QuikSCAT, 1999 - 2009: R.I.P.

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:34 PM GMT on November 24, 2009

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The QuikSCAT satellite is no more. The sad new of QuikSCAT's demise came yesterday in a terse message from NASA:

Several hours ago, shortly past 7:00Z today (23Nov), telemetry received from QuikSCAT indicates that the antenna rotation rate has dropped to zero and remains at zero. The motor remains powered. The system can be operated safely in this state for an indefinite period. The QuikSCAT operations team will be meeting later this morning, but in all likelihood this is the end of the nominal mission".

Launched in 1999, the QuikSCAT satellite became one of the most useful and controversial meteorological satellites ever to orbit the Earth. Forecasters world-wide came to rely on QuikSCAT wind data to issue timely warnings and make accurate forecasts of tropical and extratropical storms, wave heights, sea ice, aviation weather, iceberg movement, coral bleaching events, and El Niño. Originally expected to last just 2-3 years, QuikSCAT made it past ten, a testament to the skill of the engineers that designed the satellite. To show you what a dweeb I am, I'll admit to tearing up a bit when heard yesterday that the venerable old bird had finally bitten the dust. It was like losing a valued friend.


Figure 1. NASA's QuikSCAT satellite, launched in 1999. Image credit: NASA.

Alternatives to QuikSCAT
Two valuable alternatives to QuikSCAT are available, but neither can come close to making up for the loss of QuikSCAT. The Windsat instrument aboard the Coriolis satellite (launched in 2003) measures wind speed and wind direction using a different technique. Evaluation of these data at NHC and NOAA's Ocean Prediction Center (OPC) shown the winds to be unreliable in and around the storm environment. There's also the European ASCAT satellite, launched in 2007. Like QuikSCAT, ASCAT can measure global wind speed and direction twice per day. However, the data is available at 25 km resolution (two times coarser than the 12.5 km QuikSCAT), and ASCAT covers only 60% of the area covered by QuikSCAT in the same time period. QuikSCAT sees a swath of ocean 1800 km wide, while ASCAT sees two parallel swaths 550 km wide, separated by a 720 km gap. I find it frustrating to use ASCAT to monitor tropical storms, since the passes miss the center of circulation of a storm of interest more than half the time. On the plus side, ASCAT has the advantage that the data is not adversely affected by rain, unlike QuikSCAT.

The need for a new QuikSCAT
NOAA has been pushing for a QuikSCAT replacement for years. Former National Hurricane Center director Bill Proenza laudably made a big push in 2007 for a new QuikSCAT satellite. Unfortunately, he made claims about the usefulness of QuikSCAT for improving hurricane track forecasts that were not supported by scientific research, an error that may have ultimately led to his downfall. While there is evidence that QuikSCAT data may improve hurricane track forecasts of some computer models, NHC uses many models to make hurricane track forecasts, and some of these models are not helped by QuikSCAT data. For example, a 2009 model study by Dr. Jim Goerss of the Naval Research Lab found that QuikSCAT winds made no improvement to hurricane track forecasts of the NOGAPS model, one of the key models used by NHC to predict hurricane tracks. QuikSCAT is extremely valuable for many other aspects of hurricane forecasting, though. It provides early detection of surface circulations in developing tropical depressions, and for defining gale (34 kts) and storm-force (50 kts) wind radii. The information on wind radii from QuikSCAT is especially important for tropical storms and hurricanes outside the range of aircraft reconnaissance flights conducted in the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific basins, and for the regions where there are no reconnaissance flights (Central Pacific, Western Pacific, and Indian Ocean). Accurate wind radii are critical to the National Hurricane Center (NHC), Central Pacific Hurricane Center (CPHC), and Guam Weather Forecast Office (WFO) watch and warning process, since they affect the size of tropical storm and hurricane watch and warning areas. Between 2003 and 2006, QuikSCAT data were used at NHC 17% of the time to determine the wind radii, 21% of the time for center fixing, and 62% of the time for storm intensity estimates.

A QuikSCAT replacement
A replacement dual-frequency QuikSCAT satellite that has superior capabilities to old one is being explored by NOAA and NASA, in partnership with the Japanese Space Agency (JAXA). The new QuikSCAT instrument would fly on the Japanese GCOM-Water Cycle satellite, scheduled to launch in January 2016. However, funding must begin in 2010 in order to meet this launch deadline, and no funding for a new QuikSCAT has been put into the Administration's FY 2011 budget. The proposed QuikSCAT replacement would be able to measure winds as high as 100 mph (Category 2 hurricane strength), and have improved ability to measure winds in heavy rain. The new satellite would have a 20% improvement in spatial resolution. The cost would be less than usual, since the rocket and and satellite are already paid for. However, there are additional costs involved in adapting QuikSCAT to the Japanese engineering requirements. The final costs of such a replacement QuikSCAT have not been determined yet, but would probably be several hundred million dollars. According to the Palm Beach Post, in September, U.S. Representative Ron Kline, D-FL, introduced a bill in Congress to fund a new QuikSCAT satellite. Klein introduced a similar bill in 2007, which failed. "Today's news of its failure simply strengthens our commitment to ensure that a next-generation satellite is constructed and launched as quickly as possible", Klein said in a statement made yesterday.

Thanks to all of you who've written your Senators and Representatives. Let's hope that the final failure of QuikSCAT yesterday will finally motivate Congress to fund a replacement satellite.

Rest in Peace, QuikSCAT.

References
2007 NOAA QuikSCAT user impact study:


Figure 2. Surface weather map for the time when the UK's record 24-hour rainfall event occurred, Nov. 19, 2009. A cold front trailing from a powerful low pressure system with a central pressure of 955 mb stalled over the western UK and dumped prodigious amounts of rain. Image credit: National Weather Service.

Heavy rains on tap for hard-hit flooded regions of the UK
Heavy rains of up to four inches are expected today over regions of the UK still recovering from last week's deadly floods. An extremely moist Atlantic frontal system stalled over across Northern Ireland, Cumbria and south-west Scotland last Thursday and Friday, dumping prodigious amounts of rain that triggered severe flooding in Cumbria. Loops of precipitable water reveal that part of this moisture may have come from the Hurricane Ida-enhanced Nor'easter that brought record storm surges to the U.S. Mid-Atlantic coast. The 24-hour total at Seathwaite (ending 0045 on Friday 20 November) of 314.4 mm (12.37 inches) is a UK record for a single location in any given 24-hour period, according to the UK Met Office. Records go back to 1914. According to wunderground member "Former Aussie", who has been working at the scene of the disaster, "the centre of the small town of Cockermouth was up to the tops of shop windows in water. Downstream, at Workington, bridges were washed away. Police constable Bill Barker was standing on one, stopping traffic as it fell, and he drowned, but the prompt and in cases heroic action of the emergency services meant no other lives were lost, as far as we know. Cockermouth was the birthplace of the poet William Wordsworth. The house where he was born is still standing, but the contents are said to be seriously damaged. Cumbriafoundation.org is where anyone wanting to help some extremely distressed and hard hit people can go. Some thousands of people will be out of their homes for months, and as it's less that 14 months since some of them were flooded out the last time, some will be suffering uninsurable losses.

I'll have a new post on Wednesday.

Jeff Masters

P.S. wunderblogger Patrap attended yesterday's Cuban-American Hurricane Conference in New Orleans, and has posted a nice blog on the affair.

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Quoting IKE:
GW debate is like the energizer bunny....it just keeps going and going and going and going and going..........

It's worse than the arguments on here on whether an invest is RIP-ing or not.

There really isn't a debate any longer. We now have unequivocal evidence that global warming is happening, and that the most likely main cause (90% likelihood) is anthropogenic (man-made).

And before you argue that the IPCC is exaggerating things, it's not. The IPCC is actually a very conservative organization, due to the fact that its statements must undergo peer review and be approved by everyone. This includes some special interests in parts of the report, including fossil fuel companies.
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Quoting weatherneophyte:
#101 You DO know that plants require CO2 to survive, right? And it's you that needs to "get real". As far as human's time on this earth is concerned, and as far as their impact on the planet, we're no more than a blink of an eye. Yes, YOU are insignificant in the general scheme of things. I am too, but at least my ego allows me to see that. By the way, my huge Hummer gets 12 mpg, so I'm doing my part


All air breathing creatures expel tons of it simultaneously with every breath. Some more than others :-/
Quoting xcool:



cold air

Wow. That means that the temperature here where I live in S. Ontario will rise to around 17C (62F)! It has never been even close to that warm on the first of December in the past six years! (or is that not surface temps?)
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Quoting Grothar:


No comments on my BLOB in the GOM?



Its a very niiice blob..
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GW debate is like the energizer bunny....it just keeps going and going and going and going and going..........

It's worse than the arguments on here on whether an invest is RIP-ing or not.
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Did you work for the Bush administration? C02 is absolutely a pollutant. The Dick and Jane "c02 is good for you" video doesn't work on me nor does the Jedi mind trick. Thanks...

EDIT: What I meant was C02 is absolutely a pollutant in the context of climate change and greenhouse gases. It's not actually toxic, however.


That was my point. I did not go into that.

You were trying to frame it as a pollutant OUTSIDE the AGW debate, which is why I felt the need to correct it.... outside the AGW debate.

And, again, your statement is still false in terms of "never before." CO2 has been higher many times throughout earth's history based on what we know.
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Quoting Seastep:


I've stood on the sidelines with this recent discover and will continue to do so until more info is in, but just want to correct something here. Strike out "CO2 and" and you might have a point, although we are much better with it these days.

1. You do realize that atmospheric CO2 levels have been way higher in the past than today, right? Even with our addition. And, before man ever walked the earth. Therefore, your statement is false as to the "never existed before" as it relates to CO2.

2. CO2 is not a pollutant. It is in the air we breath. It always has been and always will be in the atmosphere. Necessary for life. The concentrations necessary for it to be a health issue are unattainable anywhere near the surface. At higher altitudes it can, but that's more of a CO2 to O2 type ratio thingy. Like the scientific terminology. ;)

Just pointing out a couple facts as it relates to CO2. IMO, exactly why CO2 emissions has been framed in the GW context. Can't argue it is harmful in any other way except in extremely high concentrations.

Back to work.


Yes, there have been higher levels of CO2 than even what is predicted for global warming scenarios, but then again there have also been dinosaurs. CO2 levels have never been as high as now during the Holocene, when human habitation and civilization flourished. It is this relative stability, a rare stability, that has allowed human civilization to survive, and now we are disrupting that stability using our own carbon emissions. The increase in CO2 concentrations (which does follow temperature, but that does not disprove the current theory that increased CO2 emissions will raise global temperatures -- I'll explain that later) from the peak of the last ice age to pre-industrial times (+100 ppm; 20,000 years), is actually less than the increase in concentrations from pre-industrial times to today (+108 ppm; 200 years)! High CO2 concentrations that we are pushing the climate into has occured before, but never during human existence.

CO2 is not a pollutant in the sense that it is toxic to life at current concentrations, but rather that an increase in its concentrations will have a drastic effect on Earth's climate. It's not so much as the change itself as the rate of change. As the oceans absorb CO2, it becomes more acidic, and this kills corals and invertabrates that depend on carbonate shells. A warmer ocean also absorbs CO2 less easily.

Now, remember how CO2 can and does drive climate in today's world, and how the oceans have trouble absorbing CO2 in warmer temperatures? This is a positive feedback scenario, in that when the oceans warm as does the planet, the oceans go from a net sink to a net source of CO2, releasing the gases that are already stored. This not only increases the CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere, it actually makes the climate warm faster. Thus temperature and CO2 concentrations are co-reinforcing. When we add CO2 to the atmosphere along with other GHGs, it ends up increasing global temperature, although there is a lag period. The increase in GHGs leading to an enhanced greenhouse effect is not debated, it is basic science.
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Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:



Why can't we just commit to reducing our negative impacts on the climate by as much as possible every year? Regardless who or what the cause is.

At the end of the day, if it turns out the AGW theory was just that, a theory, at least we would be living in a much cleaner & healthier environment.

And if it turns out that AGW was in fact the cause, we can rest assured that we did everything possible to prevent it.

The bickering, IMO, is a waste of precious time and energy.


The reduction of greenhouse emissions will have far reaching effects, beyond just climate. Healthier people breathing cleaner air = reduced health care costs and a better quality of life.

Why would anyone not want to strive towards that goal??
Hear, hear!

I had to quote this sensible, reasoned, well-expressed response to this whole AGW debate.

In addition, even IF the GW is not anthropogenic, the careless way man is modifying the planet may end up creating negative effects that could have been avoided with a bit more attention to conservation and cleanliness. I mentioned the Dust Bowl of the 1930s yesterday. Today I mention coastal areas which are likely to be increasingly impacted by flooding and storms. This century's "dust bowl" may not be in the US; the "Katrinas" of the future may not even be cat 3 if coastal developments continue apace.

The name of the game is predict and adapt. While I agree it's a good idea to view AGW with skepticism until more data is collected, any forewarning of a major climate shift should be taken as a tool for preparation, not a moot for debate.
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Quoting GlidrGreg:
CRU emails spur lawsuit
Clarice Feldman
Chris Horner writing for The American Spectator reports that the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) has filed a lawsuit against NASA and Goddard Space Center demanding information they've withheld for three years:


Today, on behalf of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, I filed three Notices of Intent to File Suit against NASA and its Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), for those bodies' refusal - for nearly three years - to provide documents requested under the Freedom of Information Act.

The information sought is directly relevant to the exploding "ClimateGate" scandal revealing document destruction, coordinated efforts in the U.S. and UK to avoid complying with both countries' freedom of information laws, and apparent and widespread intent to defraud at the highest levels of international climate science bodies. Numerous informed commenters had alleged such behavior for years, all of which appears to be affirmed by leaked emails, computer codes and other data from the Climatic Research Unit of the UK's East Anglia University.

All of that material and that sought for years by CEI go to the heart of the scientific claims and campaign underpinning the Kyoto Protocol, its planned successor treaty, "cap-and-trade" legislation and the EPA's threatened regulatory campaign to impose similar measures through the back door.



You go boy!


Hold their feet to the fire!
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#101 You DO know that plants require CO2 to survive, right? And it's you that needs to "get real". As far as human's time on this earth is concerned, and as far as their impact on the planet, we're no more than a blink of an eye. Yes, YOU are insignificant in the general scheme of things. I am too, but at least my ego allows me to see that. By the way, my huge Hummer gets 12 mpg, so I'm doing my part
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137. xcool
jipmg 7days temp Forecast
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Quoting xcool:



cold air


are those highs? o-O
135. xcool




kaboom .
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Quoting Seastep:


I've stood on the sidelines with this recent discovery and will continue to do so until more info is in, but just want to correct something here. Strike out "CO2 and" and you might have a point, although we are much better with it these days.

1. You do realize that atmospheric CO2 levels have been way higher in the past than today, right? Even with our addition. And, before man ever walked the earth. Therefore, your statement is false as to the "never existed before" as it relates to CO2.

2. CO2 is not a pollutant. It is in the air we breath. It always has been and always will be in the atmosphere. Necessary for life. The concentrations necessary for it to be a health issue are unattainable anywhere near the surface. At higher altitudes it can, but that's more of a CO2 to O2 type ratio thingy. Like the scientific terminology. ;) Only mountain climbers have to worry about that.

Just pointing out a couple facts as it relates to CO2. IMO, exactly why CO2 emissions has been framed in the GW context. Can't argue it is harmful in any other way except in extremely high concentrations (5%).

Back to work.

Modified to clarify.


Did you work for the Bush administration? C02 is absolutely a pollutant. The Dick and Jane "c02 is good for you" video doesn't work on me nor does the Jedi mind trick. Thanks...

EDIT: What I meant was C02 is absolutely a pollutant in the context of climate change and greenhouse gases. It's not actually toxic, however.
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Tallahassee afternoon discussion...

"SHORT TERM...(TONIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY NIGHT)...CURRENT SHOWER
ACTIVITY WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE NORTHEAST ALONG OUR OFFSHORE WATERS
AND INLAND ACROSS THE SOUTHEASTERN BIG BEND OF FLORIDA THROUGH THE
EVENING TONIGHT. A DEVELOPING LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL MOVE EAST
THROUGH THE GULF ALONG AN OLD STATIONARY BOUNDARY THROUGH THE NIGHT
TONIGHT AND TOMORROW. THE EXACT TIMING AND POSITION OF THIS LOW AS
IT MOVES ONSHORE TOMORROW IS NOT AGREED UPON TOO WELL BY THE MODELS.
NONETHELESS...A SHARP NORTHWEST TO SOUTHEAST PRECIP GRADIENT WILL
EXIST ACROSS OUR REGION FOR MUCH OF THE DAY TOMORROW WITH HIGHER
RAIN CHANCES RESIDING ACROSS OUR SOUTHEASTERN ZONES. RAINFALL
AMOUNTS BETWEEN A HALF TO AN INCH OF RAIN ARE POSSIBLE ACROSS OUR
EXTREME SOUTHEASTERN ZONES CLOSER TO THE LOW AND WHERE ISENTROPIC
FORCING IS GREATEST. BY WEDNESDAY NIGHT...RAIN AND ASSOCIATED CLOUD
COVER WILL CLEAR US TO THE SOUTHEAST AND CLEAR SKIES AND COOLER
TEMPERATURES WILL BEGIN TO TAKE HOLD. LOWS ARE EXPECTED TO BE IN THE
LOW TO MID 40S ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT WITH HIGHS IN THE MID 60S ON
THURSDAY. BY THURSDAY NIGHT...MUCH COOLER (ALMOST COLD) TEMPERATURES
ARE FORECAST ACROSS OUR REGION. SOME GUIDANCE SUGGESTS ALBANY COULD
REACH THE FREEZING MARK WITH TALLAHASSEE CLOSE BEHIND WITH
TEMPERATURES IN THE LOW 30S.
FOR THIS PACKAGE...HAVE TRENDED MIN
TEMPS NEAR THE MID 30S AND HAVE LEFT THE MENTION OF PATCHY FROST OUT
OF THE FORECAST AS WINDS APPEAR TO REMAIN SLIGHTLY ELEVATED THROUGH
THE NIGHTTIME HOURS."
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Afternoon, everybody.

Quoting timtrice:
Dr. Masters, you are in part to blame for no longer having a replacement. You stated several times in the past losing QuikSCAT would only have minor implications. And you've now been on this crusade to save it?

Perhaps if the weather community would be more negotiable instead of rambling back and forth we wouldn't have to wait 5+ years for a replacement.

Or, perhaps it just isn't that vital.
I seem to recall the good doc making "The Case for QuikSCAT" at least once a year since the blog has been around. He was also quite pleased about Proenza's support of the instrument until Proenza started misappropriating information. I don't think your comment is founded in fact.
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131. xcool



cold air
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freezing slidell la friday.noooo .i have work from 2am to 11am
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128. xcool
Grothar do very good
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Quoting hurricanejunky:


Hmmm, we aren't that significant? I would agree if we still lived in the non-industrial age where we aren't dumping billons of metric tons of CO2 and other pollutants into the atmosphere. Then I realize that I live in the really real world where we dump so much insidious crap into the environment that never existed before the last 200 years or so that this is a whole new ball game. Get real!


I've stood on the sidelines with this recent discovery and will continue to do so until more info is in, but just want to correct something here. Strike out "CO2 and" and you might have a point, although we are much better with it these days.

1. You do realize that atmospheric CO2 levels have been way higher in the past than today, right? Even with our addition. And, before man ever walked the earth. Therefore, your statement is false as to the "never existed before" as it relates to CO2.

2. CO2 is not a pollutant. It is in the air we breath. It always has been and always will be in the atmosphere. Necessary for life. The concentrations necessary for it to be a health issue are unattainable anywhere near the surface. At higher altitudes it can, but that's more of a CO2 to O2 type ratio thingy. Like the scientific terminology. ;) Only mountain climbers have to worry about that.

Just pointing out a couple facts as it relates to CO2. IMO, exactly why CO2 emissions has been framed in the GW context. Can't argue it is harmful in any other way except in extremely high concentrations (5%).

Back to work.

Modified to clarify.
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Agreed hurricanejunky! Uncanny is definitely the right word for it, I really hope we end up getting several inches of rain.
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GOM current IR Loop

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Heavy thunderstorms over the majority of Hillsborough County. They can't be pop up thunderstorms can they?
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Quoting Grothar:


Know how to post the animated version of this? Looks like a wet Wednesday for somebody.
I live in the little SE part of Fl.


WOOHOO!! Rain! I'll believe it when I see it! Seems like we've been destined to receive rain so many times this year and something always happens to steer it away, dissolve it, etc. Uncanny...
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Quoting Grothar:


Really big BLOB. Can't wait for the local weather people to use the phrase, "....copious amounts of precipitation"
Probably it will dissipate before reaching the West Coast of Florida,as they usually do.
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Quoting xcool:
Major snow possible for southern plains early next week, cold focuses in central US

by Allan Huffman



November 24th National Weather Discussion

“Major snow possible for Amarillo to Wichita to Kansas City early next week”
“Cold air to be focused in central US in 11-15 day period”

An upper level system will bring some light Thanksgiving snows to the Midwest making it certainly feel like the holidays after what has been a very warm November in that region. This same upper level disturbance will help initiate a low pressure system off the east coast, but it appears the bulk of the weather associated with this system will stay off the coast. The upper level disturbance could still bring snow to parts of the Great Lakes and central/western NY/PA. The 6z GFS laid a swath of 6-12 inches in north-central PA Friday but that may be a bit overdone. I do think several inches are very possible along with the Lake Effect snow areas cranking up with strong northwest flow across the relatively warm Lakes Friday and Saturday.

This trough will bring some cold air to the Midwest and east for Thanksgiving weekend. But it appears the next storm system will crash into the Pacific Northwest with more rain and mountains snows, and then move into the southwestern and south-central US and in turn creating a downstream ridge over the southeast US which will likely warm the plains and then east back up above normal for next week.

This storm has the potential to be a big ticket item next week with the potential for significant snow in the Texas/Oklahoma panhandle by Sunday night and Monday. The storm could also spread snow into Kansas and Missouri as the weak goes on. The GFS is colder and also spreads snow further east but for now that may be too far east. But the potential is there for a big snow event for areas from Amarillo to Wichita to Kansas City early next week.




This storm could ultimately spread more heavy rain as well into the southeast and eastern US as the week progresses. It appears some decent cold air will drop in behind this system and take up residence in the plains in the 11-15 day range, with the east avoiding the cold air for the time being. I don’t think it is necessarily going to be warm in the east, but the significant cold will likely hold out in the plains through at least 12/5. Beyond this the cold air could shift into the east, but we will have to see. The main driver of this pattern is the building block over western and northwestern Canada, the NAO does not look to be a main driver. Thus the cold air will be most favored in the north-central, central, and Midwest regions.




by Allan Huffman !!!!!!


Hey, xcool! Wow, Allan Huffman! Who would have thought. How you doing???
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Really big BLOB. Can't wait for the local weather people to use the phrase, "....copious amounts of precipitation"
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Quoting Jeff9641:

That Blob is getting more organized and has it's sight on Florida on Wed.


Know how to post the animated version of this? Looks like a wet Wednesday for somebody.
I live in the little SE part of Fl.
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6-10 day precip....




8-14 day precip....

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6-10 day temps....




8-14 day temps....

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112. xcool
Major snow possible for southern plains early next week, cold focuses in central US

by Allan Huffman



November 24th National Weather Discussion

“Major snow possible for Amarillo to Wichita to Kansas City early next week”
“Cold air to be focused in central US in 11-15 day period”

An upper level system will bring some light Thanksgiving snows to the Midwest making it certainly feel like the holidays after what has been a very warm November in that region. This same upper level disturbance will help initiate a low pressure system off the east coast, but it appears the bulk of the weather associated with this system will stay off the coast. The upper level disturbance could still bring snow to parts of the Great Lakes and central/western NY/PA. The 6z GFS laid a swath of 6-12 inches in north-central PA Friday but that may be a bit overdone. I do think several inches are very possible along with the Lake Effect snow areas cranking up with strong northwest flow across the relatively warm Lakes Friday and Saturday.

This trough will bring some cold air to the Midwest and east for Thanksgiving weekend. But it appears the next storm system will crash into the Pacific Northwest with more rain and mountains snows, and then move into the southwestern and south-central US and in turn creating a downstream ridge over the southeast US which will likely warm the plains and then east back up above normal for next week.

This storm has the potential to be a big ticket item next week with the potential for significant snow in the Texas/Oklahoma panhandle by Sunday night and Monday. The storm could also spread snow into Kansas and Missouri as the weak goes on. The GFS is colder and also spreads snow further east but for now that may be too far east. But the potential is there for a big snow event for areas from Amarillo to Wichita to Kansas City early next week.




This storm could ultimately spread more heavy rain as well into the southeast and eastern US as the week progresses. It appears some decent cold air will drop in behind this system and take up residence in the plains in the 11-15 day range, with the east avoiding the cold air for the time being. I don’t think it is necessarily going to be warm in the east, but the significant cold will likely hold out in the plains through at least 12/5. Beyond this the cold air could shift into the east, but we will have to see. The main driver of this pattern is the building block over western and northwestern Canada, the NAO does not look to be a main driver. Thus the cold air will be most favored in the north-central, central, and Midwest regions.




by Allan Huffman !!!!!!
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Fare thee well for the nonce, my friends...I've a date with insides of my eyelids
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BLOG BREAK. Scroll to 17 or 18.

Call It Stormy Monday But Tuesday Is Just As Bad

BBL
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Thanks, everyone; I really should have had a camera; the looks were rather, ummmm, interesting... You would have thought that I had told the women that their purses were full of testes...owowowowow...it hurts to laugh
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CRU emails spur lawsuit
Clarice Feldman
Chris Horner writing for The American Spectator reports that the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) has filed a lawsuit against NASA and Goddard Space Center demanding information they've withheld for three years:


Today, on behalf of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, I filed three Notices of Intent to File Suit against NASA and its Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), for those bodies' refusal - for nearly three years - to provide documents requested under the Freedom of Information Act.

The information sought is directly relevant to the exploding "ClimateGate" scandal revealing document destruction, coordinated efforts in the U.S. and UK to avoid complying with both countries' freedom of information laws, and apparent and widespread intent to defraud at the highest levels of international climate science bodies. Numerous informed commenters had alleged such behavior for years, all of which appears to be affirmed by leaked emails, computer codes and other data from the Climatic Research Unit of the UK's East Anglia University.

All of that material and that sought for years by CEI go to the heart of the scientific claims and campaign underpinning the Kyoto Protocol, its planned successor treaty, "cap-and-trade" legislation and the EPA's threatened regulatory campaign to impose similar measures through the back door.
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Quoting StormChaser81:


Its a Blob =)


That's what it looked like to me, Thanks StormChaser!!
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so what are everyone's thoughts on latest in the Global Warming Scam ?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704888404574547730924988354.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections _opinion
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Quoting stansimms:
I've come to the conclusion that this world needs a hero. That hero is me. Details to follow very soon.


stansimms, our hero! Thank you, after the rather frustrating morning I've had you cannot know what that post has done for me!

LOL
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Quoting Floodman:
You guys don't think I was too harsh, do you? LOL


Heck no, but then again I do have a low tolerance for dumbassity.
Member Since: August 28, 2006 Posts: 6 Comments: 2898
Rest easy and take yer meds Floodman..we need ya rested up for Next Season.

Pentecostals,eh?


Ill wu-mail some mojo for that.

Easy fix.I just hung a Mayan Calender on my Front Door,scares even the JW's.

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Quoting weatherneophyte:
"The climate crisis is very real."

And that has now been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt by the whistle blower at CRU. The planet has warmed and cooled since it's inception without man's hand in it. If there truly is a "climate crisis" as you call it, there isn't a thing man can do about it. Much to many's dismay, man just isn't that significant to this planet. It has been here for milleniums before us, it will continue beyond our existence for many milleniums. We aren't even as significant to this planet as a single plankton is to the Atlantic Ocean.


Hmmm, we aren't that significant? I would agree if we still lived in the non-industrial age where we aren't dumping billons of metric tons of CO2 and other pollutants into the atmosphere. Then I realize that I live in the really real world where we dump so much insidious crap into the environment that never existed before the last 200 years or so that this is a whole new ball game. Get real!
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...Told them that I belonged to a sect of eastern orthodox catholicism that performed human sacrifice of idiots that knocked on doors and could I please have their address...they left at a truly rapid pace...


Friends of yours, dah-lin'?

Festival of mass animal sacrifice begins in Nepal

(Geeeesh, couldn't they, or do they, at least feed the poor with the burnt remains?)
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Quoting Floodman:
You guys don't think I was too harsh, do you? LOL

If they earned it, well, they earned it.
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Quoting Floodman:
You guys don't think I was too harsh, do you? LOL


As long as you can live with yourself than you should be fine, I'm sure they get a lot of that anyway. Gives them a story to laugh or cry about at the end of the day.
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You guys don't think I was too harsh, do you? LOL
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