Embattled UK climate scientist steps down

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:53 PM GMT on December 03, 2009

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The embattled director of the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU), Dr. Phil Jones, announced that he will be temporarily standing aside as director. An independent review of his conduct in light of the emails illegally hacked from his computers last month is in progress. In a press release, Professor Jones said: "What is most important is that CRU continues its world leading research with as little interruption and diversion as possible. After a good deal of consideration I have decided that the best way to achieve this is by stepping aside from the Director's role during the course of the independent review and am grateful to the University for agreeing to this. The Review process will have my full support".

The University and the police are investigating the break-in, and it is currently unknown if this was the act of an insider or an external break-in. I think it is highly unlikely this was the work of an insider in a whistle-blower type of action, since a computer at realclimate.org was hacked into the same week (via a computer in Turkey), and the criminal attempted to upload the emails stolen from CRU to the realclimate.org server. This is not the sort of action a whistleblower would do. Dr. Gavin Schmidt of realclimate.org said in a comment yesterday that the CRU break-in appeared to have been done from the outside, into a backup mail server. It is unlikely the hacker acted alone, since hackers aren't typically intimately familiar with the details of the climate change science debate. The emails and code stolen were selectively culled by someone who appeared to have considerable expertise in climate science.

What did Dr. Jones do wrong?
So, what did Dr. Jones do wrong? For starters, he should have confronted the allegations raised by his critics immediately and talked candidly to the press about some of the specific accusations being made. For example, one of the emails contained the statement that he would like to "redefine what the peer-reviewed literature is" to exclude two questionable papers from the IPCC report. Well, that's not something a good scientist should seriously advocate, and is an impossibility, in any case. No one can redefine the peer-reviewed literature, since the rules for this are well-established an not subject to change. When I read the comment in the context it was made, it reads as a joke. There is no discussion in the hacked emails about how to go about redefining the peer-reviewed literature. In the end, the two papers Jones was referring to with this comment, McKitrick and Michaels (2004) and Kalnay and Cai (2003), ended up being cited and discussed in Chapter 2 of the IPCC AR4 report. Those intent on discrediting the science of human-caused global warming are spinning the comment differently, creating a controversy about something that is impossible to do, and was not being seriously suggested. Jones should have immediately spoken up to quash the hype on this comment.

The "trick" to "hide the decline"
Another area of concern is over a graph Dr. Jones helped construct in 1999 showing the "hockey stick" of Earth's surface temperature going back 1,000 years. This graph combined instrumental measurements made since the 1800s with older paleoclimate data (including data from tree rings) to show a continuous 1,000 year record of Earth's temperatures. The paleoclimate data after 1960 show a bogus decline in Earth's temperatures that does not agree with what modern thermometers have been measuring, due to a well-known variation in tree ring thickness as a function of time, referred to as "the decline". Thus, Jones elected to toss out the bogus paleoclimate data (using a "trick" to "hide the decline") rather than present it in the graph. The graph was not properly labeled to show this was done, so viewers of the graph would have had needed to be familiar with a 1998 paper published in Nature or the 1999 paper referenced in the caption on the graph, which explained this well-known data issue. The graph that Jones used his "trick" on was put into a 1999 report called the "WMO Statement on the Status of the Global Climate". The report was given to policy makers, but was never published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. No reputable climate scientist believes that the paleoclimate data since 1960 is of higher quality than the instrumental record (this is discussed in detail in Chapter 6 of the 2007 IPCC report). In order to make the "hokey stick" graph less confusing, removing "the decline" from the tree ring data is a reasonable thing to do--provided one labels the graph properly. The graph was not properly labeled. Does Jones' "trick" and failure to properly label the graph constitute data falsification, or was it merely sloppy science? The hacked emails contain no suggestions that the "trick" was done to intentionally fool people, and the "trick" never appeared in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, including the IPCC reports. In Dr. Jones' words, "This is well-known and is called the "decline" or "divergence". The use of the term "hiding the decline" was in an email written in haste. CRU has not sought to hide the decline. Indeed, CRU has published a number of articles that both illustrate, and discuss the implications of, this recent tree-ring decline, including the article that is listed in the legend of the WMO Statement figure".




Figure 1. The WMO 1999 "hockey stick" figure (top) with climate reconstructions and instrumental temperatures merged, and a version (bottom) with the climate reconstructions (coloured) and instrumental temperatures (annual & summer in black) shown separately. Note "the decline" in the temperature obtained from tree ring data (green curve) in the bottom curve. Image credit: University of East Anglia.

Global warming contrarians are spinning the "trick" as reason to discredit the "hockey stick", claiming that the data was falsified to hide the fact that tree rings were telling the real story. Since the hockey stick was falsified, some claim, the entire science behind human-caused global warming needs to be questioned. This is plain ludicrous. The graph was never published in a scientific journal. Several updated versions of the "hockey stick" graph have been published in the ten years since the disputed graph was produced, and the "hockey stick" can be reproduced in essentially the same form excluding the controversial tree rings, using other paleoclimate data such as boreholes (See Mann et al., 2008, Figure 2). Furthermore, the peer-reviewed science supporting human-caused global warming is not based solely upon the "hockey stick" and the CRU data used for the last 150 years of the hockey stick graph. There are three separate data sets of global temperatures maintained by NASA, the CRU, and NOAA's National Climatic Data Center, that all show essentially the same global warming. We also have evidence from nature herself in the form of plants and animals expanding their ranges poleward, the record loss of Arctic sea ice in 2007 and record loss of multi-year Arctic sea ice this year, the shrinking of mountain glaciers, reductions in the length of freeze season in many Northern Hemisphere lakes and rivers, the shifting of spring blooms earlier in most regions of the world, and on and on and on. Again, Jones should have spoken up immediately to kill the ridiculous hype being pushed by global warming contrarians about the importance of a 10-year old graph that is now scientifically irrelevant, and was never published.


Figure 2. The "hockey stick" of global temperature anomalies since 300 A.D., as published in a 2008 paper in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences by Mann et al.. Even if one excludes tree rings (blue curve), the hockey stick looks the same.

Resistance to releasing data to other researchers
The hacked emails also show that Dr. Jones resisted releasing his data to contrarians and urged others to delete emails regarding Freedom Of Information (FOI) related requests. Many countries protect their weather data under an international agreement called World Meteorological Organization Resolution 40, which prohibits the data from being made public (this is why wunderground can't give out the UKMET model forecasts on our web site, for example). About 5% of the CRU data fell in that category, making release illegal. However, deleting emails related to FOI requests is inadvisable and implies one has something to hide. The investigation should certainly pursue the issue of whether Dr. Jones properly handled the requests to turn over his data to outside researchers. Ideally, weather data documenting Earth's climate history should be free to everyone on the planet (I am not a big fan of WMO Resolution 40). However, another aspect to this issue is the time it takes for the scientists involved to prepare the data for release. Large, complicated data sets require extensive documentation and access to related computer codes in order to process them, and making the data available to every amateur investigator interested in the data puts an unfair burden on the scientists who maintain the data sets. In particular, an amateur climate science investigator named Stephen McIntyre, who runs the web site Climate Audit, has created such an issue. McIntyre, a retired mining executive and an investor, is not a professional scientist, but has been successful identifying several technical errors made in the published literature. He has also generated a huge amount of misleading and incorrect information over the years, and has done a tremendous amount of damage to the understanding of climate science. McIntyre is intent on discrediting the science of human-caused global warming--presumably for ideological reasons, since he has no obvious ties to the fossil fuel industry--and has generated a large number of Freedom of Information requests to further his cause. One of the hacked emails, from Dr. Ben Santer, complained that McIntyre's FOI requests were intrusive and unreasonable with no scientific justification or explanation given, and appeared to be a calculated strategy to divert Santer's attention and focus away from research. It's worth reading Santer's reaction to the hacked email affair to learn more. Given such tactics by McIntyre, Dr. Jones' resistance to FOI requests from McIntyre is understandable, but appears to have been poorly handled.

The science of human-caused global warming remains unaffected
None of the hacked emails reveal any conspiracy to publish falsified or "fudged" material in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. The science of human-caused global warming will require no revision as a result of this affair. Baseless accusations of fraud, data manipulation, and conspiracy against climate change scientists stemming from the hacked emails are being massively hyped by the Manufactured Doubt industry in an effort to discredit climate scientists, since no flaw with the science can be found. Most of the public is in no position to distinguish good science from bad, so if you can create doubt, uncertainty, and confusion, you can win--or at least buy time, lots of it. The hacked email affair is all about politics, not science. Dr. Jones is an excellent scientist, but unfortunately was over-matched as a politician. It was hardly a fair fight--one scientist against the political might of the mightiest PR campaign against science ever waged, armed with some selectively culled stolen emails taken out of context.

Other posts in this series
The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy
Is more CO2 beneficial for Earth's ecosystems?

Next post
I'm working on a post called, "Don't shoot the messenger", and plan to run this Sunday or Monday.

Our Climate Change expert, Dr. Ricky Rood, will be in Copenhagen for Monday's start to the crucial COP15 climate change treaty negotiations. Be sure to tune into his blog for updates on the talks. Wunderground has provided financial support for several University of Michigan students to attend the talks, and I may be featuring portions of their blogs over the coming weeks.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting tornadodude:
I find it funny that they have to issue a winter storm warning for 2 inches of snow :P we sometimes dont even get a winter weather advisory for that. It usually takes 6 inches of snow or more to get us a warning, obviously this is because of my location and the frequency of our snow (:
lol T up here in TO salt trucks don't dispatch till at least 5 cm or more has fallen
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I find it funny that they have to issue a winter storm warning for 2 inches of snow :P we sometimes dont even get a winter weather advisory for that. It usually takes 6 inches of snow or more to get us a warning, obviously this is because of my location and the frequency of our snow (:
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673. xcool
weatherman874 :)
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672. xcool



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i was wondering do ya all have the hats and mitts ready and that square red or black thing with a handle is called a shovel
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When the NWS in Ft Worth, TX "pulls this stunt", we usually get hammered. But, nonetheless, I saw snow yesterday, it was nice:

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
909 PM CST THU DEC 3 2009

TXZ091>095-100>107-115>123-129>135-144>146-041100-
MONTAGUE-COOKE-GRAYSON-FANNIN-LAMAR-YOUNG-JACK-WISE-DENTON-COLLIN-
HUNT-DELTA-HOPKINS-STEPHENS-PALO PINTO-PARKER-TARRANT-DALLAS-
ROCKWALL-KAUFMAN-VAN ZANDT-RAINS-EASTLAND-ERATH-HOOD-SOMERVELL-
JOHNSON-ELLIS-HENDERSON-BOSQUE-HILL-NAVARRO-
909 PM CST THU DEC 3 2009

...LIGHT SNOW AND FLURRIES ARE EXPECTED ACROSS NORTH TEXAS...

AN UPPER LEVEL STORM SYSTEM WILL MOVE INTO NORTH TEXAS FRIDAY
MORNING AND GENERATE LIGHT SNOW AND FLURRIES ACROSS PARTS OF THE
REGION. A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW IS IN AFFECT FOR AREAS
SOUTH OF A COMANCHE TO WACO TO PALESTINE LINE ON FRIDAY. LIGHT SNOW
IS EXPECTED FOR AREAS NORTH OF THIS LINE...DIMINISHING TO FLURRIES
NORTH OF INTERSTATE 20. AT THIS TIME...NO SIGNIFICANT ACCUMULATIONS
OR MAJOR TRAVEL PROBLEMS ARE ANTICIPATED.
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Area forecast discussion
National Weather Service Lake Charles la
1028 PM CST Thursday Dec 3 2009


Update...
still looking like a historic early snow event will take place
Friday afternoon and evening across most of southeast Texas/c and S la.
Latest guidance still confident the rain will be changing over
to a rain/snow mixture by early afternoon Friday over southeast Texas...and
then changing over to all snow by late Friday afternoon and
evening across the remainder of western and central Louisiana
north of the I-10 corridor. Accumulations of 1.5 to 2 inches are
likely...with localized amounts up to 3 inches possible. Local
criteria states a Winter Storm Warning is required for snowfall
of 2 or more inches within 12 hours...thus is now issued.


Along the I-10 corridor and further south...the rain will likely
change over to a rain/snow mix by late afternoon...then change
over to all snow after sunset...except the immediate coastal areas
where a rain/snow mix will likely persist. Snowfall accumulations
of up to an inch are likely...with localized amounts up to 2
inches possible in a few area just north of I-10. Thus a Winter
Weather Advisory is issued.


Dml/Jr

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At least it's still warm in Key West, FL. Here in Arlington, TX, it's 38F, Mostly Cloudy, a N wind at about 13MPH...

Key West Airport
Lat: 24.55 Lon: -81.75 Elev: 4
Last Update on Dec 3, 10:53 pm EST


Overcast

75 °F
(24 °C) Humidity: 79 %
Wind Speed: N 9 MPH
Barometer: 30.01" (1016.0 mb)
Dewpoint: 68 °F (20 °C)
Visibility: 10.00 mi.
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Quoting xcool:
weatherman874 i remember last year fox8 said no snow for n.o guessing what happer . snow


My point exactly you cant believe anything till it actually happens
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666. xcool
weatherman874 i remember last year fox8 said no snow for n.o guessing what happer . snow
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665. unf97
Not surprised in the least that the Houston NWS office went ahead and immediately upgraded to the Winter Storm Warning for their area.

It definitely appears that the heavy snow band will be setting up right there in that region of SE TX. I wouldn't be surprised if 4-6 inches occured there in that band when the event ends.
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Quoting xcool:
weatherman874 watch .i think n.o will get snow imo


Same here, im seeing a trend of temps falling quicker than previously thought and after witnessing the huge temp drop once the rain and snow moved close to the region i know that it could happen again
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The Dallas-Ft Worth Metroplex Meteorologist are all "chicken", stating the there will be snow on Friday, but they're uncertain on the amount we will receive.

TXDOT in Ft Worth and in Dallas, TX are all on "STANDBY", ready and waiting "just in case", so they can sand the "ump-teen" bridges and overpasses and major intersections.

KXAS, KXTA, WFAA and KDFW, the 4 major news stations are all "ready to go, just in case" there are any cancellations to announce.

Gotta love it! The 6.3 million residents on our "wonderful" metro area are just "a-waiting"!!
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662. xcool
weatherman874 watch .i think n.o will get snow imo
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Quoting Grothar:


OK, the next time I have one, I shall think of you, will that help?? LOL I'll see what I can do, honestly!


LOL it's the thought that counts! haha and if somehow some could make it's way here, that would be super awesome! obviously I would pay you for it
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xcool you think a statement or watch for NOLA metro?
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Quoting tornadodude:


oh alright, I can imagine it is expensive to ship back here,

Well I used to drink Surge soda, the American counterpart, and they stopped making it, so I searched the internet, along with some help from AIM, we found that they sell it still in Norway


OK, the next time I have one, I shall think of you, will that help?? LOL I'll see what I can do, honestly!
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658. xcool
URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HOUSTON/GALVESTON TX
1017 PM CST THU DEC 3 2009

...SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL EXPECTED ACROSS SOUTHEAST TEXAS ON FRIDAY...

.AN UPPER LEVEL TROUGH OF LOW PRESSURE COUPLED WITH AN INCREASE
IN MOISTURE AND UNSEASONABLY COLD TEMPERATURES WILL SET THE STAGE
FOR PERIODS OF SNOW ACROSS THE AREA FRIDAY. ACCUMULATIONS OF 1 TO
3 INCHES ARE EXPECTED.

TXZ178-179-199-200-212>214-227-237-238-041230-
/O.UPG.KHGX.WS.A.0002.091204T1200Z-091205T0600Z/
/O.NEW.KHGX.WS.W.0001.091204T1600Z-091205T0200Z/
BRAZORIA-CHAMBERS-FORT BEND-GALVESTON-HARRIS-LIBERTY-MONTGOMERY-
POLK-SAN JACINTO-WALLER-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ALVIN...ANAHUAC...ANGLETON...
BROOKSHIRE...CLEVELAND...COLDSPRING...CONROE...CORRIGAN...
DAYTON...FREEPORT...FRIENDSWOOD...GALVESTON...HEMPSTEAD...
HOUSTON...HUMBLE...KATY...LAKE JACKSON...LEAGUE CITY...LIBERTY...
LIVINGSTON...MISSOURI CITY...MONT BELVIEU...ONALASKA...PASADENA...
PEARLAND...PRAIRIE VIEW...RICHMOND...ROSENBERG...SHEPHERD...
SUGAR LAND...TEXAS CITY...THE WOODLANDS...TOMBALL...WILLIS...
WINNIE
1017 PM CST THU DEC 3 2009

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 10 AM TO 8 PM CST FRIDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN HOUSTON/GALVESTON HAS ISSUED A
WINTER STORM WARNING FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 10 AM TO
8 PM CST FRIDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.

SNOW IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP ACROSS THE AREA BEGINNING LATE MORNING
FRIDAY...AND BECOME MODERATE TO HEAVY DURING THE AFTERNOON HOURS.
THE SNOW WILL PERSIST UNTIL EARLY EVENING BEFORE ENDING. TOTAL
SNOW ACCUMULATIONS OF 1 TO 3 INCHES...WITH ISOLATED TOTALS OF 4
INCHES...ARE EXPECTED ACROSS THE INLAND COUNTIES AND THE NORTHERN
PORTIONS OF THE COASTAL COUNTIES. TOWARD THE IMMEDIATE
COAST...THE PRECIPITATION WILL BEGIN AS RAIN AND NOT CHANGE TO
SNOW UNTIL LATE AFTERNOON. AS A RESULT...SLIGHTLY LOWER
ACCUMULATIONS ARE ANTICIPATED THERE. THE PRECIPITATION IS EXPECTED
TO END ACROSS THE WARNING AREA BETWEEN 6 AND 8 PM. SOME ROADWAYS...
ESPECIALLY ON BRIDGES AND OVERPASSES ARE LIKELY TO BECOME ICY
FRIDAY EVENING AS TEMPERATURES FALL WELL BELOW FREEZING.

IN ADDITION TO THE SNOW...THE COMBINATION OF GUSTY WINDS AND COLD
TEMPERATURES WILL RESULT IN WIND CHILL READINGS IN THE 20S FRIDAY
AFTERNOON AND EVENING.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR HEAVY SNOW MEANS WINTER WEATHER
CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW
ARE FORECAST.

MELTING AND REFREEZING OF WATER ON ROADWAYS...ESPECIALLY BRIDGES
AND OVERPASSES...WILL CREATE PATCHES OF BLACK ICE. THIS TYPE OF
ICE IS VIRTUALLY INVISIBLE ON THE ROAD SURFACE...AND CAN CAUSE YOU
TO LOSE CONTROL OF YOUR CAR.

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Quoting Grothar:


I believe the only place that sells it is in Norwway. It used to be popular in Denmark, but I have not seen it there in years. It is very expensive to ship back to the U.S. How did you hear of it?


oh alright, I can imagine it is expensive to ship back here,

Well I used to drink Surge soda, the American counterpart, and they stopped making it, so I searched the internet, along with some help from AIM, we found that they sell it still in Norway
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Quoting tornadodude:


yes!! How can I obtain some of that delicious soda?


I believe the only place that sells it is in Norwway. It used to be popular in Denmark, but I have not seen it there in years. It is very expensive to ship back to the U.S. How did you hear of it?
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651.
That is the saddest thing.....
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Quoting Bordonaro:

HMMMM!!!


annual WU meeting now held at Steak and Shake haha
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Quoting tornadodude:


steak and shake? I'm in (: LOL

HMMMM!!!
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post 646.
Ive got an Urge......
oh. sorry. wrong blog.
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651. Skyepony (Mod)

Hunting banned in parts of Austria after hailstones kill 90% of wild game
Hunting has been banned in parts of Austria after freak storms with tennis ball-sized hailstones killed up to 90% of the wild game population
The Telegraph, London, 19 October 2009

Hundreds of deer were discovered either dead or so badly injured they had to be put down by wildlife experts.

In the country's rural Salzburg province, 90% of pheasants and 80% of hares were killed in the hail storms.

Sepp Eder, the hunting chief, said: "Animals sought shelter in farms, in fields of grain but the hail was so heavy it smashed right into them. It may take five years for animal numbers to recover, if they ever do so."

Farmers are believed to have suffered more than £60 million in damages to crops and buildings.

Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/austria/6377192/Hunting-banned-in-parts-of-Austria- after-hailstones-kill-90pc-of-wild-game.html
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Quoting Grothar:


Wouldn't you rather have an Urge????


yes!! How can I obtain some of that delicious soda?
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649. Inyo
houston is possibly getting snow and burlington, vt has not even had an inch yet this year! What a bizarre pattern
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hopefully we can get sum snow in the panhandle of FL.. if not, maybe sometime soon.
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Quoting tornadodude:


steak and shake? I'm in (: LOL


Wouldn't you rather have an Urge????
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645. xcool
anytime!!!
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Quoting xcool:



matt... 84hr


thanks!
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great game on ESPN btw...
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Quoting iluvjess:
Looks like we will all get precip. The line between water/sleet/snow will be determined by the temps. They are trending colder than the models predicted 24 hrs ago thus the snow may be further south than originally forecasted.


sounds good to me!..lol
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641. xcool
hmmm
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640. xcool



matt... 84hr
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Quoting Bordonaro:


"Would you like fries and a shake sir with your order?" LMAO :0)


steak and shake? I'm in (: LOL
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"Would you like fries and a shake sir with your order?" LMAO :0)

xcool might - I just want a snowcone!..lol
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Looks like we will all get precip. The line between water/sleet/snow will be determined by the temps. They are trending colder than the models predicted 24 hrs ago thus the snow may be further south than originally forecasted.
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Quoting jeffs713:

I would like a bullseye on Houston to go, please.


"Would you like fries and a shake sir with your order?" LMAO :0)
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635. xcool
tornadodude i use joe website .haha update real fast.
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Quoting xcool:
gfs update rigth now


oh alright
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..however, any wintry activity should be north of me - at least on this go around - unless the low takes a more southerly route!..lol
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Quoting xcool:
ornadodude yeah


can you post it? thanks!
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631. xcool
gfs update rigth now
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630. xcool
ornadodude yeah
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629. xcool
iluvjess i did sroll upp
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WOOHOO!...I sure like that graphic showing snow accumulation in Mobile!..lol
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Quoting xcool:
GFS AND NAM NAIL ITT !!!


Yeah, it sure is looking like that xcool. Yeah, this looks like this very well could be a memorable snowfall event for folks in SE TX.
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Quoting xcool:
. weatherman874 why ??!!!


Because i live in New Orleans and desperately want it to snow here in the metro area!! and the GFS and NAM have it sideswiping the area and i will either get snow or just plain old rain ha!
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hey xcool, do you have an image from the gfs for tuesday and wednesday next week?
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