EPA rules greenhouse gases threaten public health; winter storm pounds U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:03 PM GMT on December 08, 2009

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In a press release yesterday the EPA announced: "After a thorough examination of the scientific evidence and careful consideration of public comments, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced today that greenhouse gases (GHGs) threaten the public health and welfare of the American people. The ruling comes in response to the 2007 U.S. Supreme Court decision that GHGs fit within the Clean Air Act definition of air pollutants, and paves the way for the EPA to regulate CO2 as a pollutant. In the event Congress does not pass legislation to limit greenhouse gas emissions, the EPA now has the power to do that on its own. In the words of the press release, "President Obama and Administrator Jackson have publicly stated that they support a legislative solution to the problem of climate change and Congress. efforts to pass comprehensive climate legislation. However, climate change is threatening public health and welfare, and it is critical that EPA fulfill its obligation to respond to the 2007 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that determined that greenhouse gases fit within the Clean Air Act definition of air pollutants." The first EPA rule to limit CO2 would likely affect cars and light-duty trucks. Over 23% of U.S. greenhouse gases emissions are caused by on-road vehicles. Rules drafted on September 15, 2009, if imposed, would require vehicles sold between 2012 - 2016 to average 35.5 MPG.

Release of hacked emails had "organization and orchestration", UEA official says
Prof Trevor Davies, pro-vice chancellor at the University of East Angelina where the "climategate" hacked email controversy began, said in an interview yesterday: "A lot of people have remarked that it seems an unlikely co-incidence that this happened just before Copenhagen. There are indications that the people who stole this data and documents have had them for some time. They have clearly had the chance to go through them and we have had to check them ourselves. I think from the way that this has mushroomed and the very rapid responses on various blog sites, it seems to me that it has some organization and orchestration".

Meanwhile, in the U.S., the FBI is investigating death threats made against two U.S. climate scientists involved in the emails. Clearly, meteorologists involved in tornado and hurricane chasing are risking their lives in the cause of science, but who would have thought that meteorologists sitting behind a computer crunching numbers would be risking their lives? Crazy life!.

Other posts on the hacked climate change email affair
Don't shoot the messenger
Embattled UK climate scientist steps down
The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy
Is more CO2 beneficial for Earth's ecosystems?

Ricky Rood in Copenhagen
Our Climate Change expert, Dr. Ricky Rood, is in Copenhagen for the COP15 climate change summit. His post on the "climategate" affair is one of the more intelligent and diplomatic commentaries I've seen.

Major winter storm blasts the Plains and Western U.S.
Meanwhile, back in North America, it is winter. The season's first widespread heavy snow event is here, with a fierce winter storm that is the pounding the west. The storm will dump heavy snow along a wide swath across a large region of the country, from California to Michigan. The storm brought blizzard conditions and a foot of snow to northern Arizona today. Fierce thunderstorms with winds gusts up to 74 mph hit the Phoenix region, causing widespread tree damage and power outages for 250,000 people. California's Sierra Mountains recorded over 3 feet of snow, and 1 - 3 feet of snow is expected in the mountains of southern Utah and in Colorado. Up to a foot of snow is expected tonight through Wednesday across Kansas, Iowa, southern Minnesota, and southern Wisconsin, with blizzard conditions likely in Iowa.

Some snow amounts from the storm so far (with distances in miles from the city included, where appropriate):

...CALIFORNIA...
ALPINE MEADOWS 42.0
KIRKWOOD 40.0
CISCO 5 ENE 35.0
KINGVALE 1.3 WSW 29.0
HOMEWOOD 2 SE 27.0
PROSSER CREEK RESERVOIR 24.0
FAIR PLAY 2.8 ESE 17.0
PLACERVILLE 2.9 WNW 13.0
SOUTH LAKE TAHOE 13.0
VOLCANO 5.4 NE 12.5
GRASS VALLEY 5.5 ESE 11.5
COLFAX 3.1 SW 11.0
ALTA SIERRA 0.4 WSW 10.0
SUSANVILLE 3.2 SSW 8.8
LAKE OF THE PINES 8.0
NEVADA CITY 5.4 W 5.2
FOLSOM 3.4 ESE 0.5
CARMICHAEL 1.4 W 0.3
SACRAMENTO 8.0 NE 0.1

...NEVADA...
HEAVENLY VALLEY 24.0
MT ROSE SKI AREA 23.0
CARSON CITY 1.3 NW 18.0
DAYTON 1.7 SW 13.0
RENO 7.1 N 12.0

...ARIZONA...
FLAGSTAFF 11.6
WILLIAMS 8.0
BELLEMONT 7.2
GRAND CANYON ARPT 3.0

...COLORADO...
DELTA 10.2

...UTAH...
VERDURE 8 WNW 25.0

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NCEP UPDATE ON OUR DEC 8,2009 BLIZZARD:

STORM SUMMARY NUMBER 06 FOR CENTRAL PLAINS TO GREAT LAKES WINTER
STORM
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
900 PM CST TUE DEC 08 2009

...SIGNIFICANT WINTER STORM AFFECTING THE NORTH CENTRAL AND
EASTERN U.S....

BLIZZARD WARNINGS ARE IN EFFECT ACROSS EASTERN NEBRASKA AND
NORTHEASTWARD INTO CENTRAL WISCONSIN. WINTER STORM WARNINGS AND
WINTER WEATHER ADVISORIES ARE CURRENTLY IN EFFECT FROM THE CENTRAL
HIGH PLAINS AND NORTHEASTWARD TO THE UPPER GREAT LAKES REGION.
WINTER STORM WATCHES...WARNINGS...AND WINTER WEATHER ADVISORIES
ARE ALSO IN EFFECT ALONG THE CENTRAL APPALACHIANS AND NORTHWARD
ACROSS NEW ENGLAND.

FLOOD AND FLASH FLOOD...WATCHES...WARNINGS...AND ADVISORIES ARE IN
EFFECT FOR PORTIONS OF THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI AND TENNESSEE
VALLEYS. FLOOD AND FLASH FLOOD WATCHES AND WARNINGS ARE ALSO IN
EFFECT ACROSS THE NORTHERN MID-ATLANTIC AND COASTAL REGIONS OF NEW
ENGLAND.

HIGH WIND WATCHES...WARNINGS...AND WIND AND LAKE WIND ADVISORIES
ARE IN EFFECT ALONG THE APPALACHIANS...OHIO VALLEY...AND LOWER
GREAT LAKES.

FOR A DETAILED GRAPHICAL DEPICTION OF THE LATEST
WATCHES...WARNINGS AND ADVISORIES...PLEASE SEE WWW.WEATHER.GOV

AT 800 PM CST...A 992 MB LOW PRESSURE CENTER WAS LOCATED OVER WEST
CENTRAL MISSOURI WITH WIDESPREAD PRECIPITATION SPREADING ACROSS
THE NORTH CENTRAL AND EASTERN U.S.. NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE
DOPPLER RADARS AND SURFACE OBSERVATIONS INDICATED THAT A BAND OF
MODERATE TO HEAVY SNOW WAS FALLING FROM EASTERN KANSAS TO THE
UPPER GREAT LAKES. SOUTH AND EAST OF THE SNOW...A WINTRY MIX OF
PRECIPITATION WAS OBSERVED ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE OHIO VALLEY AND
LOWER GREAT LAKES. ADDITIONALLY...A LARGE AREA OF SCATTERED
SHOWERS WITH EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORMS WERE MOVING ACROSS THE
SOUTHEAST...TENNESSEE VALLEY...AND MID-ATLANTIC.

...SELECTED STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL IN INCHES FROM 700 PM CST SUN DEC
06 THROUGH 900 PM CST TUE DEC 08...

...IOWA...
DES MOINES 10.8
CLIVE 3 SW 10.0
CORNING 10.0
GUTHRIE CENTER 9.5
ADEL 9.0
ATLANTIC 9.0
AUDUBON 9.0
MOUNT AYR 9.0
WATERLOO 9.0
LEON 8.5
WINTERSET 8.5
POLK CITY 3 S 8.4

...ILLINOIS...
ROCKFORD 4 NW 6.0
LOVES PARK 5.5
WOODSTOCK 5.5
MOUNT PROSPECT 4.0

...KANSAS...
MORROWVILLE 4 SSE 13.0
OKETO 3 W 13.0
LINCOLN 5 NE 12.0
SCANDIA 12.0
CONCORDIA 5 SSE 11.0
NE WATERVILLE 11.0
CORNING 2 W 9.0
HAYS 13 WNW 9.0
WEBBER 2.6 ENE 8.4
NORTON 0.4 N 8.2
BENNINGTON 2 SSW 8.0
SALINA 8.0
WAKEENEY 13 W 8.0
ELLSWORTH 5 SE 7.5
ABILENE 5 SSW 7.0
CATHERINE 7.0
GREAT BEND 7.0
LA CROSSE 7 E 7.0
LIEBENTHAL 7.0

...MINNESOTA...
CURRIE 4 N 5.0
NEW MARKET 4.5
FARMINGTON 4.0
OWATONNA 4.0
WASECA 4.0

...MISSOURI...
OREGON 10.0
BETHANY 8.0
MERCER 7.0
UNIONVILLE 7.0
COFFEY 5 W 6.0
GILMAN CITY 6.0
SAVANNAH 5.0

...NEBRASKA...
FAIRBURY 10.0
AUBURN 5 ESE 8.6
CRETE 8.5
BEATRICE 8.0
TECUMSEH 8.0
WEEPING WATER 8.0
WILBER 8.0
CALLAWAY 6.5
INDIANOLA 6.0
LYNCH 6.0
NEBRASKA CITY 6.0
OCONTO 6.0
OMAHA 6.0

...SOUTH DAKOTA...
SIOUX FALLS 6.0
MENNO 4.0

...WISCONSIN...
CORNUCOPIA 4 S 6.0
MENOMONIE 4.0

...SELECTED STORM TOTAL RAINFALL IN INCHES FROM 700 PM CST SUN DEC
06 THROUGH 900 PM CST TUE DEC 08...

...LOUISIANA...
NEW IBERIA/ACADIANA 6.71
JEANERETTE 6.34
SLIDELL 5.31
BATON ROUGE/RYAN MUNI ARPT 5.04
NEW ORLEANS/MOISANT 4.60
SLIDELL 3.47
LAFAYETTE RGNL ARPT 2.43

...MISSISSIPPI...
GULFPORT-BILOXI 2.74
KEESLER AFB/BILOXI 2.43
HATTIESBURG/LAUREL 2.40
JACKSON WFO 2.17

...TENNESSEE...
MEMPHIS INTL ARPT 2.06
JACKSON/MCKELLAR 2.01

...SELECTED STORM TOTAL FREEZING RAIN ICE AMOUNTS IN INCHES FROM
700 PM CST SUN DEC 06 THROUGH 900 PM CST TUE DEC 08...

...IOWA...
DAVENPORT 6 NE 0.25

...ILLINOIS...
ABINGDON 1 N 0.25

...SELECTED PEAK WIND GUSTS IN MILES PER HOUR EARLIER IN THE
EVENT...

...TEXAS...
HART 3 N 65
NORTHFIELD 1 S 65
AMARILLO 3 SSE 64
OLTON 6 S 63
SILVERTON 7 ESE 63
LEVELLAND 4 S 61
WAYSIDE 3 NNE 61
HEREFORD 60
TULIA 2 ENE 60
TURKEY 2 WSW 60
SUNDOWN 8 WSW 59
TIMBERCREEK CANYON 59
FLOYDADA 2 NNE 58

...SELECTED STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL IN INCHES WHERE THE EVENT HAS
ENDED...

...ARIZONA...
FLAGSTAFF 7.8 SSW 30.4
WILLIAMS 0.4 SW 20.0
ASH FORK 4.9 SW 10.0
WILLIAMS 8.0
BELLEMONT 7.2
GRAND CANYON ARPT 3.0

...CALIFORNIA...
KIRKWOOD SKI AREA 48.0
ALPINE MEADOWS 45.0
SODA SPRINGS 40.0
KINGVALE 1.3 WSW 37.0
NORTHSTAR 36.0
CISCO 5 ENE 35.0
SOUTH LAKE TAHOE 8 SSW 31.0
HOMEWOOD 2 SE 27.0
PROSSER CREEK RESERVOIR 24.0
FAIR PLAY 2.8 ESE 19.0
POLLOCK PINES 0.1 E 16.0
VOLCANO 5.4 NE 15.5
MAMMOTH LAKES 14.0

...COLORADO...
PAGOSA SPRINGS 9.1 NNW 33.0
CARBONDALE 8.2 S 24.8
CRESTED BUTTE 6.2 N 24.5
DURANGO 24.0
BAYFIELD 7 N 23.5
DOLORES 22 NE 23.0
GREELEY 2.3 SE 22.0
PAGOSA SPRINGS 3 SE 22.0
CARBONDALE 7 S 21.0
MESA 6 S 21.0
BLACK CANYON VISITOR CE 19.0
BAYFIELD 0.8 SW 18.3
CREEDE 14 SW 18.0

...IDAHO...
WESTON 4.0
POCATELLO AIRPORT 3.7
BOISE 6.7 SE 3.5

...NEW MEXICO...
LAS VEGAS 8.4 NW 8.0
EL RITO 2.3 NW 6.0
YOUNGSVILLE 5.4 NE 6.0
ANGEL FIRE 10.2 SSE 5.5
SANTA FE 3.3 NE 5.5
TAOS PUEBLO 2.8 NW 5.2
GALLUP 8.1 NNW 4.8
TAOS 13 NW 4.0

...NEVADA...
HEAVENLY VALLEY 34.0
MT ROSE SKI AREA 23.0
CARSON CITY 1.3 NW 18.0
MINDEN 4.2 WSW 14.5
RENO 7.1 N 13.7
DAYTON 1.7 SW 13.0
SUN VALLEY 0.9 N 10.5
INDIAN HILLS 0.7 N 10.0
FALLON 0.6 ESE 9.3
SPARKS 7.5 N 9.0
SPRING CREEK 8.0

...UTAH...
VERDUE 8 WNW 25.0
SPRINGDELL 23.0
ORDERVILLE 19.0
NEW HARMONY 18.0
BLANDING 28 W 15.0
SALEM 1 W 14.0
BRIGHTON 1 N 12.0
HEBER CITY 12.0
OAK CITY 0.3 SSE 10.6
BOULDER 1.3 NNW 10.3
NORTH SALT LAKE 10.0
SPRINGVILLE 10.0

...WYOMING...
SAND LAKE 11.0
DIVIDE PEAK 9.0
NORTH FRENCH CREEK 9.0
SARATOGA 0.3 ESE 8.0
SOUTH BRUSH CREEK 7.0
YODER 6.5 SSE 7.0
LARAMIE 27.3 WSW 6.0
BURNS 8 NNE 4.5
ELK MOUNTAIN 2.1 S 4.4
CHEYENNE 26.7 NE 4.3
THAYNE 4.2 NNE 4.1

...SELECTED STORM TOTAL RAINFALL IN INCHES WHERE THE EVENT HAS
ENDED...

...ARIZONA...
BAGDAD 3.88
FLORENCE 9.1 NW 3.11
MAYER 0.4 WSW 2.75
PINE 0.9 SW 2.20
SEDONA 2.20
NEW RIVER 3.2 ENE 2.17
CAVE CREEK 7.7 ENE 2.06
PRESCOTT 16.2 NNW 2.04

...CALIFORNIA...
JOSHUA TREE 2.8 ENE 5.50
JAMUL 11.0 ESE 3.40
SANTEE 0.8 W 2.84
LYTLE CREEK RAWS 2.77
IDYLLWILD 1.8 NW 2.66
EL CAJON 0.7 S 2.40
HENSHAW DAM 2.36
JULIAN 2.36
POTRERO 2.27
SANTA YSABEL 2.17
LEMON GROVE 1.8 WNW 2.16
SAN DIEGO 6.1 W 2.12

...TEXAS...
GALVESTON 6.4 NE 2.25
GALVESTON/SCHOLES 2.18
DICKINSON 1.4 W 2.00


THE STORM SYSTEM WILL CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN AS IT QUICKLY MOVES
ACROSS THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY OVERNIGHT ON TUESDAY.
WIDESPREAD SNOWFALL TOTALS OF 4 TO 8 INCHES ARE EXPECTED ACROSS
THE MIDWEST AND GREAT LAKES REGIONS...WITH TOTALS GREATER THAN 12
INCHES POSSIBLE IN ISOLATED AREAS NORTHWEST OF THE LOW TRACK. THE
COMBINATION OF HEAVY SNOW AND STRONG WINDS WILL CAUSE POTENTIAL
BLIZZARD CONDITIONS ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI
VALLEY AND GREAT LAKES. AS PRECIPITATION SPREADS NORTHWARD...SLEET
AND FREEZING RAIN WILL BECOME A THREAT ALONG THE CENTRAL
APPALACHIANS AND PORTIONS OF THE MID ATLANTIC. FLOODING WILL ALSO
BE A THREAT FOR THE NORTHERN MID-ATLANTIC COASTAL AREAS...WHERE 1
TO 2 INCHES OF PRECIPITATION ARE EXPECTED BY WEDNESDAY EVENING.

THE NEXT STORM SUMMARY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL
PREDICTION CENTER AT 300 AM CST. PLEASE REFER TO YOUR LOCAL
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE OFFICE FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS
EVENT.

GERHARDT
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I've seen snow in the air in P'cola 10 times of so but that was the only time it really stuck. We had about 2 inches on the ground right down to the coast. Iwas in 7th grade and the roads strated icing up and they closed school early due to freezing rain. Right around dark it switched to snow. That was fun night in the neighborhood.
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Here's an interesting article on what "Hide the decline" and "Mike's nature trick" are all about. It's technical but interesting reading for those that are inclined towards such things.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/understanding_climategates_hid.html
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Sheesh,,maybe a 04 repeat..?


out 10thanustbcoldest...wasa pipe
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Research the events of Feb 8-9 1972 or 73. Big snow in Mobile and P'cola.


List of snow events in Florida


I remember couple of these.
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Quoting Bordonaro:


They will be all gone so soon!!

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LOL
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Since Dr. Master's linked to a blog on Climategate, here's an interesting read on what "I used Mike's nature trick to hide the decline" means. It's technical for those that are interested.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/understanding_climategates_hid.html
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537. Skyepony (Mod)
Oh Climate gate~ Remember yesterday..maybe Russian hackers. Today looking more like Russian ex-KGB.

This may turn out that the ones screaming ..you socialists, you shouldn't force corps & ag to stop harming us/enviroment ..while presenting stolen e-mails..maybe supporting the 'ol socialism propaganda machine.
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Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
the big snows then were in Macon GA and south of Columbia, SC with over 20" in Feb 1973



Storm I'm referencing I bet.
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Quoting tornadodude:


mail them here! Lol


They will be all gone so soon!!

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Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
the 1962 cold wave was also interesting. It gave NE FL/SE GA its only major ice storm in history. The ice line ran through southern Duval county, and was mostly pretty light in Jacksonville, although they had to close all the bridges. On St Simons, rain set in on the evening of the 11th with temps in the upper 20s, which fell to 24 by dawn on Jan 12th, with steady rain. The rain ended around noon on the 12th, and it warmed up to 35 but stayed cloudy. We had an ice accumulation over 0.8", and a lot of power lines went down.


That sounds like a differential advection situation. Warm air aloft overriding cool air in the lower levels.
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532. amd
the big winter storm is strengthening quickly in Missouri, as it tracks just nw of St. Louis. Pressure is now down to 991 mb.

Link
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Research the events of Feb 8-9 1972 or 73. Big snow in Mobile and P'cola.
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Quoting Bordonaro:


Here, have some chocolate chip Christmas Cookies, my crazy 22 & 25 yr old daughter's idea!!!



mail them here! Lol
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Quoting tornadodude:
so miserable outside

Lafayette, Purdue University Airport
Lat: 40.43 Lon: -86.93 Elev: 623
Last Update on Dec 8, 9:54 pm EST

Heavy Rain Fog/Mist and Breezy

36 °F
(2 °C)
Humidity: 86 %
Wind Speed: E 24 G 29 MPH
Barometer: 29.36" (994.6 mb)
Dewpoint: 32 °F (0 °C)
Wind Chill: 24 °F (-4 °C)
Visibility: 3.00 mi.


Here, have some chocolate chip Christmas Cookies, my crazy 22 & 25 yr old daughter's idea!!!

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Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Baton Rouge, that day.

Link


I just looked at the NARR and the high pressure center was around 1055mb centered over the southern plains region. Artic air funneled down WAY SOUTH. Rarely do you see that: 1000mb-500mb thickness of 510dm all the way down to Louisiana and 540dm penetrating the waters of the central Gulf of Mexico.

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so miserable outside

Lafayette, Purdue University Airport
Lat: 40.43 Lon: -86.93 Elev: 623
Last Update on Dec 8, 9:54 pm EST

Heavy Rain Fog/Mist and Breezy

36 °F
(2 °C)
Humidity: 86 %
Wind Speed: E 24 G 29 MPH
Barometer: 29.36" (994.6 mb)
Dewpoint: 32 °F (0 °C)
Wind Chill: 24 °F (-4 °C)
Visibility: 3.00 mi.
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Quoting spathy:
This is an affront to the constitution of the United States of America!

An agency of the US government shall not have powers over the Congress!

This shall not stand!
The quote from above is one of many straws that has broken the back of American Citizens!
Its Illegal!
It usurps the layers of Constitutional Government!

This that follows is not America!
ITS MAYHEM!

From the good DOC M.

"In a press release yesterday the EPA announced: "After a thorough examination of the scientific evidence and careful consideration of public comments, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced today that greenhouse gases (GHGs) threaten the public health and welfare of the American people. The ruling comes in response to the 2007 U.S. Supreme Court decision that GHGs fit within the Clean Air Act definition of air pollutants, and paves the way for the EPA to regulate CO2 as a pollutant. In the event Congress does not pass legislation to limit greenhouse gas emissions, the EPA now has the power to do that on its own. In the words of the press release, "President Obama and Administrator Jackson have publicly stated that they support a legislative solution to the problem of climate change and Congress. efforts to pass comprehensive climate legislation. However, climate change is threatening public health and welfare, and it is critical that EPA fulfill its obligation to respond to the 2007 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that determined that greenhouse gases fit within the Clean Air Act definition of air pollutants." The first EPA rule to limit CO2 would likely affect cars and light-duty trucks. Over 23% of U.S. greenhouse gases emissions are caused by on-road vehicles. Rules drafted on September 15, 2009, if imposed, would require vehicles sold between 2012 - 2016 to average 35.5 MPG."


Boy are you wrong. There is no usurping of power from Congress here. It is an agency coming up with it's own rules of the road. You may agree or disagree with their statement, but they are well within their rights. Same thing is done all the time by government agencies that make policies and regulations (think FAA, CDC, USDA, ATF, GSA, GAO... etc.) The making of laws (Congress) is not the same thing as making policies, procedures, rules, etc.
This is just another of those inflammatory, ill informed statements people use to back up their points and would rather try scare tactics instead of dialogue.

edit: Laws created by Congress concerning this and any other matter will override any policies and regulations written, provided the law is written properly and broaches the same issue directly.
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post 522.
The Ice-Caps are weeping.........
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Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Baton Rouge, that day.

Link

Ah, thanks. (We were accessing the same thing simultaneously!)
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513, Spathy.
Looks like it's gonna happen anyway. Hard luck, man.
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Quoting Bordonaro:


Oh, do I remember that, and about 3 1/2 million Dallas-Ft Worth, TX residents remember the morning low on Christmas Eve, -1F actual air temperature! And Galveston had several inches of snow that year!!

I like cold weather, but that was a little much...

Baton rouge Dec 21 - 25, 1989:


Did bottom out at 9...with some wind. Would have been at least a few degrees worse without it.
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post 512, Miarjz.
Yeah! Thanks.
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Quoting Bordonaro:


I'm sorry, hey, then this song came to mind :0)

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haha very nice
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Quoting tornadodude:
snow all around me :P



I'm sorry, hey, then this song came to mind :0)

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Quoting pottery:
On CNN Website, there is a video presentation, using Time-Lapse photography going back several years. Showing amazing footage of Glacier retreat, and some awesome video of gigantic glacial 'calving'.
"the Warming is in the ice" is the title.
Even if you dont believe in Warming, this is a fine presentation with wonderous photography.
Check it out.

Is this the link you were talking about?
Link

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Tornado Warning

SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE JACKSON MS
853 PM CST TUE DEC 8 2009

MSC099-159-090315-
/O.CON.KJAN.TO.W.0120.000000T0000Z-091209T0315Z/
NESHOBA MS-WINSTON MS-
853 PM CST TUE DEC 8 2009

...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 915 PM CST FOR WINSTON
AND NORTHERN NESHOBA COUNTIES...

AT 853 PM CST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS CONTINUE TO
TRACK A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO. THIS
TORNADO WAS LOCATED 10 MILES WEST OF STALLO MOVING NORTHEAST AT 60
MPH.

THE TORNADO WILL BE NEAR...
BURNSIDE BY 900 PM CST...
NOXAPATER AND STALLO BY 905 PM CST...
CENTER RIDGE...NANIH WAIYA AND LOUISVILLE BY 910 PM CST...
VERNON AND MILLCREEK BY 915 PM CST...

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A TORNADO WARNING MEANS THAT A TORNADO IS OCCURRING OR IMMINENT. YOU
SHOULD ACTIVATE YOUR TORNADO ACTION PLAN AND TAKE PROTECTIVE ACTION
NOW.

&&

LAT...LON 3282 8892 3281 8893 3282 8931 3296 8931
3322 8892 3293 8890
TIME...MOT...LOC 0253Z 247DEG 52KT 3291 8928

$$

EEC







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Quoting Drakoen:


It takes a lot to do that...

MSLP for that event:



Oh, do I remember that, and about 3 1/2 million Dallas-Ft Worth, TX residents remember the morning low on Christmas Eve, -1F actual air temperature! And Galveston had several inches of snow that year!!
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Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
a good freeze would be nice :)

But what I really want is one of these: Link

Noooooo. Those are really bad. A lot of our infrastructure was NOT meant for that.
For example, Exxon had a little problem with a propane line, cause the piping was not meant for those temps. Boom.

I think we went down to ~8 (?) in BR during that...
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Quoting atmoaggie:

Just saw this while reading back...

In fact, the wife will prolly work on it more than anyone else. A true tom-boy, her.
Loves fishing, baits her own hook, too.
Loves tent-camping, pop-ups and RVs are for wimps.
Loves white-water canoeing (rafting is for wimps, too.)
Thoroughly enjoys drag racing...and a driver and spectator.

Umm, after all that, I should say, no, she is not for sale.


aww come on! haha jk :P
Member Since: June 28, 2006 Posts: 24 Comments: 8201
On CNN Website, there is a video presentation, using Time-Lapse photography going back several years. Showing amazing footage of Glacier retreat, and some awesome video of gigantic glacial 'calving'.
"the Warming is in the ice" is the title.
Even if you dont believe in Warming, this is a fine presentation with wonderous photography.
Check it out.
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Quoting presslord:
atmo...it only takes time and money...and an indulgent spouse helps...

Just saw this while reading back...

In fact, the wife will prolly work on it more than anyone else. A true tom-boy, her.
Loves fishing, baits her own hook, too.
Loves tent-camping, pop-ups and RVs are for wimps.
Loves white-water canoeing (rafting is for wimps, too.)
Thoroughly enjoys drag racing...as a driver and spectator.

Umm, after all that, I should say, no, she is not for sale.
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Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
a good freeze would be nice :)

But what I really want is one of these: Link


It takes a lot to do that...

MSLP for that event:

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850mb temp anomalies next week:

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snow all around me :P

Member Since: June 28, 2006 Posts: 24 Comments: 8201
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Not freezing temps for highs? Though that did happen in Dec 1962.


No, but the forecast highs look well below average.
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Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
how about 2 days later after the front goes through, what are the projected highs in north Florida then?


That nice graphic only goes out to 180hours but looking at the GFS 2m temp I would say freezing conditions down to Central Florida. The 1000mb-850mb thickness is even more supportive of that but it is will a long wave off.
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