The uncertain legacy of Copenhagen

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 8:39 PM GMT on December 22, 2009

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The Copenhagen (COP15) climate summit is over, and leaves an uncertain legacy. What was accomplished in Copenhagen was far outweighed by what was not accomplished. While the final Copenhagen Accord affirmed that we must hold the warming of our planet below 2°C above pre-industrial levels by 2100 to avert dangerous climate change, no timetable for accomplishing that goal was specified. The promises made by the various nations at the summit would likely lead to a 3.9°C warming of the planet, according to an analysis by MIT's Sustainability Institute. Copenhagen did demonstrate that the hype preceding the talks was not undeserved--the stakes involved are huge, and we have an epic political battle on our hands that will afford high drama in 2010. Probably the best summary of the political battle at Copenhagen was posted by author Mark Lynas on the UK Guardian's web site. The title of the article was, "How do I know China wrecked the Copenhagen deal? I was in the room".

The leaders for greenhouse gas reductions
While the Copenhagen Summit made it clear that the coming battle will feature the U.S. and China, the voices of two tiny island nations--Tuvalu and The Maldives--will be important as well. When ranked by percentage of population located near the coast at an elevation of ten meters or less, the top five spots are held by small island nations with more than 90% of their population in this Low Elevation Coastal Zone--the Maldives, Marshall Islands, Tuvalu, Cayman Islands, and Turks and Caicos Islands (McGranahan et al., 2007). The very existence of these island nations are threatened by sea level rise due to climate change. The leaders of Tuvalu and The Maldives brought considerable attention to their plight at the Copenhagen conference, and President Mohamed Nasheed of the Maldives, in particular, has made his tiny country a force to be reckoned with in the coming battle.


Figure 1. President Mohamed Nasheed of the Maldives, Vice President Dr Mohamed Waheed and 11 cabinet ministers donned scuba gear and submerged 4 meters below the surface of sea to hold the world's first underwater cabinet meeting on October 17, 2009, in order to dramatize the threat sea level rise poses to their country.

The leaders against greenhouse gas reductions
Canada has joined Saudi Arabia as a leading voice against efforts to control emissions of greenhouse gases. According to The Climate Change Performance Index (CCPI), which is published annually by Germanwatch and CAN-Europe, Canada ranks second to last in climate policy and in overall efforts to tackle climate change, among the 57 industrialized countries and emerging economies that together account for more than 90 per cent of global energy-related CO2 emissions. Canada's national statement at COP15 featured no commitments of money or targets to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and Canada also lobbied to change the "base" year from when emission reductions should be computed from 1990 to 2006. Croatia was the only other country to support Canada's position. The notorious political pranksters The Yes Men dramatized Canada's position by issuing a phony press release during COP15 claiming that Canada had come to its senses and was now going to work toward a 40 per cent cut in greenhouse gas emissions, the type of cut scientists say is necessary if we are to avoid dangerous warming of more than 2°C over pre-industrial levels. Canadian reporters immediately recognized the news release as a hoax. Canadian politics is heavily dominated by the fossil fuel industry, and Canadian reporters immediately saw the impossibility of the Canadian government performing an about-face on climate policy.


Figure 2. The top ten and bottom ten performing countries on the Climate Change Performance Index (CCPI), published annually by Germanwatch and CAN-Europe to rank the efforts to combat climate change of the 57 industrialized countries and emerging economies that together account for more than 90 per cent of global energy-related CO2 emissions. The ranking system factors in three scores: the emissions level (CO2 per primary energy unit, primary energy unit per GDP, and primary energy unit per capita); the emissions trend (whether emissions are rising or falling), and a subjective rating of the nation's national and international climate policy. Tall bars indicate a higher ranking, and thin bars represent a poor ranking. None of the 57 countries were doing enough to keep global warming below 2°C, so the top three spots on the list were left blank. Image credit: Germanwatch.org.

Comparison with the battle over CFC regulations and the ozone hole
On June 28, 1974, Sherry Rowland and Mario Molina, chemists at the University of California, Irvine, published the first scientific paper warning that human-generated chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) could cause serious harm to Earth's protective ozone layer (Molina and Rowland, 1974). They calculated that if CFC production continued to increase at the going rate of 10%/year until 1990, then remain steady, CFCs would cause a global 5 to 7 percent ozone loss by 1995 and 30 - 50% loss by 2050.

They warned that the loss of ozone would significantly increase the amount of skin-damaging ultraviolet UV-B light reaching the surface, greatly increasing skin cancer and cataracts. The loss of stratospheric ozone could also significantly cool the stratosphere, potentially causing destructive climate change. Although no stratospheric ozone loss had been observed yet, CFCs should be banned, they said. A huge international political battle ensued, one that eerily echoes many of the same themes as the battle over global warming. In a 1984 interview in The New Yorker, Dr. Rowland concluded, "Nothing will be done about this problem until there is further evidence that a significant loss of ozone has occurred. Unfortunately, this means that if there is a disaster in the making in the stratosphere we are probably not going to avoid it." These prophetic words were proved true the very next year with the discovery of the Antarctic ozone hole. Speedy action to save the planet from potentially disastrous loss of the ozone layer was realized with the swift implementation of the Montreal Protocol two years later, though.

As was the case with the battle over the CFCs and the ozone layer, I expect it will take a obvious imminent climate change disaster to motivate governments to take strong action. I believed in September 2007 that such an event had occurred, when the Arctic ice cap lost more than half of its area, compared to levels observed in the early 1950s. I was astounded at the nonchalance the event earned in the press and among politicians. But, in hindsight I should not have been surprised, since the stakes are very much higher than the battle to ban CFCs--now we are talking about the fossil fuel industry, the very basis for our modern industrialized society. A very big, very obvious disaster in the making will probably be needed to motivate strong enough action to make a major difference in CO2 emissions. Our climate is certainly capable of generating such an event in the coming decade. Unfortunately, if we wait until a disaster is obviously imminent, we will have far less time to prevent a climate disaster than we had for the ozone depletion crisis. The lifetime of CFCs in the atmosphere is 50 - 140 years, but a substantial portion of the CO2 put in the air stays for thousands of years. According to the 2007 IPCC report, "About 50% of a CO2 increase will be removed from the atmosphere within 30 years, and a further 30% will be removed within a few centuries. The remaining 20% may stay in the atmosphere for many thousands of years."

References
McGranahan, G., D. Balk, and B. Anderson, 2007, "The rising tide: assessing the risks of climate change and human settlements in low elevation coastal zones", Environment & Urbanization, 19(1), 17-37.

Molina, M.J., and F.S. Rowland, "Stratospheric Sink for Chlorofluoromethanes: Chlorine Atom-Catalyzed Destruction of Ozone", Nature 249, 810-812, 1974.

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Nice, I have a honeywell t-924. It has just about everything on it. What software do you have to link it to the internet. I have weather display, had this for a couple of yrs. Like to know what other people use.
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Quoting severstorm:
bordonaro, hi what brand weather station did you get from Santa?


LaCrosse Model WS-1910TWC-IT. It tells you the wind speed/gusts, temp in/out, windchill, dewpoint out, barometer, plus max/min for temp, wind speed/gusts, wind chill, barometer.

It does not have a rain gage, which I will buy seperately or a wind rose, to indicate direction, but that's no biggie!
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1236. Patrap
The Boxer Day Tsunamni,5 years later.
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Skypeony, that was an awesone satellite pic of the Great Noreaster that hit the E Coast, that storm is forecast to hit Northern Farnce on Thursday 12-31-09, see link below:

Link
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bordonaro, hi what brand weather station did you get from Santa?
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1233. Patrap
How does the Exxon Valdez incident,which claimed Zero Human Lives,..compare to a Natural Disaster that claimed 230,000 Human Lives in 14 countries?

It dont.

Also,,it was a tug that ran aground on the reef..hardly a "ship".

Mile-long sheen spreads near disabled tugboat

The tug Pathfinder is surrounded by a spill containment boom Thursday, Dec. 24, 2009, in Prince William Sound, Alaska. The Pathfinder, a 136-foot tug scouting for ice along Prince William Sound's oil shipping lanes near Valdez, Alaska, grounded on Bligh Reef on Wednesday. (AP Photo/Anchorage Daily News, Marc Lester)
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1232. barbamz
Quoting Grothar:


Sie wohnen ja in Mainz, nicht wahr?

What are they saying about the forecast? Your English is quite good, by the way!


Mixed weather, with some forecast uncertainty on the long range.
Yes, I live very well in the mid of Mainz in the shadow of a thousand years old cathedral.
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Quoting Patrap:
WORLD NEWS:
December 26th, 2009
Magnitude 6.7 Quake Hits Indonesia On 5th Anniversary Of Asian Tsunami

Quoting AstroHurricane001: That reminds me. On December 24, a ship ran aground on the same reef where the Exxon Valdez oil spill occurred 20 years 9 months earlier, spilling diesel fuel in the area. The residents of Cordova, Alaska are still recovering from the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill.

It's all just too weird. Could drive a person to rum-soaked fruitcake.

H. G. Wells:
History is a race between education and catastrophe.
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1230. Skyepony (Mod)
The last Nor'easter racing across the Atlantic..

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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
the only bad part is we got jan feb and march of this nino yet to come and late jan feb is the souths severe season and at the moment looks like intense could be an normal thing for next little while


The last big storm that moved through on 12/23 through 12/24/09 caused 25 total tornadoes (nailed that one right on the head) and Snow/Blizzard conditions in TX. WHO KNOWS what the next one will have in store?
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1228. Drakoen
12z Euro:

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1227. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
Quoting Bordonaro:


True, however all the pieces to the puzzle are in place, with the positive PNA and negative AO and AOI. What an EL NINO, huh??
the only bad part is we got jan feb and march of this nino yet to come and late jan feb is the souths severe season and at the moment looks like intense could be an normal thing for next little while
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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
models are having some issues but over the next day or so i am sure things will work out looks like a storm just offshore runnin up the coast from sc north to maine for new years but like always models can and will change in the final depiction of any one event


True, however all the pieces to the puzzle are in place, with the positive PNA and negative AO and AOI. What an EL NINO, huh??
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Quoting Patrap:




WORLD NEWS:
December 26th, 2009
Magnitude 6.7 Quake Hits Indonesia On 5th Anniversary Of Asian Tsunami

Windsor Genova - AHN News Writer

Jakarta, Indonesia (AHN) - A 6.7 magnitude undersea earthquake shook Indonesia's Maluku Island on Saturday as the country was commemorating the deadly Asian tsunami of 2004. There were no immediate reports of injury and damage.

The Indonesian Meteorology and Geophysics Agency and the U.S. Geological Survey pinpointed the epicenter of the quake at 35 miles deep, 165 miles north of Saumlaki and 1,680 miles east of Jakarta, the capital. The epicenter was too deep to cause a tsunami.

Residents of Saumlaki panicked during the earthquake and a power outage occured.


That reminds me. On December 24, a ship ran aground on the same reef where the Exxon Valdez oil spill occurred 20 years 9 months earlier, spilling diesel fuel in the area. The residents of Cordova, Alaska are still recovering from the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill.
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1224. Grothar
Quoting barbamz:


I cannot see something very serious impending, at least in Germany. No warnings until now.


Sie wohnen ja in Mainz, nicht wahr?

What are they saying about the forecast? Your English is quite good, by the way!
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1223. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod)
Quoting Bordonaro:
1217. Looks like the Northeast and the Mid Atlantic states will experience a Ney Years Snowstorm!
models are having some issues but over the next day or so i am sure things will work out looks like a storm just offshore runnin up the coast from sc north to maine for new years but like always models can and will change in the final depiction of any one event
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1222. Drakoen
Quoting Bordonaro:
1217. Looks like the Northeast and the Mid Atlantic states will experience a Ney Years Snowstorm!


Looks like major snow storm New Years day into New Years weekend. The teleconnections are once again favorable for a significant event: strongly negative AO and NAO and a positive PNA. Positive height anomalies over Canada and negative height anomalies over the eastern U.S.
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1217. Looks like the Northeast and the Mid Atlantic states will experience a New Years Snowstorm!
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


The good ol' boys and their new toys... we will forever after this know the weather in Arlington, TX. Oh well, I'm sure it'll be more reliable than TWC and J.B.


You know, us 48 yr olds act like they're 3 when we get a new toy we REALLY like :0)!!

Oh, now in SE Arlington, TX at 12:28PM CST it's Sunny, 48F, Rel Hum is 37%, Dew Point is 23F, Calm winds and the Baro Pressure is 30.11" and falling :0)
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1219. barbamz
Food waste turns stomachs in environmental circles

BTW, our traditional german meal at Christmas Eve - carp - with nooo leftovers ...

Modified: Sorry, the link didn't work
http://www.marions-kochbuch.de/dru-pic/0595.jpg
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1218. Patrap




WORLD NEWS:
December 26th, 2009
Magnitude 6.7 Quake Hits Indonesia On 5th Anniversary Of Asian Tsunami


Windsor Genova - AHN News Writer

Jakarta, Indonesia (AHN) - A 6.7 magnitude undersea earthquake shook Indonesia's Maluku Island on Saturday as the country was commemorating the deadly Asian tsunami of 2004. There were no immediate reports of injury and damage.

The Indonesian Meteorology and Geophysics Agency and the U.S. Geological Survey pinpointed the epicenter of the quake at 35 miles deep, 165 miles north of Saumlaki and 1,680 miles east of Jakarta, the capital. The epicenter was too deep to cause a tsunami.

Residents of Saumlaki panicked during the earthquake and a power outage occured.
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1217. Drakoen
UPDATED MORNING PRELIMS ARE READJUSTED SOMEWHAT IN TIMING AND
POTENTIAL INTENSITY FROM EARLIER NIGHT THOUGHTS. LAST WEEKS
SIMILAR GULF/ATLC COAST SYSTEM WAS POORLY FORECAST BY MODEL
GUIDANCE AT LONGER RANGES AND NOT UNTIL THE SHORT RANGE WAS IT
HANDLED WELL. OVERALL GUIDANCE OF ALL MODELS WAS SLOW. TDAS GFS
RUNS EMPHASIZE A FLAT SHORTWAVE EXITING INTO THE EAST COAST/WEST
ATLC RIDGE INDUCING OFF SHORE MID ATLC REGION CYCLOGENESIS WITH A
TRACK NEWD SOUTH OF THE 40/70 BENCHMARK. 12Z/25/00Z 26E ECMWF RUNS
AND ENSEMBLES WAIT FOR THE MAIN MID LEVEL TROF WITH LOWER HT
ANOMALIES TO BRING IN GREATER HT FALLS ACROSS THE GULF COAST. AS
THE MORE AMPLIFIED MID LEVEL TROF SWINGS EWD TO THE SOUTH ATLC
COAST ADDITIONAL HT FALLS OCCUR AS A POLAR TROF DROPS INTO THE OH
VALLEY WITH PHASING POTENTIAL INTO A CLOSED MID LEVEL LOW OVER THE
MID ATLC REGION ROTATING UP THE NORTHEAST COAST SATURDAY. LAST TWO
RUNS AND ENSEMBLE AGREE ON THIS SOLUTION. BASED ON THE PERSISTENT
STRONG NEG AO/NAO...A MEAN PNA AND A CLOSED MID LEVEL LOW EAST
OF NEWFOUNDLAND NEAR 50N/50W IT SEEMS INGREDIENTS ARE IN PLACE FOR
AT LEAST A SIGNIFICANT NORTHEAST SNOW STORM WITH SOME MID ATLC
INTRUSION OF COLDER PCPN.
SEVERAL PERSISTENT COMPOSITE ANALOG
DATES FOR THE PATTERN EXPECTED BETWEEN DAYS 6-10 ARE FOR JAN 1996
AND 1961. DATES OF SIGNIFICANT EAST COAST STORMS WITH PERHAPS NOT
AS MUCH COLD AIR IN PLACE AS THOSE AHEAD OF THIS SYSTEM. OVERALL
TREND/DATES OF THE COMPOSITE ANALOGS HAVE BEEN FOR PAST STRONG
ARCTIC OUTBREAKS PENTRATING VERY FAR SOUTH AS CURRENTLY SEEN IN
ALL OF MODELS AND MEANS BY NEXT WEEKEND. HIGHEST CONFIDENCE ON
COLD AIR OUTBREAK SET UP. RESERVED FAIR CONFIDENCE ON
TIMING/TRACK/INTENSITY OF A COASTAL LOW AFFECTING THE EAST COAST
OVER NEW YEARS WEEKEND.


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Here's another recent 24 hour loop of the nor'easter. The original low center starts near the Azores, then the second center comes off New England, merges with the Caribbean flare-up and heads for Europe. So that's five storms in Europe from one nor'easter in a week.

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1215. Patrap
The forgotten and those who would rather forget
December 26, 2009

Five years on, there are victims of the Boxing Day tsunami still unidentified, writes Ben Doherty.

THEY LIE, unknown and unclaimed, in a refrigerated shipping container in a neglected corner of a once-busy morgue, forgotten by all but a few forensics experts, and the few families still seeking answers.

They are 388 bodies, lives claimed by the Boxing Day tsunami half a decade ago, whose names have never been known.

They belong to no one.

In the immediate aftermath of the 2004 tsunami thousands of bodies were brought here, to Bang Maruan cemetery in Thailand's Phang Nga province, to be identified, claimed by loved ones, and taken away to be laid to rest.
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1214. Patrap
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Quoting Grothar:


Traditional Italian Christmas Eve dinner, yesterday, German and mixed American: Fresh Ham, (a lot of people don't know what that is. 5 hour sauerkraut, Kartoffeln, Spätzle, stuffed goose eggs, with gaffelbite, German Anise cake and Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte (Black forest cake) made by a friend.


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1212. barbamz
Quoting Grothar:


Hope they don't blame us for that one. Big storm!!


I cannot see something very serious impending, at least in Germany. No warnings until now.
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Quoting Bordonaro:
12NOON 12-26-09 SE Arlington, TX, my backyard weather station:


The good ol' boys and their new toys... we will forever after this know the weather in Arlington, TX. Oh well, I'm sure it'll be more reliable than TWC and J.B.
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1210. Drakoen
ECMWF shows a major storm for next weekend for the mid-Atlantic and Northeast:





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12NOON 12-26-09 SE Arlington, TX, my backyard weather station:

Sunny

Temp: 47F
Rel Hum: 38%
Dew Pt: 24F
Wind: NW 4 gust 6MPH
Baro Press: 30.13" and falling

I don't think the French will blame us, but they're gonna get it BAD!! Again.

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1208. Grothar
Quoting Bordonaro:


Ok, fixed, please try now :0)!

Link


Hope they don't blame us for that one. Big storm!!
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Quoting Dakster:
I see a nice debate is brewing here today... Did some people here get coal in their stocking yesterday??


Vegetarian/Vegan Vs. Carnivore?? LOL!

Pls. see my other post. I do so admire the former. Alas, the flesh is weak...wait a minute...not such a good metaphor.

Please don't post any baby cow pics...I don't eat veal. PETA definitely got to me on that one!

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Quoting Grothar:


Couldn't get your link to open. Want to try again. I am sure it is a good one.


Ok, fixed, please try now :0)!

Link
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Ohhhhhhhhhh, MEAT products, yes! Call it anthropological destiny...carnivorous appetite...teeth, too.
I DO admire vegetarians and vegans...I lack the resolve and willpower. Will have to find another way to reduce carbon footprint but eating the dogs is not an option, either.

What's (a) Kartoffeln (b) gaffelbite (c) "fresh" ham...not cured? Trichonosis fodder??

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Quoting Grothar:


Only some of it. Want to stop by for some leftovers? Grothar's house is always open!


; )
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1203. Grothar
Quoting presslord:


Is any of that food?


Only some of it. Want to stop by for some leftovers? Grothar's house is always open!
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1202. Dakster
I see a nice debate is brewing here today... Did some people here get coal in their stocking yesterday??
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Quoting Grothar:


Traditional Italian Christmas Eve dinner, yesterday, German and mixed American: Fresh Ham, (a lot of people don't know what that is. 5 hour sauerkraut, Kartoffeln, Sptzle, stuffed goose eggs, with gaffelbite, German Anise cake and Schwarzwlder Kirschtorte (Black forest cake) made by a friend.


Is any of that food?
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1200. Grothar
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
So, Grothar, what did the Norwegian, etc. multitudes have for dinner last night?

We had a 98% vegetarian dinner. My body can't handle all that healthy food...good thing we have no water shortage to accomodate the commode (TMI)!

What's wrong with this picture? Tofu turkey with vegetarian gravy... matzoh-ball soup with no chicken broth...

Talk about yer mixed family...
I need a STEAK!


Traditional Italian Christmas Eve dinner, yesterday, German and mixed American: Fresh Ham, (a lot of people don't know what that is. 5 hour sauerkraut, Kartoffeln, Spätzle, stuffed goose eggs, with gaffelbite, German Anise cake and Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte (Black forest cake) made by a friend.
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1194. Grothar 5:27 PM GMT on December 26, 2009

Awake, who is that woman holding the gun that you posted?

1195. Patrap 5:29 PM GMT on December 26, 2009
Dat aint no woman..LOL

OH MY! That is DIVINE, in "Pink Flamingos" of the John Waters' movies fame -- our own Baltimore film auteur. I know there are entire blogs devoted to these films. I believe he invented "Scratch and Sniff" at the movies! Oh, 'twas some stinky fun!
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I was so hungry I ate Fruitcake. And it was GOOD!
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Here's a loop (12Z Dec 21 - 12Z Dec 23) of the nor'easter that hit the US at the end of last week. At the beginning of this loop, the center of the storm is south of Newfoundland.



Notice the second storm center beginning to emerge over Vermont at the end of this loop. That's the current center of the storm over the Atlantic, which merged with the tropical flare-up over the Caribbean (the one that caused the plane crash in Jamaica). More raw satellite loops are accessible through the link in post 1188.
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So, Grothar, what did the Norwegian, etc. multitudes have for dinner last night?

We had a 98% vegetarian dinner. My body can't handle all that healthy food...good thing we have no water shortage to accomodate the commode (TMI)!

What's wrong with this picture? Tofu turkey with vegetarian gravy... matzoh-ball soup with no chicken broth...

Talk about yer mixed family...
I need a STEAK!
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1195. Patrap
Dat aint no woman..LOL
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1194. Grothar
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
Mr. B -- that would make NRAAmy SO happy!


Awake, who is that woman holding the gun that you posted?
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Mr. B -- that would make NRAAmy SO happy!
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1192. Grothar
Quoting Bordonaro:


Well, the French are gonna be cussing the USA, and the N Atlantic. Look at this loop link below:

Link


Couldn't get your link to open. Want to try again. I am sure it is a good one.
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Quoting Grothar:


I think they are called Eur'easters over there!!! LOL


Well, the French are gonna be cussing the USA, and the N Atlantic. Look at this loop link below:

Link
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1190. Grothar
Quoting Bordonaro:
P451, that Nor'Easter is going to SLAM Europe, I hope thy're watching it closely. What is the Central pressure of that, near 960MB?


I think they are called Eur'easters over there!!! LOL
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1189. Patrap

UNYSIS 10-Day GFSx is funky nuff
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After looking at Satellite image archives, the Atlantic storm is actually the merger of the second low pressure center trailing behind last week's Mideast low merging with the tropical flare-up in the Caribbean. The original storm has already sent four cyclones toward Western Europe, and this one could be counted as the fifth. The frontal systems associated with the Atlantic lows are actually sending pieces of itself outward that undergo cyclogenisis and become storms of their own. This is what Nida did in the North Pacific and the East Pacific low did to California. So while the US Midwest is getting a storm roughly once every week, Western Europe is getting an almost continuous stream of blizzards marching across the North Atlantic. This is eating away into the Bermuda High, and if it continues, it could alter the direction of the Gulf Stream.

Paris, the capital of France, gets a little snow on some winters, but not usually this early in the year. When it does snow, adults carry umbrellas and children cry (because they've never seen something like this before). Kind of reminds me of the 1999 book The Coming Global Superstorm, on which "The Day After Tomorrow" was originally based.
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