Embattled UK climate scientist steps down

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:53 PM GMT on December 03, 2009

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The embattled director of the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU), Dr. Phil Jones, announced that he will be temporarily standing aside as director. An independent review of his conduct in light of the emails illegally hacked from his computers last month is in progress. In a press release, Professor Jones said: "What is most important is that CRU continues its world leading research with as little interruption and diversion as possible. After a good deal of consideration I have decided that the best way to achieve this is by stepping aside from the Director's role during the course of the independent review and am grateful to the University for agreeing to this. The Review process will have my full support".

The University and the police are investigating the break-in, and it is currently unknown if this was the act of an insider or an external break-in. I think it is highly unlikely this was the work of an insider in a whistle-blower type of action, since a computer at realclimate.org was hacked into the same week (via a computer in Turkey), and the criminal attempted to upload the emails stolen from CRU to the realclimate.org server. This is not the sort of action a whistleblower would do. Dr. Gavin Schmidt of realclimate.org said in a comment yesterday that the CRU break-in appeared to have been done from the outside, into a backup mail server. It is unlikely the hacker acted alone, since hackers aren't typically intimately familiar with the details of the climate change science debate. The emails and code stolen were selectively culled by someone who appeared to have considerable expertise in climate science.

What did Dr. Jones do wrong?
So, what did Dr. Jones do wrong? For starters, he should have confronted the allegations raised by his critics immediately and talked candidly to the press about some of the specific accusations being made. For example, one of the emails contained the statement that he would like to "redefine what the peer-reviewed literature is" to exclude two questionable papers from the IPCC report. Well, that's not something a good scientist should seriously advocate, and is an impossibility, in any case. No one can redefine the peer-reviewed literature, since the rules for this are well-established an not subject to change. When I read the comment in the context it was made, it reads as a joke. There is no discussion in the hacked emails about how to go about redefining the peer-reviewed literature. In the end, the two papers Jones was referring to with this comment, McKitrick and Michaels (2004) and Kalnay and Cai (2003), ended up being cited and discussed in Chapter 2 of the IPCC AR4 report. Those intent on discrediting the science of human-caused global warming are spinning the comment differently, creating a controversy about something that is impossible to do, and was not being seriously suggested. Jones should have immediately spoken up to quash the hype on this comment.

The "trick" to "hide the decline"
Another area of concern is over a graph Dr. Jones helped construct in 1999 showing the "hockey stick" of Earth's surface temperature going back 1,000 years. This graph combined instrumental measurements made since the 1800s with older paleoclimate data (including data from tree rings) to show a continuous 1,000 year record of Earth's temperatures. The paleoclimate data after 1960 show a bogus decline in Earth's temperatures that does not agree with what modern thermometers have been measuring, due to a well-known variation in tree ring thickness as a function of time, referred to as "the decline". Thus, Jones elected to toss out the bogus paleoclimate data (using a "trick" to "hide the decline") rather than present it in the graph. The graph was not properly labeled to show this was done, so viewers of the graph would have had needed to be familiar with a 1998 paper published in Nature or the 1999 paper referenced in the caption on the graph, which explained this well-known data issue. The graph that Jones used his "trick" on was put into a 1999 report called the "WMO Statement on the Status of the Global Climate". The report was given to policy makers, but was never published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. No reputable climate scientist believes that the paleoclimate data since 1960 is of higher quality than the instrumental record (this is discussed in detail in Chapter 6 of the 2007 IPCC report). In order to make the "hokey stick" graph less confusing, removing "the decline" from the tree ring data is a reasonable thing to do--provided one labels the graph properly. The graph was not properly labeled. Does Jones' "trick" and failure to properly label the graph constitute data falsification, or was it merely sloppy science? The hacked emails contain no suggestions that the "trick" was done to intentionally fool people, and the "trick" never appeared in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, including the IPCC reports. In Dr. Jones' words, "This is well-known and is called the "decline" or "divergence". The use of the term "hiding the decline" was in an email written in haste. CRU has not sought to hide the decline. Indeed, CRU has published a number of articles that both illustrate, and discuss the implications of, this recent tree-ring decline, including the article that is listed in the legend of the WMO Statement figure".




Figure 1. The WMO 1999 "hockey stick" figure (top) with climate reconstructions and instrumental temperatures merged, and a version (bottom) with the climate reconstructions (coloured) and instrumental temperatures (annual & summer in black) shown separately. Note "the decline" in the temperature obtained from tree ring data (green curve) in the bottom curve. Image credit: University of East Anglia.

Global warming contrarians are spinning the "trick" as reason to discredit the "hockey stick", claiming that the data was falsified to hide the fact that tree rings were telling the real story. Since the hockey stick was falsified, some claim, the entire science behind human-caused global warming needs to be questioned. This is plain ludicrous. The graph was never published in a scientific journal. Several updated versions of the "hockey stick" graph have been published in the ten years since the disputed graph was produced, and the "hockey stick" can be reproduced in essentially the same form excluding the controversial tree rings, using other paleoclimate data such as boreholes (See Mann et al., 2008, Figure 2). Furthermore, the peer-reviewed science supporting human-caused global warming is not based solely upon the "hockey stick" and the CRU data used for the last 150 years of the hockey stick graph. There are three separate data sets of global temperatures maintained by NASA, the CRU, and NOAA's National Climatic Data Center, that all show essentially the same global warming. We also have evidence from nature herself in the form of plants and animals expanding their ranges poleward, the record loss of Arctic sea ice in 2007 and record loss of multi-year Arctic sea ice this year, the shrinking of mountain glaciers, reductions in the length of freeze season in many Northern Hemisphere lakes and rivers, the shifting of spring blooms earlier in most regions of the world, and on and on and on. Again, Jones should have spoken up immediately to kill the ridiculous hype being pushed by global warming contrarians about the importance of a 10-year old graph that is now scientifically irrelevant, and was never published.


Figure 2. The "hockey stick" of global temperature anomalies since 300 A.D., as published in a 2008 paper in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences by Mann et al.. Even if one excludes tree rings (blue curve), the hockey stick looks the same.

Resistance to releasing data to other researchers
The hacked emails also show that Dr. Jones resisted releasing his data to contrarians and urged others to delete emails regarding Freedom Of Information (FOI) related requests. Many countries protect their weather data under an international agreement called World Meteorological Organization Resolution 40, which prohibits the data from being made public (this is why wunderground can't give out the UKMET model forecasts on our web site, for example). About 5% of the CRU data fell in that category, making release illegal. However, deleting emails related to FOI requests is inadvisable and implies one has something to hide. The investigation should certainly pursue the issue of whether Dr. Jones properly handled the requests to turn over his data to outside researchers. Ideally, weather data documenting Earth's climate history should be free to everyone on the planet (I am not a big fan of WMO Resolution 40). However, another aspect to this issue is the time it takes for the scientists involved to prepare the data for release. Large, complicated data sets require extensive documentation and access to related computer codes in order to process them, and making the data available to every amateur investigator interested in the data puts an unfair burden on the scientists who maintain the data sets. In particular, an amateur climate science investigator named Stephen McIntyre, who runs the web site Climate Audit, has created such an issue. McIntyre, a retired mining executive and an investor, is not a professional scientist, but has been successful identifying several technical errors made in the published literature. He has also generated a huge amount of misleading and incorrect information over the years, and has done a tremendous amount of damage to the understanding of climate science. McIntyre is intent on discrediting the science of human-caused global warming--presumably for ideological reasons, since he has no obvious ties to the fossil fuel industry--and has generated a large number of Freedom of Information requests to further his cause. One of the hacked emails, from Dr. Ben Santer, complained that McIntyre's FOI requests were intrusive and unreasonable with no scientific justification or explanation given, and appeared to be a calculated strategy to divert Santer's attention and focus away from research. It's worth reading Santer's reaction to the hacked email affair to learn more. Given such tactics by McIntyre, Dr. Jones' resistance to FOI requests from McIntyre is understandable, but appears to have been poorly handled.

The science of human-caused global warming remains unaffected
None of the hacked emails reveal any conspiracy to publish falsified or "fudged" material in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. The science of human-caused global warming will require no revision as a result of this affair. Baseless accusations of fraud, data manipulation, and conspiracy against climate change scientists stemming from the hacked emails are being massively hyped by the Manufactured Doubt industry in an effort to discredit climate scientists, since no flaw with the science can be found. Most of the public is in no position to distinguish good science from bad, so if you can create doubt, uncertainty, and confusion, you can win--or at least buy time, lots of it. The hacked email affair is all about politics, not science. Dr. Jones is an excellent scientist, but unfortunately was over-matched as a politician. It was hardly a fair fight--one scientist against the political might of the mightiest PR campaign against science ever waged, armed with some selectively culled stolen emails taken out of context.

Other posts in this series
The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy
Is more CO2 beneficial for Earth's ecosystems?

Next post
I'm working on a post called, "Don't shoot the messenger", and plan to run this Sunday or Monday.

Our Climate Change expert, Dr. Ricky Rood, will be in Copenhagen for Monday's start to the crucial COP15 climate change treaty negotiations. Be sure to tune into his blog for updates on the talks. Wunderground has provided financial support for several University of Michigan students to attend the talks, and I may be featuring portions of their blogs over the coming weeks.

Jeff Masters

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915. Patrap..There is cold Arctic air that is feeding into this developing storm system. Although the NOLA dewpoint is 39F, it may actually drop during the day..You may be in for aurprise!!
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How do Liberating WW-2 Veterans enter the conversation here?

Without them,no one would be chatting here.


The Greatest Generation isnt a misnomer,its a Truism fact.
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Huh? What are you smoking this morning Doug? There is no way you can sit there with a straight face and say that Fox News is an unbiased news source. Wow!



FOX's opinion programing does lean to the right. Especially Hannity.
But MSNBC? Wayyyy left. More so than FOX is right. Also check the ratings. MSNBC is a joke.
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921. IKE
Quoting quakeman55:

What's your take on this, IKE? Shouldn't we get some snow here in the panhandle? I can't see why not...the mets seem to keep dismissing the idea though.


I don't know...based on what this mornings forecasts are....no.

That could change though.
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Quoting tornadodude:
Soooooo..... there is a record winter storm going on in Texas right now.... :P


ROFL
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Actually see rain drops now.....starting to get happy
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918. amd
interestingly, Rupert Murdoch, the guy who owns News Corp., which runs Fox, Fox News, and other media outlets, believes that global warming is real.

But, back to the snow in Houston. Big flakes are falling at the Texas Medical Center.

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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
Actually, I think some of the best equipment still comes from Germany and/or Japan...sorry WWII Vets, sigh.


actually, a big reason why some of the best equipment comes from these countries is because of what our Vets did in the countries. They essentially liberated them and allowed them to become prosperous, self-sufficient, and technologically advanced.
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Quoting jeffs713:

I agree about the videography. They are very good at framing what they video, and presenting it in an interesting context. (probably comes from some crossover expertise from Fox Sports)

Good point. Many of the best techs, no matter where they come from, like to work the Olympics, too. Exhausting hours, but Huge Bucks! (At least to po' little me.)
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Huh? What are you smoking this morning Doug? There is no way you can sit there with a straight face and say that Fox News is an unbiased news source. Wow!


Their all bias, but its media and they've become very powerful. Just dont take everything so serious when watching especially political stuff, others wise its same old same old stuff, this place got robbed and somebody got shot.
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


I'm LOL'ing, but you did notice I said VIDEOGRAPHY, oui? From technical standpoint? You KNOW they have the bucks to buy the best equipment (from China? ARRGGGHHHH. LOL, I am so goofy when I crack myself up...Floodman, send meds)! Actually, I think some of the best equipment still comes from Germany and/or Japan...sorry WWII Vets, sigh.
Oh, and kudos to the Fox techs. Most broadcast techs don't give 2 bits about the politics of their employer... they love the Big Boy Toys! Whoo Hoo!
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The FOX News Network is simply amazing. Reminds me of the McLaughlin report from SNL skit back in the early 1990's..Click on this link, for a good laugh..

Link
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Soooooo..... there is a record winter storm going on in Texas right now.... :P
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Huh? What are you smoking this morning Doug? There is no way you can sit there with a straight face and say that Fox News is an unbiased news source. Wow!

It's hard to find a news source that doesn't have at least SOME bias, but Faux News (aka the GOP News Network) clearly has the most.
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


I'm LOL'ing, but you did notice I said VIDEOGRAPHY, oui? From technical standpoint? You KNOW they have the bucks to buy the best equipment (from China? ARRGGGHHHH. LOL, I am so goofy when I crack myself up...Floodman, send meds)! Actually, I think some of the best equipment still comes from Germany and/or Japan...sorry WWII Vets, sigh.
Oh, and kudos to the Fox techs. Most broadcast techs don't give 2 bits about the politics of their employer... they love the Big Boy Toys! Whoo Hoo!
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I agree about the videography. They are very good at framing what they video, and presenting it in an interesting context. (probably comes from some crossover expertise from Fox Sports)
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Quoting Buhdog:
what is this wet stuff coming down in Ft myers? cant be......rain can it? SO HAPPY...I just wish it was saturday and i could be on the lanai or in bed listening to this. Funny how you come to yearn for rainy days living in paradise.


Amen brother!
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
I'm not gonna get sucked into this any further.
You guys never watch FOX. And I bet you get your "facts" about Fox from left-wing websites.

I watch 'em all.


Huh? What are you smoking this morning Doug? There is no way you can sit there with a straight face and say that Fox News is an unbiased news source. Wow!
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AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HOUSTON/GALVESTON TX
940 AM CST FRI DEC 4 2009

.DISCUSSION...
RAIN HAS CHANGED OVER TO SNOW OVER MOST OF THE SOUTHEAST TEXAS
THIS MORNING. NO REAL CHANGE TO CURRENT THINKING AS ISENTROPIC
UPGLIDE WILL PERSIST AND UPPER LEVEL JET MAX PROVIDES ADDITIONAL
LIFT. 12Z MORNING ANALYSIS SHOWS 850 TEMPS NEAR ZERO AND PLENTY OF
MOISTURE. 300 MB ANALYSIS STILL SHOWS JET ENERGY DIGGING SOUTH ON
THE BACKSIDE OF AN UPPER TROUGH AND SE TX IN A RIGHT REAR QUAD. SOME
CONCERN THAT ACCUMULATIONS MIGHT BE A BIT OVERDONE BUT SINCE THE
CHANGEOVER TO SNOW OCCURRED SO EARLY...FEEL IT IS BEST TO LEAVE
THINGS AS IS.

REPORTS OF AN INCH OF SNOW IN JACKSON COUNTY THIS MORNING AND
HEAVY SNOW IN PARTS OF PEARLAND AND FRESNO. OTHER REPORTS OF
HEAVY SNOW ALONG US 59 IN WHARTON AND FT BEND COUNTIES. HAVE
EXTENDED THE WINTER STORM WARNING TO INCLUDE JACKSON...WHARTON AND
MATAGORDA COUNTIES.

DRY DEW POINT AIR IS ADVECTING INTO THE REGION AND CONCERN IS
GROWING THAT SURFACE TEMPS WILL FALL BELOW FREEZING A LITTLE
EARLIER THAN PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT AS PRECIP EVAPS AND COOLS TEMPS.
NEW ZONES OUT BY 10 AM.
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what is this wet stuff coming down in Ft myers? cant be......rain can it? SO HAPPY...I just wish it was saturday and i could be on the lanai or in bed listening to this. Funny how you come to yearn for rainy days living in paradise.
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Quoting IKE:


Well shucks...close but no cigar:(

What's your take on this, IKE? Shouldn't we get some snow here in the panhandle? I can't see why not...the mets seem to keep dismissing the idea though.
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Quoting Bordonaro:


FOX NEWS leans so far to the RIGHT, it falls off the edge of the PLANET :0)


I'm LOL'ing, but you did notice I said VIDEOGRAPHY, oui? From technical standpoint? You KNOW they have the bucks to buy the best equipment (from China? ARRGGGHHHH. LOL, I am so goofy when I crack myself up...Floodman, send meds)! Actually, I think some of the best equipment still comes from Germany and/or Japan...sorry WWII Vets, sigh.
Oh, and kudos to the Fox techs. Most broadcast techs don't give 2 bits about the politics of their employer... they love the Big Boy Toys! Whoo Hoo!
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Shall I go on?


Knock yourself out.
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900. IKE
Quoting mossyhead:
Crestview, Florida is forecast to get some snow flurries after midnight while 25 miles to east at Defuniak Springs, Florida they are calling for just rain. Temps will be around 35 in Crestview, while in Defuniak it suppose to be around 38.


Well shucks...close but no cigar:(
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I'm not gonna get sucked into this any further.
You guys never watch FOX. And I bet you get your "facts" about Fox from left-wing websites.

I watch 'em all.
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Quoting jeffs713:

Fox news isn't really news any more. They don't present both sides of the case, and haven't for years. It is more of an opinion channel loosely based on current events.


And you think the other news channels have presented both sides...LOL
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

Agreed! Also "HOUSE", love the grouch/grinch.
From a broadcasting point of view, FOX has great videography on weather and disaster events.
Hmm, I don't have technology to have Fox pics and MSNBC/CNN audio...wait, yes I do, duh.


Lie To Me is a great show too!
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Quoting calusakat:

I am absolutely confident that if they had come out in support of AGW, you would have been all gushy and congratulating them on their wise conclusions.

Get a grip. The data has been manipulated by the AGW making it invalid. They admit to the manipulation, only they called it 'homogenized', so if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck and it walks like a duck, it is a duck.

Time to demand open and free exchange of unaltered information to the entire world. Nothing more nothing less.

Let the whole world decide for itself, not just a minuscule group of biased scientist/politicians.


The fossil fuel industry never manipulates any data to try and make it seem as if their industry is perfectly harmless to the environment, right? Good Lord the hypocrisy and double standards on here are enough to induce vomiting.
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Why don't you just let politics get in the way of thinking?

And its not politics when you reject opposing views of the GW debate?

How does that work?

Hiding data, hiding methodology...thats okay when its about AGW ehh.
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Houston Hobby Airport
Lat: 29.65 Lon: -95.28 Elev: 85
Last Update on Dec 4, 9:53 am CST

Light Snow Fog/Mist

33 °F
(1 °C)
Humidity: 92 %
Wind Speed: N 14 MPH
Barometer: 30.32" (1027.2 mb)
Dewpoint: 31 °F (-1 °C)
Wind Chill: 23 °F (-5 °C)
Visibility: 0.75 mi.

Victoria Regional Airport
Lat: 28.86 Lon: -96.92 Elev: 115
Last Update on Dec 4, 9:51 am CST

Light Snow Fog/Mist

35 °F
(2 °C)
Humidity: 93 %
Wind Speed: N 16 G 22 MPH
Barometer: 30.33" (1026.8 mb)
Dewpoint: 33 °F (1 °C)
Wind Chill: 25 °F (-4 °C)
Visibility: 2.00 mi.

Houston / Ellington
Lat: 29.62 Lon: -95.17 Elev: 39
Last Update on Dec 4, 9:50 am CST

Snow

34 °F
(1 °C)
Humidity: 100 %
Wind Speed: NW 12 MPH
Barometer: 30.34"
Dewpoint: 34 °F (1 °C)
Wind Chill: 26 °F (-3 °C)
Visibility: 1.00 mi.
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Feeling better by lunchtime today! Great rain event shaping up right now...


Yeah, the GFS earlier in the week showed the bigger punch on Fri & Sat.
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:




Obviously you don't Fox or you would know thats a load of bs. Go drink some more koolaid.

How many examples would you like?
1. Presidential debates:
Every major news organization rated the debates as even, or with a slight bias to Obama. On Fox News, McCain was consistently winning by an 80/20 margin or better, in every debate.
2. Nearly every major announcement by the White House with Obama in office:
Fox news presents the conservative viewpoint first, followed by the liberal one. Generally more time is given to conservative commentators.
3. The whole "tea party" thing:
Fox news covered it extensively, and added quite a bit of hype to it. The other news organizations covered it, but they covered BOTH SIDES.
4. The global warming debate:
Fox news gives quite a bit more air time to people discounting it, and has featured more ads against GW. Other media channels have featured ads from both sides.
5. General advertisements:
Fox features quite a few more ads from conservative groups, and very few ones from the liberal viewpoint. Other media channels feature ads from both sides.

Shall I go on?
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

Agreed! Also "HOUSE", love the grouch/grinch.
From a broadcasting point of view, FOX has great videography on weather and disaster events.
Hmm, I don't have technology to have Fox pics and MSNBC/CNN audio...wait, yes I do, duh.


FOX NEWS leans so far to the RIGHT, it falls off the edge of the PLANET :0)
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Quoting jeffs713:


CNN is best defined as mostly center, with a slight left bias. MSNBC leans left, but not severely so. Fox leans severely to the right. The AP tends to lean a bit left, (but is probably the closest to center), and Reuters will sometimes lean a bit to the right, but not always. Also, if you can find the article, BBC (the US version of the site) is an excellent source of mostly unbiased info.


Perfect assessment. Thanks Jeff!
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*inserts climate change conversation filter, and proceeds to follow the record winter storm in the South*
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MSNBC leans left, but not severely so.




lmao!
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:




Obviously you don't Fox or you would know thats a load of bs. Go drink some more koolaid.


Uh, hello? If you watch Faux News and think it's fair and balanced then you've been drinking more than Kool-Aid. Lay off the sauce Doug.
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Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:


A blend of CNN and MSNBC has always fit that bill for me. Fox, ehh, good for the Simpson's and the occasional football game, imo.

Agreed! Also "HOUSE", love the grouch/grinch.
From a broadcasting point of view, FOX has great videography on weather and disaster events.
Hmm, I don't have technology to have Fox pics and MSNBC/CNN audio...wait, yes I do, duh.
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Quoting stormygace:
" McIntyre, a retired mining executive and an investor, is not a professional scientist, but has been successful identifying several technical errors made in the published literature. He has also generated a huge amount of misleading and incorrect information over the years, and has done a tremendous amount of damage to the understanding of climate science. "

Really now Jeff? So figurehead & soon-to-be world's first "green billionaire" Al Gore has what qualifications to be sounding the clarion to rally all against AGW? Is he a "professional scientist" (with all the effete elite dismissive wrist flipping tone that goes with that phrase in this context)? "Discovering the internet" doesn't count. Being involved in mining clearly does not qualify McIntyre so it would seem the Gore's zinc strip mining interests don't qualify either. So Gore (without any professional qualifications) is to be taken as a figurehead based on what? Yeah, sure.
Twist & turn & wriggle.
All the hoopla has nothing to do with AGW (now re-branded to "climate change" since it is getting so darned cold in some places - snow now Houston?) - but everything to do with enriching "green" promoters & hamstringing the US economically with "Cap and Trade"(redistributionist theology). Love the sneering about qualifications when the message doesn't suit one's New Religion. Not a peep when those overconsuming endomorphic twins, Al Gore & Michael Mooore, with no qualifications as "professional scientist(s)" are spreading that good AGW (er, climate change) word - why not?


Why don't you just let politics get in the way of thinking?
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Congrats to Southeast Texas for the awesome snow you're getting! Had really hoped we would get that sort of snow here in Hattiesburg and up until this morning, it looked like a good possibility. We had a Winter Storm Watch for 1-3" amounts, possibly higher last night. Now, it's down to an advisory with 1" accumulations. However, the 00z and 6z runs of the GFS were drier, which led to the reduction. Now, the 12z GFS shows deeper moisture in South MS, South AL, and Southern Louisiana. Anyone want to chime in on this? The NAM has been very consistent with its deeper moisture over our area. Hopefully, the 12z GFS is settling in with the NAM!
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Quoting jeffs713:

Fox news isn't really news any more. They don't present both sides of the case, and haven't for years. It is more of an opinion channel loosely based on current events.

I am absolutely confident that if they had come out in support of AGW, you would have been all gushy and congratulating them on their wise conclusions.

Get a grip. The data has been manipulated by the AGW making it invalid. They admit to the manipulation, only they called it 'homogenized', so if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck and it walks like a duck, it is a duck.

Time to demand open and free exchange of unaltered information to the entire world. Nothing more nothing less.

Let the whole world decide for itself, not just a minuscule group of biased scientist/politicians.
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Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:


A blend of CNN and MSNBC has always fit that bill for me. Fox, ehh, good for the Simpson's and the occasional football game, imo.


CNN is best defined as mostly center, with a slight left bias. MSNBC leans left, but not severely so. Fox leans severely to the right. The AP tends to lean a bit left, (but is probably the closest to center), and Reuters will sometimes lean a bit to the right, but not always. Also, if you can find the article, BBC (the US version of the site) is an excellent source of mostly unbiased info.
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Quoting jeffs713:

Fox news isn't really news any more. They don't present both sides of the case, and haven't for years. It is more of an opinion channel loosely based on current events.




Obviously you don't Fox or you would know thats a load of bs. Go drink some more koolaid.
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" McIntyre, a retired mining executive and an investor, is not a professional scientist, but has been successful identifying several technical errors made in the published literature. He has also generated a huge amount of misleading and incorrect information over the years, and has done a tremendous amount of damage to the understanding of climate science. "

Really now Jeff? So figurehead & soon-to-be world's first "green billionaire" Al Gore has what qualifications to be sounding the clarion to rally all against AGW? Is he a "professional scientist" (with all the effete elite dismissive wrist flipping tone that goes with that phrase in this context)? "Discovering the internet" doesn't count. Being involved in mining clearly does not qualify McIntyre so it would seem the Gore's zinc strip mining interests don't qualify either. So Gore (without any professional qualifications) is to be taken as a figurehead based on what? Yeah, sure.
Twist & turn & wriggle.
All the hoopla has nothing to do with AGW (now re-branded to "climate change" since it is getting so darned cold in some places - snow now Houston?) - but everything to do with enriching "green" promoters & hamstringing the US economically with "Cap and Trade"(redistributionist theology). Love the sneering about qualifications when the message doesn't suit one's New Religion. Not a peep when those overconsuming endomorphic twins, Al Gore & Michael Mooore, with no qualifications as "professional scientist(s)" are spreading that good AGW (er, climate change) word - why not?
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P.S. Everybody's pics are great! We have some amazing photographers and/or posters of others' photos here. Congrats and glad you all are enjoying the snow. I can wait; delayed rewards -- that's debate-able (sp?) if you know how how metro DC drivers drive in any kind of weather...badly!
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Quoting mossyhead:
Crestview, Florida is forecast to get some snow flurries after midnight while 25 miles to east at Defuniak Springs, Florida they are calling for just rain. Temps will be around 35 in Crestview, while in Defuniak it suppose to be around 38.

I keep wondering why the mets keep dismissing the idea of snow or a rain/snow mix for the western FL panhandle, when places further west are already forecast to get it. Upper 30's is cold enough for snow...
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Quoting pearlandaggie:






HO, HO, HO MERRY CHRISTMAS :0 )
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


And your point would be? Is there a CREDIBLE news source that is reporting this?
Those GW people are a bunch of criminals for wanting to make the planet a better place.
I sure wish all this outrage could be directed at people who are actually doing harm to the world such as oil companies, toxic waste dumpers or those who are deforesting. That would make too much sense.


Exactly. While there are very informed people on both sides of the debate, I see some personal agendas in some arguments, and quite a few mindless sheep following the opinion du jour.
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Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.