which gets us back to having to adapt.

The church of the IPCC/AGW and its followers are simply a needless diversion on our path to dealing with 18 billions souls by 2070.

Adaptation is the only way.


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look at the local radars for Houston... it's 42F and quickly falling... that snow is VERY close.
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RE: 929


I'm Soooooooooo Jealous!!!
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SARAHJOLA

lay off the caps, young one. First, you say we're a nanny state- well if we didn't have so many people breeding children they can neither clothe, house, feed, or medically insure, then we wouldn't be where we are.

second off- for every human we produce, there's that much more STUFF some FACTORY IN CHINA gets to sell us.

No need for anyone to adopt China's views on population control. BUT... a little common sense (birth control) would go a long way.

I'm just sayin'...
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Quoting tornadodude:
good afternoon all



LOOK, SNOW IN ARLINGTON, TX TODAY :0)

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And the winter of giant storm systems marches on....
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I have read and heard the ominous warnings coming out of Copenhagen about what will happen if CO2 emissions are not drastically reduced. I know many on this blog believe these warnings are accurate. We hear a lot about cap and trade and green jobs, but moving in that direction is encountering increasingly stiff opposition.

A law that would greatly reduce CO2 emissions as well as real pollutants such as mercury would require and authorize the replacement of all coal fueled power plants by nuclear power plants. The law would override the endangered species act when the new nuclear power plant is sited within a mile of the existing coal plant. Whatever bug, plant or critter that can live near a coal plant can also live near a nuclear plant. Also, the law would authorize and require reprocessing of the spent nuclear fuel, which France has been doing for decades. It’s safe and reduces the amount of nuclear waste by 90%. The total amount of nuclear waste produced to provide the electrical needs of a family of four for 25 years has a mass of about two kilograms.

Just think of the jobs such an undertaking would create and just think of the long term benefits. For the price of TARP and the stimulus we could have paid for this. Of course you can’t get something like this passed because of the environmental lobby. Apparently they don’t believe the warnings about AGW and that makes it hard for many other people to believe them.
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The Squall Line has passed the NOLA metro area and continues to move East with da geese.

No severe reports noted too.



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good afternoon all

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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Its one of the ads. Bottom of the "current hurricane hunt" page.


Says CROSSFIRE.


A-HA! Finally...got it...Rockin'.

I'm feeling shades of these guys; you think?!!? Mucho favorite band for a long time 'round here and elsewhere.

http://thenighthawks.com/

Link

BBL...for real...
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DOES SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA HAVE A CHANCE FOR SNOW? IT SURE DOES LOOK POSSIBLE. ON THE NORTH SHORE ON CHRISTMAS NIGHT IT WILL BE IN THE MID 20'S TO LOW 30'S PERFECT FOR SNOW.
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Quoting calusakat:

Sure...

Like China does it?

How would that work?

No, not being testy, just saying....

Err, getting the impatient looks from everybody...gotta go.

Once again...MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL!!!




WE WERE PUT HERE TO REPRODUCE AND KEEP LIFE GOING. IF THEY TRIED TO PULL A CHINA ON US, GOD HELP THEM. THE THOUGHT OF SOMEONE TELLING PEOPLE HOW MANY CHILDREN THEY CAN HAVE IS INSANE AND A CAUSE FOR WAR! WHO EVER FEELS THAT WAY NEEDS TO GET OUT OF AMERICA(THE LAND OF THE FREE) AND MOVE TO CHINA WHERE THAT SORT OF THING IS ACCEPTABLE.
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Quoting Bordonaro:
Christmas Eve Snow, Arlington, TX. Taken about 12:25PM. KRLD 1080AM just had an update, and they stated that we will have "Near Blizzard COnditions" in the immediate DFW area! Amazing!


I WONDER IF LOUISIANA WILL GET SNOW? I SURE HOPE SO. MAYBE CHRISTMAS NIGHT WE WILL GET IT. GLOBAL WARMING IS SOOO COLD. LOL!
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"CUSE me. "LIVE HURRICANE WEBCAM PAGE.
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Quoting calusakat:

Food for thought.

What about all those containers we put our food into.

What about the paper packaging we get when we buy our food from the grocery store.

What about the wood we use in our furniture.

What about the plastic we use in our furniture and appliances.

What about the population of this planet being 18 billion by 2070.

What about the waste products they are going to produce simply being themselves, not to mention the other consumptions like energy for heating the food.

What about the food that will need to be grown.

What about all the gas that will be passed by all those living on this earth.

RATHER THAN WORRY ABOUT THE SMALL STUFF LIKE CO2...

PERHAPS IT IS TIME TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO ADAPT TO THE CHANGES THAT WILL OCCUR SIMPLY FROM A POPULATION OF 18 BILLION SOULS...

SEA LEVEL WILL RISE...

LOOK FOR WAYS TO ADAPT TO IT RATHER THAN BLEED THE PEOPLE OF THEIR FINANCIAL RESOURCES IN A FOOLISH ATTEMPT TO STOP THE INEVITABLE.




THAT IS CORRECT. WE CAN NOT PREVENT OUR PLANET FROM DOING WHAT IT WILL DO. ANYONE REMEMBER THAT THE EARTH GOES THROUGH CYCLES. IT IS IGNORANT TO BANKRUPT US ON THE BASIS OF FALSE AND FUDGED DATA OF 800 YEARS ON A EARTH THAT IS BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD. BESIDES GIVING OUR MONEY TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE US OR CARE ABOUT THE ENVIROMENT WE WILL BE GIVING UP OUR SOVERINGTY. I FOR ONE WILL FIGHT THAT WITH ALL I HAVE. I HATE THE DIRECTION OUR COUNTRY IS GOING. NOTHING BUT A NANNY STATE. ITS SAD.
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!
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Its one of the ads. Bottom of the LIVE HURRICANE WEBCAM" page.


Says CROSSFIRE.
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916. JRRP
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Going brain-dead here. Sun is shining brightly in sliding glass doors...getting sleepy...tomorrow will be ice and rain.
Going to take a break, BBL.
Hope the Texans are enjoying the snow, anyway... despite the tornado/blizzard warnings...a peacock feather hat would be ni-ice for New Year's Eve!
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914. MTWX
Winds really picking up here in Columbus, MS
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The threat for severe weather is increasing here in Northeast Florida, seems like the dry air is not as strong and conditions are becoming favorable for storms. Tomorrow morning is the current outlook on when the severe weather will be the greatest.
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I read the story linked in #878. So it was China who almost single handedly scuttled Copenhagen and shifted the blame on Obama. I can only speculate as to what their game is, but it might have helped Obama in the long run. Had Copenhagen gone the way Al Gore types had wanted there would soon be an international treaty before the U.S. Senate. It takes 67 votes to ratify a treaty and there’s no more than 62 for such a treaty at the most and likely there will be even fewer after the 2010 elections. Obama would be in a worse position if the he signed such a treaty but could never get it ratified. That’s the situation Bill Clinton was in, but times were different and it didn’t hurt his international reputation.

I don’t believe CO2 has much affect on Earth’s climate and so I’m relieved that there’s more time for science to work on this issue. That said I could be convinced to support such a treaty if the following two provisions were put into it.

1) The IPCC forth assessment would undergo a full and transparent review by an independent panel. All of the data and metadata for all studies and papers included in the reviewed assessment would be publicly available. All studies and papers that were excluded would also be transparently reviewed. All new studies would be assessed. The final review would be written by the scientists, not by administrators or politicians. The final review would replace the current IPCC forth assessment in all regards.

2) The treaty would include a means to update carbon reduction requirements based on new scientific findings. This includes removing all carbon reduction requirements if future scientific findings demonstrate that CO2 is not a significant climate driver.

If people really believe the science behind AGW is solid, then there’s no reason to oppose such additions. Yes, it will take time to review the IPCC forth assessment, but if that’s not done the political reality is that what happened in Copenhagen will happen in Mexico City next year. The call for transparency and the willingness to accept future scientific findings should be universal. If not, it fuels speculation that people pushing such a treaty have ulterior motives or non-scientific beliefs.
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Ditto; re AtmoAggie's home safe & sound.

Okay, I AM TRYING to find link to PensacolaDoug's music (band is Crossfire) on
XtremeHurricanes.com (site he gave me).
I just don't see the link to Crossfire!
I've clicked on everything
This is crazy-making...lol I don't need any help with that!

Is it the music track on the Hurr. Bill video?

Here's where I'm at:

http://www.xtremehurricanes.com/
Link
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Quoting aquak9:
PERHAPS IT IS TIME TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO ADAPT TO THE CHANGES THAT WILL OCCUR SIMPLY FROM A POPULATION OF 18 BILLION SOULS...

perhaps it is time to look for ways to keep us from hitting that number...

Sure...

Like China does it?

How would that work?

No, not being testy, just saying....

Err, getting the impatient looks from everybody...gotta go.

Once again...MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL!!!



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There actually was very little lightning by personal experience, but this map is thick with along the main line:



Really leaving now. Out.

Merry Christmas Eve!
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PERHAPS IT IS TIME TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO ADAPT TO THE CHANGES THAT WILL OCCUR SIMPLY FROM A POPULATION OF 18 BILLION SOULS...

perhaps it is time to look for ways to keep us from hitting that number...
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Quoting Jeff9641:


The severe weather should make more news than the snow. So far 16 tornadoes with this system in the last 24 hours and climbing to about 30 I think later to day. This is a big severe weather outbreak for any month in the spring but winter!

Where the heck does that 16 come from? If you got a storm report source more current and correct than the SPC, I'd like to know about it...
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:


Did you read that article Pat?
I'm all for alternative energy and becoming independent from for foriegn oil. Lead by example? We're not in the lead anymore! The Chineese are gonna contine to increase their output of co2 no matter what we say or do. God help the planet if AGW is real. I just don't see how we can stop it. Sending billions of dollars overseas to ingrates who don't appreciate it isn't the answer. Cap and Trade isn't the answer. God help us!

Food for thought.

What about all those containers we put our food into.

What about the paper packaging we get when we buy our food from the grocery store.

What about the wood we use in our furniture.

What about the plastic we use in our furniture and appliances.

What about the population of this planet being 18 billion by 2070.

What about the waste products they are going to produce simply being themselves, not to mention the other consumptions like energy for heating the food.

What about the food that will need to be grown.

What about all the gas that will be passed by all those living on this earth.

RATHER THAN WORRY ABOUT THE SMALL STUFF LIKE CO2...

PERHAPS IT IS TIME TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO ADAPT TO THE CHANGES THAT WILL OCCUR SIMPLY FROM A POPULATION OF 18 BILLION SOULS...

SEA LEVEL WILL RISE...

LOOK FOR WAYS TO ADAPT TO IT RATHER THAN BLEED THE PEOPLE OF THEIR FINANCIAL RESOURCES IN A FOOLISH ATTEMPT TO STOP THE INEVITABLE.



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Christmas Eve Snow, Arlington, TX. Taken about 12:25PM. KRLD 1080AM just had an update, and they stated that we will have "Near Blizzard COnditions" in the immediate DFW area! Amazing!

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I can hear this one approaching from the West already



Going to power down the system and,will catch ya'll on the other side.
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glad ya made it safely, atmo.
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
Atmo was leaving earlier to drive to Baton Rouge...he was hoping to beat the line of storms.
She-et...thoughts and prayers...

Did beat the worst of it here by about 5 minutes.
Peaked at a gust of about 40 mph. No obvious signs of damage...even went back out to the grocery...not even branches about.
Thanks for the concern, though.

I see the nado reports took a break. Good.

Quality time with the fam looms, L8R
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Hey AIM!! Didja give it a listen?

Weather reports...China...stoo-pid poopy Lexus...hubby came home early...mental-pause...Sorry, got distracted!

Going over for a listen NOW! Thnx.
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:



Thats a GOOD idea! Detroit! Are you listening?


Japan is listening... I have a weather scan function on my stock Toyota radio... It doesn't get weatherband though.

Also, the new GMC I just bought has XM weather that gets your current local conditions and alerts...
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898. rlk
In regards:
About 50% of a CO2 increase will be removed from the atmosphere within 30 years, and a further 30% will be removed within a few centuries. The remaining 20% may stay in the atmosphere for many thousands of years.
That's a very interesting kinetic profile. What are the various removal mechanisms and time constants involved here? It looks like the initial half life is 30 years, so 2 centuries would be on the order of 7 half lives, at which point about 99% would be removed.
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:


Did you read that article Pat?
I'm all for alternative energy and becoming independent from for foriegn oil. Lead by example? We're not in the lead anymore! The Chineese are gonna contine to increase their output of co2 no matter what we say or do. God help the planet if AGW is real. I just don't see how we can stop it. Sending billions of dollars overseas to ingrates who don't appreciate it isn't the answer. Cap and Trade isn't the answer. God help us1


Of course I read it Doug,..by leading I mean doing the right thing in the Long Run.

We all know China's gonna have there run with Coal and Oil,.its unavoidable.

But we as a free nation ..need to press forward in a manner like we did in the 60's race to the Moon.

Science can break the Bond to oil,..or we will run out and then have to anyway.

The Oil is a dwindling Limited supply,..and if we dont find alternative energy sources,.well,its all moot isnt it?

We need to help ourselves,to help the world.

God isnt gonna wave his hand and make it all better.

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Quoting Patrap:
Peacock Gumbo sounds like a remedy..saw a piece with video on that over there,nasty Birds for sure.


My mother had a saying when she saw someone who got to haughty: "A peacock today; a feather duster tomorrow"

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Hey AIM!! Didja give it a listen?
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had to re-paint the Lexus?

twice?

bet you could buy a new Saturn for what those paint jobs cost.

if it weren't for the weather, I'd go on a rant. Beat that squall line DOWN...
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Quoting Patrap:
One leads by example..as a rule.

Oil is the Bankrupt driver,..nothing else compares.

We borrow cash from China,to purchase foreign Oil to run our economy,thus the conundrum.

One has to break the addiction to Oil in a manner that's clean,efficient and profitable.

There is NO other solution.


Did you read that article Pat?
I'm all for alternative energy and becoming independent from for foriegn oil. Lead by example? We're not in the lead anymore! The Chineese are gonna contine to increase their output of co2 no matter what we say or do. God help the planet if AGW is real. I just don't see how we can stop it. Sending billions of dollars overseas to ingrates who don't appreciate it isn't the answer. Cap and Trade isn't the answer. God help us!
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SHORT TERM FORECAST
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
1220 PM CST THU DEC 24 2009

TXZ091>095-100>107-115>123-129>135-141>148-156>162-174-175-242030-
ANDERSON-BELL-BOSQUE-COLLIN-COMANCHE-COOKE-CORYELL-DALLAS-DELTA-
DENTON-EASTLAND-ELLIS-ERATH-FALLS-FANNIN-FREESTONE-GRAYSON-HAMILTON-
HENDERSON-HILL-HOOD-HOPKINS-HUNT-JACK-JOHNSON-KAUFMAN-LAMAR-LAMPASAS-
LEON-LIMESTONE-MCLENNAN-MILAM-MILLS-MONTAGUE-NAVARRO-PALO PINTO-
PARKER-RAINS-ROBERTSON-ROCKWALL-SOMERVELL-STEPHENS-TARRANT-VAN ZANDT-
WISE-YOUNG-
1220 PM CST THU DEC 24 2009

.NOW...
BANDS OF PRECIPITATION WILL CONTINUE SPIRALING AROUND A STRONG UPPER
LEVEL STORM SYSTEM. THE PRECIPITATION WILL INCREASE IN INTENSITY
AND AREAL COVERAGE AS THE SYSTEM MOVES EAST ACROSS NORTH TEXAS. SNOW
CONTINUES TO FALL IN AREAS WEST OF I-35...WITH A RAIN/SNOW MIX ALONG
THE I-35 CORRIDOR. THE TRANSITION FROM RAIN TO SNOW WILL OCCUR
ACROSS THE REMAINDER OF NORTH TEXAS AS THE AFTERNOON PROGRESSES.

BY MIDDAY...AS MUCH AS 3 INCHES OF SNOW HAD FALLEN FROM EASTLAND TO
OLNEY. WITH WIND GUSTS OVER 40 MPH...THE VISIBILITY HAS BEEN
REDUCED TO UNDER 1/4 MILE WITH SNOW. NEAR BLIZZARD CONDITIONS WILL
BE COMMON WITHIN THE WINTER STORM WARNING AREA...ALONG AND NORTHWEST
OF A LINE FROM EASTLAND...TO WEATHERFORD...TO SHERMAN...WHERE
ADDITIONAL ACCUMULATIONS WILL BE 2 TO 4 INCHES THIS AFTERNOON.
LIGHTER AMOUNTS ARE EXPECTED TO THE SOUTHEAST WITHIN THE WINTER
WEATHER ADVISORY...BUT MOTORISTS SHOULD BE AWARE OF VERY STRONG
WINDS REDUCING THE VISIBILITY...EVEN WHERE SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL DOES
NOT OCCUR. A LIGHT DUSTING OF SNOW WILL BE POSSIBLE IN CENTRAL
TEXAS...TO THE SOUTH OF THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY.
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One leads by example..as a rule.

Oil is the Bankrupt driver,..nothing else compares.

We borrow cash from China,to purchase foreign Oil to run our economy,thus the conundrum.

One has to break the addiction to Oil in a manner that's clean,efficient and profitable.

There is NO other solution.
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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
1055 AM CST THU DEC 24 2009

TXZ094-095-104>107-118>123-130>134-141-250000-
/O.CON.KFWD.WW.Y.0003.000000T0000Z-091225T0000Z/
FANNIN-LAMAR-COLLIN-HUNT-DELTA-HOPKINS-TARRANT-DALLAS-ROCKWALL-
KAUFMAN-VAN ZANDT-RAINS-ERATH-HOOD-SOMERVELL-JOHNSON-ELLIS-
COMANCHE-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...BONHAM...PARIS...PLANO...GREENVILLE...
COMMERCE...COOPER...SULPHUR SPRINGS...FORT WORTH...ARLINGTON...
DALLAS...ROCKWALL...TERRELL...KAUFMAN...FORNEY...WILLS POINT...
CANTON...GRAND SALINE...VAN...EDGEWOOD...EMORY...POINT...
EAST TAWAKONI...STEPHENVILLE...DUBLIN...GRANBURY...
OAK TRAIL SHORES...GLEN ROSE...CLEBURNE...BURLESON...WAXAHACHIE...
ENNIS...MIDLOTHIAN...GLENN HEIGHTS...COMANCHE...DE LEON
1055 AM CST THU DEC 24 2009

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM CST THIS
EVENING...

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW AND BLOWING SNOW REMAINS IN
EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM CST THIS EVENING.

A POWERFUL WINTER STORM WILL MOVE ACROSS NORTH TEXAS TODAY.
TEMPERATURES WILL CONTINUE TO FALL DURING THE DAY WITH AREAS OF
RAIN TRANSITIONING TO AREAS OF SNOW FROM WEST TO EAST DURING THE
DAY. SNOW MAY BE MODERATE TO HEAVY AT TIMES...AND ACCUMULATIONS
WILL AVERAGE AROUND 1 INCH ACROSS THE ADVISORY AREA...WITH
LOCALIZED AMOUNTS UP TO 2 INCHES. IN ADDITION...STRONG NORTHWEST
WINDS OF 25 TO 35 MPH WILL CAUSE BLOWING SNOW WHICH WILL REDUCE
VISIBILITIES TO LESS THAN A HALF MILE AT TIMES IN THE ADVISORY
AREA.

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF WINTER
PRECIPITATION MAY CAUSE TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR LOW
VISIBILITIES AND SLIPPERY ROADS. IF TRAVEL IS NECESSARY...PLEASE
PLAN ON SOME DELAYS AND USE CAUTION.
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RE: 878

The Chineese won't give an inch. It's what I've been preaching all along. So why bankrupt our country in a futile attempt to reduce carbon emissions?
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