Why Southeast Greenland's glaciers have slown down since 2005

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:57 PM GMT on December 15, 2009

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I'm in San Francisco for the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union, the world's largest gathering of climate scientists. I saw ten or so great talks yesterday (and five really boring ones!) Here's a summary of the the most interesting talk I heard yesterday:

If you plan on owning ocean front property after the year 2050, you should pay close attention to the glaciers In Greenland. Greenland holds enough ice to raise global sea level by over 20 feet (6.5 meters), should its ice cap completely disintegrate--though such an event would likely take centuries to occur. Still, should the climate warm 2°C or more this century, partial melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet could readily raise global sea level by a meter or more by 2100. That's why scientists reacted with concern during 2003 - 2005, when all of the glaciers in southeastern Greenland accelerated in synchrony to speeds 30% to 210% faster than they had flowed in 1996. As they sped up, the glaciers began dumping huge amounts of ice into the ocean off the coast of southeast Greenland, more than doubling Greenland's contribution to global sea rise, to .57 mm/year. Would the glaciers keep accelerating, bringing about an increasing disintegration of the Greenland Ice Sheet? Nobody knew, since computer models of glacial dynamics were (and still are) in a primitive state.


Figure 1. Helheim Glacier in southeast Greenland, in three images captured in 2004, 2005, and 2006. The glacier accelerated significantly in 2005, and the face of the glacier retreated 5 km inland (middle frame) compared to 2004. However, by the summer of 2006, the acceleration ceased, the the glacier returned back to its 2004 position. Image credit: Ian Howat, University of Washington.

Well, it turned out that 2005 was the peak of the glacial acceleration event. The glaciers in southeast Greenland have returned to where they were eight or nine years ago--still causing a net loss of mass that is raising global sea level, but not as fast as in 2003 - 2005. In a talk titled, "Ocean regulation of glacier dynamics in south-east Greenland and implication for ice sheet mass changes", Tavi Murray and colleagues from the UK's Swansea University presented a plausible theory for why this strange synchronous speed-up and slow-down occurred. Using satellite, aircraft, and surface observations, the researchers found that air temperatures in the region did not vary much over 2003 - 2005 (Figure 2). Thus, a major increase in temperature could be ruled out as the cause of the glacier surge. However, study of the ocean temperatures near the coast revealed strong clues that ocean currents were responsible for the surge.

Figure 2. Ocean currents off the east coast of Greenland feature the cold East Greenland Coastal Current flowing north to south (white arrows) and the warm Irminger Current flowing south to north (red arrows). Image credit: Arctic Climate Impact Assessment.

Ordinarily, the southeast coast of Greenland features a cold water current flowing north to south, called the East Greenland Coastal Current (EGCC). Much of the cold water for this current is supplied by melting of the 14 glaciers in southeast Greenland that empty into the sea (two of these glaciers, Kangerdlugssuaq and Helheim, represent 35% of east Greenland's total glacial discharge). A few hundred kilometers offshore, a warm water current called the Irminger Current flows the opposite direction, bringing warm water from the North Atlantic northward. In 2003, it happened that weather conditions over Greenland brought an unusually low amount of run-off of precipitation. With little new mass pushing the glaciers seaward, the glaciers responded by greatly reducing the amount of ice they dumped into the ocean by the shore. As a result, the East Greenland Coastal Current slowed down and warmed, which allowed the warm Irminger Current to advance towards the coast, warming the coastal waters even more. All that warm water near the coast began melting the glaciers where they reached the sea, causing the glaciers all along the southeast coast of Greenland to accelerate and rapidly thin between 2003 - 2005. By 2006, the thinning glaciers had dumped so much new ice into the ocean near the coast that the waters cooled and the East Greenland Coastal Current re-established itself. This cooled the glaciers at their marine termination points and slowed down the glacial surge, putting the glaciers back where they had been before 2003. This is a classic example of a negative feedback process--a change in weather conditions which generates a response, but the response creates conditions that tend to dampen the response.


Figure 3. Average temperatures for the only station in southeast Greenland with a century-long temperature record, Angmagssalik (called Ammassalik on the map in Figure 2). Temperatures in southeast Greenland during the 1930s and 1940s were similar to today's temperatures, suggesting that glacial surges like we witnessed in 2005 may have also occurred in the 1930s and 1940s, before we had monitoring capability. Image credit: NASA Goddard.

Commentary
As I commented in my previous post, Arctic sea ice loss appears to have created a new atmospheric circulation pattern that brings more warm air in the Arctic, creating a positive feedback loop that causes even more sea ice loss. This positive feedback loop was a bad news surprise that our climate models did not predict. Now we have evidence of a good news surprise that no model predicted--a negative feedback loop that acts to keep the southeast portion of Greenland's Ice Sheet from runaway glacial acceleration. We can expect many more surprises--good and bad--over the coming decades, as our climate responds to the huge shove human activities are giving it.

Ricky Rood in Copenhagen
Our Climate Change expert, Dr. Ricky Rood, is in Copenhagen for the COP15 climate change treaty negotiations. His latest post, called Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? makes for very interesting reading on how the U.S. is "wasting its intellect and time on disruptions designed to play to people at home".

Next post
I'll have another post from the AGU meeting Thursday or Friday this week.

Jeff Masters

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I still remember back in February 2,1998 during EL NINO SEASON, THERE WAS A HUGE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM THAT DEEPENED IN THE GULF AND BROUGHT 100 MPH WIND GUST OVER MUCH OF SOUTH FLORIDA AND 3 TO 4 INCHES OF RAIN FELL.LOOKS LIKE THIS WILL BE AN INTERESTING WINTER SEASON HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA FOR THE PAST 3 WEEKS MOST OF THE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEMS HAVE DEVELOPED OVER THE GULF AND THERE HAS ALSO BEEN A VERY ACTIVE SUBTROPICAL JETSTREAM ALL INDICATIVE OF A MODERATE TO STRENGTHENING EL NINO.
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Quoting tornadodude:


Cant forget the Carolinians!

Presslord gonna' have a heart-attack...

YIKES, it's almost mid-afternoon. No "All My Children" for me. There's got to be some consequences for procrastination.

Sunny and COLD here...don't need no stinkin' thermometer.

Later, take care!
Oh, Atmo, you be DHB, too! (dark, handsome, brainy...tho' if you're wearing matching hood to your kiddo, I'm only guessing from your description!)

Blonds, redheads, I'm an EEO admirer.
Married; Not Dead!
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Quoting 1900hurricane:
12Z GFS again, just a different perspective.


Wow, that is a pretty brutal cold blast this far south.. Staying below freezing for 2 days in Houston...
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I'd rather be in Bali in December.
I think.
Cyclone season there?

Haven't read updates on Australia and thereabouts today...
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Quoting tornadodude:


thats true, having lived in north east Texas, I witnessed many drivers having problems in ice

I'm with jeffs, in SE Texas, "I witnessed many drivers having problems".
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:




Add a comma, and DC Metro drivers...especially Virginians...
Where's my neighbors? I'm so askin' for it!


Cant forget the Carolinians!
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Quoting Grothar:
In deference to the request by Awake, I shall name the number of the post rather than quote it. In reference to post #768, I believe that letter was written in 2007 not 2009. It was to address issues being brought up at the Conference in Bali. It was not a very popular conference and the information which was being provided was highly debated at the time. Not that there were not signators to the letter, but rather correcting the impression this letter was done within the past week. Such information can be misleading




Link

I think it has been resurrected, at least: http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/
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Quoting tornadodude:


thats true, having lived in north east Texas, I witnessed many drivers having problems in ice


Quoting jeffs713:

*pop*

Honestly though... just as an example, Houstonians can't drive well in perfectly clear weather. Much less snow/ice/sleet.


Add a comma, and DC Metro drivers...especially Virginians...
Where's my neighbors? I'm so askin' for it!
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Quoting jeffs713:

*pop*

Honestly though... just as an example, Houstonians can't drive well in perfectly clear weather. Much less snow/ice/sleet.


thats true, having lived in north east Texas, I witnessed many drivers having problems in ice
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Quoting tornadodude:


well arent you a bubble buster :P jk

*pop*

Honestly though... just as an example, Houstonians can't drive well in perfectly clear weather. Much less snow/ice/sleet.
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Quoting Grothar:
In deference to the request by Awake, I shall name the number of the post rather than quote it. In reference to post #768, I believe that letter was written in 2007 not 2009. It was to address issues being brought up at the Conference in Bali. It was not a very popular conference and the information which was being provided was highly debated at the time. Not that there were not signators to the letter, but rather correcting the impression this letter was done within the past week. Such information can be misleading




Link


Now, see, I DID miss that important point!
DANKE!
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


Yeah, but mine's raunchier, lol!
Suggest you use Grothar's on your term paper, esp. if prof. is a woman!

Though think she'd agree with me, secretly or not -- most handsome -- my best friend said after high school (indiscriminate crushes), my "type" became obvious, lol.

Dark and handsome -- and brainy don't hurt none, either.

OHHHH, speaking of, HI AGAIN, Bordonaro and Grothar!!

Craig Ferguson WAS AMAZING last night! One-thousandth episode, and pulled out all the stops on the puppets and bits! I have to watch again on Hulu or whatever, because I was distracted by Blog.

Song from "Phantom of the Opera" by the Count and some excellent musical assistance was great, and actually touching... then again, I'm easily touched...just plain "touched!"


haha yeah I would probably use his :P Glad to see you are enjoying your Craig Ferguson
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Quoting tornadodude:


I think I just got schooled LOL


Yeah, but mine's raunchier, lol!
Suggest you use Grothar's on your term paper, esp. if prof. is a woman!

Though think she'd agree with me, secretly or not -- most handsome -- my best friend said after high school (indiscriminate crushes), my "type" became obvious, lol.

Dark and handsome -- and brainy don't hurt none, either.

OHHHH, speaking of, HI AGAIN, Bordonaro and Grothar!!

Craig Ferguson WAS AMAZING last night! One-thousandth episode, and pulled out all the stops on the puppets and bits! I have to watch again on Hulu or whatever, because I was distracted by Blog.

Song from "Phantom of the Opera" by the Count and some excellent musical assistance was great, and actually touching... then again, I'm easily touched...just plain "touched!"
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12Z GFS again, just a different perspective.

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In deference to the request by Awake, I shall name the number of the post rather than quote it. In reference to post #768, I believe that letter was written in 2007 not 2009. It was to address issues being brought up at the Conference in Bali. It was not a very popular conference and the information which was being provided was highly debated at the time. Not that there were not signators to the letter, but rather correcting the impression this letter was done within the past week. Such information can be misleading




Link
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Quoting jeffs713:

I would like to point out that the temps are 850mb temps. Those are *not* surface temps. The surface temps are most likely higher, and for areas directly behind the front, it will take a while for freezing temps to work their way into the lowest 2m of ground.

And... also keep in mind that the precip is a 12-hour total. IIRC, the time involved is the preceding 12 hours, which means the precip may actually be ahead of the temps. (as in... it rains, and then the front passes through, and the temp craters)

Surface temps are supportive as well:




Plus Precipitation persists into the next frame as well:



Just making observations at this point (too far out to make anything more than that), but the GFS has been trending towards something interesting happening around that timeframe for several days now.
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Last Update on Dec 16, 12:54 pm EST

Fair

23 °F
(-5 °C)
Humidity: 50 %
Wind Speed: SW 5 MPH
Barometer: 30.52" (1034.5 mb)
Dewpoint: 7 °F (-14 °C)
Wind Chill: 17 °F (-8 °C)
Visibility: 10.00 mi.
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Hey everybody,has been a long time since i have not been on wunderground because there has not been any interesting weather in SOUTH FLORIDA, but this all looks to change by Thursday night to Friday night the SPC has just highlighted SOUTH AND CENTRAL FLORIDA UNDER A SLIGHT RISK OF SEVERE WEATHER, THERE ALSO SAYING THAT THERE MAY BE SUPERCELLS AHEAD OF THE SQUALL LINE AND BOW SEGMENTS OR BOW-ECHOS WITH THE SQUALL LINE.EVERYBODY SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS DEVELOPING SYSTEM IN THE GULF OF MEXICO. AB
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MY Forecast (:

This Afternoon: Sunny, with a high near 33. West southwest wind between 3 and 5 mph.

Tonight: Mostly clear, with a low around 17. Calm wind becoming southeast around 5 mph.

Thursday: Partly sunny, with a high near 38. South southeast wind between 6 and 9 mph.

Thursday Night: Mostly cloudy, with a low around 27. South wind around 8 mph.

Friday: A 50 percent chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 40. South wind around 5 mph becoming calm.

Friday Night: A 30 percent chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 22.

Saturday: A 30 percent chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 32.

Saturday Night: A 20 percent chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 22.

Sunday: A 30 percent chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 31.

Sunday Night: A 30 percent chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 18.

Monday: A 30 percent chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 27.

Monday Night: Mostly cloudy, with a low around 17.

Tuesday: Partly sunny, with a high near 26.
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Quoting IKE:
Back to the weather for a flash...forgive me....

12Z GFS @ 48 hours....

Quoting tornadodude:
NWS Indy Forecast Discussion:

INDIANA LOOKS TO BE CAUGHT BETWEEN THE HIGH TO THE EAST ON THURSDAY
AND A WEAK AREA OF LOW PRESSURE OVER THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI RIVER
VALLEY. THE SOUTHERLY FLOW SHOULD RESULT IN A CONTINUED SLOW WARMING
TREND AS H8 TEMPERATURES RISE TO NEAR 0C
. WL ALSO CONTINUE THE
INCREASING CLOUDINESS TREND AS TIME HEIGHT SECTIONS CONTINUE TO HINT
AT MID AND UPPER LEVEL SATURATION. JUST LIKE WALL STREET ON A BULL
RUN...WILL CONTINUE WARMING TREND WITH HIGHER HIGHS AND HIGHER LOWS
GIVEN THE CLOUDS AND WARM AIR ADVECTION ON THURSDAY AND THURSDAY
NIGHT.

A QUICK MOVING AREA OF LOW PRESSURE LOOKS TO PUSH ACROSS INDIANA ON
FRIDAY. AT THIS MOMENT GFS AND NAM DEPICT GOOD MIDDLE LEVEL
SATURATION AND LIFT AHEAD OF THE WEAK MOVING TROUGH. 290K
ISENTROPIC SURFACE ALSO SHOWS GOOD LIFT...BUT SPECIFIC HUMIDITIES
ARE ONLY 1 TO 2 G/KG...KINDA DRY. STILL GIVEN THESE DYNAMICS WILL
INCLUDE SOME POPS FOR FRIDAY...AND PERHAPS EVEN LATE ON THURSDAY
NIGHT. FORECAST SOUNDINGS INDICATE DRY AIR NEAR THE SURFACE AND IF
SATURATION DOES OCCUR DUE TO EVAPORATIONAL COOLING...THE COLUMN
SHOULD BE PULLED TO BELOW FREEZING...WITH THE END RESULT BEING SNOW.

IN THE EXTENDED...LONG RANGE MODELS AGREE IN PRINCIPLE ON LARGE
SCALE TROUGHING AFFECTING THE GREAT LAKES AND MIDWEST ONCE AGAIN
BEGINNING FRIDAY AND CONTINUING INTO NEXT WEEK. CONSISTENCY WITH
RESPECT TO TIMING/INTENSITY/EXACT LOCATION OF IMPULSES AND
ASSOCIATED SURFACE FEATURES/SENSIBLE WEATHER LEAVES MUCH TO BE
DESIRED. WE SHOULD SEE ONE OR MORE SHOTS OF SNOW THIS WEEKEND AND
PERHAPS EARLY NEXT WEEK...BUT IT IS A RELATIVE GUESSING GAME AS TO
EXACTLY WHEN AT THE MOMENT...THUS...WHEN LONGER RANGE GUIDANCE POPS
ARE AT THEIR PEAK...HAVE INSERTED A LOW CHANCE OF
SNOW...OTHERWISE...HAVE KEPT THE FORECAST DRY...AS SLIGHT
CHANCE/BELOW CLIMATOLOGY POPS IN THE EXTENDED DO NOT HAVE MUCH
SIGNIFICANCE. WHAT CAN BE SURMISED IS THAT TEMPERATURES WILL ONCE
AGAIN DIP WELL BELOW NORMAL.
Quoting tornadodude:
NWS Indy Forecast Discussion:

Even if it becomes an irrefutable fact that mankind has contributed to temperature rises around the globe, it will be a long time before humans can do something about it. Could protests actually hinder negotiations?
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Quoting Grothar:


rembemer your history TD. Roman conquered the British Isles and many Latin peoples settled in Ireland. For instance, Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy, the mother of the President was quite dark. Her original family name was Gheradini, I believe. Though they had been in Ireland for many generations Irish names like Kinsella and Costello and thought to be derivative of earlier Latin names. Must I teach you everything??????


I think I just got schooled LOL
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Awake in Maryland, Happy Holidays, Craig Ferguson Puppets!!

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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

OOH OOH I KNOW I KNOW TEACHER CALL ON ME!
(Acting As Annoying Class Brown-Noser...pfft)

The remnants of the Spanish Armada (think some Moors in there) landed in Ireland.

Therefore they proceeded to rape, plunder and pillage...had a great time, never left, good beer and Irish lasses...need I say more?

Makes for some HANDSOME men! "Black Irish"
Conan O'Brien, who is NOT Black Irish, is always joking with the likes of the "Dermots" as we call them...think Dylan McDermott, Dermot Mulroney...
Tom Cruise, xcept think he has blue eyes?
Matthew McConna can't spell it
Who's the famous actor from many movies? Outsiders? "Crash" -- played the bad/good copy? Arrrgghh, mental pause.


LOL I think I will accept this as a reasonable response :P
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Quoting tornadodude:


well that is quite interesting, I wonder why I am dark then Lol my family comes from England and Ireland


rembemer your history TD. Roman conquered the British Isles and many Latin peoples settled in Ireland. For instance, Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy, the mother of the President was quite dark. Her original family name was Gheradini, I believe. Though they had been in Ireland for many generations Irish names like Kinsella and Costello and thought to be derivative of earlier Latin names. Must I teach you everything??????
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Quoting tornadodude:


well that is quite interesting, I wonder why I am dark then Lol my family comes from England and Ireland

OOH OOH I KNOW I KNOW TEACHER CALL ON ME!
(Acting As Annoying Class Brown-Noser...pfft)

The remnants of the Spanish Armada (think some Moors in there) landed in Ireland.

Therefore they proceeded to rape, plunder and pillage...had a great time, never left, good beer and Irish lasses...need I say more?

Makes for some HANDSOME men! "Black Irish"
Conan O'Brien, who is NOT Black Irish, is always joking with the likes of the "Dermots" as we call them...think Dylan McDermott, Dermot Mulroney...
Tom Cruise, xcept think he has blue eyes?
Matthew McConna can't spell it
Who's the famous actor from many movies? Outsiders? "Crash" -- played the bad/good copy? Arrrgghh, mental pause.
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St. Petersburg, FL

Fair

73 F

Humidity: 76 %
Wind Speed: NE 9 MPH
Barometer: 30.13" (1020.3 mb)
Dewpoint: 65 F (18 C)
Visibility: 10.00 mi.

Nice!!!
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Quoting jeffs713:

I would like to point out that the temps are 850mb temps. Those are *not* surface temps. The surface temps are most likely higher, and for areas directly behind the front, it will take a while for freezing temps to work their way into the lowest 2m of ground.

And... also keep in mind that the precip is a 12-hour total. IIRC, the time involved is the preceding 12 hours, which means the precip may actually be ahead of the temps. (as in... it rains, and then the front passes through, and the temp craters)


well arent you a bubble buster :P jk
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Quoting 1900hurricane:
12Z GFS madness...


If verified, that would be alot of snow in my area!

I would like to point out that the temps are 850mb temps. Those are *not* surface temps. The surface temps are most likely higher, and for areas directly behind the front, it will take a while for freezing temps to work their way into the lowest 2m of ground.

And... also keep in mind that the precip is a 12-hour total. IIRC, the time involved is the preceding 12 hours, which means the precip may actually be ahead of the temps. (as in... it rains, and then the front passes through, and the temp craters)
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Quoting tornadodude:


well that is quite interesting, I wonder why I am dark then Lol my family comes from England and Ireland

I have a little color and my ancestry is Estonian, French, Cherokee, German, and a lot of unknown.
(The unknown mostly comes from paternal side...has been traced back to the 1820s in Illinois)

I did have that Blonde/Blue Nordic impression...which my kids show all too well.
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
825, 827.
Can't. Help. Myself. All. Too. Obvious. CannotStopSelfFromBlurtingOut:

GREAT DANES, OF COURSE!! LOL bad sign when cracking oneself up...


LOL! that was great
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I see weather makes an appearance in the blog every once in a while,glad to see it.
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825, 827.
Can't. Help. Myself. All. Too. Obvious. CannotStopSelfFromBlurtingOut:

GREAT DANES, OF COURSE!! LOL bad sign when cracking oneself up...
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Quoting Grothar:


As you have seen from my pictures on my blog, Awake, I am olive-skinned, dark hair and dark eyes. My father was blond and violet-eyed, the Italian-German-Greek side, my mother was dark, blue-black hair, Scandinavian and German side. Go figure. I only have to use SP15. Lucky me. A common misconception is that most Scandinavian and blonde and blue-eyed, not true. Although the percentage is slightly higher in Nordic countries, you will find quite a variety.


well that is quite interesting, I wonder why I am dark then Lol my family comes from England and Ireland
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


OH STOP! I would have said OH, GET OVER YOURSELF, MARY! but the Borg, I mean Blob, I mean Blog, doesn't always "get" us, does it Grothar?... and then we have to apologize and cover each other's proverbial butts.

So what SPF do YOU have to use, Nordic/Teutonic/Aryan guy? 80? I do so love my Masters!

(I have to use SPF 30 tops! That's just for vanity and extra-protection...will fight time 'til I croak. Some olive on my Dad's side, not sure who conquered whom...Mom's side fairest-of-the-fair, redhead, HIGH German, HeHe)!


As you have seen from my pictures on my blog, Awake, I am olive-skinned, dark hair and dark eyes. My father was blond and violet-eyed, the Italian-German-Greek side, my mother was dark, blue-black hair, Scandinavian and German side. Go figure. I only have to use SP15. Lucky me. A common misconception is that most Scandinavian and blonde and blue-eyed, not true. Although the percentage is slightly higher in Nordic countries, you will find quite a variety.
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825. Prolly sumpin' like this
(scroll down for full fear-of-dog goodness)

Danish Police Service Dog


not this

Global Warming cause Static Dog

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NWS Indy Forecast Discussion:

INDIANA LOOKS TO BE CAUGHT BETWEEN THE HIGH TO THE EAST ON THURSDAY
AND A WEAK AREA OF LOW PRESSURE OVER THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI RIVER
VALLEY. THE SOUTHERLY FLOW SHOULD RESULT IN A CONTINUED SLOW WARMING
TREND AS H8 TEMPERATURES RISE TO NEAR 0C
. WL ALSO CONTINUE THE
INCREASING CLOUDINESS TREND AS TIME HEIGHT SECTIONS CONTINUE TO HINT
AT MID AND UPPER LEVEL SATURATION. JUST LIKE WALL STREET ON A BULL
RUN...WILL CONTINUE WARMING TREND WITH HIGHER HIGHS AND HIGHER LOWS
GIVEN THE CLOUDS AND WARM AIR ADVECTION ON THURSDAY AND THURSDAY
NIGHT.

A QUICK MOVING AREA OF LOW PRESSURE LOOKS TO PUSH ACROSS INDIANA ON
FRIDAY. AT THIS MOMENT GFS AND NAM DEPICT GOOD MIDDLE LEVEL
SATURATION AND LIFT AHEAD OF THE WEAK MOVING TROUGH. 290K
ISENTROPIC SURFACE ALSO SHOWS GOOD LIFT...BUT SPECIFIC HUMIDITIES
ARE ONLY 1 TO 2 G/KG...KINDA DRY. STILL GIVEN THESE DYNAMICS WILL
INCLUDE SOME POPS FOR FRIDAY...AND PERHAPS EVEN LATE ON THURSDAY
NIGHT. FORECAST SOUNDINGS INDICATE DRY AIR NEAR THE SURFACE AND IF
SATURATION DOES OCCUR DUE TO EVAPORATIONAL COOLING...THE COLUMN
SHOULD BE PULLED TO BELOW FREEZING...WITH THE END RESULT BEING SNOW.

IN THE EXTENDED...LONG RANGE MODELS AGREE IN PRINCIPLE ON LARGE
SCALE TROUGHING AFFECTING THE GREAT LAKES AND MIDWEST ONCE AGAIN
BEGINNING FRIDAY AND CONTINUING INTO NEXT WEEK. CONSISTENCY WITH
RESPECT TO TIMING/INTENSITY/EXACT LOCATION OF IMPULSES AND
ASSOCIATED SURFACE FEATURES/SENSIBLE WEATHER LEAVES MUCH TO BE
DESIRED. WE SHOULD SEE ONE OR MORE SHOTS OF SNOW THIS WEEKEND AND
PERHAPS EARLY NEXT WEEK...BUT IT IS A RELATIVE GUESSING GAME AS TO
EXACTLY WHEN AT THE MOMENT...THUS...WHEN LONGER RANGE GUIDANCE POPS
ARE AT THEIR PEAK...HAVE INSERTED A LOW CHANCE OF
SNOW...OTHERWISE...HAVE KEPT THE FORECAST DRY...AS SLIGHT
CHANCE/BELOW CLIMATOLOGY POPS IN THE EXTENDED DO NOT HAVE MUCH
SIGNIFICANCE. WHAT CAN BE SURMISED IS THAT TEMPERATURES WILL ONCE
AGAIN DIP WELL BELOW NORMAL.
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825. IKE
"""(CNN) -- Danish police made around 250 arrests in Copenhagen Wednesday morning as an organized demonstration against the U.N. climate talks converged on the Bella Center ahead of crucial negotiations at the COP15 summit.

Kristina Larsen, a spokeswoman for Climate Justice Action (CJA) -- the group organizing the protest -- told CNN that police have used pepper spray and dogs to contain the protests.

Around 3,000 activists convened at two railway stations in the Danish capital early on Wednesday and began their march towards the Bella Center -- the scene of the climate talks.""".....


Dogs? LOL....what kind of dogs....pit-bulls????LOL.....
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Quoting 1900hurricane:
What the heck??? This is the third blog I killed within 10 minutes...

LOL. Don't take it personally -- it's a busy time of year!

Shout out to the blog in general...today one of my neighbors has to have one of his dogs put to a blessed rest...they fought the best fight...and I just got an e-mail that we've lost another neighborhood canine love.

We take our beloved pets very seriously in our "Village" -- seriously, our neighborhood is called Long Branch Village, even though we are right outside DC. We have lots of rescues, or relatives of earlier pets...
We have wonderful parks, playgrounds, and walking trails...we are either by nature or by "osmosis" environmentalists, animal lovers, earthy-crunchies, though I think most of us remain pragmatists with two-feet planted firmly on terra firma and often with tongue deep-in-cheek.

Well, I do go on. Just might not be around so much...I have condolence cards to buy and visits to make...maybe some more chicken soup...

Continuing Seasons' Greetings to All!
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Well, if this is any consolation, at least us bloggers at WU stick togther, through "thick and thin"! Wish the rest of the Copnhagen group could sat the same:

Climate talks deadlocked as clashes erupt outside (AP)
AP - The 10-day-old climate talks ran into disputes and paralysis as they entered a critical stage Wednesday, just two days before President Barack Obama and more than 100 other national leaders hope to sign a historic agreement to fight global warming.
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Quoting Bordonaro:


IF that verifies, we are looking at record snowfalls for parts of TX, LA, MS, AL, perhaps FL!!!!


Good day everyone.

Yes, that would be a potential winter storm for the ages in those areas for sure. That is an impressive model run, and if the GFS continues to indicate this by the first of next week, then we can really take it serious.

We shall wait and see!
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Quoting 1900hurricane:
What the heck??? This is the third blog I killed within 10 minutes...


PSST! It is a WU winter GW blog. People float in and out like the tides. You haven't killed anything :0)!
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Quoting 1900hurricane:
12Z GFS madness...


If verified, that would be alot of snow in my area!


IF that verifies, we are looking at record snowfalls for parts of TX, LA, MS, AL, perhaps FL!!!!
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What the heck??? This is the third blog I killed within 10 minutes...
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12Z GFS madness...


If verified, that would be alot of snow in my area!
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Quoting Bordonaro:


He can bookmark this on his somputer, NWS Dallas-Ft Worth, TX:

Link


ok cool, thanks!
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Quoting tornadodude:


dang! haha yeah the kicker for Purdue's football team is from Grand Prairie and he always asks me what it is supposed to be like in that are haha


He can bookmark this on his somputer, NWS Dallas-Ft Worth, TX:

Link
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