Embattled UK climate scientist steps down

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:53 PM GMT on December 03, 2009

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The embattled director of the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU), Dr. Phil Jones, announced that he will be temporarily standing aside as director. An independent review of his conduct in light of the emails illegally hacked from his computers last month is in progress. In a press release, Professor Jones said: "What is most important is that CRU continues its world leading research with as little interruption and diversion as possible. After a good deal of consideration I have decided that the best way to achieve this is by stepping aside from the Director's role during the course of the independent review and am grateful to the University for agreeing to this. The Review process will have my full support".

The University and the police are investigating the break-in, and it is currently unknown if this was the act of an insider or an external break-in. I think it is highly unlikely this was the work of an insider in a whistle-blower type of action, since a computer at realclimate.org was hacked into the same week (via a computer in Turkey), and the criminal attempted to upload the emails stolen from CRU to the realclimate.org server. This is not the sort of action a whistleblower would do. Dr. Gavin Schmidt of realclimate.org said in a comment yesterday that the CRU break-in appeared to have been done from the outside, into a backup mail server. It is unlikely the hacker acted alone, since hackers aren't typically intimately familiar with the details of the climate change science debate. The emails and code stolen were selectively culled by someone who appeared to have considerable expertise in climate science.

What did Dr. Jones do wrong?
So, what did Dr. Jones do wrong? For starters, he should have confronted the allegations raised by his critics immediately and talked candidly to the press about some of the specific accusations being made. For example, one of the emails contained the statement that he would like to "redefine what the peer-reviewed literature is" to exclude two questionable papers from the IPCC report. Well, that's not something a good scientist should seriously advocate, and is an impossibility, in any case. No one can redefine the peer-reviewed literature, since the rules for this are well-established an not subject to change. When I read the comment in the context it was made, it reads as a joke. There is no discussion in the hacked emails about how to go about redefining the peer-reviewed literature. In the end, the two papers Jones was referring to with this comment, McKitrick and Michaels (2004) and Kalnay and Cai (2003), ended up being cited and discussed in Chapter 2 of the IPCC AR4 report. Those intent on discrediting the science of human-caused global warming are spinning the comment differently, creating a controversy about something that is impossible to do, and was not being seriously suggested. Jones should have immediately spoken up to quash the hype on this comment.

The "trick" to "hide the decline"
Another area of concern is over a graph Dr. Jones helped construct in 1999 showing the "hockey stick" of Earth's surface temperature going back 1,000 years. This graph combined instrumental measurements made since the 1800s with older paleoclimate data (including data from tree rings) to show a continuous 1,000 year record of Earth's temperatures. The paleoclimate data after 1960 show a bogus decline in Earth's temperatures that does not agree with what modern thermometers have been measuring, due to a well-known variation in tree ring thickness as a function of time, referred to as "the decline". Thus, Jones elected to toss out the bogus paleoclimate data (using a "trick" to "hide the decline") rather than present it in the graph. The graph was not properly labeled to show this was done, so viewers of the graph would have had needed to be familiar with a 1998 paper published in Nature or the 1999 paper referenced in the caption on the graph, which explained this well-known data issue. The graph that Jones used his "trick" on was put into a 1999 report called the "WMO Statement on the Status of the Global Climate". The report was given to policy makers, but was never published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. No reputable climate scientist believes that the paleoclimate data since 1960 is of higher quality than the instrumental record (this is discussed in detail in Chapter 6 of the 2007 IPCC report). In order to make the "hokey stick" graph less confusing, removing "the decline" from the tree ring data is a reasonable thing to do--provided one labels the graph properly. The graph was not properly labeled. Does Jones' "trick" and failure to properly label the graph constitute data falsification, or was it merely sloppy science? The hacked emails contain no suggestions that the "trick" was done to intentionally fool people, and the "trick" never appeared in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, including the IPCC reports. In Dr. Jones' words, "This is well-known and is called the "decline" or "divergence". The use of the term "hiding the decline" was in an email written in haste. CRU has not sought to hide the decline. Indeed, CRU has published a number of articles that both illustrate, and discuss the implications of, this recent tree-ring decline, including the article that is listed in the legend of the WMO Statement figure".




Figure 1. The WMO 1999 "hockey stick" figure (top) with climate reconstructions and instrumental temperatures merged, and a version (bottom) with the climate reconstructions (coloured) and instrumental temperatures (annual & summer in black) shown separately. Note "the decline" in the temperature obtained from tree ring data (green curve) in the bottom curve. Image credit: University of East Anglia.

Global warming contrarians are spinning the "trick" as reason to discredit the "hockey stick", claiming that the data was falsified to hide the fact that tree rings were telling the real story. Since the hockey stick was falsified, some claim, the entire science behind human-caused global warming needs to be questioned. This is plain ludicrous. The graph was never published in a scientific journal. Several updated versions of the "hockey stick" graph have been published in the ten years since the disputed graph was produced, and the "hockey stick" can be reproduced in essentially the same form excluding the controversial tree rings, using other paleoclimate data such as boreholes (See Mann et al., 2008, Figure 2). Furthermore, the peer-reviewed science supporting human-caused global warming is not based solely upon the "hockey stick" and the CRU data used for the last 150 years of the hockey stick graph. There are three separate data sets of global temperatures maintained by NASA, the CRU, and NOAA's National Climatic Data Center, that all show essentially the same global warming. We also have evidence from nature herself in the form of plants and animals expanding their ranges poleward, the record loss of Arctic sea ice in 2007 and record loss of multi-year Arctic sea ice this year, the shrinking of mountain glaciers, reductions in the length of freeze season in many Northern Hemisphere lakes and rivers, the shifting of spring blooms earlier in most regions of the world, and on and on and on. Again, Jones should have spoken up immediately to kill the ridiculous hype being pushed by global warming contrarians about the importance of a 10-year old graph that is now scientifically irrelevant, and was never published.


Figure 2. The "hockey stick" of global temperature anomalies since 300 A.D., as published in a 2008 paper in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences by Mann et al.. Even if one excludes tree rings (blue curve), the hockey stick looks the same.

Resistance to releasing data to other researchers
The hacked emails also show that Dr. Jones resisted releasing his data to contrarians and urged others to delete emails regarding Freedom Of Information (FOI) related requests. Many countries protect their weather data under an international agreement called World Meteorological Organization Resolution 40, which prohibits the data from being made public (this is why wunderground can't give out the UKMET model forecasts on our web site, for example). About 5% of the CRU data fell in that category, making release illegal. However, deleting emails related to FOI requests is inadvisable and implies one has something to hide. The investigation should certainly pursue the issue of whether Dr. Jones properly handled the requests to turn over his data to outside researchers. Ideally, weather data documenting Earth's climate history should be free to everyone on the planet (I am not a big fan of WMO Resolution 40). However, another aspect to this issue is the time it takes for the scientists involved to prepare the data for release. Large, complicated data sets require extensive documentation and access to related computer codes in order to process them, and making the data available to every amateur investigator interested in the data puts an unfair burden on the scientists who maintain the data sets. In particular, an amateur climate science investigator named Stephen McIntyre, who runs the web site Climate Audit, has created such an issue. McIntyre, a retired mining executive and an investor, is not a professional scientist, but has been successful identifying several technical errors made in the published literature. He has also generated a huge amount of misleading and incorrect information over the years, and has done a tremendous amount of damage to the understanding of climate science. McIntyre is intent on discrediting the science of human-caused global warming--presumably for ideological reasons, since he has no obvious ties to the fossil fuel industry--and has generated a large number of Freedom of Information requests to further his cause. One of the hacked emails, from Dr. Ben Santer, complained that McIntyre's FOI requests were intrusive and unreasonable with no scientific justification or explanation given, and appeared to be a calculated strategy to divert Santer's attention and focus away from research. It's worth reading Santer's reaction to the hacked email affair to learn more. Given such tactics by McIntyre, Dr. Jones' resistance to FOI requests from McIntyre is understandable, but appears to have been poorly handled.

The science of human-caused global warming remains unaffected
None of the hacked emails reveal any conspiracy to publish falsified or "fudged" material in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. The science of human-caused global warming will require no revision as a result of this affair. Baseless accusations of fraud, data manipulation, and conspiracy against climate change scientists stemming from the hacked emails are being massively hyped by the Manufactured Doubt industry in an effort to discredit climate scientists, since no flaw with the science can be found. Most of the public is in no position to distinguish good science from bad, so if you can create doubt, uncertainty, and confusion, you can win--or at least buy time, lots of it. The hacked email affair is all about politics, not science. Dr. Jones is an excellent scientist, but unfortunately was over-matched as a politician. It was hardly a fair fight--one scientist against the political might of the mightiest PR campaign against science ever waged, armed with some selectively culled stolen emails taken out of context.

Other posts in this series
The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy
Is more CO2 beneficial for Earth's ecosystems?

Next post
I'm working on a post called, "Don't shoot the messenger", and plan to run this Sunday or Monday.

Our Climate Change expert, Dr. Ricky Rood, will be in Copenhagen for Monday's start to the crucial COP15 climate change treaty negotiations. Be sure to tune into his blog for updates on the talks. Wunderground has provided financial support for several University of Michigan students to attend the talks, and I may be featuring portions of their blogs over the coming weeks.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting tornadodude:
Congratulations to Dr. Jeff having this blog mentioned on CNN today

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Quoting CaneWarning:


Just making sure because your sentence wasn't exactly clear.


Glad I could clarify.
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Your avatar certainly contributes to global warming.


say what?
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


No man, we got that truce thing going, remember? We're supposed to be drinking surge cola and singing kumbaya! LOL!


haha works for me :P
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Quoting tornadodude:


haha yeah :P we can start one if ya like (: jk


No man, we got that truce thing going, remember? We're supposed to be drinking surge cola and singing kumbaya! LOL!
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Once Upon a Time!! In a LAND we call HOME, the USA used to manufacture our own towels, bed sheets, toys, clothes, TV's, microwaves, automobiles, shoes, sneakers, auto parts. We ONCE stood at the forefront of SPACE &TECNOLOGY. We used to be the LARGEST CREDITOR NATION. This was the case until the 70's and 80's.

What happened??? GOOD QUESTION?? Well, why pay an American worker $6/hr to make that shoe, when we can pay an Indonesian $.60/hr to do the same job, or $.75/hr to make those toys in China. Or Vietnam, Bangladesh, India, Egypt, Russia, Morroco.

WELL, POOF!!! They're went our manufacturing BASE!
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Congratulations to Dr. Jeff having this blog mentioned on CNN today

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Quoting Minnemike:
look at me, i can type opinions... opinions opinions opinions!

now why would i call them facts? because that's my OPINION!

your facts are wrong in my opinion. my facts are right!

oh yeah, the general public is certainly qualified to discuss the science. many are indeed illustrating how unintelligent, unqualified, and biased Dr. Masters is. their comments totally poke holes through absolutely everything he and his hoaxsters are spewing. oh, and the links to other blogs, PRICELESS!! i'm so happy we base our understanding of climate on opinions and blogs... oh, and a singular infallible research institution.

sarcasm is all i have in light of this wreck, but sincerely, thank you DR. M for trying to use the english language to communicate. unfortunately it does not penetrate the deafness of assumptive cognition.


I hear you Mike...nice post man.
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Hey LST! How's the weather there today? How much snow did you guys get there?


Hey there, junky! It's cold as a well-digger's you-know-what in a Midland snowstorm!! I don't know what the actual measurement was yesterday, but it took the entire half-hour ride to work for all the snow to melt off the truck. If it had been colder for a few days more before the snow, it would probably have amounted to at least 2-3 inches.

I almost hate to ask, since I know it's a sore subject, but did you get any rain yesterday?
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Quoting NRAamy:
"my neighbor has a junkpile on his lawn and since he won't clean his up I'll just leave a junkpile on my lawn."

junky has a junkpile....

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Your avatar certainly contributes to global warming.
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Quoting LongStrangeTrip:
Howdy, all!

Yikes, more stress & strife in the blog...may have to amble over to my own blog and start a snowball fight to ease the tension. In the meantime, I posted a brief Floodman update and funny video for anyone who needs a break from the debate.

:)


Hey LST! How's the weather there today? How much snow did you guys get there?
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LOL@Amy stirring the pot again!!!
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"my neighbor has a junkpile on his lawn and since he won't clean his up I'll just leave a junkpile on my lawn."

junky has a junkpile....

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252. LOL...it's a Southern thing.

Hiya, Amy!! :)
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This is a model....this is a model on drugs....any questions?
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258. Skyepony (Mod)
I think Tiger Woods has done more to put an end to the chatter from the hacked e-mails than some of the scientists that were hacked.

I read a muddled rebuttal explaining the "trick" on real climate (that guy was defending Jones & mad cause he'd been hacked too). Dr Masters makes it much clearer, as well as adding how out of date & that it was something never published, showing how irrelevant the e-mail is.
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Quoting Gatorxgrrrl:
Stop buying crapp made in China.


Amen! not any easy thing to do but we can all try.

When I look around at the junk we buy, especially at Christmas, it is gross and at the expense of American jobs and at the same time enriching China!


Good luck with that. I am with you and AIM on this issue but try telling that to the people who walk into Wal Mart and see how far that goes. If we put Wal Mart and Target and the other junk peddlers out of business then maybe we could make a dent in the "Made in China" industry. Until then all we can do is do our part. Which leads me to your previous post, Gatorxgrrrl: We can continue to do our part regardless of any other countries. That's like saying "my neighbor has a junkpile on his lawn and since he won't clean his up I'll just leave a junkpile on my lawn." Accountability and action have to start somewhere and we can lead by example.
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Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:


I was double taking the GFS from this morning. Thinking HUH? Can't be right. Looked Sub-Tropical though and spawned from the remnants of Nida believe it or not.

Wouldn't that be a

Off Japan, Over the Pacific, Off the Golden Gate bridge and into Florida

Nuttin but net story.


I think that model has a slight drug problem. Thats what happens when you inject crack into a model. This is a model on crack any questions.
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Quoting NRAamy:
232. GetReal 11:03 AM PST on December 03, 2009
It is very interesting the main players in the CRU controversy have remained silent, including the AGW spokesperson Al Gore.

Why???


his mouth is full of Little Debbie snack cakes...he does have some manners you know....


Too funny.
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252. oh, my.........LOL
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Quoting hydrus:
One of the computer models has a tropical cyclone hitting S.W. FL on DEC 15.


I was double taking the GFS from this morning. Thinking HUH? Can't be right. Looked Sub-Tropical though and spawned from the remnants of Nida believe it or not.

Wouldn't that be a

Off Japan, Over the Pacific, Off the Golden Gate bridge and into Florida

Nuttin but net story.
232. GetReal 11:03 AM PST on December 03, 2009
It is very interesting the main players in the CRU controversy have remained silent, including the AGW spokesperson Al Gore.

Why???


his mouth is full of Little Debbie snack cakes...he does have some manners you know....
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


I never said otherwise.


Just making sure because your sentence wasn't exactly clear.
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too bad damdelions are 'sensitive vegetation'! LOL
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Quoting CaneWarning:


Actually, just to be accurate, evolution is still a theory too.


I never said otherwise.
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Quoting Bordonaro:
GW..A topic on WU almost 100% guarenteed to start a argument.

The world's climate goes through natural warming and cooling cycles, mostly dependant on the Sun's output. Some say the climate warms, then CO2 increases. Others say the CO2 is increasing, creating the warming. I do not know which scenario is correct.

Dumping pollution into the envirnoment is not "wise stewardship"! I wouldn't put garbage on my dinner plate and eat it with my food. I don't believe anyone would. The technology is here ALREADY availiable to produce cost effective electricity out of wind, tidal, hydro-electric and solar. MAYBE the world should work and develop those technologies, it would be an AMAZING world if we did!

Once upon a time, the USA used to manufacture eveything form A to Z, in the 60's and 70's. Maybe we could put America back to work producing useful things!


GREAT POST!!!
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Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:
Seems the juice for the peninsula is going to come from the developing surface low in the NW Carribean. With upper support from the area developing in the W GOM.
One of the computer models has a tropical cyclone hitting S.W. FL on DEC 15.
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Just as they all are about evolution but we still have "intelligent design" being pushed as a valid alternative point of view as if it were some sort of scientifically proven theory. Go figure.


Actually, just to be accurate, evolution is still a theory too.
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oops
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Awww, come on dude! I'm enjoying seeing a squabble that I'm not involved in for a change. LOL!


haha yeah :P we can start one if ya like (: jk
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Winter Advisoires In Dixie
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Quoting tornadodude:
JFLORIDA and P451:

would it be so hard to ask you to move your personal debates/attacks to WU-mail? I'm not trying to just single you guys out, but I think your debate has gotten a little personal... and it frustrates me to see this, that is why I am making this request.. obviously you dont have to listen to what I say, but maybe out of respect for our fellow bloggers this could be resolved or moved to personal email? thanks


Awww, come on dude! I'm enjoying seeing a squabble that I'm not involved in for a change. LOL!
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Quoting StormW:


What strong El Nino?

My bad, MODERATE El Nino, I misread the article!!
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Quoting jiminnh:
I tend to believe that the earth is warming, but.... might be a bit conceited.

Then you would be wrong. The vast majority of the world's scientific community has proven this to be the case. Not Al Gore, not liberal democrats and not pro abortion welfare hippies. Virtually every major branch of science is in agreement on this.



Just as they all are about evolution but we still have "intelligent design" being pushed as a valid alternative point of view as if it were some sort of scientifically proven theory. Go figure.
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Quoting JFLORIDA:


Its cold outside MY house so GLOBAL warming isnt real.


GLOBAL warming means global AVERAGE temperatures are getting higher. It does not mean the temperatures everywhere are getting higher.

Just because it's colder than average here in Texas does not mean the global avarage temperature is lower. It means Texas is cold this week. Back in Canada where I grew up, it has been much warmer than usual this fall. Europe

Check out the temperature anomalies in Oct:



As you can see, southern North America is colder than usual while most other places are warmer than usual. What you need to do is look at the global average when you are talking about global warming or climate change.
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Quoting RitaEvac:
getting too much sun damn it, warming the ground, may not do anything if it falls


Let the sun shine!
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Quoting Bordonaro:
Central FL possible Ground Zero for Severe Weather 12-5-09



Yeah, just like all those severe storms yesterday...oh wait, nevermind. They hyped that storm up for about a week, then I get a "t-storm" with hardly any wind and lightning. It's so funny when the new people do that.
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getting too much sun damn it, warming the ground, may not do anything if it falls
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It is very interesting the main players in the CRU controversy have remained silent, including the AGW spokesperson Al Gore.

Why???


As the result of their collective silence, AGW alarmist community has, by proxey, had to defend the science (religion) of AGW...
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Quoting RitaEvac:
Here it comes!!



yup
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Quoting tornadodude:


just curious,

if the warming (according to the ice cores) began 20,000 years ago, then it would not be man-made, right?


I don't think you can look at it quite so cut and dry. In that discussion there was no mention how long each of the warming/ice age cycles take to complete and I don't know the durations of all of them off the top of my head. I think validation of the man made portion of the argument is the spike of carbon emissions in the last 200 years, coincidentally about the same time as the industrial revolution started.
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Nice pics of the S TX event!!
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Here it comes!!

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