EPA rules greenhouse gases threaten public health; winter storm pounds U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:03 PM GMT on December 08, 2009

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In a press release yesterday the EPA announced: "After a thorough examination of the scientific evidence and careful consideration of public comments, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced today that greenhouse gases (GHGs) threaten the public health and welfare of the American people. The ruling comes in response to the 2007 U.S. Supreme Court decision that GHGs fit within the Clean Air Act definition of air pollutants, and paves the way for the EPA to regulate CO2 as a pollutant. In the event Congress does not pass legislation to limit greenhouse gas emissions, the EPA now has the power to do that on its own. In the words of the press release, "President Obama and Administrator Jackson have publicly stated that they support a legislative solution to the problem of climate change and Congress. efforts to pass comprehensive climate legislation. However, climate change is threatening public health and welfare, and it is critical that EPA fulfill its obligation to respond to the 2007 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that determined that greenhouse gases fit within the Clean Air Act definition of air pollutants." The first EPA rule to limit CO2 would likely affect cars and light-duty trucks. Over 23% of U.S. greenhouse gases emissions are caused by on-road vehicles. Rules drafted on September 15, 2009, if imposed, would require vehicles sold between 2012 - 2016 to average 35.5 MPG.

Release of hacked emails had "organization and orchestration", UEA official says
Prof Trevor Davies, pro-vice chancellor at the University of East Angelina where the "climategate" hacked email controversy began, said in an interview yesterday: "A lot of people have remarked that it seems an unlikely co-incidence that this happened just before Copenhagen. There are indications that the people who stole this data and documents have had them for some time. They have clearly had the chance to go through them and we have had to check them ourselves. I think from the way that this has mushroomed and the very rapid responses on various blog sites, it seems to me that it has some organization and orchestration".

Meanwhile, in the U.S., the FBI is investigating death threats made against two U.S. climate scientists involved in the emails. Clearly, meteorologists involved in tornado and hurricane chasing are risking their lives in the cause of science, but who would have thought that meteorologists sitting behind a computer crunching numbers would be risking their lives? Crazy life!.

Other posts on the hacked climate change email affair
Don't shoot the messenger
Embattled UK climate scientist steps down
The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy
Is more CO2 beneficial for Earth's ecosystems?

Ricky Rood in Copenhagen
Our Climate Change expert, Dr. Ricky Rood, is in Copenhagen for the COP15 climate change summit. His post on the "climategate" affair is one of the more intelligent and diplomatic commentaries I've seen.

Major winter storm blasts the Plains and Western U.S.
Meanwhile, back in North America, it is winter. The season's first widespread heavy snow event is here, with a fierce winter storm that is the pounding the west. The storm will dump heavy snow along a wide swath across a large region of the country, from California to Michigan. The storm brought blizzard conditions and a foot of snow to northern Arizona today. Fierce thunderstorms with winds gusts up to 74 mph hit the Phoenix region, causing widespread tree damage and power outages for 250,000 people. California's Sierra Mountains recorded over 3 feet of snow, and 1 - 3 feet of snow is expected in the mountains of southern Utah and in Colorado. Up to a foot of snow is expected tonight through Wednesday across Kansas, Iowa, southern Minnesota, and southern Wisconsin, with blizzard conditions likely in Iowa.

Some snow amounts from the storm so far (with distances in miles from the city included, where appropriate):

...CALIFORNIA...
ALPINE MEADOWS 42.0
KIRKWOOD 40.0
CISCO 5 ENE 35.0
KINGVALE 1.3 WSW 29.0
HOMEWOOD 2 SE 27.0
PROSSER CREEK RESERVOIR 24.0
FAIR PLAY 2.8 ESE 17.0
PLACERVILLE 2.9 WNW 13.0
SOUTH LAKE TAHOE 13.0
VOLCANO 5.4 NE 12.5
GRASS VALLEY 5.5 ESE 11.5
COLFAX 3.1 SW 11.0
ALTA SIERRA 0.4 WSW 10.0
SUSANVILLE 3.2 SSW 8.8
LAKE OF THE PINES 8.0
NEVADA CITY 5.4 W 5.2
FOLSOM 3.4 ESE 0.5
CARMICHAEL 1.4 W 0.3
SACRAMENTO 8.0 NE 0.1

...NEVADA...
HEAVENLY VALLEY 24.0
MT ROSE SKI AREA 23.0
CARSON CITY 1.3 NW 18.0
DAYTON 1.7 SW 13.0
RENO 7.1 N 12.0

...ARIZONA...
FLAGSTAFF 11.6
WILLIAMS 8.0
BELLEMONT 7.2
GRAND CANYON ARPT 3.0

...COLORADO...
DELTA 10.2

...UTAH...
VERDURE 8 WNW 25.0

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748. hcubed
4:35 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting Chicklit:
After the 2005 hurricane season, Bill Gray retired to devote himself to his 'global warming studies.' Hmmm....wonder who is buttering his bread now?

This is from Wiki:

"Peter Webster, a Georgia Institute of Technology professor, has been part of the anonymous peer review on several of Gray's National Science Foundation proposals. In every case he has turned down the global warming research component because he believed it was not up to standards, but recommended that Gray's hurricane research be funded.[9]"

Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia. (2009, Dec. 8). William M. Gray. Retrieved from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Gray


Strange thinking from Webster, because IIRC, it was Webster that was able to get the "confidential" data set from CRU that Jones wouldn't release to anyone else.

So it could be that Grey's AGW research wasn't up to Webster's standards because Grey couldn't get the same data as Webster.

In that case, NOBODY could get the same data as Webster. So EVERYBODY'S research won't match Webster's standards.
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747. jeffs713
4:00 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting atmoaggie:
new blog


YAAAAY!
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746. HurricaneNewbie
3:59 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
A free market system works perfectly with balanced competition. Unfortunately our free market system is not balanced. We compete with countries that have no labor laws or minimal labor laws. Do we abolish our labor laws or reduce them to meet developing nations. I believe that we should encourage other nations to increase their labor laws to match ours. Our standard of living can be kept. I am not sure of the right solution but I do know that we need rich people and that the rich people can only make more money if the working masses have money to spend.
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745. trinigal
3:48 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
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744. Skyepony (Mod)
3:44 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
atmo~ I have to disagree with you about the increased flooding events. What happened in GA earlier this year was a 1 in 10,000year event. TX in the last few years has had extreme events. 20 inches in a day over a large area is a lot more noticeable than tornadoes. Generations have lived here in ECFL yet it's only been the last 10 years when we have had extreme flooding events. By extreme flooding I mean the stuff you can see by satellite..huge areas underwater...20+ inches of rain. It's the kind of flooding you don't need radar estimates for.
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743. trinigal
3:44 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
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742. mikatnight
3:42 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Hi Awake,
Try this:
Criticism of the United Nations
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Though the UN's USA bashing was hardly what FDR intended, there has not been another world war, which was most certainly what FDR wanted to prevent. It is reasonable to believe that the UN helped in that regard. I don't believe the UN will ever be (or should be) abolished, though there is undoubtedly room for improvement (as with all institutions).

NEW BLOG!
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741. atmoaggie
3:41 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
new blog
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740. pearlandaggie
3:38 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
739. that's true...it's not a sin to make money. i think the objection comes when one is advocating the government implement a program that makes one's unprofitable investments mandatory for all. i suspect that's where the rub comes in...

oh, and calling names does little to advance one's argument :)
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739. presslord
3:33 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Last time I checked, making money is not a sin...and vigorously advocating for ones' investment interests is not only not a sin...it's the way things ought to be...you're either supportive of the free marketplace of goods, services and ideas...or you're not...many of the Flat Earthers mouth 'free market' platitudes, but are actually scared to death of the concept....hypocrisy, indeed...
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738. AwakeInMaryland
3:28 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Trinigal, where can I read about the U.N. and the abuse of children? I believe you, of course, since your story is first-hand; and that makes me heart-sick.
(However, the Wiki entry stating that the John Birch Society early on opposed the U.N. would make me want to support the U.N.!) (Add-on, EEK, 1st writing made it sound like I wanted to support the John Birch Society...NO NO NO!)
Conflicted, here!
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Peeps, while you're posting and blogging this morning, you might want to check out the channel that parades as The Weather Channel (wink). Mike Seidel's stand-ups in Iowa in the blizzard this a.m. are pretty good -- 40 mi. per hour winds, deep snow, and even the plows have been called in.
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737. biff4ugo
3:21 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting trinigal:


I dislike the UN so intensely. Having worked under the UN overseas and seen the abuse of young children at their hands (always covered up of course), I think they are a very corrupt and vile organization.

Please don't list unsubstantiated junk like that on here.
I heard they were a bunch of pickle making sorcerers (always covered up of course).
Name names, argue perspectives and opinions, point to new information, but comment 727 is just vile in its pure mud slinging. What is the weather at YOUR house?
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736. backcountry
3:18 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
You all don't get it. Follow the money. General Electric will make millions if cap and tax goes through. The oil companies will make millions if it doesn't. 1200 limos and 147 jets to ferry around the climate change gurus. Hipocracy at its finest. Science has become political and that is dangerous. Keep the politicians out of it and you might make the case for climate change.Al "I stand to make millions with my carbon credit business" Gore is the poster child for climate change. Another politician. Keep the sleazeballs out of the conversation and maybe you will become credible. And I mean all the politicians.
735. jeffs713
3:14 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting trinigal:


I dislike the UN so intensely. Having worked under the UN overseas and seen the abuse of young children at their hands (always covered up of course), I think they are a very corrupt and vile organization.

Not to defend the UN or any actions carried out by anyone holding their banner, but quite frequently, acts of abuse are not a systematic issue by the parent organization, but rather the independent actions of individuals - not the group as a whole.
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734. Bordonaro
3:13 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
STORM SUMMARY NUMBER 08 FOR CENTRAL PLAINS TO GREAT LAKES WINTER
STORM
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
900 AM CST WED DEC 09 2009

...SIGNIFICANT WINTER STORM AFFECTING THE NORTH CENTRAL AND
EASTERN U.S....

BLIZZARD WARNINGS...WINTER STORM WARNINGS...AND WINTER WEATHER
ADVISORIES ARE IN EFFECT ACROSS THE UPPER MIDWEST AND UPPER GREAT
LAKES. WINTER STORM WARNINGS AND WINTER WEATHER ADVISORIES ARE IN
EFFECT ACROSS THE NORTHEAST.

FLOOD AND FLASH FLOOD WARNINGS...WATCHES...AND ADVISORIES ARE IN
EFFECT FOR PARTS OF THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI RIVER AND TENNESSEE
RIVER VALLEYS. FLOOD AND FLASH FLOOD WATCHES AND WARNINGS ARE
ALSO IN EFFECT ACROSS THE MID-ATLANTIC STATES AND COASTAL REGIONS
OF NEW ENGLAND.

HIGH WIND WARNINGS AND WIND ADVISORIES ARE IN EFFECT ALONG THE
APPALACHIANS...OHIO VALLEY...AND LOWER GREAT LAKES REGION.

FOR A DETAILED GRAPHICAL DEPICTION OF THE LATEST
WATCHES...WARNINGS AND ADVISORIES...PLEASE SEE WWW.WEATHER.GOV

AT 800 AM CST...A 977 MB...28.85 INCH LOW PRESSURE CENTER WAS
LOCATED OVER SOUTHERN LAKE MICHIGAN WITH WIDESPREAD MODERATE TO
HEAVY PRECIPITATION FALLING ACROSS THE NORTH CENTRAL AND EASTERN
U.S. NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADARS AND SURFACE
OBSERVATIONS INDICATED THAT A WIDE BAND OF MODERATE TO HEAVY SNOW
WAS FALLING FROM CENTRAL IOWA AND ILLINOIS TO THE UPPER GREAT
LAKES REGION...ALONG WITH LOCALIZED BLIZZARD CONDITIONS. A WINTRY
MIX WAS OBSERVED ACROSS THE LOWER GREAT LAKES, WHILE SNOW WAS
FALLING FROM MASSACHUSETTS NORTHWARD. ADDITIONALLY...A LARGE BAND
OF MODERATE TO HEAVY RAIN WAS FALLING ACROSS THE MID ATLANTIC AND
SOUTHEAST STATES...WITH SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS OBSERVED IN THE
DEEP SOUTH.

...SELECTED STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL IN INCHES FROM 700 PM CST SUN DEC
06 THROUGH 300 AM CST WED DEC 09...

...IOWA...
ATLANTIC 1 NE 16.0
WINTERSET 15.0
DANA 14.0
TOLEDO 14.0
DES MOINES 5 WNW 12.7
HARLAN 1 N 11.0
CEDAR RAPIDS 10.0
CLIVE 3 SW 10.0
CORNING 10.0
PACIFIC JUNCTION 3 W 10.0
GUTHRIE CENTER 9.5
ADEL 9.0
AUDUBON 9.0
BELLE PLAINE 1 SSW 9.0
WATERLOO 9.0

...ILLINOIS...
FREEPORT 11.0
ROCKFORD 4 NW 6.0
LOVES PARK 5.5
WOODSTOCK 5.5
MOUNT PROSPECT 4.0

...MINNESOTA...
KIESTER 9.0
NEW MARKET 8.5
ROCHESTER 8.3
MANKATO 8.0
MINNEAPOLIS 6.7
LA CRESCENT 1 N 6.5
READS LANDING 1 W 6.5
PRESTON 6.3
CURRIE 4 N 5.0
FARMINGTON 4.0
OWATONNA 4.0

...MISSOURI...
ROCKPORT 12.5
TARKIO 12.0
OREGON 10.0
BETHANY 8.0
ALBANY 7.0
MERCER 7.0
UNIONVILLE 7.0
COFFEY 5 W 6.0
GILMAN CITY 6.0
SAVANNAH 5.0

...NEBRASKA...
OMAHA 6.0

...WISCONSIN...
MADISON 17.2
MIDDLETON 4 WSW 17.0
ELKHART LAKE 13.0
STANLEY 12.4
PORTAGE 3 SE 11.2
EAU CLAIRE 11.0
LA CROSSE AIRPORT 9.0
OCONOMOWOC 8.5
CORNUCOPIA 4 S 6.0

...SELECTED STORM TOTAL RAINFALL IN INCHES FROM 700 PM CST SUN DEC
06 THROUGH 300 AM CST WED DEC 09...

...LOUISIANA...
NEW IBERIA/ACADIANA 6.71
JEANERETTE 6.34
SLIDELL 5.32
BATON ROUGE/RYAN MUNI ARPT 5.04
NEW ORLEANS/MOISANT 4.60
SLIDELL 3.47
LAFAYETTE RGNL ARPT 2.43

...MISSISSIPPI...
GULFPORT-BILOXI 2.74
KEESLER AFB/BILOXI 2.43
HATTIESBURG/LAUREL 2.40
JACKSON WFO 2.18

...TENNESSEE...
MEMPHIS INTL ARPT 2.06
JACKSON/MCKELLAR 2.01

...SELECTED STORM TOTAL FREEZING RAIN ICE AMOUNTS IN INCHES FROM
700 PM CST SUN DEC 06 THROUGH 300 AM CST WED DEC 09...

...IOWA...
DAVENPORT 6 NE 0.25

...ILLINOIS...
ABINGDON 1 N 0.25

...SELECTED PEAK WIND GUSTS IN MILES PER HOUR EARLIER IN THE
EVENT...

...ARIZONA...
CHINO VALLEY 78
CROWN KING 77
DEER VALLEY 74
PRESCOTT 74
BELLEMONT 70
WINSLOW 69
SCOTTSDALE 68
CAMP VERDE 66
LUKE AFB 62

...NEW MEXICO...
MALJAMAR 78
FORT STANTON 2 SSW 77
RUIDOSO 1 SW 70
LOVINGTON 64
LAS VEGAS 6 NE 63
CLOVIS 5 N 62

...TEXAS...
GUADALUPE BOWL 105
MOUNT LOCKE 87
THE PINERY 85
FORT DAVIS 11 NW 75
SEAGRAVES 68
HART 3 N 65
NORTHFIELD 1 S 65
AMARILLO 3 SSE 64
OLTON 6 S 63
SILVERTON 7 ESE 63
LEVELLAND 4 S 61
WAYSIDE 3 NNE 61
HEREFORD 60
TULIA 2 ENE 60
TURKEY 2 WSW 60
TIMBERCREEK CANYON 59
FLOYDADA 2 NNE 58

...SELECTED STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL IN INCHES WHERE THE EVENT HAS
ENDED...

...ARIZONA...
FLAGSTAFF 7.8 SSW 30.4
JACOB LAKE 24.0
WILLIAMS 0.4 SW 20.0
BELLEMONT 19.0
GRAND CANYON SOUTH RIM 18.0
DAVENPORT LAKE 16.0
ASH FORK 4.9 SW 10.0

...CALIFORNIA...
KIRKWOOD SKI AREA 48.0
ALPINE MEADOWS 45.0
SODA SPRINGS 40.0
KINGVALE 1.3 WSW 37.0
NORTHSTAR 36.0
CISCO 5 ENE 35.0
SOUTH LAKE TAHOE 8 SSW 31.0
HOMEWOOD 2 SE 27.0
PROSSER CREEK RESERVOIR 24.0
FAIR PLAY 2.8 ESE 19.0
POLLOCK PINES 0.1 E 16.0
VOLCANO 5.4 NE 15.5
MAMMOTH LAKES 14.0

...COLORADO...
PAGOSA SPRINGS 9.1 NNW 33.0
CARBONDALE 8.2 S 24.8
CRESTED BUTTE 6.2 N 24.5
DURANGO 24.0
BAYFIELD 7 N 23.5
DOLORES 22 NE 23.0
GREELEY 2.3 SE 22.0
PAGOSA SPRINGS 3 SE 22.0
CARBONDALE 7 S 21.0
MESA 6 S 21.0
BLACK CANYON VISITOR CE 19.0
BAYFIELD 0.8 SW 18.3
CREEDE 14 SW 18.0

...IDAHO...
WESTON 4.0
POCATELLO AIRPORT 3.7
BOISE 6.7 SE 3.5

...KANSAS...
MARYSVILLE 14.0
MORROWVILLE 4 SSE 13.0
OKETO 3 W 13.0
LINCOLN 5 NE 12.0
SCANDIA 12.0
CONCORDIA 5 SSE 11.0
NE WATERVILLE 11.0
CORNING 2 W 9.0
HAYS 13 WNW 9.0
WEBBER 2.6 ENE 8.4
NORTON 0.4 N 8.2
BENNINGTON 2 SSW 8.0
SALINA 8.0
WAKEENEY 13 W 8.0
ELLSWORTH 5 SE 7.5
ABILENE 5 SSW 7.0
MANHATTAN 7.0

...NEBRASKA...
TECUMSEH 13.5
ORD 12.0
HOLDREGE 11.0
FAIRBURY 10.0
YORK 10.0
AUBURN 5 ESE 8.6
OMAHA 3 N 8.6
CRETE 8.5
BEATRICE 8.0
KEARNEY 8.0
WEEPING WATER 8.0
CALLAWAY 6.5
INDIANOLA 6.0
NEBRASKA CITY 6.0

...NEW MEXICO...
LAS VEGAS 8.4 NW 8.0
EL RITO 2.3 NW 6.0
YOUNGSVILLE 5.4 NE 6.0
ANGEL FIRE 10.2 SSE 5.5
SANTA FE 3.3 NE 5.5
TAOS PUEBLO 2.8 NW 5.2
GALLUP 8.1 NNW 4.8
TAOS 13 NW 4.0

...NEVADA...
HEAVENLY VALLEY 34.0
MT ROSE SKI AREA 23.0
CARSON CITY 1.3 NW 18.0
MINDEN 4.2 WSW 14.5
RENO 7.1 N 13.7
DAYTON 1.7 SW 13.0
SUN VALLEY 0.9 N 10.5
INDIAN HILLS 0.7 N 10.0
FALLON 0.6 ESE 9.3
SPARKS 7.5 N 9.0
SPRING CREEK 8.0

...SOUTH DAKOTA...
SIOUX FALLS 6.0
NORTH SIOUX CITY 5.3
VERMILLION 5.0
CANTON 4.0
MENNO 4.0

...UTAH...
VERDUE 8 WNW 25.0
SPRINGDELL 23.0
ORDERVILLE 19.0
NEW HARMONY 18.0
BLANDING 28 W 15.0
SALEM 1 W 14.0
BRIGHTON 1 N 12.0
HEBER CITY 12.0
OAK CITY 0.3 SSE 10.6
BOULDER 1.3 NNW 10.3
NORTH SALT LAKE 10.0
SPRINGVILLE 10.0

...WYOMING...
SAND LAKE 11.0
DIVIDE PEAK 9.0
NORTH FRENCH CREEK 9.0
SARATOGA 0.3 ESE 8.0
SOUTH BRUSH CREEK 7.0
YODER 6.5 SSE 7.0
LARAMIE 27.3 WSW 6.0
BURNS 8 NNE 4.5
ELK MOUNTAIN 2.1 S 4.4
CHEYENNE 26.7 NE 4.3
THAYNE 4.2 NNE 4.1

...SELECTED STORM TOTAL RAINFALL IN INCHES WHERE THE EVENT HAS
ENDED...

...ARIZONA...
BAGDAD 3.88
FLORENCE 9.1 NW 3.11
MAYER 0.4 WSW 2.75
PINE 0.9 SW 2.20
SEDONA 2.20
NEW RIVER 3.2 ENE 2.17
CAVE CREEK 7.7 ENE 2.06
PRESCOTT 16.2 NNW 2.04

...CALIFORNIA...
JOSHUA TREE 2.8 ENE 5.50
JAMUL 11.0 ESE 3.40
SANTEE 0.8 W 2.84
LYTLE CREEK RAWS 2.77
IDYLLWILD 1.8 NW 2.66
EL CAJON 0.7 S 2.40
HENSHAW DAM 2.36
JULIAN 2.36
POTRERO 2.27
SANTA YSABEL 2.17
LEMON GROVE 1.8 WNW 2.16
SAN DIEGO 6.1 W 2.12

...TEXAS...
GALVESTON 6.4 NE 2.25
GALVESTON/SCHOLES 2.18
DICKINSON 1.4 W 2.00


THE STORM SYSTEM WILL CONTINUE TO SLOWLY STRENGTHEN AS IT QUICKLY
MOVES ACROSS THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY WEDNESDAY.
WIDESPREAD SNOWFALL TOTALS OF 4 TO 8 INCHES ARE EXPECTED ACROSS
THE UPPER MIDWEST AND GREAT LAKES REGION...WITH TOTALS GREATER
THAN 12 INCHES POSSIBLE IN ISOLATED AREAS NORTHWEST OF THE LOW
CENTER TRACK. THE COMBINATION OF HEAVY SNOW AND STRONG WINDS WILL
CAUSE BLIZZARD CONDITIONS ACROSS PARTS OF THE UPPER MIDWEST AND
GREAT LAKES. AS THE PRECIPITATION SPREADS NORTHEASTWARD...PATCHES
OF SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN WILL RESULT IN SOME ICING OVER THE
NORTHEASTERN U.S. FLOODING WILL ALSO BE A CONCERN FOR THE NEW
ENGLAND AND NORTHERN MID ATLANTIC COASTAL AREAS...WHERE 1 TO 3
INCHES OF RAIN IS EXPECTED BY WEDNESDAY EVENING.

THE NEXT STORM SUMMARY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL
PREDICTION CENTER AT 300 PM CST. PLEASE REFER TO YOUR LOCAL
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE OFFICE FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS
EVENT.

SOLTOW
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733. pearlandaggie
3:12 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
730. good post. thanks!
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732. trinigal
3:11 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
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731. mikatnight
3:11 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
From Wikipedia:

Since its creation, there has been controversy and criticism of the UN organization. In the United States, an early opponent of the UN was the John Birch Society, which began a "get US out of the UN" campaign in 1959, charging that the UN's aim was to establish a "One World Government." After the Second World War, the French Committee of National Liberation was late to be recognized by the US as the government of France, and so the country was initially excluded from the conferences that aimed at creating the new organization. Charles de Gaulle criticized the UN, famously calling it le machin ("the thingie"), and was not convinced that a global security alliance would help maintaining world peace, preferring direct defence treaties between countries.[5]
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730. atmoaggie
3:10 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Stupid.

This is a public information statement issued by NWS Slidell (NOLA/BR):
"in terms of total annual rainfall, most of the United States became wetter over the twentieth century. Most of this increase is being expressed in extreme rainfall events, which are now more frequent and even more extreme than they were in the 1950s. In the southeast, the amount of rain that falls during the heaviest one percent of rainy days has grown by 20 percent in the last 50 years. While more moisture is generally good for agriculture and wildlife, the trend of more rainfall happening during extreme events has corresponded to more frequent and longer periods when no rain falls. This message brought to you by the National Weather Service and Earth gauge dot net."

This is dumb. In the last 50 years a number of observations sites have been added. LSU AG Center sites, NOS stations, USACE stations, NWS moved to Slidell's airport, airport ASOS sites added were: Boothville, Patterson, Houma, Hammond. More people around over a larger area.

AND, there was no radar estimated precip up until relatively recently.

So if the extreme rainfall happens to be measured more frequently, that means it has changed!?! No. Our observation capabilities have changed.

This is no different than saying that tornado numbers have gone up (no, we have more people that care in the path and radar coverage capable of detecting cloud-level spin). Also no different than saying hurricane damage has gone up due to anything but us fools putting more and more junk in front of them.

So what if yesterday's 8 inches of rainfall in those small areas (see below) had not been measured by radar and did not fall into any gauges? The assumption they are making is that it would not have happened.



Moronic.

And also right along with the mentality that we have been effectively measuring all of these weather values for a long time (like another, unnamed subject) when that is simply not true.

Disappointed that the NWS is a happy participant in this and that no one said "Hey wait a minute, we don't know that!"
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729. CaneWarning
3:04 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting trinigal:


I dislike the UN so intensely. Having worked under the UN overseas and seen the abuse of young children at their hands (always covered up of course), I think they are a very corrupt and vile organization.


I feel the same way. I know someone who does full time charity work overseas and the stories he tells me of the UN just astounds me.
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728. mikatnight
3:03 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting trinigal:


I dislike the UN so intensely. Having worked under the UN overseas and seen the abuse of young children at their hands (always covered up of course), I think they are a very corrupt and vile organization.


Do you know why the UN was created?
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727. trinigal
2:59 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
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726. RitaEvac
2:58 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
The following commentary is by Atmospheric Scientist and Hurricane forecasting specialist Dr. William Gray. Gray is the renowned hurricane forecaster and Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Science at Colorado State University (CSU).

Puncturing the Climate Balloon

By Dr. Bill Gray

December 8, 2009

Had I not devoted my entire career of over half-a-century to the study and forecasting of meteorological and climate events I would have likely been concerned over the possibility of humans causing serious global climate degradation.

There has been an unrelenting quarter century of one-sided indoctrination of the western world by the media and by various scientists and governments concerning a coming carbon dioxide (CO_2 ) induced global warming disaster. These warming scenarios have been orchestrated by a combination of environmentalists, vested interest scientists wanting larger federal grants and publicity, the media which profits from doomsday scenario reporting, governmental bureaucrats who want more power over our lives, and socialists who want to level-out global living standards. These many alarmist groups appear to have little concern over whether their global warming prognostications are accurate, however. And they most certainly are not. The alarmists believe they will be able to scare enough of our citizens into believing their propaganda that the public will be willing to follow their advice on future energy usage and agree to a lowering of their standard of living in the name of climate salvation.

Rising levels of CO_2 are not near the threat these alarmists have portrayed them to be. There has yet to be a honest and broad scientific debate on the basic science of CO_2 's influence on global temperature. The global climate models predicting large amounts of global warming for a doubling of CO_2 are badly flawed. They should never have been used to establish government climate policy.

The last century's global warming of about 1 degree F is not a consequence of human activities. This warming is primarily the result of a multi-century changes in the globe's deep ocean circulation. These ocean current changes have lead to a small and gradual increase in the globe's temperature. We are coming out of the Little Ice Age and into a generally warmer climate state. This is akin to the warmer global climate of the Medieval Period. We can do nothing but adapt to such long period natural temperature changes.

The recent 'ClimateGate' revelations coming out of the UK University of East Anglia are but the tip of a giant iceberg of a well organized international climate warming conspiracy that has been gathering momentum for the last 25 years. This conspiracy would become much more manifest if all the e-mails of the publically funded climate research groups of the US and of foreign governments were ever made public.

The disastrous economic consequences of restricting CO_2 emissions from the present by as much as 20 percent by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050 (as being proposed in Copenhagen) have yet to be digested by the general public. Such CO_2 output decreases would cause very large increases in our energy costs, a lowering of our standard of living, and do nothing of significance to improve our climate.

The Cap-and-Trade bill presently before Congress, the likely climate agreements coming out of the Copenhagen Conference, and the EPA's just announced decision to treat CO_2 as a pollutant represents a grave threat to the industrial world's continued economic development. We should not allow these proposals to restrict our economic growth. Any United Nations climate bill our country might sign would act as an infringement on our country's sovereignty.
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725. CaneWarning
2:57 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting Orcasystems:


oh oh.. that can't be good.. you agree with a Canuck


Are you in Victoria? I was up there in May. Took the ferry over from Port Angeles, WA. Lovely area.
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724. hurricanejunky
2:56 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting Chicklit:
After the 2005 hurricane season, Bill Gray retired to devote himself to his 'global warming studies.' Hmmm....wonder who is buttering his bread now?

This is from Wiki:

"Peter Webster, a Georgia Institute of Technology professor, has been part of the anonymous peer review on several of Gray's National Science Foundation proposals. In every case he has turned down the global warming research component because he believed it was not up to standards, but recommended that Gray's hurricane research be funded.[9]"

Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia. (2009, Dec. 8). William M. Gray. Retrieved from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Gray


Interesting...
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723. HurricaneNewbie
2:56 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Can we combine the bickering over GW with the game MOBSTERS. That way you can form your own mob and Hit List those that disagree. Oh am I ever bored today.
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722. hurricanejunky
2:56 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting Buhdog:
I love the low level cumulus streaming in from the south as the front will attempt to make it to Ft myers...Really wild looking as they are so low.


No fog this AM but definitely high humidity along with those cool clouds!
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721. jeffs713
2:53 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting Orcasystems:


oh oh.. that can't be good.. you agree with a Canuck

unpossible! ;)
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720. jeffs713
2:52 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting IKE:


Just a lot of arguing back and forth. Might as well copy and paste your opinion and keep posting it every hour.

Exactly.

Thats why I haven't been posting as much as I usually do in the off-season. Too many people on here are acting more like propaganda machines than actual intelligent human beings. Makes me remember why I have yet to make a blog posting on my own blog about environmental sustainability. I would be spending half my time nuking posts and banning people from the blog.
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719. HurricaneNewbie
2:51 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Good morning
Overcast
65.0 °F
Overcast
Humidity: 70%
Dew Point: 55 °F
Wind: 8.0 mph from the SW
Wind Gust: 8.0 mph
Pressure: 29.06 in (Rising)
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718. Orcasystems
2:51 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting CaneWarning:


Oh no, that means I agree with you.


oh oh.. that can't be good.. you agree with a Canuck
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717. AwakeInMaryland
2:50 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Heavy snowfall, wind pounding Midwest, New England
By LUKE MEREDITH, Associated Press Writer
(This morning)

DES MOINES, Iowa – A fierce winter storm was leaving dangerous ice, heavy snow and vicious winds in its wake as it slogged eastward Wednesday, snarling traffic and closing hundreds of schools from the Upper Midwest through New England.

More than a foot of snow was expected in parts of Illinois, Wisconsin and Iowa, where the National Weather Service warned of "extremely dangerous blizzard conditions" and near whiteout driving conditions. Wind gusts of up to 50 mph could build snow drifts between 8 and 15 feet tall.

Parts of New England also girded themselves for bone-chilling wind gusts and snow accumulations of up to a foot by the end of the day.

"It's horrible out there," said Todd Lane, an assistant manager of a Quik Trip convenience store in Des Moines, where several inches of new snow was reported overnight.

Although business was fairly normal overnight, it nearly all came from snow plow drivers — most looking for coffee and energy drinks, he said.

"Outside of the city there's 15-foot drifts and people are stuck in them," Lane said the drivers told him. "It sucks and it just keeps on coming."

In Wisconsin, as many as a dozen tractor-trailers were stuck on interstate ramps made impassible by heavy snow where I-39, I-90 and I-94 intersect near Madison, the State Patrol reported.

Blizzard warnings covered eastern Nebraska, where overnight snowfall reports of 12 inches were common, and parts of Kansas and Minnesota. Snow also fell in western and central Michigan. Schools and colleges across the region were closed.

"For the most part, we're telling people to stay home," said Roger Vachalek, a National Weather Service meteorologist in Des Moines. He said if motorists get stranded, "you might end up being out there for quite a while."

In the West, pounded by the storm's rain and snow earlier this week, bitter wind chills as low as 40 below were sweeping across portions of southern Montana. The biting winds also were moving across Wyoming and South Dakota, according to the National Weather Service.

By the time the storm moves off the Maine coast Thursday night, it may have affected as much as two-thirds of the country, said Jim Lee, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Des Moines.

"It's a monster of a storm," Lee said.

Maine and New Hampshire could see snow accumulations of 6 to 10 inches capped off by rain and sleet in the evening.

In northern New York, as much as a foot of snow was expected to accumulate Wednesday and more than 3 feet was expected by the week's end near the Great Lakes.

Hundreds of schools across New York's eastern half were closed or delayed the start of classes Wednesday. Schools also were closed in parts of Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Massachusetts.

Hundreds of flights were canceled at O'Hare International Airport in Chicago on Tuesday; all departures were canceled out of Cedar Rapids, Iowa; and only a few were scheduled at Des Moines International Airport.

The storm drenched California with rain, blanketed the mountain West with snow and brought 100 mph winds to New Mexico earlier this week. More than 20 inches of snow fell over Flagstaff, Ariz. — more than four times the record of 5 inches set in 1956.

At least five deaths were blamed on the weather, including an Arizona hunter who was killed Monday night when a large pine tree snapped and crushed him as he slept in a tent. The driver of a sport utility vehicle that plunged 90 feet off an icy road into the Texas Panhandle's Palo Duro Canyon also died.

Heavy rain hit some parts of the South with more than 4 inches reported in spots in New Orleans on Tuesday.
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Associated Press Writers Dinesh Ramde in Milwaukee, Justin Juozapavicius in Oklahoma City, Kevin McGill in New Orleans, Felicia Fonseca in Flagstaff, Ariz. and Nigel Duara in Iowa City, Iowa contributed to this report.
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716. Orcasystems
2:48 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Back to lurking :)
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715. CaneWarning
2:48 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting Orcasystems:


True, just the sentence... not the paragraph.


Oh no, that means I agree with you.
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714. Chicklit
2:48 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Link
In June 2006, the broadcast PR firm Medialink Worldwide put out a video news release (VNR) titled, "Global Warming and Hurricanes: All Hot Air?" In accompanying materials, the firm identified "TCS Daily Science Roundtable" as the client behind the segment. But Medialink didn't disclose that TCS Daily is a website published by Tech Central Station and was, at the time, a project of the Republican lobbying and PR firm DCI Group. (In October 2006, DCI sold the TCS Daily website.) Or that DCI Group counts among its clients ExxonMobil. Or that ExxonMobil gave the Tech Central Science Foundation $95,000 in 2003, for "climate change support."

...The VNR features Dr. William Gray and Dr. James J. O'Brien, who are identified as "two of the nation's top weather and ocean scientists." . . .

After many years as a respected meterologist, Dr. Gray is 80-years-old and sadly, no longer at the top of his game.
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713. Orcasystems
2:47 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting CaneWarning:


You do have a good point. So instead of the whole paragraph, you disagree with a sentence? Personally, I think the UN has served its purpose and should be done away with...but that's just me.


True, just the sentence... not the paragraph.
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712. HurricaneNewbie
2:46 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting wxfan:
:sigh: Why are you attacking the messenger, Dr. Masters? Blog sites responded quickly because that's what they do. They report news that the state-run media in this country refuse to report.


I believe you have that backwards. This is a media run state. IMHO
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711. Ossqss
2:45 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Interesting

Open Letter to Secretary-General of United Nations
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710. bophame
2:45 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Showing how the CRU homogenized data for Australia turns a century-long decline in the raw data into a rise.

http://volokh.com/2009/12/08/the-homogenized-data-is-false/

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709. CaneWarning
2:44 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting Orcasystems:


Ahh what the heck.. I might as well answer this one... you cannot make the following statement..

"Any United Nations climate bill our country might sign would act as an infringement on our country's sovereignty."

Then go screaming to the UN asking for sanctions or actions against Iran/Cuba/North Korea.... etc.

I am sure they also consider Articles from the UN to be "infringement on their country's sovereignty"


You do have a good point. So instead of the whole paragraph, you disagree with a sentence? Personally, I think the UN has served its purpose and should be done away with...but that's just me.
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708. mikatnight
2:43 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Thanks Orka (#706), well put.
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707. pearlandaggie
2:41 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
704. that's where education and instruction come in :)
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706. Orcasystems
2:40 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting mikatnight:


Hi Orka, what about the last paragraph?


Ahh what the heck.. I might as well answer this one... you cannot make the following statement..

"Any United Nations climate bill our country might sign would act as an infringement on our country's sovereignty."

Then go screaming to the UN asking for sanctions or actions against Iran/Cuba/North Korea.... etc.

I am sure they also consider Articles from the UN to be "infringement on their country's sovereignty"
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705. jrweatherman
2:40 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Has Dr. Gray released his Dec 2010 hurricane forecast yet?
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704. CaneWarning
2:40 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting pearlandaggie:
697. well, you need to change that! ;)


Guns scare me, so I try to stay away from them!
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703. mikatnight
2:39 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
A QUESTION FOR DR. MASTERS:
There is a problem with reality. It is reminiscent of a sci fi story where half the people see one thing, and the other half see just the opposite. But there is only one truth, and an incorrect decision could lead to disastrous consequences. Who should we believe? The captain, who we’ve long admired and have great respect; or the first officer to whom we owe our lives? They are both good people, but only one of them is correct. The other has been misled.
Post #639 presented by TomJonesAL of Dr. Bill Gray’s scathing condemnation of the majority of the world’s scientific community’s assessment of the current and projected trends of Global Warming can only give further pause to the average citizen who relies on common sense and the integrity of their leaders for an informed and accurate opinion. Dr. Gray is highly respected, but so too are the many members of the opposite train of thought, including Dr. Masters.
So whom do we believe? I have long wondered (and way before GW was an issue) – as have many conscientious folks around the world – what sort of impact humans have on the environment. One of the points the anti-global warmists site is that the earth is too large for the relatively small (gulp…6 billion) human population to have any major effect on climate. I have to confess that despite my “common sense” telling me global warming is surely so, there is a nagging un-assuredness that I’m completely wrong. Yet, there can only be one truth in this debate.
And that is why we debate. To find the truth. No matter how “inconvenient” for either camp. It’s what we do, what we’ve always done – and in the end (or rather, the future) the truth will be known. What we all want to know, and where we all want to be, is on the side of that eventual truth.
So I implore Dr. Masters to respond to Dr. Gray’s blog. It raises new (and old) questions on the other side of the aisle, and Dr. M’s commentary is vital to this continuing argument.
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702. Buhdog
2:39 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
I love the low level cumulus streaming in from the south as the front will attempt to make it to Ft myers...Really wild looking as they are so low.
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701. wxfan
2:38 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
:sigh: Why are you attacking the messenger, Dr. Masters? Blog sites responded quickly because that's what they do. They report news that the state-run media in this country refuse to report.
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700. pearlandaggie
2:38 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
697. well, you need to change that! ;)
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699. Chicklit
2:38 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
After the 2005 hurricane season, Bill Gray retired to devote himself to his 'global warming studies.' Hmmm....wonder who is buttering his bread now?

This is from Wiki:

"Peter Webster, a Georgia Institute of Technology professor, has been part of the anonymous peer review on several of Gray's National Science Foundation proposals. In every case he has turned down the global warming research component because he believed it was not up to standards, but recommended that Gray's hurricane research be funded.[9]"

Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia. (2009, Dec. 8). William M. Gray. Retrieved from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Gray
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698. Orcasystems
2:37 PM GMT on December 09, 2009
Quoting pearlandaggie:
694. Orca, you just have to learn to duck faster! ;)


You know me.. S&I and never wanting to say a discriminating word.... oh yeah.. and shy :)
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