Embattled UK climate scientist steps down

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:53 PM GMT on December 03, 2009

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The embattled director of the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU), Dr. Phil Jones, announced that he will be temporarily standing aside as director. An independent review of his conduct in light of the emails illegally hacked from his computers last month is in progress. In a press release, Professor Jones said: "What is most important is that CRU continues its world leading research with as little interruption and diversion as possible. After a good deal of consideration I have decided that the best way to achieve this is by stepping aside from the Director's role during the course of the independent review and am grateful to the University for agreeing to this. The Review process will have my full support".

The University and the police are investigating the break-in, and it is currently unknown if this was the act of an insider or an external break-in. I think it is highly unlikely this was the work of an insider in a whistle-blower type of action, since a computer at realclimate.org was hacked into the same week (via a computer in Turkey), and the criminal attempted to upload the emails stolen from CRU to the realclimate.org server. This is not the sort of action a whistleblower would do. Dr. Gavin Schmidt of realclimate.org said in a comment yesterday that the CRU break-in appeared to have been done from the outside, into a backup mail server. It is unlikely the hacker acted alone, since hackers aren't typically intimately familiar with the details of the climate change science debate. The emails and code stolen were selectively culled by someone who appeared to have considerable expertise in climate science.

What did Dr. Jones do wrong?
So, what did Dr. Jones do wrong? For starters, he should have confronted the allegations raised by his critics immediately and talked candidly to the press about some of the specific accusations being made. For example, one of the emails contained the statement that he would like to "redefine what the peer-reviewed literature is" to exclude two questionable papers from the IPCC report. Well, that's not something a good scientist should seriously advocate, and is an impossibility, in any case. No one can redefine the peer-reviewed literature, since the rules for this are well-established an not subject to change. When I read the comment in the context it was made, it reads as a joke. There is no discussion in the hacked emails about how to go about redefining the peer-reviewed literature. In the end, the two papers Jones was referring to with this comment, McKitrick and Michaels (2004) and Kalnay and Cai (2003), ended up being cited and discussed in Chapter 2 of the IPCC AR4 report. Those intent on discrediting the science of human-caused global warming are spinning the comment differently, creating a controversy about something that is impossible to do, and was not being seriously suggested. Jones should have immediately spoken up to quash the hype on this comment.

The "trick" to "hide the decline"
Another area of concern is over a graph Dr. Jones helped construct in 1999 showing the "hockey stick" of Earth's surface temperature going back 1,000 years. This graph combined instrumental measurements made since the 1800s with older paleoclimate data (including data from tree rings) to show a continuous 1,000 year record of Earth's temperatures. The paleoclimate data after 1960 show a bogus decline in Earth's temperatures that does not agree with what modern thermometers have been measuring, due to a well-known variation in tree ring thickness as a function of time, referred to as "the decline". Thus, Jones elected to toss out the bogus paleoclimate data (using a "trick" to "hide the decline") rather than present it in the graph. The graph was not properly labeled to show this was done, so viewers of the graph would have had needed to be familiar with a 1998 paper published in Nature or the 1999 paper referenced in the caption on the graph, which explained this well-known data issue. The graph that Jones used his "trick" on was put into a 1999 report called the "WMO Statement on the Status of the Global Climate". The report was given to policy makers, but was never published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. No reputable climate scientist believes that the paleoclimate data since 1960 is of higher quality than the instrumental record (this is discussed in detail in Chapter 6 of the 2007 IPCC report). In order to make the "hokey stick" graph less confusing, removing "the decline" from the tree ring data is a reasonable thing to do--provided one labels the graph properly. The graph was not properly labeled. Does Jones' "trick" and failure to properly label the graph constitute data falsification, or was it merely sloppy science? The hacked emails contain no suggestions that the "trick" was done to intentionally fool people, and the "trick" never appeared in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, including the IPCC reports. In Dr. Jones' words, "This is well-known and is called the "decline" or "divergence". The use of the term "hiding the decline" was in an email written in haste. CRU has not sought to hide the decline. Indeed, CRU has published a number of articles that both illustrate, and discuss the implications of, this recent tree-ring decline, including the article that is listed in the legend of the WMO Statement figure".




Figure 1. The WMO 1999 "hockey stick" figure (top) with climate reconstructions and instrumental temperatures merged, and a version (bottom) with the climate reconstructions (coloured) and instrumental temperatures (annual & summer in black) shown separately. Note "the decline" in the temperature obtained from tree ring data (green curve) in the bottom curve. Image credit: University of East Anglia.

Global warming contrarians are spinning the "trick" as reason to discredit the "hockey stick", claiming that the data was falsified to hide the fact that tree rings were telling the real story. Since the hockey stick was falsified, some claim, the entire science behind human-caused global warming needs to be questioned. This is plain ludicrous. The graph was never published in a scientific journal. Several updated versions of the "hockey stick" graph have been published in the ten years since the disputed graph was produced, and the "hockey stick" can be reproduced in essentially the same form excluding the controversial tree rings, using other paleoclimate data such as boreholes (See Mann et al., 2008, Figure 2). Furthermore, the peer-reviewed science supporting human-caused global warming is not based solely upon the "hockey stick" and the CRU data used for the last 150 years of the hockey stick graph. There are three separate data sets of global temperatures maintained by NASA, the CRU, and NOAA's National Climatic Data Center, that all show essentially the same global warming. We also have evidence from nature herself in the form of plants and animals expanding their ranges poleward, the record loss of Arctic sea ice in 2007 and record loss of multi-year Arctic sea ice this year, the shrinking of mountain glaciers, reductions in the length of freeze season in many Northern Hemisphere lakes and rivers, the shifting of spring blooms earlier in most regions of the world, and on and on and on. Again, Jones should have spoken up immediately to kill the ridiculous hype being pushed by global warming contrarians about the importance of a 10-year old graph that is now scientifically irrelevant, and was never published.


Figure 2. The "hockey stick" of global temperature anomalies since 300 A.D., as published in a 2008 paper in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences by Mann et al.. Even if one excludes tree rings (blue curve), the hockey stick looks the same.

Resistance to releasing data to other researchers
The hacked emails also show that Dr. Jones resisted releasing his data to contrarians and urged others to delete emails regarding Freedom Of Information (FOI) related requests. Many countries protect their weather data under an international agreement called World Meteorological Organization Resolution 40, which prohibits the data from being made public (this is why wunderground can't give out the UKMET model forecasts on our web site, for example). About 5% of the CRU data fell in that category, making release illegal. However, deleting emails related to FOI requests is inadvisable and implies one has something to hide. The investigation should certainly pursue the issue of whether Dr. Jones properly handled the requests to turn over his data to outside researchers. Ideally, weather data documenting Earth's climate history should be free to everyone on the planet (I am not a big fan of WMO Resolution 40). However, another aspect to this issue is the time it takes for the scientists involved to prepare the data for release. Large, complicated data sets require extensive documentation and access to related computer codes in order to process them, and making the data available to every amateur investigator interested in the data puts an unfair burden on the scientists who maintain the data sets. In particular, an amateur climate science investigator named Stephen McIntyre, who runs the web site Climate Audit, has created such an issue. McIntyre, a retired mining executive and an investor, is not a professional scientist, but has been successful identifying several technical errors made in the published literature. He has also generated a huge amount of misleading and incorrect information over the years, and has done a tremendous amount of damage to the understanding of climate science. McIntyre is intent on discrediting the science of human-caused global warming--presumably for ideological reasons, since he has no obvious ties to the fossil fuel industry--and has generated a large number of Freedom of Information requests to further his cause. One of the hacked emails, from Dr. Ben Santer, complained that McIntyre's FOI requests were intrusive and unreasonable with no scientific justification or explanation given, and appeared to be a calculated strategy to divert Santer's attention and focus away from research. It's worth reading Santer's reaction to the hacked email affair to learn more. Given such tactics by McIntyre, Dr. Jones' resistance to FOI requests from McIntyre is understandable, but appears to have been poorly handled.

The science of human-caused global warming remains unaffected
None of the hacked emails reveal any conspiracy to publish falsified or "fudged" material in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. The science of human-caused global warming will require no revision as a result of this affair. Baseless accusations of fraud, data manipulation, and conspiracy against climate change scientists stemming from the hacked emails are being massively hyped by the Manufactured Doubt industry in an effort to discredit climate scientists, since no flaw with the science can be found. Most of the public is in no position to distinguish good science from bad, so if you can create doubt, uncertainty, and confusion, you can win--or at least buy time, lots of it. The hacked email affair is all about politics, not science. Dr. Jones is an excellent scientist, but unfortunately was over-matched as a politician. It was hardly a fair fight--one scientist against the political might of the mightiest PR campaign against science ever waged, armed with some selectively culled stolen emails taken out of context.

Other posts in this series
The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy
Is more CO2 beneficial for Earth's ecosystems?

Next post
I'm working on a post called, "Don't shoot the messenger", and plan to run this Sunday or Monday.

Our Climate Change expert, Dr. Ricky Rood, will be in Copenhagen for Monday's start to the crucial COP15 climate change treaty negotiations. Be sure to tune into his blog for updates on the talks. Wunderground has provided financial support for several University of Michigan students to attend the talks, and I may be featuring portions of their blogs over the coming weeks.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting Patrap:

Check out the Regional radar of the South


Can you sent some of that purple stuff to the panahandle Pat, we've had enough with normal ol boring rain.
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


My condolences...


LOL I didnt say I bow down to them and proclaim their supremacy over other news(?) sources :P
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Quoting Patrap:

Check out the Regional radar of the South

Nice image. Pat you think that nasty line along the TX gulf coast is headed for you?
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1977/78 El Niño

On January 19, 1977, Miami received its first and only recorded snowfall. It only consisted of extremely light flurries, but this Blizzard of 1977 is the only snowfall our fair city has ever seen.
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Quoting peejodo:
In an attempt to lighten the leaning right or leaning left war that's developing in some of the last 70 or posts. Laugh at me or with me but just laugh or at least snicker.

Special alert for GOM coast Tx, La, Ms, Al, FlPh;
It has been discovered by agore that what you are seeing is not snow. It is ionized volcanic ash captured after the Redoubt volcanic venting this summer. It was impregnated with synthetic stem cell polymers and incubated in uranium enriched caves in Uzbekistan. It was then flown by a captured and rebuilt SR-71 to be dropped at this time to simulate snow. This was funded by Fox News to farther exploit the AGW hacking. LOL and haven't even started on the egg nog yet......


LOL, that's pretty good. Did you write that yourself? You know we've also gotten slammed here for not citing sources, or linking to mainstream media (oh my God, Popular Science or National Geo. or AP...you know how dangerous THEY are) and not academic/technical sources (because of course us unprincipled, ignorant masses should trust what very few even understand)!

uh oh, a mini-rant. Sorry, thought your post was funny/cute!
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Quoting tornadodude:


LOL I like fox news, but that is some funny stuff!!


My condolences...
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Quoting Patrap:

Check out the Regional radar of the South


there's some pretty heavy precipitation of the coast of Texas
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:

Yes, but the problem is that if this pattern continues, global ocean currents could be affected, dangerously altering weather patterns even more, and the new patterns could be self-reinforcing, for example the Bermuda LOW keeping the North American high in place.


Well, I agree. HOWEVER, those with $$$$ who "run things" around the world are deluding themselves!!
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1017. Patrap

Check out the Regional radar of the South
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:



FOX's opinion programing does lean to the right. Especially Hannity.
But MSNBC? Wayyyy left. More so than FOX is right. Also check the ratings. MSNBC is a joke.


CNN (not the headlines news channel) is actually trying to become unbiased atm, i.e. dropping Lou Dobbs. Its quite hard to explain but starting in January you will definatly see a difference in style then from july.

Also im my opinon both and Fox and MSNBC are equally as biased to me. Both essentially have the same style of programming. If you will notice,there is little on both channels dealing with headline news. Most is opinion.

Anyway back to the SNOW.
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Quoting peejodo:
In an attempt to lighten the leaning right or leaning left war that's developing in some of the last 70 or posts. Laugh at me or with me but just laugh or at least snicker.

Special alert for GOM coast Tx, La, Ms, Al, FlPh;
It has been discovered by agore that what you are seeing is not snow. It is ionized volcanic ash captured after the Redoubt volcanic venting this summer. It was impregnated with synthetic stem cell polymers and incubated in uranium enriched caves in Uzbekistan. It was then flown by a captured and rebuilt SR-71 to be dropped at this time to simulate snow. This was funded by Fox News to farther exploit the AGW hacking. LOL and haven't even started on the egg nog yet......


LOL I like fox news, but that is some funny stuff!!
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1013. peejodo
In an attempt to lighten the leaning right or leaning left war that's developing in some of the last 70 or posts. Laugh at me or with me but just laugh or at least snicker.

Special alert for GOM coast Tx, La, Ms, Al, FlPh;
It has been discovered by agore that what you are seeing is not snow. It is ionized volcanic ash captured after the Redoubt volcanic venting this summer. It was impregnated with synthetic stem cell polymers and incubated in uranium enriched caves in Uzbekistan. It was then flown by a captured and rebuilt SR-71 to be dropped at this time to simulate snow. This was funded by Fox News to farther exploit the AGW hacking. LOL and haven't even started on the egg nog yet......
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1012. Patrap
Quoting ElConando:


Snow in Pensacola? heh as Aerosmith says "DREAM ON!!!"


In 79 I think it was,went diving at Morrison Springs in the Fla. Panhandle.
Went down for 30 minutes,came up..was snowing and sleeting.
Mardi Gras time.
As we we went to Fla on Vacation.
Musta been Jan or Feb.
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Just cloudy and cool in Baton Rouge. I am hoping that it holds till 6:30 so I can get home tonight with out any problems.

Quoting Patrap:
After Sunset,things are gonna go Nutz in a wide area,..
Lotsa tow trucks will be needed.


Baton Rouge should be fun around 5:30-6pm when we get there.


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brrrr
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1008. Patrap
Red Stick's Dewpoint Down 2 degrees to 34F in the last Hour.

Baton Rouge, Louisiana (Airport)
Updated: 7 min 5 sec ago
Mostly Cloudy
46 °F
Mostly Cloudy
Windchill: 42 °F
Humidity: 63%
Dew Point: 34 °F
Wind: 7 mph from the North
Pressure: 30.16 in (Falling)
Visibility: 10.0 miles
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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Anyone see the 300 hr 12z GFS? Dare to dream...


Snow in Pensacola? heh as Aerosmith says "DREAM ON!!!"
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Quoting calusakat:

Two wrongs make a right?

Is that what you are saying?



No, what I'm saying is those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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Gonna be a chilly weekand here in Tallahasse, no snow of course but i'm holding on to a flurry chance sometime in Jan-feb. is trends continue.
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1004. Patrap
from the Lake Charles discussion..the key paragraph .

Based on current observation...have adjusted winter hazards to begin 3
hours earlier for all areas. Also concerned that southern zones
may need an upgrade to a Winter Storm Warning...as heaviest
precipitation may set up in a corridor further south than
previously anticipated. However... this is dependent on when the
complete changeover to snow occurs and how quickly accumulations
can begin. At this time...our current forecast snow totals of 1 to
3 inches in northern zones and up to 2 inches in southern zones
still appears reasonable.
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Wow, this is weird...I'm seeing large cumulus clouds in Southern Ontario in December.
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Quoting Patrap:
The key to success for the Snow in many areas now is Track,and How the Low takes advantage of the Abundant Moisture it is tapping from the GOM.

Things are changing in that sense.
How fast one gest the colder air,or how fast the surface layer chills from the mix stuff,and the moisture still in play is critical for the Coastal regions. But its looking more and more Like a 2008 event. Or greater with a slightly more Northerly track.

From all the images im seeing it looks like it may end up being a south west/central LA snow event. You and I may get a little but Im expecting mostly the nasty mix. Last year here in Ascension we got more snow then Central LA and even Baton Rouge. You just never know with these storms.
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1001. Patrap
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fxus64 klch 041712
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Area forecast discussion
National Weather Service Lake Charles la
1112 am CST Friday Dec 4 2009


Update...


Historic snowfall event has begun with accumulating snow already
occurring in the Houston area...and a rain/snow mix here at weather forecast office
Lake Charles. 12z klch sounding shows a very favorable profile for
snow...as any precipitation falling through the atmospheric column
will cool the profile to completely below freezing except near the
surface. Rain has already spread across much of the southern zones
this morning...and snow should begin mixing with the rain soon
across most of southeast Texas and southwest Louisiana. A complete
changeover to snow is expected in the western half of the County Warning Area
during the afternoon...and eastern areas by later in the afternoon
and evening.


Based on current observation...have adjusted winter hazards to begin 3
hours earlier for all areas. Also concerned that southern zones
may need an upgrade to a Winter Storm Warning...as heaviest
precipitation may set up in a corridor further south than
previously anticipated. However... this is dependent on when the
complete changeover to snow occurs and how quickly accumulations
can begin. At this time...our current forecast snow totals of 1 to
3 inches in northern zones and up to 2 inches in southern zones
still appears reasonable.


Made adjustments to temperatures to show temperatures falling into the 30s
into the afternoon. Much drier air to the north with dewpoints in
the teens and 20s continues to filter southward. Temperatures may reach
freezing sooner than originally anticipated this evening and
tonight...and may need to start freeze warnings sooner for the
area. Thus hazardous travel conditions are possible as early as
this evening on bridges and overpasses. Will address this more
with the afternoon package depending on how conditions pan out.




Shamburger

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Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:


Classic El Nino.


However, the GFS long range has had big problems with heat transfer this year.

Seems a good guess it that what ever is modeled, expect a 60% return.
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The key to success for the Snow in many areas now is Track,and How the Low takes advantage of the Abundant Moisture it is tapping from the GOM.

Things are changing in that sense.
How fast one get's the colder air,or how fast the surface layer chills from the mix stuff,and the moisture still in play is critical for the Coastal regions. But its looking more and more Like a 2008 event. Or greater with a slightly more Northerly track.
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Quoting Bordonaro:


Take some pictures and post them online, if you can. This way the entire world can see the December 4TH TX Snowstorm :0).


Its not sticking yet...but the flakes are beautiful!

I know, I know...not a big deal to many of you...but we never see this. Last December we got a couple of inches...in 2004 we got 9 inches of snow which was unheard of...but before that it was ummm 36 years??? I was little...
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Quoting Patrap:
After Sunset,things are gonna go Nutz in a wide area,..
Lotsa tow trucks will be needed.


Baton Rouge should be fun around 5:30-6pm when we get there.




Might need a different mode of transport.
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Quoting Bordonaro:


That would not surprise me in the least. The weather in the US has been very, very weird since spring. Boston, MA has not had their 1st freeze yet, but DFW, TX has..Something real cold is probably on its way for the entire CONUS.

Yes, but the problem is that if this pattern continues, global ocean currents could be affected, dangerously altering weather patterns even more, and the new patterns could be self-reinforcing, for example the Bermuda LOW keeping the North American high in place.
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992. It would not surprise me one bit to see 3-7 inch snowfalls across the AOI from SE TX into S Central LA..
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:

Past 240h, the 12z GFS continuously displaces the Bermuda high with giant low pressure systems and floods Continental North America with cold air.


Classic El Nino.
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Quoting AstroHurricane001:

Past 240h, the 12z GFS continuously displaces the Bermuda high with giant low pressure systems and floods Continental North America with cold air.


That would not surprise me in the least. The weather in the US has been very, very weird since spring. Boston, MA has not had their 1st freeze yet, but DFW, TX has..Something real cold is probably on its way for the entire CONUS.
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992. beell
KHEZ - Natchez, MS
KLCH - Lake Charles, LA
KCRP - Corpus Christi, TX



MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 2196
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1020 AM CST FRI DEC 04 2009

AREAS AFFECTED...UPR TX CST...SWRN-CNTRL LA AND EXTREME SWRN MS
CONCERNING...HEAVY SNOW

VALID 041620Z - 042215Z

12Z OBSERVED SOUNDING AT CRP AND RECENT AIRCRAFT OBS SUGGEST THAT
MODELS WERE TOO WARM WITH THE THERMODYNAMIC PROFILE ACROSS THE
REGION. IN ADDITION...DPROG/DT OF THE SHORT-TERM MODEL SUITE
INDICATE A FASTER PROGRESSION OF THE APCHG UPR TROUGH OVER THE TX
BIG BEND REGION. THE RESULT WILL BE AN EARLIER ONSET OF PCPN ACROSS
THE DISCUSSION AREA AND A MORE RAPID PHASE CHANGE TO SNOW...AN
UNUSUAL EVENT FOR EARLY DECEMBER AT THIS LATITUDE.

WEBCAMS IN THE SERN METRO HOUSTON AREA INDICATE THAT RAIN HAS
CHANGED TO SNOW AND PHASE CHANGE TO SLEET SW OF KCRP LEND CREDENCE
TO THE ABOVE THINKING OF A COLDER-THAN-FCST TROPOSPHERE.
AS THE UPR TROUGH CONTINUES ACROSS THE REGION...PWAT VALUES OF
0.8-1" WILL BE DRAWN NEWD ATOP THE SFC COLD DOME...BOOSTING PCPN
RATES/EFFICIENCY. AS PCPN RATES INCREASE...WET-BULB PROCESSES WILL
MAKE FOR DEEP AOB 0 DEG C ISOTHERMAL PROFILES AND RESULT IN A
CHANGEOVER TO ALL SNOW.
AT THIS POINT...HEAVIEST SNOWFALL THROUGH EARLY EVENING WILL LIKELY
OCCUR IN A 40-60 MILE WIDE BAND EXTENDING FROM THE E AND SERN
SUBURBS OF HOUSTON NEWD TO 40 N OF KLCH TO ABOUT 25 S OF KHEZ.
HERE...STRONGEST 850-700 MB FRONTOGENETIC FORCING WILL BECOME
JUXTAPOSED WITH INSTABILITY ALOFT AND RESULT IN THE NARROWING OF THE
HEAVIEST PCPN BANDS. SNOWFALL RATES MAY REACH 1/2-1" PER HOUR AT
TIMES.
..RACY.. 12/04/2009
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Link
This just in for my parish. Pat you better be careful going to BR
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For Brownsville, TX, the rain/sleet mixture is a good sign that the atmosphere is gradually getiing colder, from the 18,000 FT level to the ground. It would not surprise me to see a LITTLE bit of snow in Brownsville, TX..
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Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:


Still has the monster at the end of the run, hehe.

Past 240h, the 12z GFS continuously displaces the Bermuda high with giant low pressure systems and floods Continental North America with cold air.
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This weather is so strange..
Who would have ever thought the gulf coast cities are getting snow yet the northern cities arent lol.
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Quoting Inyo:
we are always having things shoved down our throats. it is ridiculous to presume that this proves or disproves AGW. I also still don't understand what the pro-agw side has to gain... while the anti-agw side has SO MUCH to gain.

Also... snow in houston, no snow in Burlington, unless that storm is a bit west of where it is forecast, we may have our latest snowfall in recorded history (though it will almost certainly snow within a week)


Do you have any idea how many of these have been filed and or settled based upon the now questionable findings of AGW science? or how many trillions of dollars have been spent by the global community based upon the findings? You can bet this will indeed be settled in a court of law, and not on a blog. Just my take.

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF MISSISSIPPI
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So Cantore just mentioned that this band of rain, off shore, is working its way west, and could end up in the Beaumont and Lake Charles area later today, he said there could be a significant surprise with this band. could be interesting

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Snow, NOLA 11 December 2008






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Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Any Louisiana snow reports yet?


I am about 80 miles down I-20 from TX line and no snow yet.
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Quoting rainraingoaway:
Its snowing!! (Danbury, TX--Brazoria County!!)

Hooray! Everybody be safe!


Take some pictures and post them online, if you can. This way the entire world can see the December 4TH TX Snowstorm :0).
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Quoting Patrap:
After Sunset,things are gonna go Nutz in a wide area,..
Lotsa tow trucks will be needed.


Baton Rouge should be fun around 5:30-6pm when we get there.






slip sliding away
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979. IKE
Quoting alaina1085:

That doesnt mean snow for everyone does it?


No...but a large area of the state.
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"It is unlikely the hacker acted alone, since hackers aren't typically intimately familiar with the details of the climate change science debate."

Seems to imply that someone bright enough to break through their security and steal their data would not be bright enough to understand climate science. Of course someone who "claims" to understand climate would naturally be bright enough to hack their network I suppose. How elitist, or possibly just naive.

This type of statement makes you wonder how flawed the rest of the logic is!

Also, the proper term is cracker, not hacker.
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Its snowing!! (Danbury, TX--Brazoria County!!)

Hooray! Everybody be safe!
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Push it south....keep it south....waaaaay south! Yay Texas!!!
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Quoting IKE:
Entire state of Louisiana has winter weather advisories, excluding NO,LA and Houma...Link

That doesnt mean snow for everyone does it?
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