EPA rules greenhouse gases threaten public health; winter storm pounds U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:03 PM GMT on December 08, 2009

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In a press release yesterday the EPA announced: "After a thorough examination of the scientific evidence and careful consideration of public comments, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced today that greenhouse gases (GHGs) threaten the public health and welfare of the American people. The ruling comes in response to the 2007 U.S. Supreme Court decision that GHGs fit within the Clean Air Act definition of air pollutants, and paves the way for the EPA to regulate CO2 as a pollutant. In the event Congress does not pass legislation to limit greenhouse gas emissions, the EPA now has the power to do that on its own. In the words of the press release, "President Obama and Administrator Jackson have publicly stated that they support a legislative solution to the problem of climate change and Congress. efforts to pass comprehensive climate legislation. However, climate change is threatening public health and welfare, and it is critical that EPA fulfill its obligation to respond to the 2007 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that determined that greenhouse gases fit within the Clean Air Act definition of air pollutants." The first EPA rule to limit CO2 would likely affect cars and light-duty trucks. Over 23% of U.S. greenhouse gases emissions are caused by on-road vehicles. Rules drafted on September 15, 2009, if imposed, would require vehicles sold between 2012 - 2016 to average 35.5 MPG.

Release of hacked emails had "organization and orchestration", UEA official says
Prof Trevor Davies, pro-vice chancellor at the University of East Angelina where the "climategate" hacked email controversy began, said in an interview yesterday: "A lot of people have remarked that it seems an unlikely co-incidence that this happened just before Copenhagen. There are indications that the people who stole this data and documents have had them for some time. They have clearly had the chance to go through them and we have had to check them ourselves. I think from the way that this has mushroomed and the very rapid responses on various blog sites, it seems to me that it has some organization and orchestration".

Meanwhile, in the U.S., the FBI is investigating death threats made against two U.S. climate scientists involved in the emails. Clearly, meteorologists involved in tornado and hurricane chasing are risking their lives in the cause of science, but who would have thought that meteorologists sitting behind a computer crunching numbers would be risking their lives? Crazy life!.

Other posts on the hacked climate change email affair
Don't shoot the messenger
Embattled UK climate scientist steps down
The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy
Is more CO2 beneficial for Earth's ecosystems?

Ricky Rood in Copenhagen
Our Climate Change expert, Dr. Ricky Rood, is in Copenhagen for the COP15 climate change summit. His post on the "climategate" affair is one of the more intelligent and diplomatic commentaries I've seen.

Major winter storm blasts the Plains and Western U.S.
Meanwhile, back in North America, it is winter. The season's first widespread heavy snow event is here, with a fierce winter storm that is the pounding the west. The storm will dump heavy snow along a wide swath across a large region of the country, from California to Michigan. The storm brought blizzard conditions and a foot of snow to northern Arizona today. Fierce thunderstorms with winds gusts up to 74 mph hit the Phoenix region, causing widespread tree damage and power outages for 250,000 people. California's Sierra Mountains recorded over 3 feet of snow, and 1 - 3 feet of snow is expected in the mountains of southern Utah and in Colorado. Up to a foot of snow is expected tonight through Wednesday across Kansas, Iowa, southern Minnesota, and southern Wisconsin, with blizzard conditions likely in Iowa.

Some snow amounts from the storm so far (with distances in miles from the city included, where appropriate):

...CALIFORNIA...
ALPINE MEADOWS 42.0
KIRKWOOD 40.0
CISCO 5 ENE 35.0
KINGVALE 1.3 WSW 29.0
HOMEWOOD 2 SE 27.0
PROSSER CREEK RESERVOIR 24.0
FAIR PLAY 2.8 ESE 17.0
PLACERVILLE 2.9 WNW 13.0
SOUTH LAKE TAHOE 13.0
VOLCANO 5.4 NE 12.5
GRASS VALLEY 5.5 ESE 11.5
COLFAX 3.1 SW 11.0
ALTA SIERRA 0.4 WSW 10.0
SUSANVILLE 3.2 SSW 8.8
LAKE OF THE PINES 8.0
NEVADA CITY 5.4 W 5.2
FOLSOM 3.4 ESE 0.5
CARMICHAEL 1.4 W 0.3
SACRAMENTO 8.0 NE 0.1

...NEVADA...
HEAVENLY VALLEY 24.0
MT ROSE SKI AREA 23.0
CARSON CITY 1.3 NW 18.0
DAYTON 1.7 SW 13.0
RENO 7.1 N 12.0

...ARIZONA...
FLAGSTAFF 11.6
WILLIAMS 8.0
BELLEMONT 7.2
GRAND CANYON ARPT 3.0

...COLORADO...
DELTA 10.2

...UTAH...
VERDURE 8 WNW 25.0

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Quoting hurricanejunky:


The CEO quit the other day. DOH! Maybe they can build something like the EV1 instead of the Dolt, I mean Bolt. What a joke.


Yeah, I saw that CEO quit. I don't think the Bolt will go anywhere either, but who knows.
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Quoting pearlandaggie:


perhaps i worded my question poorly...how much closer to Houston than College Station does the frozen precip extend? :)

sorry for the badly worded query!
Just to College Station/Austin. Still 7 days away, who knows at this point.
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Quoting atmoaggie:

But the 68 mph mid-lake obs isn't listed there...maybe because it is in the middle of a lake? I suppose...

nola.com:
"The strongest wind reading of the night was 68 miles per hour, recorded at the mid-lake weather station on the Causeway bridge at 1:37 a.m."


Would have been tough ride in Semi at that time
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@236. My wife is setting me up for the kill. She says that she will be happy with anything I get her. Translation = Get it right or feel my wrath.
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Quoting Patrap:
Storm reports from Se.La. this am

But the 68 mph mid-lake ob isn't listed there...maybe because it is in the middle of a lake? I suppose...

nola.com:
"The strongest wind reading of the night was 68 miles per hour, recorded at the mid-lake weather station on the Causeway bridge at 1:37 a.m."
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UNYSIS 18 December 00Z GFSx
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Quoting AGWcreationists:
"I rest my case."

Without bothering to attempt to make one, apparently.


I made a statement, you validated it. Thanks and let's move on.
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Quoting presslord:
speaking of Taco Bell...this is mine...it was once used in a Taco bell TV commercial...this is relevant to nothing...except that I'm sure it is a mighty polluter...
Link
Press, you win the "he who dies with the most toys wins" Awesome truck a very "green" boat, not to mention your starbucks adventure...
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223. LOL, if he's still conscious!
(Actually, a NOAA weather radio is not a bad gift, as long as I get the "good" stuff, too!)
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Was quite a display,more spring like seemed.

Was a good backdrop to have filmed some Zombies
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Tonight
Rain with a chance of thunderstorms. Areas of fog after midnight. Windy. Lows in the upper 40s. Southeast winds 10 to 20 mph shifting to the southwest 15 to 25 mph after midnight. Chance of rain near 100 percent.

More rain for Atlanta
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Quoting CaneWarning:


Well, we taxpayers basically own GM now, so maybe Obama can go ahead and tell them to build some. We can fire the CEO, so I'm sure we can tell them what to build.


The CEO quit the other day. DOH! Maybe they can build something like the EV1 instead of the Dolt, I mean Bolt. What a joke.
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Storm reports from Se.La. this am
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Quoting Bordonaro:
The Epic December 8TH, 2009 Storm is cranking up quite well this afternoon:





I find it amazing that hardly anyone is tracking this massive storm
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GOM IR loop

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We got wacked here overnight from that System.

Had brief Tornado and winds on the Causeway in Metairie,west of NOLA.


nola.com

NOAA Weather Radio was on top of the FLash Flooding and severe thru 4am.

Gust to 65 were reported mid Causeway Bridge.
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
Guess what my husband will get if he gives me any of these things for Christmas and/or Chanukah? :(

A list of possible gifts that may assist in disasters includes:

* Disaster kits for homes, offices and autos (first aid kits; food, water and prescription medications for 72 hours; i.e., extra clothing, blankets, and flashlights).
* NOAA weather radios with extra batteries.
* Enrollment in a CPR or first-aid class.
* Smoke detectors.
* Fire extinguishers (for kitchen, garage, car, etc.)
* Foldable ladders for second-story escape in a fire.
* Car kits (emergency flares, shovels, ice scrapers, flashlights and fluorescent distress flags).
* Pet Disaster kits (food, water, leashes, dishes and carrying case or crate).
* Battery powered lamps

I am guessing a vacuum cleaner to take care of things.
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Quoting calusakat:

Nuclear power should be utilized; but, there should be an ironclad agreement that when the renewables are moving into place, whatever they may turn out to be, the nuclear plants will be de-commissioned in some sort of proportion to the renewables.

I believe that the half life of most of the isotopes used or created in the standard nuclear reactor is more like 25,000 years. The biggest problem is how to store the materials once they are removed. Ever consider what happens to the storage device that is used with those isotopes. 25,000 years is an awfully long time and it is almost impossible to predict what will happen over such an incredibly long time. Will we even be living on this planet or will we have gone to the stars?

If it takes 25 years to develop and deploy alternate energy sources and we use nuclear power in the mean time...so what. When compared to 25,000 years of half life, 25 years is not even a drop in the bucket.

Either that or destroy our resources and our source of income so to speak...the very planet on which we all live.

BTW....Chernobyl was a completely different type of reactor compared to those here in the US. The type of failure that Chernobyl experienced is highly unlikely with our type of reactor. We have failures, that is true, only ours are not nearly as explosive.



Provided we could implement the system France uses I would be all for nuclear as a stop gap. Check it out: Link

Until then I think the waste and potential disaster issues relegate nuclear as a stopgap of last resort. That's just me.
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The Epic December 8TH, 2009 Storm is cranking up quite well this afternoon:



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Guess what my husband will get if he gives me any of these things for Christmas and/or Chanukah? :(

A list of possible gifts that may assist in disasters includes:

* Disaster kits for homes, offices and autos (first aid kits; food, water and prescription medications for 72 hours; i.e., extra clothing, blankets, and flashlights).
* NOAA weather radios with extra batteries.
* Enrollment in a CPR or first-aid class.
* Smoke detectors.
* Fire extinguishers (for kitchen, garage, car, etc.)
* Foldable ladders for second-story escape in a fire.
* Car kits (emergency flares, shovels, ice scrapers, flashlights and fluorescent distress flags).
* Pet Disaster kits (food, water, leashes, dishes and carrying case or crate).
* Battery powered lamps
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WOUS64 KWNS 081923
WOU6

BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
TORNADO WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE FOR WT 796
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
125 PM CST TUE DEC 8 2009

TORNADO WATCH 796 IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 900 PM CST FOR THE
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ATTN...WFO...JAN...LIX...SHV...LCH...


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Quoting presslord:
good eye hydrus...
Here comes our first big wind gusts on the plateau from the big storm. Bet it will be even windier tonight. My first car was a beauty. 1967 Cutlass Supreme, 2 speed PowerGlide tranny, 330 Jetfire engine, very smooth ride.
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My concern with nuclear, is those plants are huge terrorist targets. What happens if someone flies a plane into one of those things? Also, I'm not too fond of meltdowns.
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"At extended exposures of 5000 PPM you start to see effects that take a long time to recover from,"

Even cutting that level by an order of magnitude - to 500 ppm - we are nowhere near that level now - the increase has been from what, 340 to 380 ppm or so, if I recall a graph posted yesterday?

My larger point stands - we are nowhere near atmospheric CO2 presenting health hazards as a toxic gas. The laws the EPA is interpreting are meant to curb man-made emissions that do directly impact human health from inhaling them - such as ozone. So IMO this is a usurpation of power that is properly left to the legislative branch.
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From ESPN:

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Quoting AGWcreationists:
"Ever consider what happens to the storage device that is used with those isotopes. 25,000 years is an awfully long time and it is almost impossible to predict what will happen over such an incredibly long time. "

And how can we develop warning signage that will be understandable even 5,000 years from now?

Exactly.

Just remember this...we already have a huge amount in storage...25 years more of it is a drop in the bucket and if the de-commissioning occurs in proportion to alternate energy deployment, it will be less than that.

A little more poopoo in exchange for a whole new way of life that respects this planet? You have to dig your way out of a hole sometimes. Nuclear is just a little more digging.


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Quoting JeffMasters:


Well, these are good points. However, I don't think we can ramp up renewables fast enough, and nuclear should be given a chance to compete against solar and other renewables with the playing field leveled--by repealing the Price-Anderson Act, which essentially gives free disaster insurance to the nuclear industry. If we remove that act, and nuclear can make energy cheaper than renewables, I think we should go for it (and still ramp up renewables). Of course, if I lived near Chernobyl, I might think differently. Like I said, I'm not a policy expert, and I'm sure many of you have more informed opinions about energy solutions.

Jeff Masters


Thanks for the reply, Dr. M. The issue of waste still exists which is quite bad. I did watch a documentary recently about revolutionary recycling methods and they are making quite good progress in the arena of nuclear waste recycling. Have you heard how France does it? I have seen and read about their method for delivering nuclear energy and it is light years ahead of us in terms of waste. Waste generation is almost nothing. I think we also need to learn from other nations that are far ahead of us in the alternative energy race. I am no expert in policy either but just expressing my opinion as we all do on here. Thanks again.
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So, 5 parts per thousand, or 5000 parts per million isn't so good for those unused to such concentrations.

At extended exposures of 5000 PPM you start to see effects that take a long time to recover from, and that may in some cases not be reversible. You will see those even in people who have adapted to a high CO2 environment, in that they don't experience the kind of immediately unpleasant things the rest of us do.

There are jobs where regular exposure in the 1-3 percent range are not uncommon - submariners, for example. They often show retinal damage and decreased night and color vision, in addition the kinds things I mentioned before. Usually that level of exposure doesn't kill them, though, obviously.

If you or I were subjected to that, we'd probably be breathing really heavily and get a nasty headache, then get a kind of narcosis.
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205. ah hahaha...that would be awesome!
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Quoting toontown:
And back to the midwest storm situation, this is from today's news;

"By The Canadian Press

HALIFAX, N.S. - Officials at a Halifax children's hospital say a seven-year-old autistic boy who went missing from his Cape Breton home has died.

James Delorey was rushed to the IWK Health Centre after he was found suffering from hypothermia in a wooded area in rural Nova Scotia.

The boy was reportedly unconscious and suffering from severe hypothermia after he was found by ground search teams Monday in an area of South Bar outside Sydney."

Take care out there.


That's sad that he didn't make it.
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good eye hydrus...
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Quoting pearlandaggie:
186.

Hehe, imagine driving around in one with a window screen on the inside of the windshield giving the appearance of "eyes". lol.
The looks one would get...
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And back to the midwest storm situation, this is from today's news;

"By The Canadian Press

HALIFAX, N.S. - Officials at a Halifax children's hospital say a seven-year-old autistic boy who went missing from his Cape Breton home has died.

James Delorey was rushed to the IWK Health Centre after he was found suffering from hypothermia in a wooded area in rural Nova Scotia.

The boy was reportedly unconscious and suffering from severe hypothermia after he was found by ground search teams Monday in an area of South Bar outside Sydney."

Take care out there.
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Quoting presslord:
atmo...it only takes time and money...and an indulgent spouse helps...
Ford pick up- 1956???
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Quoting txag91met:

540 thickness College Station, 850 mb 0C College Station---yes close.


perhaps i worded my question poorly...how much closer to Houston than College Station does the frozen precip extend? :)

sorry for the badly worded query!
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Basic Information about Concentrations of CO2 in Air
1,000,000 ppm of a gas = 100 % concentration of the gas, and 10,000 ppm of a gas in air = a 1% concentration.

At 1% concentration of carbon dioxide CO2 (10,000 parts per million or ppm) and under continuous exposure at that level, such as in an auditorium filled with occupants and poor fresh air ventilation, some occupants are likely to feel drowsy.

The concentration of carbon dioxide must be over about 2% (20,000 ppm) before most people are aware of its presence unless the odor of an associated material (auto exhaust or fermenting yeast, for instance) is present at lower concentrations.

Above 2%, carbon dioxide may cause a feeling of heaviness in the chest and/or more frequent and deeper respirations.

If exposure continues at that level for several hours, minimal "acidosis" (an acid condition of the blood) may occur but more frequently is absent.

Breathing rate doubles at 3% CO2 and is four times the normal rate at 5% CO2.

Toxic levels of carbon dioxide: at levels above 5%, concentration CO2 is directly toxic. [At lower levels we may be seeing effects of a reduction in the relative amount of oxygen rather than direct toxicity of CO2.]

http://www.inspectapedia.com/hazmat/CO2gashaz.htm
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Normal rainfall for the last month, 4 - 5 inches:


Actual rainfall for the last month, 8 - 10 inches:


That's enough, thanks very much. (And we are at the start of what could be an anomalously wet winter...)
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Quoting Maat:


Sounds like you taught Tiger Woods a thing or too.


LOL!!!! Nah...we were just a couple of pathetic middle aged guys having harmless Saturday afternoon fun...Tiger is in a whole different league, I think...
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

USPS flat rate boxes, too. Hey, someone's gotta' give the post office it's props; if they stop Saturday service, our Netflix schedule will be totally screwed.

See ya, BBL.


I'm not giving any props to that socialist organization! Hail Fedex and UPS!
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