EPA rules greenhouse gases threaten public health; winter storm pounds U.S.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:03 PM GMT on December 08, 2009

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In a press release yesterday the EPA announced: "After a thorough examination of the scientific evidence and careful consideration of public comments, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced today that greenhouse gases (GHGs) threaten the public health and welfare of the American people. The ruling comes in response to the 2007 U.S. Supreme Court decision that GHGs fit within the Clean Air Act definition of air pollutants, and paves the way for the EPA to regulate CO2 as a pollutant. In the event Congress does not pass legislation to limit greenhouse gas emissions, the EPA now has the power to do that on its own. In the words of the press release, "President Obama and Administrator Jackson have publicly stated that they support a legislative solution to the problem of climate change and Congress. efforts to pass comprehensive climate legislation. However, climate change is threatening public health and welfare, and it is critical that EPA fulfill its obligation to respond to the 2007 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that determined that greenhouse gases fit within the Clean Air Act definition of air pollutants." The first EPA rule to limit CO2 would likely affect cars and light-duty trucks. Over 23% of U.S. greenhouse gases emissions are caused by on-road vehicles. Rules drafted on September 15, 2009, if imposed, would require vehicles sold between 2012 - 2016 to average 35.5 MPG.

Release of hacked emails had "organization and orchestration", UEA official says
Prof Trevor Davies, pro-vice chancellor at the University of East Angelina where the "climategate" hacked email controversy began, said in an interview yesterday: "A lot of people have remarked that it seems an unlikely co-incidence that this happened just before Copenhagen. There are indications that the people who stole this data and documents have had them for some time. They have clearly had the chance to go through them and we have had to check them ourselves. I think from the way that this has mushroomed and the very rapid responses on various blog sites, it seems to me that it has some organization and orchestration".

Meanwhile, in the U.S., the FBI is investigating death threats made against two U.S. climate scientists involved in the emails. Clearly, meteorologists involved in tornado and hurricane chasing are risking their lives in the cause of science, but who would have thought that meteorologists sitting behind a computer crunching numbers would be risking their lives? Crazy life!.

Other posts on the hacked climate change email affair
Don't shoot the messenger
Embattled UK climate scientist steps down
The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy
Is more CO2 beneficial for Earth's ecosystems?

Ricky Rood in Copenhagen
Our Climate Change expert, Dr. Ricky Rood, is in Copenhagen for the COP15 climate change summit. His post on the "climategate" affair is one of the more intelligent and diplomatic commentaries I've seen.

Major winter storm blasts the Plains and Western U.S.
Meanwhile, back in North America, it is winter. The season's first widespread heavy snow event is here, with a fierce winter storm that is the pounding the west. The storm will dump heavy snow along a wide swath across a large region of the country, from California to Michigan. The storm brought blizzard conditions and a foot of snow to northern Arizona today. Fierce thunderstorms with winds gusts up to 74 mph hit the Phoenix region, causing widespread tree damage and power outages for 250,000 people. California's Sierra Mountains recorded over 3 feet of snow, and 1 - 3 feet of snow is expected in the mountains of southern Utah and in Colorado. Up to a foot of snow is expected tonight through Wednesday across Kansas, Iowa, southern Minnesota, and southern Wisconsin, with blizzard conditions likely in Iowa.

Some snow amounts from the storm so far (with distances in miles from the city included, where appropriate):

...CALIFORNIA...
ALPINE MEADOWS 42.0
KIRKWOOD 40.0
CISCO 5 ENE 35.0
KINGVALE 1.3 WSW 29.0
HOMEWOOD 2 SE 27.0
PROSSER CREEK RESERVOIR 24.0
FAIR PLAY 2.8 ESE 17.0
PLACERVILLE 2.9 WNW 13.0
SOUTH LAKE TAHOE 13.0
VOLCANO 5.4 NE 12.5
GRASS VALLEY 5.5 ESE 11.5
COLFAX 3.1 SW 11.0
ALTA SIERRA 0.4 WSW 10.0
SUSANVILLE 3.2 SSW 8.8
LAKE OF THE PINES 8.0
NEVADA CITY 5.4 W 5.2
FOLSOM 3.4 ESE 0.5
CARMICHAEL 1.4 W 0.3
SACRAMENTO 8.0 NE 0.1

...NEVADA...
HEAVENLY VALLEY 24.0
MT ROSE SKI AREA 23.0
CARSON CITY 1.3 NW 18.0
DAYTON 1.7 SW 13.0
RENO 7.1 N 12.0

...ARIZONA...
FLAGSTAFF 11.6
WILLIAMS 8.0
BELLEMONT 7.2
GRAND CANYON ARPT 3.0

...COLORADO...
DELTA 10.2

...UTAH...
VERDURE 8 WNW 25.0

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Quoting tornadodude:


haha who knows :) you had it coming to ya! LOL jk

Okey dokey.
Patrap and I will be watching that NO-Dallas game -- what did you call it, Pat, Cowboy Stew?

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Quoting hurricanejunky:


This reminds me of the latest advances in solar film. They are printing solar film with inkjet printers now. Using the film in tote bags, backpacks and purses to charge devices inside them.

Ohhh, is that the same gizmo that was used on a shirt to cool it (Japanese, I think?)
Can't say I've seen it in Target. Maybe the Needless-Markup Christmas Wishbook?
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Quoting CaneWarning:


I think if any car company could really figure out an alternative source, they'd do really well. Look at Toyota. It's still hard to get a new Prius. I have a friend who is on a 6 month waiting list for one!


Watch the movie:"Who Killed The Electric Car?"
You'll see GM HAD the technology then and I'm sure they still do. WARNING: might make blood boil! Watch with caution!
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Excellent post. It's funny how Brazil can become completely energy independent so quickly. 99% of their vehicles run on sugar cane ethanol, much better than corn ethanol. We had Big Sugar in Clewiston (60 miles east of here) and they pulled out last year. I don't know why but that would have been a great company to start producing sugar cane ethanol in this country. For some reason, I haven't heard one word about using sugar cane ethanol in this country. The oil lobby and the corn surplus see to that. Pretty sad.
Thank you and you are right the political system of this country does appear to be run by big money
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
H-Junky; NO stocking. I would sell coal to corporate interests (payback for you dissin' the poor old P.O.). :)


No stocking? You of all people should have appreciated my sarcastic post office jab! Was I right about the hubby?
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

ROFLMAO!
How long you been waitin' for that perfect moment?


haha who knows :) you had it coming to ya! LOL jk
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Quoting tornadodude:


or at a Redskins game ;)

ROFLMAO!
How long you been waitin' for that perfect moment?
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
Very Cool. We may yet live to see another major advancement.

Scientists say paper battery could be in the works
Reuters
Mon Dec 7, 4:28 pm ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Ordinary paper could one day be used as a lightweight battery to power the devices that are now enabling the printed word to be eclipsed by e-mail, e-books and online news.

Scientists at Stanford University in California reported on Monday they have successfully turned paper coated with ink made of silver and carbon nanomaterials into a "paper battery" that holds promise for new types of lightweight, high-performance energy storage.

The same feature that helps ink adhere to paper allows it to hold onto the single-walled carbon nanotubes and silver nanowire films. Earlier research found that silicon nanowires could be used to make batteries 10 times as powerful as lithium-ion batteries now used to power devices such as laptop computers.

"Taking advantage of the mature paper technology, low cost, light and high-performance energy-storage are realized by using conductive paper as current collectors and electrodes," the scientists said in research published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

This type of battery could be useful in powering electric or hybrid vehicles, would make electronics lighter weight and longer lasting, and might even lead someday to paper electronics, the scientists said. Battery weight and life have been an obstacle to commercial viability of electric-powered cars and trucks.

"Society really needs a low-cost, high-performance energy storage device, such as batteries and simple supercapacitors," Stanford assistant professor of materials science and engineering and paper co-author Yi Cui said.

Cui said in an e-mail that in addition to being useful for portable electronics and wearable electronics, "Our paper supercapacitors can be used for all kinds of applications that require instant high power."

"Since our paper batteries and supercapacitors can be very low cost, they are also good for grid-connected energy storage," he said.

Peidong Yang, professor of chemistry at the University of California-Berkeley, said the technology could be commercialized within a short time.

(Writing by Jackie Frank; Editing by Cynthia Osterman)


This reminds me of the latest advances in solar film. They are printing solar film with inkjet printers now. Using the film in tote bags, backpacks and purses to charge devices inside them.
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ouch,..

LOL

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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

Oh, stop whining and be grateful you're not in a Cesspool. In New York. :)


or at a Redskins game ;)
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Quoting eyesontheweather:
As I watch the information coming out of the GW conference in Copenhagen I find myself asking questions with regard to the consumption of energy and the origins of the energy, i.e.; fossil fuels, renewable etc.

On November 14, 2009 I was driving through Tenn. Listening to NPR and the host was explaining that the world only produces enough oil in a day to exist for a day and that if one oil well were to become defunct it would create a world shortage and on a larger scale if one oil producing country were to halt or divert it’s production, again a shortage would occur based on current world consumption.

The host went on to say that at this current time China is getting exclusive contracts with oil producing countries to supply them and only them with the oil that country produces and that these contracts were to begin in 2011/2012.

The host also went on to say that at this time Saudi Arabia and Dubai are unable to produce any verifiable documentation to prove it’s reserves. Indicating that the life of production from these countries has become more unknown/limited than expected.

The host also reviewed the information indicating that we (the U.S.) are still the most thirsty of all countries in the consumption of oil while China (and Russia to a lesser degree) are increasing their needs for oil exponentially.

The host was also giving names of the reports he was pulling this info from but as I said I was driving and unable to write info down to verify or quote from. Regardless, the fact is, the world is in a struggle for oil.

All of this got me wondering that if the mother of invention is necessity and we (the U.S) do not like the thought of $6.00 gal fuel, gas lines and all the other issues that come with supply vs. demand then we better get busy at preparing for the rainy day.

So aside from the info I heard before the signal was lost, I also recall reading during the summer of 2008 that we (the U.S.) rank around 7-8 in world oil production but that we consume 50% (+/-) more oil than we produce and the amount of consumption based on current trends is expected to increase.
I also recall reading how the country of Brazil set out to free itself from dependency on foreign oil in the 70’s and how there was much debate and controversy much like we currently have here over cost of conversion vs. status quo. The end result being that Brazil did convert to a renewable fuel and is now a more financial stable country. Brazil uses sugar cane grown in country to produce fuel for vehicles, then uses the fibrous products from the stalks to fuel steam generated power plants for electricity

All this leads my thinking back to the current status of the GW conference in Copenhagen and a debate here in this country of “is GW an issue or is it not” and yet a hiccup in political issues or a natural disaster could find us in a shortage of fuel for this country.

So why, in all the freedom we cherish, are we even thinking about continuing our dependency and in turn sending astounding amounts of our hard earned money over seas for fuel for our transportation/energy needs.

By all means, develop an alternative fuel for transportation, implement its use. Don’t just increase gas mileage of vehicles, If Brazil can do it why can’t we! And by the way, some of the top selling autos in brazil are Fiat, Ford, GM and Chrysler all running on alternative fuel.

The repercussions in this country. I know I would be the first to buy stock in the first oil company to produce and market a viable alternative fuel. A viable source which would be harvested several times a year such as algae or other rapid growing vegetation which would put the agriculture industry back into real need. US auto makers already have alternative fuel vehicles being sold over seas. They would be ahead of the foreign market so deeply entrenched in this country and would be keeping/putting Americans to work. While the government seems so apt in making autos with high mileage why don’t we also make power grids that have to supply a percentage of renewable energy. Why not make homes that have an energy source on site, small wind turbines and solar panels that could keep commuter vehicles charged and hot water heaters hot. The list could go on and on, all of which would be creating jobs and income here at home and in turn freeing the U.S. from dependency of foreign oil.

Will there be growing pains? Of course! Is it viable, doable? Most definitely! Is it needed? That day will come! A bigger question is how long should this country stay in this struggle for foreign oil and how close to the edge should we go before we go alternative!


Excellent post. It's funny how Brazil can become completely energy independent so quickly. 99% of their vehicles run on sugar cane ethanol, much better than corn ethanol. We had Big Sugar in Clewiston (60 miles east of here) and they pulled out last year. I don't know why but that would have been a great company to start producing sugar cane ethanol in this country. For some reason, I haven't heard one word about using sugar cane ethanol in this country. The oil lobby and the corn surplus see to that. Pretty sad.
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Quoting txag91met:
I imagine
1000 ppm happens all the time being stuck in traffic. CO2 levels are not as constant as one thinks.

This invoked a thought: What happens in a bowl-like place when a long-term inversion is in effect, as happens every winter at some point in Salt Lake City?

Answer: Up to 510 ppm

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Quoting pilotguy1:
Help me. I am choking on the .04% air I am breathing that is CO2.


Quick, someone call Al Gore! He can have one of his companies save you for just a few billion dollars!
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Quoting pilotguy1:
Help me. I am choking on the .04% air I am breathing that is CO2.

Oh, stop whining and be grateful you're not in a Cesspool. In New York. :)
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Quoting Patrap:
Definitely a BAD day here..



NY Emergency teams try to rescue man from cesspool Associated Press - December 8, 2009 2:35 PM ET EAST HILLS, N.Y. (AP) -

Firefighters, police and emergency responders are trying to rescue a man trapped up to his chest in a cesspool in East Hills, Long Island. Firefighters say the walls of the hole are unstable and could collapse. They've requested a vacuum truck used to pump out cesspools. Students at nearby Harbor Hill Elementary School in Roslyn were evacuated when a medevac helicopter landed on school grounds, according to a phone message from the district. Nassau fire officials say it's not immediately clear how the man became trapped. The Roslyn Fire Department responded to a 911 call at 11:21 a.m. Tuesday.

I certainly hope somebody throws him a paddle.
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Quoting JFLORIDA:


It was like heavy electrical stuff in a tornado cell. All around low clouds. If you look on Doc in the swamp's blog I even thought a tornado was nearby. It was unreal.

Reminded me of the 93 super storm.


THAT was intense. 80 mph gusts one night. Living in a town home then I thought the place was going to fall down! Rumbling and whistling winds...crazy stuff.
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Quoting Patrap:
Definitely a BAD day here..



NY Emergency teams try to rescue man from cesspool Associated Press - December 8, 2009 2:35 PM ET EAST HILLS, N.Y. (AP) -

Firefighters, police and emergency responders are trying to rescue a man trapped up to his chest in a cesspool in East Hills, Long Island. Firefighters say the walls of the hole are unstable and could collapse. They've requested a vacuum truck used to pump out cesspools. Students at nearby Harbor Hill Elementary School in Roslyn were evacuated when a medevac helicopter landed on school grounds, according to a phone message from the district. Nassau fire officials say it's not immediately clear how the man became trapped. The Roslyn Fire Department responded to a 911 call at 11:21 a.m. Tuesday.


I thought Long Island was a cesspool... Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I hope the guy is OK though.
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Quoting Bordonaro:
Multimedia Weather Briefing issued by NWS on the upcoming Blizzard in the Midwest:

Link

Thanks, B -- Now I'm actually starting to believe it.
I know it's nothin', but it's starting to get a little grey here. Hope we have enough cookies; me want. Chocolate, gummies gone.
Think a big pot of chili is in order.
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Definitely a BAD day here..



NY Emergency teams try to rescue man from cesspool Associated Press - December 8, 2009 2:35 PM ET EAST HILLS, N.Y. (AP) -

Firefighters, police and emergency responders are trying to rescue a man trapped up to his chest in a cesspool in East Hills, Long Island. Firefighters say the walls of the hole are unstable and could collapse. They've requested a vacuum truck used to pump out cesspools. Students at nearby Harbor Hill Elementary School in Roslyn were evacuated when a medevac helicopter landed on school grounds, according to a phone message from the district. Nassau fire officials say it's not immediately clear how the man became trapped. The Roslyn Fire Department responded to a 911 call at 11:21 a.m. Tuesday.
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Quoting NRAamy:
I just want it noted that I have not posted a single Al Gore photo since last week!


YAY!! I congratulate you on your restraint. Are you feeling better?
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


The Bolt is a half baked concept. It should get much better than 40 miles out of a charge. The EV1 got over 100 miles and that was in 1996 with that older technology! REALLY frustrating. The oil lobby is ALIVE AND WELL!


I think if any car company could really figure out an alternative source, they'd do really well. Look at Toyota. It's still hard to get a new Prius. I have a friend who is on a 6 month waiting list for one!
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@268 I could see a huge flamability problem with paper electronics. I am sure they have considered this issue and have a work around though.
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Quoting CaneWarning:


Yeah, I saw that CEO quit. I don't think the Bolt will go anywhere either, but who knows.


The Bolt is a half baked concept. It should get much better than 40 miles out of a charge. The EV1 got over 100 miles and that was in 1996 with that older technology! REALLY frustrating. The oil lobby is ALIVE AND WELL!
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H-Junky; NO stocking. I would sell coal to corporate interests (payback for you dissin' the poor old P.O.). :)
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Multimedia Weather Briefing issued by NWS on the upcoming Blizzard in the Midwest:

Link
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Quoting eyesontheweather:
sory, just was thinking about all the rehotoric of GW and the thought of the bigger picture loomed in my head
eyes!! WTH??!! Another novel long post!
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soory, just was thinking about all the rehotoric of GW and the thought of the bigger picture loomed in my head
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Quoting NRAamy:
eyes!! WTH??!! Another novel long post!


Summary please! LOL
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eyes!! WTH??!! Another novel long post!
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Very Cool. We may yet live to see another major advancement.

Scientists say paper battery could be in the works
Reuters
Mon Dec 7, 4:28 pm ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Ordinary paper could one day be used as a lightweight battery to power the devices that are now enabling the printed word to be eclipsed by e-mail, e-books and online news.

Scientists at Stanford University in California reported on Monday they have successfully turned paper coated with ink made of silver and carbon nanomaterials into a "paper battery" that holds promise for new types of lightweight, high-performance energy storage.

The same feature that helps ink adhere to paper allows it to hold onto the single-walled carbon nanotubes and silver nanowire films. Earlier research found that silicon nanowires could be used to make batteries 10 times as powerful as lithium-ion batteries now used to power devices such as laptop computers.

"Taking advantage of the mature paper technology, low cost, light and high-performance energy-storage are realized by using conductive paper as current collectors and electrodes," the scientists said in research published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

This type of battery could be useful in powering electric or hybrid vehicles, would make electronics lighter weight and longer lasting, and might even lead someday to paper electronics, the scientists said. Battery weight and life have been an obstacle to commercial viability of electric-powered cars and trucks.

"Society really needs a low-cost, high-performance energy storage device, such as batteries and simple supercapacitors," Stanford assistant professor of materials science and engineering and paper co-author Yi Cui said.

Cui said in an e-mail that in addition to being useful for portable electronics and wearable electronics, "Our paper supercapacitors can be used for all kinds of applications that require instant high power."

"Since our paper batteries and supercapacitors can be very low cost, they are also good for grid-connected energy storage," he said.

Peidong Yang, professor of chemistry at the University of California-Berkeley, said the technology could be commercialized within a short time.

(Writing by Jackie Frank; Editing by Cynthia Osterman)
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Quoting eyesontheweather:
As I watch the information coming out of the GW conference in Copenhagen I find myself asking questions with regard to the consumption of energy and the origins of the energy, i.e.; fossil fuels, renewable etc.

On November 14, 2009 I was driving through Tenn. Listening to NPR and the host was explaining that the world only produces enough oil in a day to exist for a day and that if one oil well were to become defunct it would create a world shortage and on a larger scale if one oil producing country were to halt or divert it%u2019s production, again a shortage would occur based on current world consumption.

The host went on to say that at this current time China is getting exclusive contracts with oil producing countries to supply them and only them with the oil that country produces and that these contracts were to begin in 2011/2012.

The host also went on to say that at this time Saudi Arabia and Dubai are unable to produce any verifiable documentation to prove it%u2019s reserves. Indicating that the life of production from these countries has become more unknown/limited than expected.

The host also reviewed the information indicating that we (the U.S.) are still the most thirsty of all countries in the consumption of oil while China (and Russia to a lesser degree) are increasing their needs for oil exponentially.

The host was also giving names of the reports he was pulling this info from but as I said I was driving and unable to write info down to verify or quote from. Regardless, the fact is, the world is in a struggle for oil.

All of this got me wondering that if the mother of invention is necessity and we (the U.S) do not like the thought of $6.00 gal fuel, gas lines and all the other issues that come with supply vs. demand then we better get busy at preparing for the rainy day.

So aside from the info I heard before the signal was lost, I also recall reading during the summer of 2008 that we (the U.S.) rank around 7-8 in world oil production but that we consume 50% ( /-) more oil than we produce and the amount of consumption based on current trends is expected to increase.
I also recall reading how the country of Brazil set out to free itself from dependency on foreign oil in the 70%u2019s and how there was much debate and controversy much like we currently have here over cost of conversion vs. status quo. The end result being that Brazil did convert to a renewable fuel and is now a more financial stable country. Brazil uses sugar cane grown in country to produce fuel for vehicles, then uses the fibrous products from the stalks to fuel steam generated power plants for electricity

All this leads my thinking back to the current status of the GW conference in Copenhagen and a debate here in this country of %u201Cis GW an issue or is it not%u201D and yet a hiccup in political issues or a natural disaster could find us in a shortage of fuel for this country.

So why, in all the freedom we cherish, are we even thinking about continuing our dependency and in turn sending astounding amounts of our hard earned money over seas for fuel for our transportation/energy needs.

By all means, develop an alternative fuel for transportation, implement its use. Don%u2019t just increase gas mileage of vehicles, If Brazil can do it why can%u2019t we! And by the way, some of the top selling autos in brazil are Fiat, Ford, GM and Chrysler all running on alternative fuel.

The repercussions in this country. I know I would be the first to buy stock in the first oil company to produce and market a viable alternative fuel. A viable source which would be harvested several times a year such as algae or other rapid growing vegetation which would put the agriculture industry back into real need. US auto makers already have alternative fuel vehicles being sold over seas. They would be ahead of the foreign market so deeply entrenched in this country and would be keeping/putting Americans to work. While the government seems so apt in making autos with high mileage why don%u2019t we also make power grids that have to supply a percentage of renewable energy. Why not make homes that have an energy source on site, small wind turbines and solar panels that could keep commuter vehicles charged and hot water heaters hot. The list could go on and on, all of which would be creating jobs and income here at home and in turn freeing the U.S. from dependency of foreign oil.

Will there be growing pains? Of course! Is it viable, doable? Most definitely! Is it needed? That day will come! A bigger question is how long should this country stay in this struggle for foreign oil and how close to the edge should we go before we go alternative!


We have lots of oil supplies that are not taped yet, there more expensive. Tar Sands in Canada is just one example, its a huge deposit.
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265. MTWX
going to be an interesting night here in MS!!
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As I watch the information coming out of the GW conference in Copenhagen I find myself asking questions with regard to the consumption of energy and the origins of the energy, i.e.; fossil fuels, renewable etc.

On November 14, 2009 I was driving through Tenn. Listening to NPR and the host was explaining that the world only produces enough oil in a day to exist for a day and that if one oil well were to become defunct it would create a world shortage and on a larger scale if one oil producing country were to halt or divert it’s production, again a shortage would occur based on current world consumption.

The host went on to say that at this current time China is getting exclusive contracts with oil producing countries to supply them and only them with the oil that country produces and that these contracts were to begin in 2011/2012.

The host also went on to say that at this time Saudi Arabia and Dubai are unable to produce any verifiable documentation to prove it’s reserves. Indicating that the life of production from these countries has become more unknown/limited than expected.

The host also reviewed the information indicating that we (the U.S.) are still the most thirsty of all countries in the consumption of oil while China (and Russia to a lesser degree) are increasing their needs for oil exponentially.

The host was also giving names of the reports he was pulling this info from but as I said I was driving and unable to write info down to verify or quote from. Regardless, the fact is, the world is in a struggle for oil.

All of this got me wondering that if the mother of invention is necessity and we (the U.S) do not like the thought of $6.00 gal fuel, gas lines and all the other issues that come with supply vs. demand then we better get busy at preparing for the rainy day.

So aside from the info I heard before the signal was lost, I also recall reading during the summer of 2008 that we (the U.S.) rank around 7-8 in world oil production but that we consume 50% (+/-) more oil than we produce and the amount of consumption based on current trends is expected to increase.
I also recall reading how the country of Brazil set out to free itself from dependency on foreign oil in the 70’s and how there was much debate and controversy much like we currently have here over cost of conversion vs. status quo. The end result being that Brazil did convert to a renewable fuel and is now a more financial stable country. Brazil uses sugar cane grown in country to produce fuel for vehicles, then uses the fibrous products from the stalks to fuel steam generated power plants for electricity

All this leads my thinking back to the current status of the GW conference in Copenhagen and a debate here in this country of “is GW an issue or is it not” and yet a hiccup in political issues or a natural disaster could find us in a shortage of fuel for this country.

So why, in all the freedom we cherish, are we even thinking about continuing our dependency and in turn sending astounding amounts of our hard earned money over seas for fuel for our transportation/energy needs.

By all means, develop an alternative fuel for transportation, implement its use. Don’t just increase gas mileage of vehicles, If Brazil can do it why can’t we! And by the way, some of the top selling autos in brazil are Fiat, Ford, GM and Chrysler all running on alternative fuel.

The repercussions in this country. I know I would be the first to buy stock in the first oil company to produce and market a viable alternative fuel. A viable source which would be harvested several times a year such as algae or other rapid growing vegetation which would put the agriculture industry back into real need. US auto makers already have alternative fuel vehicles being sold over seas. They would be ahead of the foreign market so deeply entrenched in this country and would be keeping/putting Americans to work. While the government seems so apt in making autos with high mileage why don’t we also make power grids that have to supply a percentage of renewable energy. Why not make homes that have an energy source on site, small wind turbines and solar panels that could keep commuter vehicles charged and hot water heaters hot. The list could go on and on, all of which would be creating jobs and income here at home and in turn freeing the U.S. from dependency of foreign oil.

Will there be growing pains? Of course! Is it viable, doable? Most definitely! Is it needed? That day will come! A bigger question is how long should this country stay in this struggle for foreign oil and how close to the edge should we go before we go alternative!
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it is now sleeting here, with a few snow flakes mixed in.

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Quoting NRAamy:
I just want it noted that I have not posted a single Al Gore photo since last week!


do you want a cookie? (:
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Quoting JFLORIDA:

The lightening was incredible. Constant purplish blue flashes.


Were those transformers popping? Quite a common site during hurricanes.
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Quoting Maat:
10 years ago it was the EPA saying "Save the Trees". Now they tell us we have to reduce CO2. Poor trees lost somewhere along the way. The hippies became green energy investors I guess. What a crazy world.

If PETA starts hunting whales to save krill I'm going to start chasing my shadow again.

Oh yeah, and after a lifetime of playing the card game hearts, its sort of not fun anymore after we actually shot the moon last month...crazy world indeed.
Huh? Crazy post indeed.
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I just want it noted that I have not posted a single Al Gore photo since last week!
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I had a conversation with an engineer in the solar industry earlier this year. He stated we would need to build 130+ nuke plants to replace the existing coal fired plants in the US. That is a generalization based upon the varied output of the given plants. By comparison, he referenced we would need approximately 1700 wind turbines to replace one of the nuke plants. That was based upon a 25% effective rate of applicable wind( which raised the requirement from 400+/nuke plant). I am still trying to do the math on that one and verify the comparison :)

He did say there are big strides being made in the solar industry also.
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
Guess what my husband will get if he gives me any of these things for Christmas and/or Chanukah? :(

A list of possible gifts that may assist in disasters includes:

* Disaster kits for homes, offices and autos (first aid kits; food, water and prescription medications for 72 hours; i.e., extra clothing, blankets, and flashlights).
* NOAA weather radios with extra batteries.
* Enrollment in a CPR or first-aid class.
* Smoke detectors.
* Fire extinguishers (for kitchen, garage, car, etc.)
* Foldable ladders for second-story escape in a fire.
* Car kits (emergency flares, shovels, ice scrapers, flashlights and fluorescent distress flags).
* Pet Disaster kits (food, water, leashes, dishes and carrying case or crate).
* Battery powered lamps


Coal and switches in his stocking?
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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 2214
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1122 AM CST TUE DEC 08 2009

AREAS AFFECTED...CNTRL/NERN KS...SERN NEB...NRN MO...IA...NRN IL

CONCERNING...HEAVY SNOW


VALID 081722Z - 082245Z

MODERATE TO HEAVY SNOW WILL LIKELY PERSIST FROM CNTRL KS TO THE
MID-MO RIVER VALLEY AND EXPAND NEWD ACROSS MOST OF IA THIS
AFTERNOON. SHORT-DURATION BURSTS OF HEAVY SNOW MIXED WITH
SLEET/FREEZING RAIN...SHOULD SHIFT NEWD ACROSS THE LOWER MO RIVER
VALLEY INTO NRN IL BY 00Z. OVERALL SNOWFALL RATES SHOULD INCREASE
ACROSS THE REGION WITH EMBEDDED AREAS AROUND 1 IN/HR.

POTENT SHORT WAVE TROUGH OVER ERN CO WILL QUICKLY EJECT EWD WITH
ATTENDANT SURFACE CYCLONE TRACKING FROM SERN CO INTO SWRN MO BY 00Z.
LATEST MODEL FORECASTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH INTENSIFYING
LOW/MID-LEVEL ISENTROPIC ASCENT ALONG THE MID-MS RIVER VALLEY THIS
AFTERNOON IN CONCERT WITH INCREASING UPPER-LEVEL DIVERGENCE. THIS
SHOULD RESULT IN CURRENT AREAS OF MODERATE PRECIPITATION OVER SERN
NEB/ERN KS/MO EXPANDING E/NEWD. MEANWHILE...DCVA ASSOCIATED WITH THE
VIGOROUS SHORT WAVE TROUGH COUPLED WITH A PLUME OF STEEPER MID-LEVEL
LAPSE RATES SHOULD LEAD TO CONTINUED REDEVELOPMENT OF HEAVIER SNOW
BURSTS ACROSS CNTRL/NERN KS AND SERN NEB. 09Z SREF AND CONSENSUS OF
MODEL QPF SUGGEST SNOWFALL RATES AROUND 1 IN/HR WILL BECOME
INCREASINGLY COMMON.

WITH ONLY A VERY SLOW NWD PROGRESSION OF THE SURFACE WET-BULB
FREEZING LINE /CURRENTLY FROM W-CNTRL MO TO CNTRL IL/...A NARROW
TRANSITION ZONE FROM SNOW TO SLEET TO FREEZING RAIN SHOULD PERSIST
ACROSS NRN MO INTO NRN IL...CENTERED FROM THE KANSAS CITY TO CHICAGO
METRO AREAS.

..GRAMS.. 12/08/2009
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WOW.
Surfers Ride 40-foot Waves in Hawaii
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Quoting Patrap:


Would have been tough ride in Semi at that time

He, just talked about that very thing here in the office.
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Quoting CaneWarning:
My concern with nuclear, is those plants are huge terrorist targets. What happens if someone flies a plane into one of those things? Also, I'm not too fond of meltdowns.


True, that is another concern. Especially when we advertise on the news how insecure they are and then continue allowing them to be so.
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


The CEO quit the other day. DOH! Maybe they can build something like the EV1 instead of the Dolt, I mean Bolt. What a joke.


Yeah, I saw that CEO quit. I don't think the Bolt will go anywhere either, but who knows.
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Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.