EPA rules greenhouse gases threaten public health; winter storm pounds U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:03 PM GMT on December 08, 2009

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In a press release yesterday the EPA announced: "After a thorough examination of the scientific evidence and careful consideration of public comments, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced today that greenhouse gases (GHGs) threaten the public health and welfare of the American people. The ruling comes in response to the 2007 U.S. Supreme Court decision that GHGs fit within the Clean Air Act definition of air pollutants, and paves the way for the EPA to regulate CO2 as a pollutant. In the event Congress does not pass legislation to limit greenhouse gas emissions, the EPA now has the power to do that on its own. In the words of the press release, "President Obama and Administrator Jackson have publicly stated that they support a legislative solution to the problem of climate change and Congress. efforts to pass comprehensive climate legislation. However, climate change is threatening public health and welfare, and it is critical that EPA fulfill its obligation to respond to the 2007 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that determined that greenhouse gases fit within the Clean Air Act definition of air pollutants." The first EPA rule to limit CO2 would likely affect cars and light-duty trucks. Over 23% of U.S. greenhouse gases emissions are caused by on-road vehicles. Rules drafted on September 15, 2009, if imposed, would require vehicles sold between 2012 - 2016 to average 35.5 MPG.

Release of hacked emails had "organization and orchestration", UEA official says
Prof Trevor Davies, pro-vice chancellor at the University of East Angelina where the "climategate" hacked email controversy began, said in an interview yesterday: "A lot of people have remarked that it seems an unlikely co-incidence that this happened just before Copenhagen. There are indications that the people who stole this data and documents have had them for some time. They have clearly had the chance to go through them and we have had to check them ourselves. I think from the way that this has mushroomed and the very rapid responses on various blog sites, it seems to me that it has some organization and orchestration".

Meanwhile, in the U.S., the FBI is investigating death threats made against two U.S. climate scientists involved in the emails. Clearly, meteorologists involved in tornado and hurricane chasing are risking their lives in the cause of science, but who would have thought that meteorologists sitting behind a computer crunching numbers would be risking their lives? Crazy life!.

Other posts on the hacked climate change email affair
Don't shoot the messenger
Embattled UK climate scientist steps down
The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy
Is more CO2 beneficial for Earth's ecosystems?

Ricky Rood in Copenhagen
Our Climate Change expert, Dr. Ricky Rood, is in Copenhagen for the COP15 climate change summit. His post on the "climategate" affair is one of the more intelligent and diplomatic commentaries I've seen.

Major winter storm blasts the Plains and Western U.S.
Meanwhile, back in North America, it is winter. The season's first widespread heavy snow event is here, with a fierce winter storm that is the pounding the west. The storm will dump heavy snow along a wide swath across a large region of the country, from California to Michigan. The storm brought blizzard conditions and a foot of snow to northern Arizona today. Fierce thunderstorms with winds gusts up to 74 mph hit the Phoenix region, causing widespread tree damage and power outages for 250,000 people. California's Sierra Mountains recorded over 3 feet of snow, and 1 - 3 feet of snow is expected in the mountains of southern Utah and in Colorado. Up to a foot of snow is expected tonight through Wednesday across Kansas, Iowa, southern Minnesota, and southern Wisconsin, with blizzard conditions likely in Iowa.

Some snow amounts from the storm so far (with distances in miles from the city included, where appropriate):

...CALIFORNIA...
ALPINE MEADOWS 42.0
KIRKWOOD 40.0
CISCO 5 ENE 35.0
KINGVALE 1.3 WSW 29.0
HOMEWOOD 2 SE 27.0
PROSSER CREEK RESERVOIR 24.0
FAIR PLAY 2.8 ESE 17.0
PLACERVILLE 2.9 WNW 13.0
SOUTH LAKE TAHOE 13.0
VOLCANO 5.4 NE 12.5
GRASS VALLEY 5.5 ESE 11.5
COLFAX 3.1 SW 11.0
ALTA SIERRA 0.4 WSW 10.0
SUSANVILLE 3.2 SSW 8.8
LAKE OF THE PINES 8.0
NEVADA CITY 5.4 W 5.2
FOLSOM 3.4 ESE 0.5
CARMICHAEL 1.4 W 0.3
SACRAMENTO 8.0 NE 0.1

...NEVADA...
HEAVENLY VALLEY 24.0
MT ROSE SKI AREA 23.0
CARSON CITY 1.3 NW 18.0
DAYTON 1.7 SW 13.0
RENO 7.1 N 12.0

...ARIZONA...
FLAGSTAFF 11.6
WILLIAMS 8.0
BELLEMONT 7.2
GRAND CANYON ARPT 3.0

...COLORADO...
DELTA 10.2

...UTAH...
VERDURE 8 WNW 25.0

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Long-time lurker.

AGW debate is like a train wreck to me. I hate to keep looking at the posts, but I can't help myself.

I'd love to see a brief series of posts from Dr M on "tropical weather for dummies." I follow a lot of the elements of the tropical weather discussions, but I haven't seen it all put together, especially the elements to watch for in system development. Anyone else interested? Any of you experienced posters have suggestions on best resources?

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1995 The Clinton years when the biggest debate was a stain on a blue dress. Oh the ways to get distracted from what is really important.
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92. HurricaneNewbie 10:04 AM PST on December 08, 2009
The blog has been in the ditch for a few days now. Has somebody called a tow truck yet to pull it back out?


I think it just has too much junk in its trunk....maybe Jenny Craig could help....
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89. well, the air is cooled in the coils (that is the purpose of the evaporator coils, after all) and as that air is cooled it becomes more dense. if the mass flow rate is constant but the density increases, the volumetric flow rate must decrease--nothing really controversial there :) in low pressure weather systems, air rises from the surface and surrounding air moves toward the void. the converse is true for high pressure systems.
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Newbie...I respectfully disagree...it has been, by and large, a good vigorous exchange of ideas...
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The biggest problem I see in all this is:

We end up paying more, while China/India and other countries will continue to push CO2 into the atmosphere. This won't stop it, nothing will as long as the population of the earth continues to grow. CO2 will always be a bi-product of our growth. We need fossil fuels, and we will continue to burn them for years to come.
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The blog has been in the ditch for a few days now. Has somebody called a tow truck yet to pull it back out?
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No matter how much the Senate may have changed since 1995, a 95-0 vote means both parties voted unanimously to reject a treaty like Kyoto that exempted developing nations.

that was then...this is now...Capitol Hill politics is very fluid...
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Quoting CaneWarning:


I'd rather they stop service on another day of the week.

Hadn't thought of that. If they really have to cut back (hope not), that's a good suggestion.
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I see no one doubted that the CFM can change when passing through the coil. RH goes up as the air passes through the coil yet it drys out the air. Could this be how lows are formed?
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"I think he means the story from yesterday that said the President was going to act with or without the approval of the Senate."

In a nutshell, yes.

No matter how much the Senate may have changed since 1995, a 95-0 vote means both parties voted unanimously to reject a treaty like Kyoto that exempted developing nations.

In Copenhagen, there already is a range war between developed and developing nations (plus Russia wants carbon credits for the dropoff in carbon after the collapse of the Soviet Union nearly two decades ago).

So if Copenhagen delivers an agreement that the Senate could accept, developing nations walk.

If developing nations are exempted like Kyoto, the Senate won't ratify.

So IMO the Obama Admin, through the EPA, is planning an end-run around that very likely Catch-22. Which would be a very bad way to implement such a profound change in our economy.
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sorry everyone...i didn't intend for that chuckle to drive the blog discussion into the ditch!

DOH!
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

USPS flat rate boxes, too. Hey, someone's gotta' give the post office it's props; if they stop Saturday service, our Netflix schedule will be totally screwed.

See ya, BBL.


I'd rather they stop service on another day of the week.
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Quoting pearlandaggie:
78. not true! shipping is easy with the USPS...if it fits, it ships.

:)


USPS flat rate boxes, too. Hey, someone's gotta' give the post office it's props; if they stop Saturday service, our Netflix schedule will be totally screwed.

See ya, BBL.
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JF, glad to see you survived last night's severe tstms!
What an unexpected short-fuse situation / wild ride that was... More on the way later...
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Quoting DocNDswamp:
LOL, not to become embroiled in the AGW controversy, but after all the accusations of orchestration w the email leaks prior to Copenhagen... doesn't the timing of the EPA release seem a bit intentional as well?

Round and round it goes... ;)


Yes, plus it has been said that the Nobel Prize was given to Obama so he'd attend the Copenhagen meeting. Who knows?
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"it's an entirely different Senate..."

A Senate that can't get 60 votes to get past a potential filibuster on cap-and-trade?


"and there's nothing un-Constituional about the EPA actions..."

What, because the Supreme Court said so? The same Supreme Court that shot down California's medical marijuana law in Raich through their interpretation of the Commerce Clause, even though there was no commerce nor interstate movement involved? When did words start to have such an elastic meaning?

CO2 is not a toxic pollutant. This is a warping of the intent of the legislation. Anything as sweeping and profound as CO2 legislation should not be carried out through judicial fiat and regulatory usurpation.
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Quoting presslord:


it's an entirely different Senate...and there's nothing un-Constituional about the EPA actions...


I think he means the story from yesterday that said the President was going to act with or without the approval of the Senate.
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78. not true! shipping is easy with the USPS...if it fits, it ships. (at least that's what the commercial says)

:)

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LOL, not to become embroiled in the AGW controversy, but after all the accusations of orchestration w the email leaks prior to Copenhagen... doesn't the timing of the EPA release seem a bit intentional as well?

Round and round it goes... ;)
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Quoting AGWcreationists:
"In the event Congress does not pass legislation to limit greenhouse gas emissions, "

The political problems are much deeper than that.

Recall that the Senate (with the Constitutional mandate to ratify treaties) voted 95-0 back in the mid Nineties on a resolution that it would not ratify a carbon treaty that exempted developing nations - which is exactly what Kyoto did - and realize that treaty ratification requires a 2/3rds vote, at a time when the Senate can't get 60 votes to prevent a filibuster on cap-and-trade.

Now at Copenhagen, this is breaking:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/08/copenhagen-climate-summit-disarray-danish-text

Copenhagen climate summit in disarray after 'Danish text' leak

Developing countries react furiously to leaked draft agreement that would hand more power to rich nations, sideline the UN's negotiating role and abandon the Kyoto protocol

So there is the usual divide between developed and developing countries. The Senate won't ratify an agreement that exempts developing countries, but the developing countries want an agreement more along the lines of Kyoto where they were not bound to carbon reductions - or else they walk.

In other words, a catch-22 as far as US action is concerned.

So the EPA is attempting to do an end-run around the process. Not good, anything this sweeping needs to go through the normal Constitutional channels.




it's an entirely different Senate...and there's nothing un-Constituional about the EPA actions...
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Quoting NRAamy:
Awake...it's a beautiful, crisp, CLEAR day in Southern Calif...I'm sure their flight from Los Angeles had no problems....

:)

Thanks, that's great!
Same here, weather-wise. Oh, but we're going to pay for this, big-time.
HUGE waves back in Hawaii. Wonder what Surfmom thinks about those suckers! I don't play...beach is for letting dogs run and trying to decide between #15 or #30 SPF...used to do oil and #4...

Does anybody know about what year(s) that big hole was punched in the ozone? Serious, for once...
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Quoting JeffMasters:


Turbulence keeps the air well-mixed through the entire lower atmosphere. Otherwise, there would a thin layer of heavier argon and CO2 near the surface! In the upper atmosphere, where there is little turbulence, the gases begin to separate by their molecular weight.

Jeff Masters

Actually during days when wind is light the CO2 will concentrate just above the ground surface.
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71. you're not still citing those non-peer reviewed denier sites, are you? LOL

/sarc :)
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Quoting AGWcreationists:
" It doesn't look like most in Congress are in favor of it." It's passed the House, but is stalled in the Senate because of the need for 60 votes to halt a potential filibuster.


I should've said Senate - thanks for clarifying.
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" It doesn't look like most in Congress are in favor of it." It's passed the House, but is stalled in the Senate because of the need for 60 votes to halt a potential filibuster.
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"In the event Congress does not pass legislation to limit greenhouse gas emissions, "

The political problems are much deeper than that.

Recall that the Senate (with the Constitutional mandate to ratify treaties) voted 95-0 back in the mid Nineties on a resolution that it would not ratify a carbon treaty that exempted developing nations - which is exactly what Kyoto did - and realize that treaty ratification requires a 2/3rds vote, at a time when the Senate can't get 60 votes to prevent a filibuster on cap-and-trade.

Now at Copenhagen, this is breaking:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/08/copenhagen-climate-summit-disarray-danish-text

Copenhagen climate summit in disarray after 'Danish text' leak

Developing countries react furiously to leaked draft agreement that would hand more power to rich nations, sideline the UN's negotiating role and abandon the Kyoto protocol

So there is the usual divide between developed and developing countries. The Senate won't ratify an agreement that exempts developing countries, but the developing countries want an agreement more along the lines of Kyoto where they were not bound to carbon reductions - or else they walk.

In other words, a catch-22 as far as US action is concerned.

So the EPA is attempting to do an end-run around the process. Not good, anything this sweeping needs to go through the normal Constitutional channels.


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Awake...it's a beautiful, crisp, CLEAR day in Southern Calif...I'm sure their flight from Los Angeles had no problems....

:)
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Quoting AGWcreationists:
"Nuclear has terrible and expensive waste issues associated with it. "

As a conservative, I tend to agree, and differ with a lot of folks on the right regarding nuclear. How do you amortize the costs of storing nuclear waste for 10,000 years?

Better to come up with a widely diversified energy approach over the course of 50-60 years.

NPR yesterday had an interesting segment on Japan's energy conservation laws, might be part of a good approach (can't find a link).

And Hansen came out against cap-and-trade - for once I agree with him.



It seems like everybody, except for the President maybe, is against Cap & Trade. It doesn't look like most in Congress are in favor of it.
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Scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll -- not criticizing, that must have been a ton of work, is there an "In Summary" and are the conclusions valid? Oh heck, we don't know what valid is yet...

Mmmm Bop; oh no, it's IN my head, now. AaaaaaMY! That is really really funny.

Dodabear! I-95! Our lives are going to be living hell, uh, hell frozen over!

Say, Amy, you still in? My son & his wife had to leave the LA area for a flight back to Hawaii today. Any reason why they couldn't have gotten out okay? (I don't know which airport or flight number; I forgot to ask and you have a bunch of airports.)
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Quoting NRAamy:
And Hansen came out against cap-and-trade

Yeah, but he also came out with "Mmmm-bop"...which should be a crime punishable by death...or atleast being sent to France for life...


LOL - I am glad I took a drink of water BEFORE reading that!
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Quoting HurricaneNewbie:
Just who is JFlorida. I really do not remember that name. It could be that I have no short term memory. Ask me a question 5 years from now and I will know the answer but yesterday is foggy.. Go figure.


He's been here for a while. I think he forgot who I am though since I have a different screen name.
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#63 was uncalled for...I mean really...kinda long, dude! Maybe you could post that on your own blog? I'm just sayin'......
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I am a nobody when it comes to the science of weather. I am an expert on the repair of comercial A/C units. Some of the science seems to overlap as in psycometric charts and the weight of a cubic foot of air. An interesting fact that in an A/C unit more CFM enter the cooling coil than leave the cooling coil. I sometimes wonder how this simple fact works with low and high pressure systems?
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What to do now, when the bull dust blows over?

I suggest we start by asking more questions, and finding additional
answers to compare, to give us a greater gathering of knowledge, to
evaluate the hypothesis skeptically, while figuring out better
questions, to ask for the next set of trials.

Diversity of thought into additional areas of knowledge, gives a more
rounded vision, allowing for the formation of more complex answers,
and resultant better focused questions. If you can then present data,
in a format that is visual enough, that it shows the balancing of
several forces at work, as they really do, it would make finding the
solution easier.

If we start with the studies of what works in climate forecasting, the
Milankovitch cycles, and expand on what has turned out to be true
about solar cycles according to Theodor Landscheidt, ( the only one to
correctly forecast the long solar minimum we are passing through). The
evidence points to the natural variability factors as being the
effects of the rotation or the galaxy and the swirl imparted to the
local area of the spiral arm we seem to reside in (Milankovich), and
by the inertial dampening of the planets effects on the barycenter of
the solar system, moves the sun's center of mass around as it tries to
stay magnetically and gravitationally centered in the swirling
magnetic fields, plasma, and dust clouds, and other stars joining us
in this dance to the celestial music as it were.

(Landscheidt) Found the driving forces of the Inertial dampening of
the system and defined it to the point of predictability, it only
seems that that the next steps would be to analyze the effects of the
interactions of the Inner planets, which have a rhythmic pattern to
their orbital relationships, and their relations to the weather
patterns they share. Most good discoveries come from the individuals
who seek the truth with out consideration for the limited vision of
the thundering herd mentality.

With climategate we have seen the latest stampede, of hurried angst
ridden, fear mongering, driving of the ignorant sheep of the world
away from the truth and into the pens. By the politically minded
"think they know what the rest of us need crowd," that are controlling
the funds, research orientation, and imposing their goals upon the
process, to achieve profits as they see fit, to stay in power.

mean while, I have quietly undertaken the study of the relationships between the
interactions of the Sun's magnetic fields borne on the solar wind, and
it's interactions with the Earth's weather patterns to the point I
have found the cyclic patterns of the shorter decadeal durations, that
show up as the natural background variances in the climate RAW data
sets. Starting with the history of research into planetary motions and
the Lunar declination,(the Earth / Moon system's response to the
rotation of the magnetic poles of the sun. In order to find a natural
analog to the patterns in the weather there were several things I had
to consider.

The results of the analog cyclic pattern I discovered repeat with in a
complex pattern of Inner planet harmonics, and outer planet longer
term interferences that come round to the 172 year pattern Landscheidt
discovered, so this is just the shorter period set of variables, that
further define the limits, of the natural variables needed to be
considered, along side the CO2 hypothesis, as the longer term/period
parents (Milankivich and Landscheidt cycles) of these driving forces
are valid. It would be in error if they were not considered and
calculated into the filtering of the swings in the climate data, for
forecasting longer terms into the future.

A sample of the cyclic pattern found in the meteorological database is
presented as a composite of the past three cycles composited together
and plotted onto maps for a 5 year period starting in 2008, and
running to January of 2014, on a rough draft website I use to further
define the shifts in the pattern from the past three to the current
cycle, to continue learning about the details of the interactions.

http://www.aerology.com/national.aspx

The building of Stonehenge at the end of the last ice age, was done as
the weather in the area was changing from tundra, to grasses and
shrubs, in waves from the El nino effects at the time.

They began a study of the relationship between the Solar and Lunar
declinational movement timing, found the lunar 18.6 year Mn
minimum/maximum declinational cycle, the 19 year Metonic cycle where
the moon is at the same phase and maximum declination on the same date
every 19 years, and the 6585 day Saris cycle of eclipses.

From combining the annual seasonal effects of apparent solar
declination, and the short term effects of the Lunar declinational
movement. The Incas and Mayans understood repeating weather patterns
well enough to build a thriving culture, that supported a much larger
population, than the area currently barely supports in poverty.


Nicolas Copernicus, (19, February 1473 – 24 May 1543) and Nostradamus,
(21 December, 1503 – 2 July 1566) Were around at about the same time
and may have collaborated in person, or through a net work of
underground friends. To give Nostradamus the idea to convert the data
sets of past history sorted by geocentric astrology locations and
positions, to a Heliocentric data base from which he drew his famous
quatrains. There are many references to late night calculations, aside
observations that may have given him his accuracy. Then along came
Galileo Galilie , (15, February, 1564 – 8 January, 1642) with proof,
that round moons circled round planets.

Well there is a magnetic field that
surrounds the sun, and magnetic fields, that are invested in the body
of the Galaxy. These large scale standing fields, interact to produce
fluctuations in the strength of the fields felt upon the Earth as it
moves in it's orbit.

The poles of the Earth are tilted to the axis of the solar system ~23
½ degrees, giving us the changing seasons. The sun on the other hand
is different it's axis of rotation is vertical, but the magnet poles
are tilted ~12 degrees, so as it rotates on an average of 27.325 day
period, the polarity of the magnetic fields felt via the solar wind,
shifts from the result of the orientation determined by the position
of the rotating magnetic poles of the sun.

The inner core of the moon has frozen, the outer core of the Earth is
still molten, and a concentration of the magnetically permeable
materials that make up the earth. These pulses of alternating North
then South magnetic field shifts has been going on since before the
Earth condensed into a planet and then was later struck by a Mars
sized object (so the current theory goes), that splashed off most of
the crust.

Most returned to the Earth, some was lost into interplanetary space,
and some condensed into the moon. Somewhere in the process the center
of mass of the moon gravitated toward the surface that faces the
Earth, before it froze, causing that denser side to always face the
Earth.

It is not the center of mass of the Earth that scribes the orbital
path of the Earth about the sun but the center of mass of the
composite Earth / moon barycenter that lies about 1,200 kilometers off
of the center of mass of the Earth, always positioned between the
center of the earth and the center of the Moon. So as the Moon rotates
around the earth to create the lunar light phases, the center of mass
of the earth goes from inside to out side, around the common
barycenter. As the Moon moves North / South in it's declination, the
center of mass of the earth goes the opposite direction to counter
balance, around their common barycenter that scribes the smooth
ellipse of the orbit around the barycenter of the solar system. So really the Earth makes 13
loops like a strung out spring every year.

The magnetic impulses in the solar wind has driven the Moon / Earth
into the declinational dance that creates the tides in phase in the
atmosphere, because of the pendulum type movement the Moon hangs at
the extremes of declination almost three days with in a couple of
degrees then makes a fast sweep across the equator at up to 7 to 9
degrees per day. At these culminations of declination movement the
polarity of the solar wind peaks and reverses, causing a surge in the
reversal of the ion flux generated as a result. Because of the
combination of both peak of Meridian flow surge in the atmosphere, and
reversal of ion charge gradient globally occurs at the same time like
clock work most severe weather occurs at these times.

Because of the semi boundary conditions caused by mountain ranges, the
Rockies, Andes, Urals, Alps, Himalayas, that resulted in topographical
forcing into a four fold pattern of types of Jet stream patterns, I
had to use not a 27.325 day period but a 109.3 day period to
synchronize the lunar declinational patterns into the data to get
clearer repeatability than the same data set filtered by Lunar phase
alone.

There is a pattern of 6554 days where in the inner planets, Mars,
Earth, Venus, and Mercury, make an even number of orbital revolutions,
and return to almost the same relative position to the star field.

By adding 4 days to this period I get 6558 days the time it takes the
Moon to have 240 declinational cycles of 27.325 days, so that by using
6558 days as a synchronization period I get the lunar Declination
angle, lunar phase, perigee / apogee cycle, and the relative positions
of the inner planets to align from the past three (6558 day) cycles
well enough that the average of the temperatures, and the totals of
the precipitations give a picture of the repeating pattern, from the
last three to forecast the next almost 18 year long string of weather
related events, with a better accuracy than the forecast available for
three to five days from NOW from conventional NWS / NOAA sources.

So by looking at the periods of declinational movement and the four
fold pattern of Rossby wave propagation, while maintaining the inner
planet synchronization. I get all of these influences in sync to look
almost the same, as the current conditions, even to periods of hail,
and tornado production.

When the outer planets are added into the mix, they are out of phase
in regard to the inner planet / Lunar patterns, and their influences
are not in Sync with these background patterns. There are lines of
magnetic force that connect each planet to the sun, and these revolve
around with the planets naturally.

As the Earth's orbit takes it between these outer planets and the sun
(at Synodic conjunctions), the increase in magnetic fields carried via
the solar wind, (to effect this outer planet coupling) is felt upon
the Earth's magnetosphere, and results in a temporary increase in the
pole to equator charge gradient then a discharge back to ambient
levels (about a two week long up then down cycle time), how this
interferes or combines with the “usual lunar / inner planet patterns”
is determined by whether it is in, or out of phase with the background
patterns.

During normal charge cycles more moisture is driven into the
atmosphere carrying positive Ions, along the ITCZ, and in discharge
cycle phases waves of free electrons, and negative ions are sent down
from the poles into the mid-latitudes. Charge cycles inhibit
precipitation amounts and discharge cycles produce increased
precipitation amounts along existing frontal boundaries, due to
changes in residual ion charge differences between the air masses.

There is a seasonal increase in magnetic fields coupled from the
center of out galaxy to the sun that peaks in mid June (summer
solstice), and then decreases till winter solstice. As the magnetic
charging cycle associated with this build up in Northern hemisphere
Spring, it brings on a bias for surges of positive ionized air masses,
that produces surges of tornadoes in phase with the lunar
declinational culminations, and other severe weather, will also be
enhanced by Synod conjunctions with outer planets, by the same
increases of positively charged ions. The closer the timing of the
conjunction to a peak lunar culmination the sharper the spike of
production, like cracking a whip.

During discharge phases from summer solstice through fall in general,
tropical storms manifest as large scale discharge patterns to ring the
moisture, heat, and excess ions out of the tropical air masses. Outer
planets conjunctions at these times help to build moisture reserves in
the atmosphere, during their ion charge contribution, and enhance
storms to category 4 and 5 levels when in phase with their discharge
phase influences.


From a viewpoint of how the assemblage of parts seamlessly fits
together,the only thing you have to do, is to watch the (short but
seemingly) endless stream of (every 15 minute) infrared and/or vapor
satellite photos animated, (after fixing the jumping around of the
originals, due to lack of foresight, that they might be useful some
day), and synchronized by 27.32 days periods, to see the repeating
cycles.

To set up five tiled windows, in the first show day #1 through #27
sequentially, then as they continue on in the same stream, the cycle
of the first 27 days continues anew in window #2, synchronized by
Lunar declination to #1. Till they spill over into window #3 stepping
in phase with the other two, #4 the same idea gives you the four basic
patterns of the Rossby wave 109.3 day cycle, of global circulation,
that then repeat but seasonally shifted.

In window #5 then would be the first repeat of window #1 in the same
phase of the same pattern, and should look a lot like window #1. As
the progression through the total series, proceeds, when you get 6558
days into the five stacks, a 6th window opens and the original day #1
in window #1 opens as #1 in window #6. As the series progresses on,
real data can be viewed, in the real interactions going on.

This would give you a look into the cyclic pattern that develops from
the repetitive interaction of the inner planets, and tidal effects,
caused by the Lunar declination, phase, perigee/ apogee cycles.

By adding a sliding ball, vertically moving up and down a +-30 degree
scale bar (referenced from the Equator), on the side of each tile
space, that shows the plot of the current Lunar declination for the
time of each frame. Which will allow you to see the shifts in the
Lunar declinational angle's effects, as the 18.6 Mn signal progresses.

By adding another slide bar of +-30 degrees (with the heliocentric
synod conjunction with Earth, as the zero reference), at the top, of
each tile you could view each outer planet as we pass them, as color
coded discs labeled, J, S,U, N, shifting from left to right. From
viewing this progression of the outer planets, the merit of their
influences, can then be seen in the additional surges in ion flux as
they go by. You can watch the changes in the normal background, of the
global circulation driven by the moon and inner planets, affected by
the outer planets.

By adding in the surface maps for the past historic temperatures, dew
points, precipitation, types, and amounts, as overlays onto the
IR/VAPOR photos, the patterns will be abundantly clear to 10 year old
school kids. At the same time, generating a good long term forecast,
set of analogs to base the models upon.

Once the amount of additional angular momentum, and the process of
it's coming and goings can be clearly seen, it can then be measured,
it's effects calculated, and incorporated into the climate models, as
a real quantized feedback. thereby giving us a much better picture, of
the interactions, of all of the parts of the puzzle.

All of the necessary data is in the archives, and free to use, to
those that have the where with all, to assemble the real truth, be it
inconvenient or not. I will probably spend the rest of my life,
trying to do it alone, out of my own funds, as I have done so far.

For application in Quake sightings, and subsequent formulating
hypothesis and developing forecast parameters, you could substitute,
or add (if your video resolutions is good enough), intensity
quantified dots on the surface of occurring quakes (play with color
coded shift and fade out time, to see time shifts etc.) and a
corresponding moving open circle, showing the moving location of the
earth/moon center line.

something to think about,
Richard Holle
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LMAO @ 60! brilliant!
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And Hansen came out against cap-and-trade

Yeah, but he also came out with "Mmmm-bop"...which should be a crime punishable by death...or atleast being sent to France for life...
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"Nuclear has terrible and expensive waste issues associated with it. "

As a conservative, I tend to agree, and differ with a lot of folks on the right regarding nuclear. How do you amortize the costs of storing nuclear waste for 10,000 years?

Better to come up with a widely diversified energy approach over the course of 50-60 years.

NPR yesterday had an interesting segment on Japan's energy conservation laws, might be part of a good approach (can't find a link).

And Hansen came out against cap-and-trade - for once I agree with him.

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DES MOINES IA
1034 AM CST TUE DEC 8 2009

...AN EPIC AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS WINTER STORM TODAY THROUGH
WEDNESDAY...


Jeez, wait till TornadoDude sees that. It may be heading for him. And we are getting this
east of I-95 in Central VA.

WILL GO AHEAD AND ISSUE A FLOOD WATCH EAST OF THE BLUE RIDGE
MOUNTAINS FOR OVERNIGHT. MODELS ARE PROGGING A GOOD ONE TO TWO
INCHES OF RAINFALL ACROSS THIS AREA...WITH SOME LOCALLY HIGHER
AMOUNTS TO AROUND 3 INCHES
...MAINLY ALONG AND EAST OF THE
INTERSTATE 95 CORRIDOR.
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Quoting JFLORIDA:


Well if Watergate involved no crime. Was private talk some of it a bit unsavory perhaps. Then it would be comparable.


US media withhold information all the time for a wide variety of reasons...
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a little dry air interrupting Ms. Cleo?



i know...i know...it's weather and not climate, but that doesn't mean it's not happening! LOL
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It is my understanding that the BBC had the emails in their posession a month or 2 before someone else releaded them. Apparently, they became frustrated that BBC just sat on them and did nothing.

Imagine the outrage if any media outlet had sat a month or 2 on info. about the Watergate scandal and remained silent. Mmmmm.....
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Quoting JFLORIDA:
9/11 study: Air traffic affects climate


Thanks for the link. It was interesting this morning as the humidity at the 30000 ft level was high enough to cause the contrails to get larger.
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"Are you sure your handle shouldn't be AntiGWPropagandist?"

I was pointing out the relative absurdity of the EPA's 'reasoning', within the intent of the law they are using to try and regulate CO2. CO2 is not a toxic chemical such as sulfur dioxide. And warming historically has been beneficial to humanity, and cooling detrimental.

And my handle derives from my observation debating both AGW proponents and Young Earth creationists - both start with a premise and then shoehorn the data to fit their beliefs.

Prime example:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/the-smoking-gun-at-darwin-zero/

What on earth justifies that adjustment? How can they do that? We have five different records covering Darwin from 1941 on. They all agree almost exactly. Why adjust them at all? They’ve just added a huge artificial totally imaginary trend to the last half of the raw data! Now it looks like the IPCC diagram in Figure 1, all right … but a six degree per century trend? And in the shape of a regular stepped pyramid climbing to heaven? What’s up with that?

Those, dear friends, are the clumsy fingerprints of someone messing with the data Egyptian style … they are indisputable evidence that the “homogenized” data has been changed to fit someone’s preconceptions about whether the earth is warming.
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Quoting JeffMasters:


Turbulence keeps the air well-mixed through the entire lower atmosphere. Otherwise, there would a thin layer of heavier argon and CO2 near the surface! In the upper atmosphere, where there is little turbulence, the gases begin to separate by their molecular weight.

Jeff Masters

Thank you Dr. Masters and you too JF.
that really had me puzzled.
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Image of some contrails.
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