Embattled UK climate scientist steps down

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:53 PM GMT on December 03, 2009

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The embattled director of the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU), Dr. Phil Jones, announced that he will be temporarily standing aside as director. An independent review of his conduct in light of the emails illegally hacked from his computers last month is in progress. In a press release, Professor Jones said: "What is most important is that CRU continues its world leading research with as little interruption and diversion as possible. After a good deal of consideration I have decided that the best way to achieve this is by stepping aside from the Director's role during the course of the independent review and am grateful to the University for agreeing to this. The Review process will have my full support".

The University and the police are investigating the break-in, and it is currently unknown if this was the act of an insider or an external break-in. I think it is highly unlikely this was the work of an insider in a whistle-blower type of action, since a computer at realclimate.org was hacked into the same week (via a computer in Turkey), and the criminal attempted to upload the emails stolen from CRU to the realclimate.org server. This is not the sort of action a whistleblower would do. Dr. Gavin Schmidt of realclimate.org said in a comment yesterday that the CRU break-in appeared to have been done from the outside, into a backup mail server. It is unlikely the hacker acted alone, since hackers aren't typically intimately familiar with the details of the climate change science debate. The emails and code stolen were selectively culled by someone who appeared to have considerable expertise in climate science.

What did Dr. Jones do wrong?
So, what did Dr. Jones do wrong? For starters, he should have confronted the allegations raised by his critics immediately and talked candidly to the press about some of the specific accusations being made. For example, one of the emails contained the statement that he would like to "redefine what the peer-reviewed literature is" to exclude two questionable papers from the IPCC report. Well, that's not something a good scientist should seriously advocate, and is an impossibility, in any case. No one can redefine the peer-reviewed literature, since the rules for this are well-established an not subject to change. When I read the comment in the context it was made, it reads as a joke. There is no discussion in the hacked emails about how to go about redefining the peer-reviewed literature. In the end, the two papers Jones was referring to with this comment, McKitrick and Michaels (2004) and Kalnay and Cai (2003), ended up being cited and discussed in Chapter 2 of the IPCC AR4 report. Those intent on discrediting the science of human-caused global warming are spinning the comment differently, creating a controversy about something that is impossible to do, and was not being seriously suggested. Jones should have immediately spoken up to quash the hype on this comment.

The "trick" to "hide the decline"
Another area of concern is over a graph Dr. Jones helped construct in 1999 showing the "hockey stick" of Earth's surface temperature going back 1,000 years. This graph combined instrumental measurements made since the 1800s with older paleoclimate data (including data from tree rings) to show a continuous 1,000 year record of Earth's temperatures. The paleoclimate data after 1960 show a bogus decline in Earth's temperatures that does not agree with what modern thermometers have been measuring, due to a well-known variation in tree ring thickness as a function of time, referred to as "the decline". Thus, Jones elected to toss out the bogus paleoclimate data (using a "trick" to "hide the decline") rather than present it in the graph. The graph was not properly labeled to show this was done, so viewers of the graph would have had needed to be familiar with a 1998 paper published in Nature or the 1999 paper referenced in the caption on the graph, which explained this well-known data issue. The graph that Jones used his "trick" on was put into a 1999 report called the "WMO Statement on the Status of the Global Climate". The report was given to policy makers, but was never published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. No reputable climate scientist believes that the paleoclimate data since 1960 is of higher quality than the instrumental record (this is discussed in detail in Chapter 6 of the 2007 IPCC report). In order to make the "hokey stick" graph less confusing, removing "the decline" from the tree ring data is a reasonable thing to do--provided one labels the graph properly. The graph was not properly labeled. Does Jones' "trick" and failure to properly label the graph constitute data falsification, or was it merely sloppy science? The hacked emails contain no suggestions that the "trick" was done to intentionally fool people, and the "trick" never appeared in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, including the IPCC reports. In Dr. Jones' words, "This is well-known and is called the "decline" or "divergence". The use of the term "hiding the decline" was in an email written in haste. CRU has not sought to hide the decline. Indeed, CRU has published a number of articles that both illustrate, and discuss the implications of, this recent tree-ring decline, including the article that is listed in the legend of the WMO Statement figure".




Figure 1. The WMO 1999 "hockey stick" figure (top) with climate reconstructions and instrumental temperatures merged, and a version (bottom) with the climate reconstructions (coloured) and instrumental temperatures (annual & summer in black) shown separately. Note "the decline" in the temperature obtained from tree ring data (green curve) in the bottom curve. Image credit: University of East Anglia.

Global warming contrarians are spinning the "trick" as reason to discredit the "hockey stick", claiming that the data was falsified to hide the fact that tree rings were telling the real story. Since the hockey stick was falsified, some claim, the entire science behind human-caused global warming needs to be questioned. This is plain ludicrous. The graph was never published in a scientific journal. Several updated versions of the "hockey stick" graph have been published in the ten years since the disputed graph was produced, and the "hockey stick" can be reproduced in essentially the same form excluding the controversial tree rings, using other paleoclimate data such as boreholes (See Mann et al., 2008, Figure 2). Furthermore, the peer-reviewed science supporting human-caused global warming is not based solely upon the "hockey stick" and the CRU data used for the last 150 years of the hockey stick graph. There are three separate data sets of global temperatures maintained by NASA, the CRU, and NOAA's National Climatic Data Center, that all show essentially the same global warming. We also have evidence from nature herself in the form of plants and animals expanding their ranges poleward, the record loss of Arctic sea ice in 2007 and record loss of multi-year Arctic sea ice this year, the shrinking of mountain glaciers, reductions in the length of freeze season in many Northern Hemisphere lakes and rivers, the shifting of spring blooms earlier in most regions of the world, and on and on and on. Again, Jones should have spoken up immediately to kill the ridiculous hype being pushed by global warming contrarians about the importance of a 10-year old graph that is now scientifically irrelevant, and was never published.


Figure 2. The "hockey stick" of global temperature anomalies since 300 A.D., as published in a 2008 paper in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences by Mann et al.. Even if one excludes tree rings (blue curve), the hockey stick looks the same.

Resistance to releasing data to other researchers
The hacked emails also show that Dr. Jones resisted releasing his data to contrarians and urged others to delete emails regarding Freedom Of Information (FOI) related requests. Many countries protect their weather data under an international agreement called World Meteorological Organization Resolution 40, which prohibits the data from being made public (this is why wunderground can't give out the UKMET model forecasts on our web site, for example). About 5% of the CRU data fell in that category, making release illegal. However, deleting emails related to FOI requests is inadvisable and implies one has something to hide. The investigation should certainly pursue the issue of whether Dr. Jones properly handled the requests to turn over his data to outside researchers. Ideally, weather data documenting Earth's climate history should be free to everyone on the planet (I am not a big fan of WMO Resolution 40). However, another aspect to this issue is the time it takes for the scientists involved to prepare the data for release. Large, complicated data sets require extensive documentation and access to related computer codes in order to process them, and making the data available to every amateur investigator interested in the data puts an unfair burden on the scientists who maintain the data sets. In particular, an amateur climate science investigator named Stephen McIntyre, who runs the web site Climate Audit, has created such an issue. McIntyre, a retired mining executive and an investor, is not a professional scientist, but has been successful identifying several technical errors made in the published literature. He has also generated a huge amount of misleading and incorrect information over the years, and has done a tremendous amount of damage to the understanding of climate science. McIntyre is intent on discrediting the science of human-caused global warming--presumably for ideological reasons, since he has no obvious ties to the fossil fuel industry--and has generated a large number of Freedom of Information requests to further his cause. One of the hacked emails, from Dr. Ben Santer, complained that McIntyre's FOI requests were intrusive and unreasonable with no scientific justification or explanation given, and appeared to be a calculated strategy to divert Santer's attention and focus away from research. It's worth reading Santer's reaction to the hacked email affair to learn more. Given such tactics by McIntyre, Dr. Jones' resistance to FOI requests from McIntyre is understandable, but appears to have been poorly handled.

The science of human-caused global warming remains unaffected
None of the hacked emails reveal any conspiracy to publish falsified or "fudged" material in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. The science of human-caused global warming will require no revision as a result of this affair. Baseless accusations of fraud, data manipulation, and conspiracy against climate change scientists stemming from the hacked emails are being massively hyped by the Manufactured Doubt industry in an effort to discredit climate scientists, since no flaw with the science can be found. Most of the public is in no position to distinguish good science from bad, so if you can create doubt, uncertainty, and confusion, you can win--or at least buy time, lots of it. The hacked email affair is all about politics, not science. Dr. Jones is an excellent scientist, but unfortunately was over-matched as a politician. It was hardly a fair fight--one scientist against the political might of the mightiest PR campaign against science ever waged, armed with some selectively culled stolen emails taken out of context.

Other posts in this series
The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy
Is more CO2 beneficial for Earth's ecosystems?

Next post
I'm working on a post called, "Don't shoot the messenger", and plan to run this Sunday or Monday.

Our Climate Change expert, Dr. Ricky Rood, will be in Copenhagen for Monday's start to the crucial COP15 climate change treaty negotiations. Be sure to tune into his blog for updates on the talks. Wunderground has provided financial support for several University of Michigan students to attend the talks, and I may be featuring portions of their blogs over the coming weeks.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting MississippiWx:


Wow, moderate to heavy snow? Our NWS was talking about moderate snow at the most and it would be brief. Is the forecast changing some? I hope so!

It DEF changed
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Quoting Bordonaro:


MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 2197
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1213 PM CST FRI DEC 04 2009

AREAS AFFECTED...S/CNTRL LA/MS

CONCERNING...HEAVY SNOW

VALID 041813Z - 042215Z

CLIMATOLOGICALLY RARE SNOW EVENT WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP EWD
THROUGH THE EVENING...WITH RAIN TRANSITIONING TO SNOW OVER PARTS
SRN/CNTRL LA AND MS. RATES NEAR .5 TO 1 INCH AN HOUR ARE POSSIBLE.


A BROAD UPPER TROUGH ACROSS THE CNTRL CONUS WILL CONTINUE TO
PROGRESS EWD...WITH NLY/NWLY FLOW ALOFT DRIVING A CONTINENTAL POLAR
AIRMASS SEWD TO THE GULF COAST AS THIS OCCURS. CONFLUENT FLOW ALOFT
AROUND THE BACKSIDE OF THE UPPER TROUGH IS LEADING TO SURFACE
PRESSURE RISES ACROSS MUCH OF TX/LA. THIS WILL ALLOW A SURFACE HIGH
CENTERED ROUGHLY NEAR N CNTRL TX TO DEVELOP SEWD...WITH STRONG COLD
AIR ADVECTION LEADING TO FALLING SURFACE TEMPERATURES THROUGH THE
AFTERNOON/EVENING. 18Z LCH SOUNDING INDICATES A SHALLOW LAYER OF
SUBSATURATED AIR BELOW 900 MB WHERE WET-BULB PROCESSES WILL LIKELY
CONTRIBUTE TO FALLING SURFACE TEMPERATURES. WET-BULB EFFECTS/COLD
AIR ADVECTION HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTING TO A FASTER TRANSITION FROM
RAIN TO SNOW THAN MODEL FORECASTS INDICATED ACROSS SERN TX/SWRN LA.
MOISTURE TRANSPORT NEAR THE COAST WITH PWAT VALUES NEAR .75 TO 1
INCH WILL CONTRIBUTE TO INCREASED PRECIPITATION RATES/EFFICIENCY.
ALTHOUGH GROUND TEMPERATURES ARE ABOVE FREEZING...STEADY SNOWFALL
WILL LIKELY LEAD TO ACCUMULATION.

..HURLBUT.. 12/04/2009


...NOTICE...
SPC WINTER WEATHER MESOSCALE DISCUSSIONS WILL BE ISSUED ON A
SCHEDULED BASIS FROM DECEMBER 1 THROUGH FEBRUARY 28...FOUR
TIMES A DAY...AROUND 00 UTC...06 UTC...12 UTC...AND 18 UTC
FOR SIGNIFICANT SHORT RANGE WINTER WEATHER EVENTS.

ATTN...WFO...MOB...JAN...LIX...LCH...SHV...

LAT...LON 30289161 30169214 30129306 30549348 31149271 31639185
31989107 32259026 32268929 31968884 31508847 30718898
30329051 30259126 30289161



Wow, moderate to heavy snow? Our NWS was talking about moderate snow at the most and it would be brief. Is the forecast changing some? I hope so!
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1052. peejodo -- yes I wrote it myself. Don't tell my mom.
ROFL! I'm sure she'd be proud...AFTER you gave her a red pen and editorial rights!!
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Quoting fraud:
Disappointed you drank the kool aid Dr. Masters you have joined the Al Gore fraud club...


Now there's an intelligent post. Boob of the day honors go to...drum roll....FRAUD! Congrats! See ya on the Darwin Awards...LOL
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Quoting Bordonaro:


MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 2197
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1213 PM CST FRI DEC 04 2009

AREAS AFFECTED...S/CNTRL LA/MS

CONCERNING...HEAVY SNOW

VALID 041813Z - 042215Z

CLIMATOLOGICALLY RARE SNOW EVENT WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP EWD
THROUGH THE EVENING...WITH RAIN TRANSITIONING TO SNOW OVER PARTS
SRN/CNTRL LA AND MS. RATES NEAR .5 TO 1 INCH AN HOUR ARE POSSIBLE.


A BROAD UPPER TROUGH ACROSS THE CNTRL CONUS WILL CONTINUE TO
PROGRESS EWD...WITH NLY/NWLY FLOW ALOFT DRIVING A CONTINENTAL POLAR
AIRMASS SEWD TO THE GULF COAST AS THIS OCCURS. CONFLUENT FLOW ALOFT
AROUND THE BACKSIDE OF THE UPPER TROUGH IS LEADING TO SURFACE
PRESSURE RISES ACROSS MUCH OF TX/LA. THIS WILL ALLOW A SURFACE HIGH
CENTERED ROUGHLY NEAR N CNTRL TX TO DEVELOP SEWD...WITH STRONG COLD
AIR ADVECTION LEADING TO FALLING SURFACE TEMPERATURES THROUGH THE
AFTERNOON/EVENING. 18Z LCH SOUNDING INDICATES A SHALLOW LAYER OF
SUBSATURATED AIR BELOW 900 MB WHERE WET-BULB PROCESSES WILL LIKELY
CONTRIBUTE TO FALLING SURFACE TEMPERATURES. WET-BULB EFFECTS/COLD
AIR ADVECTION HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTING TO A FASTER TRANSITION FROM
RAIN TO SNOW THAN MODEL FORECASTS INDICATED ACROSS SERN TX/SWRN LA.
MOISTURE TRANSPORT NEAR THE COAST WITH PWAT VALUES NEAR .75 TO 1
INCH WILL CONTRIBUTE TO INCREASED PRECIPITATION RATES/EFFICIENCY.
ALTHOUGH GROUND TEMPERATURES ARE ABOVE FREEZING...STEADY SNOWFALL
WILL LIKELY LEAD TO ACCUMULATION.

..HURLBUT.. 12/04/2009


...NOTICE...
SPC WINTER WEATHER MESOSCALE DISCUSSIONS WILL BE ISSUED ON A
SCHEDULED BASIS FROM DECEMBER 1 THROUGH FEBRUARY 28...FOUR
TIMES A DAY...AROUND 00 UTC...06 UTC...12 UTC...AND 18 UTC
FOR SIGNIFICANT SHORT RANGE WINTER WEATHER EVENTS.

ATTN...WFO...MOB...JAN...LIX...LCH...SHV...

LAT...LON 30289161 30169214 30129306 30549348 31149271 31639185
31989107 32259026 32268929 31968884 31508847 30718898
30329051 30259126 30289161



WOOT they moved it further south! My parish is in it now.
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Quoting hurricanejunky:
In major news today:

Comcast buys NBC!

And we thought the Weather Channel couldn't get any worse?


Promo for a show coming Spring 2010: You think being a Cheif Hurricane Meterologist at the Weather Channel is easy? For Jim Cantori during Hurricane Season the pressures on to make decisions that could affect millions of pepoles lives. Coming Spring 2010 experience Jim Cantori like you never seen before during the pulse pounding Hurricane Season of 2009.(Cut to a Jim Cantori watching Ana (In a bored voice)"Well its a heavily sheared system", watching Danny (In an equally board voice)"Danny is a heavily Sheared system its luckly its even being called a Tropical Storm", watching Erika (In an even more board voice"Well you can see Erika is just wasting away in this shear right now". *Dramatic Music* Will the Jim Cantori be able to handle the heat of a record breaking season or will his will be sheared away. Tune in this Spring for: Storm Master C: The 2009 Hurricane Retrospective, (cut to Cantori: "you might as well call this the year of shear.")
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Quoting btwntx08:
feels like the rain wants to change sleet but is having a hard time right now


Did you get any snow down there?
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1065. Patrap
I tell yas,,the southern solution is looking better all the time as the Low Lingers and draws down more of the available Cold Pool to the North,..and the GOM Moisture funnels into it.

Somebody's gonna get a Big White Saturday Morning.

A Currier and Ive's Photo op for someone
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Bushie? Them's fighting words! The others not so much...at least not where you're concerned.

LOL. Forgive us, even though we know what we do!
I don't have snow yet, just grey and bleck again, and I'm envious, bored, and sick of All My Kids storylines adding to the population problem.
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Quoting Cotillion:


Hey, even I can agree that football (As in the American type) is better!


Whew! Don't scare me like that!
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Quoting Barney2012:


yeah!


oh my...
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Quoting Patrap:
Went from 52 F to 49 f in Half hour here.

Winds are out the North too.

New Orleans, Louisiana (Airport)
Updated: 41 min 33 sec ago
Overcast
49 F
Overcast
Windchill: 45 F
Humidity: 69%
Dew Point: 39 F
Wind: 9 mph from the NNE
Pressure: 30.16 in (Falling)


PSST, peak at post 1054 :0)
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Quoting Magicchaos:
TWC just switched their local forecast in my area to say 1 to 2 inches of snow possible tomorrow and we are in the 1-3 snow range of one of accuweather's snowfall map. Now all we need is for the NWS to update their forecast for tomorrow and I might buy that snow forecast. I'm in Everett,PA by the way.

Yeah, MagicC, I like your UTube broadcasts in the evening! But oh sometimes that eminent domain music you choose...well, I have volume control, I'll shut up but maybe you could borrow the music in my Safeway, it's got U2 elevator music and stuff!
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1056. Patrap
Went from 52 F to 49 f in Half hour here.

Winds are out the North too.

New Orleans, Louisiana (Airport)
Updated: 41 min 33 sec ago
Overcast
49 °F
Overcast
Windchill: 45 °F
Humidity: 69%
Dew Point: 39 °F
Wind: 9 mph from the NNE
Pressure: 30.16 in (Falling)
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


That's FutBol, you parochial narrow-minded Bushie! HoHo, now I'm having fun at HJ's expense -- I'm SO going to get payback...duck!


Bushie? Them's fighting words! The others not so much...at least not where you're concerned.
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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 2197
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1213 PM CST FRI DEC 04 2009

AREAS AFFECTED...S/CNTRL LA/MS

CONCERNING...HEAVY SNOW

VALID 041813Z - 042215Z

CLIMATOLOGICALLY RARE SNOW EVENT WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP EWD
THROUGH THE EVENING...WITH RAIN TRANSITIONING TO SNOW OVER PARTS
SRN/CNTRL LA AND MS. RATES NEAR .5 TO 1 INCH AN HOUR ARE POSSIBLE.


A BROAD UPPER TROUGH ACROSS THE CNTRL CONUS WILL CONTINUE TO
PROGRESS EWD...WITH NLY/NWLY FLOW ALOFT DRIVING A CONTINENTAL POLAR
AIRMASS SEWD TO THE GULF COAST AS THIS OCCURS. CONFLUENT FLOW ALOFT
AROUND THE BACKSIDE OF THE UPPER TROUGH IS LEADING TO SURFACE
PRESSURE RISES ACROSS MUCH OF TX/LA. THIS WILL ALLOW A SURFACE HIGH
CENTERED ROUGHLY NEAR N CNTRL TX TO DEVELOP SEWD...WITH STRONG COLD
AIR ADVECTION LEADING TO FALLING SURFACE TEMPERATURES THROUGH THE
AFTERNOON/EVENING. 18Z LCH SOUNDING INDICATES A SHALLOW LAYER OF
SUBSATURATED AIR BELOW 900 MB WHERE WET-BULB PROCESSES WILL LIKELY
CONTRIBUTE TO FALLING SURFACE TEMPERATURES. WET-BULB EFFECTS/COLD
AIR ADVECTION HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTING TO A FASTER TRANSITION FROM
RAIN TO SNOW THAN MODEL FORECASTS INDICATED ACROSS SERN TX/SWRN LA.
MOISTURE TRANSPORT NEAR THE COAST WITH PWAT VALUES NEAR .75 TO 1
INCH WILL CONTRIBUTE TO INCREASED PRECIPITATION RATES/EFFICIENCY.
ALTHOUGH GROUND TEMPERATURES ARE ABOVE FREEZING...STEADY SNOWFALL
WILL LIKELY LEAD TO ACCUMULATION.

..HURLBUT.. 12/04/2009


...NOTICE...
SPC WINTER WEATHER MESOSCALE DISCUSSIONS WILL BE ISSUED ON A
SCHEDULED BASIS FROM DECEMBER 1 THROUGH FEBRUARY 28...FOUR
TIMES A DAY...AROUND 00 UTC...06 UTC...12 UTC...AND 18 UTC
FOR SIGNIFICANT SHORT RANGE WINTER WEATHER EVENTS.

ATTN...WFO...MOB...JAN...LIX...LCH...SHV...

LAT...LON 30289161 30169214 30129306 30549348 31149271 31639185
31989107 32259026 32268929 31968884 31508847 30718898
30329051 30259126 30289161

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Quoting hurricanejunky:
Sorry Cotillion, I really didn't have any other way to say that. I'm not really one for sugar coating things...


Hey, even I can agree that football (As in the American type) is better!
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1052. peejodo
Quoting AwakeInMaryland: 1021, yes I wrote it myself. Don't tell my mom.
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Quoting Patrap:


O I hope not. But being outside bringing in the Plants..I took a gander at the Sky and the Northerly Upper air is coming in and the winds have gone round to Due North and its dropping for sure.

I agree. I think that line is going to come in more around Central LA. We may get the tail of it. Either way, we are going to have some nasty weather. You sure yall want to drive to BR today? LOL.
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Quoting Cotillion:


Other news... USA have Algeria, Slovenia.. and England in the World Cup. USA v England will be a fun game. ;)

Think that means NBC, the Weather Channel, and all its affiliates will become Premium Channels or Pay-Per-View? If so, see ya', wouldn't want to be ya'. I'll miss Brian Williams visiting Leno and Conan, he's funny!
Quoting hurricanejunky:


Who cares? Soccer sucks! Just my opinion...

That's FutBol, you parochial narrow-minded Bushie! HoHo, now I'm having fun at HJ's expense -- I'm SO going to get payback...duck!
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Sorry Cotillion, I really didn't have any other way to say that. I'm not really one for sugar coating things...
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1048. Patrap
Quoting alaina1085:

Nice image. Pat you think that nasty line along the TX gulf coast is headed for you?


O I hope not. But being outside bringing in the Plants..I took a gander at the Sky and the Northerly Upper air is coming in and the winds have gone round to Due North and its dropping for sure.
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We received .86" so far today here in N. Ft. Myers. Rain letting up now but round 2 looks like it should give us at least another inch. Anyone snowed in yet?
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Now THAT's funny and TRUE! John Hope is rolling over in his grave!
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


ME TOO! Blush! OH NO, I'm missing Friday's "All My Children"! Gotta' catch the cliffhanger!
Quoting pearlandaggie:


should it have a symbol...say, something like this?


LOL!! oh my, too much good stuff on the blog today
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TWC just switched their local forecast in my area to say 1 to 2 inches of snow possible tomorrow and we are in the 1-3 snow range of one of accuweather's snowfall map. Now all we need is for the NWS to update their forecast for tomorrow and I might buy that snow forecast. I'm in Everett,PA by the way.
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Who cares? Soccer sucks! Just my opinion...

ROFL
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Who cares? Soccer sucks! Just my opinion...


hahahahahaha, LOL. Somebody had to say it.
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Quoting Cotillion:


Other news... USA have Algeria, Slovenia.. and England in the World Cup. USA v England will be a fun game. ;)


Who cares? Soccer sucks! Just my opinion...
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Quoting hurricanejunky:
In major news today:

Comcast buys NBC!

And we thought the Weather Channel couldn't get any worse?


Other news... USA have Algeria, Slovenia.. and England in the World Cup. USA v England will be a fun game. ;)
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Quoting tornadodude:

and I'm ashamed to admit this.... but I am currently watching the channel formerly known as the weather channel :O


should it have a symbol...say, something like this?
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The heavier snow/sleet band over the GOM is singing this song!!

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Quoting tornadodude:


LOL yup, you nailed it!

and I'm ashamed to admit this.... but I am currently watching the channel formerly known as the weather channel :O


ME TOO! Blush! OH NO, I'm missing Friday's "All My Children"! Gotta' catch the cliffhanger!
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In major news today:

Comcast buys NBC!

And we thought the Weather Channel couldn't get any worse?
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Quoting tornadodude:


LOL yup, you nailed it!

and I'm ashamed to admit this.... but I am currently watching the channel formerly known as the weather channel :O


Now THAT's funny and TRUE! John Hope is rolling over in his grave!
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

It's hard for parents; don't blame them, LOL.
My own son hid a Wall Street Journal under his crib.
Besides, T-Dude watches mostly Sports and Weather on Fox. Don't you, dear (Nana AIM is looking for HER Mom's "Board of Education").


LOL yup, you nailed it!

and I'm ashamed to admit this.... but I am currently watching the channel formerly known as the weather channel :O
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the snow here has slacked off to flurries. the radar shows that some heavier stuff may be heading our way in an hour or two. time will tell...

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Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:
1977/78 El Niño

On January 19, 1977, Miami received its first and only recorded snowfall. It only consisted of extremely light flurries, but this Blizzard of 1977 is the only snowfall our fair city has ever seen.


Of course, during the six months I lived outside of FL in my life it snowed in Miami! Fortunately during that time I was in Oklahoma so I got to experience snow there.. Interesting bit of history!
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


I know man, I was just razzing ya! It's all good...


haha no worries, we all need a good razzing every now and then! (although some of us need it more than others) LOL
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Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:
1977/78 El Niño

On January 19, 1977, Miami received its first and only recorded snowfall. It only consisted of extremely light flurries, but this Blizzard of 1977 is the only snowfall our fair city has ever seen.


I know a few people who remember it. Some of my elementry school teachers, remember taking their kids outside to see those few precious mintues of snow flurries.
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


My condolences...

It's hard for parents; don't blame them, LOL.
My own son hid a Wall Street Journal under his crib.
Besides, T-Dude watches mostly Sports and Weather on Fox. Don't you, dear (Nana AIM is looking for HER Mom's "Board of Education").
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For all my friends in SE TX and LA, this song is for you!!
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Quoting tornadodude:


LOL I didnt say I bow down to them and proclaim their supremacy over other news(?) sources :P


I know man, I was just razzing ya! It's all good...
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Quoting Patrap:

Check out the Regional radar of the South


Can you sent some of that purple stuff to the panahandle Pat, we've had enough with normal ol boring rain.
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