Record storm surges hit Mid-Atlantic coast

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:22 PM GMT on November 13, 2009

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Record storm surges have caused major flooding along the North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware coasts over the past 24 hours, thanks to the powerful winds of a slow-moving Nor'easter energized by the remains of Hurricane Ida. Norfolk, Virginia, suffered its highest storm surge on record last night, when a surge of 5.96 feet hit the Sewells Point tide station. The previous record was 5.62' during Hurricane Isabel of 2003, with the Chesapeake-Atlantic Hurricane of 1933 close behind at 5.61'. Last night's peak surge did not hit at high tide, and the storm tide--the combination of surge plus the tide--peaked at 7.74' above Mean Lower Low Water (MLLW), slightly below the 7.89' storm tide of Hurricane Isabel.


Figure 1. Rain gauge-measured precipitation from Ida-extratropical for the 24 hours ending at 7 am EST this morning. The storm dumped copious amounts of rain over a wide swath of coast. Image credit: NWS Advanced Hydrologic Prediction Service.

The highest storm surges at Sewell's Point tide gauge in Norfolk, Virginia since 1927:

5.96' Nov 2009 Ida-extratropical
5.62' Sep 2003 Hurricane Isabel
5.61' Aug 1933 Chesapeake-Atlantic Hurricane
4.73' Sep 1933 Hurricane 13, Cat 1)
4.66' Mar 1962 Ash Wednesday Nor'easter
4.05' Sep 1936 (Hurricane 13, Cat 2)

Top storm tides in Norfolk history:

1933 hurricane (Aug 23rd 1933)..............8.9 feet MLLW
April 11th 1956 Nor'easter..................8.0 feet MLLW
Hurricane Isabel (Sep 18th 2003)............7.9 feet MLLW
Ida-extratropical (Nov 12th 2009)...........7.8 feet MLLW
Ash Wednesday storm (Mar 7th 1962)..........7.8 feet MLLW

Serious coastal flooding is occurring from northern North Carolina to the Delaware/New Jersey border, with record high storm surges recorded at many locations. The storm surge at Lewes Point, Delaware at 9:48 pm EST last night reached 4.63 feet, beating the record high of 4.17' set during the January 4, 1992 Nor'easter. Tide records go back to 1919 at Lewes Point. The highest surge at any of the NOAA-maintained tide gauges from Ida-extratropical was 6.74' at 9:24 pm EST at Money Point, Virginia, located on an inlet about five miles south of downtown Norfolk.

Ida-extratropical also brought hurricane-force wind gusts to the Virginia coast yesterday, with a gust of 75 mph recorded at the Oceana NAS. The Norfolk airport recorded sustained winds of 52 mph, gusting to 70 mph, at the height of the Nor'easter last night. Heavy rains of 6 - 11 inches since Tuesday have created flooding on most of the the rivers along the entire North Carolina, Virginia, and Maryland coasts. Ida-extratropical is slowly weakening and pulling away to the northeast, and the rains have ended along most of the coast, though. Virginia has now seen its highest storm surges, but this afternoon's high tide cycle is likely to bring another round of record or near-record storm tides to the coasts of Maryland, Delaware, and extreme southern New Jersey. This afternoon's high tide is forecast to bring a storm tide of 7.6' to Atlantic City, NJ, which would be the 10th highest tide there since 1911, but well short of the record 8.98' storm tide during the December, 1992 Nor'easter. By Saturday, Ida-extratropical will be on its way out to sea, and the storm surges and rains will finally abate.


Figure 2. Predicted storm tide (height above Mean Lower Low Water (MLLW, the lowest tide measured in a full 19-year natural tidal cycle, black line) for Lewes, Delaware (at the mouth of Delaware Bay), as predicted by the GFS model. A storm tide of 8.0 feet is forecast this afternoon during the high tide. For a full description of this plot, see the NOAA Extratropical Surge web site.


Figure 3. Tide gauge trace from the Sewell's Point gauge in Norfolk, VA, shows a storm surge of nearly 6 feet (green line) hit at 8:30 pm EST, with a maximum storm tide of 7.8 feet above MLLW occurring at high tide. Image credit: NOAA Tides and Currents.

Storm surges and sea level rise
The storm surge flooding in the Norfolk area was exacerbated by the fact that sea level has risen and the land has subsided significantly over the past century. Over the past 60 years, absolute sea level along the coast of Virginia has risen by about 2.6 mm/year. However, the relative sea level has risen by 4.44 mm/year since 1927 (Figure 4), meaning that the land has sunk by about 1.84 mm/year. The net result is that the ocean is now about 1.16 feet higher at Norfolk than it was in 1927. The Norfolk tide gauge shows the highest rate of relative sea level rise of any gauge on the U.S. East Coast (though relative sea level rise is much higher along the Gulf Coast, with rises near 3 feet/century at New Orleans). Thus, today's 5+ foot storm surge brought water more than a foot higher in Norfolk than the 5+ foot storm surge of the 1933 hurricane. Storm surge damages will steadily increase along the entire coast this century as sea level rise accelerates and coastal development continues. It is urgent that government take action in coming years to limit development in vulnerable coastal regions. The ocean is going flood our sand castles that we are building in harm's way, at an ever increasing rate.


Figure 4. Monthly mean sea level at the Sewells Point, VA tide gauge in Norfolk, without the regular seasonal fluctuations due to coastal ocean temperatures, salinities, winds, atmospheric pressures, and ocean currents. The long-term linear trend is also shown, including its 95% confidence interval. Relative sea level has increased by 1.16 feet since 1927, the highest rate of rise on the U.S. East Coast. Image credit: NOAA Tides and Currents.

Portlight responding to the flooding in Virginia
Portlight.org is deploying up to 3 self-sufficient mobile kitchens capable of feeding over 2000 people a day to the Virginia coast. They will be providing meals for first responders, volunteers, and, of course, affected residents. Donations are welcome--visit the portlight blog to learn more and make a PayPal donation. Thanks!

Take action: sign the QuikSCAT letter
The QuikSCAT satellite, launched in 1999, provides crucial measurements of surface wind speed and direction over Earth's oceans twice per day. Forecasters world-wide have come to rely on data from QuikSCAT to issue timely warnings and make accurate forecasts of tropical and extratropical storms, wave heights, sea ice, aviation weather, iceberg movement, coral bleaching events, and El Niño. QuikSCAT's antenna is expected to fail within the next six months, according to engineers at NASA/JPL, and QuikSCAT data has already been removed from our global weather forecast models, due to concerns about data reliability.

There exists a narrow window of opportunity in the next few days to get the wheels in motion to launch a QuikSCAT replacement instrument on a Japanese satellite in 2015. The funding for this must start within the next budget cycle, and there is currently no funding in place for a replacement QuikSCAT. If we miss this this opportunity, it may be ten years or more before a QuikSCAT replacement can be launched. To this end, I urge all of you to sign the QuikSCAT funding letter being presented to John Holdren, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.

The letter is at: http://coaps.fsu.edu/scatterometry/statement/.

If you agree with the letter, please sign it (via the web site) as soon as possible: there is a very small window of opportunity to influence the next budget cycle, with this window closing within a few days.

Note that to validate your signature you must type the validation code in the bottom box. This code is the word that appears after 'code =', then click on the sign button.

For more information on QuikSCAT, see my post, The case for a new QuikSCAT satellite.


Figure 5. NASA's QuikSCAT satellite, launched in 1999. Image credit: NASA.

Expect a new blog until Monday, when I'll discuss the outlook for the remainder of hurricane season. It is finally over?

Jeff Masters

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Per request...update includes damage reports and ongoing assessments regarding NorIda. Please understand situation is in flux-- more info may be available on State and local emergency management websites.
PDA: Preliminary Damage Assessments
IA: Individual Assistance
PA: Public Assistance

National Situation Update: Monday, November 16, 2009
Homeland Security Threat Level: YELLOW (ELEVATED).
Significant National Weather

Northeast
Temperatures will cool across the northeast and Mid-Atlantic as a cold front moves in, producing highs from the 40s in northern New England and upstate New York to the 60s in the Mid-Atlantic.

South
A cold front will bring scattered showers and thunderstorms to Arkansas, Louisiana, eastern Texas, Mississippi and western Tennessee. Behind the front, gusty northwest winds will develop over much of Texas and Oklahoma. The front will slowly move east tomorrow and Wednesday, spreading scattered showers through Tennessee, Alabama and Georgia.

Midwest
A low pressure system will move slowly across the Midwest today and Tuesday, with rainy and breezy conditions expected over the mid-Mississippi Valley, lower Ohio Valley and southern Great Lakes.
Areas from Missouri to central Illinois and southern Iowa may see an additional 1 to 4 inches of rain. Snow or a rain/snow mixture is expected over parts of Kansas, southern Nebraska and southwest Iowa.

West
A cold front will move into the Northwest today and Tuesday, bringing significant moisture to Washington and Oregon. Heavy rain will target northwest Washington, causing possible river flooding in the Olympics and northern Cascades; snow in the higher elevations could cause avalanches. Total snow accumulations of 1 to 2 feet will be possible by Tuesday along the Cascade crest. Wind gusts between 60 and 80 mph can be expected along the immediate coast of Oregon and Washington (NOAA%u2019s National Weather Service, Various Media Sources)

NOAA Reports October Third Coolest on Record with Highest Precipitation

According to NOAA%u2019s State of the Climate report, October was the third coolest month on record for average temperatures across the contiguous United States. Below average temperatures were recorded in all regions except the Southeast. The October average temperature of 50.8 degrees F was 4.0 degrees below the 20th Century average.

Preliminary data also indicates that October was the wettest month on record, reaching 4.15 inches, or 2.04 inches above the average between 1901 and 2001. This was the first month since December 2007 that no region in the United States recorded below normal precipitation.

East Coast Nor'Easter

* New Jersey EOC has returned to normal operations
* Governor has declared a State of Emergency for six coastal counties (Atlantic, Burlington, Cape May, Cumberland, Monmouth and Ocean Counties)
* Several hundred homes and about 50 to 100 businesses were affected by the storm, which also caused significant beach erosion and flooding along the Jersey Shore
* Joint IA and PA PDAs for seven counties are scheduled to begin on Tuesday, November 17; additional counties may be added later
* Virginia%u2019s Governor declared a State of Emergency
* Virginia EOC remains partially activated for possible hazmat issues (barrel recovery in some of the affected areas)
* LNO remains at the Virginia EOC
* Chief Medical Examiner has declared four fatalities due to the storm
* Power has been restored to the majority of the affected areas, with only about 300 outages remaining
* One shelter open in Norfolk City; population 50
* Alabama will begin PA PDAs for two counties on November 17
* Louisiana will begin IA and PA PDAs on November 17 for two parishes

Tropical Weather Outlook

Atlantic
Tropical cyclone formation is not expected during the next 48 hours.
Eastern Pacific
Tropical cyclone formation is not expected during the next 48 hours.
Central Pacific
No tropical cyclones are expected through Monday afternoon.
Western Pacific
No activity threatening United States Territories. (NOAA, HPC, National Hurricane Center, Central Pacific Hurricane Center and the Joint Typhoon Warning Center)
Earthquake Activity

Wildfire Update

Note: Fire season is coming to an end - the National Interagency Coordination Center will issue reports only on Fridays unless there is significant activity.

%u2022 National Preparedness Level: 1
%u2022 National Fire Activity as of Friday, November 13, 2009
%u2022 Initial attack activity: Light (108 new fires)
%u2022 New large fires: 1
%u2022 Large fires contained: 1
%u2022 Uncontained large fires: 0
%u2022 States affected: AZ and MO (NIFC)

SUNDAY Nov. 15 SIT REPORT

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SATURDAY Nov. 14 SIT REPORT

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Add-on: DangNabIt. Will re-post on NEW BLOG. grrrrrr
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NEW BLOG POST:
South Florida StormWatch
(main site)
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If and it's a big IF EX-Ida comes back, it certainly will be copld core, deja - vu for the East Coast.. Pretty much it won't and we can just go on with our lives lol
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Quoting Floodman:


trust me, Orca, I have no fear of taking meds as prescribed...I have had days in the last year or so where they were what got me through the day

Flood, you have mail.

I totally know how you feel with taking meds just to live
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Quoting hurricanejunky:
Hey Flood,
Did you take a look at that link I sent ya? Forward it to NRAAmy too if you think it might help...



Ummm, Junky? That story was about spikes in gynecological surgery; what procedure were you thinking that me, a 6'4" man in his late forties was having done? LOL
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Quoting Orcasystems:


Hey if they give you some good pharmaceuticals... take em.. thats what they are for...


trust me, Orca, I have no fear of taking meds as prescribed...I have had days in the last year or so where they were what got me through the day
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Quoting Floodman:


Thanks, Dak! hopefully I'll be back in here on Saturday or Sunday...LST (Mrs. Flood) will let you guys know on Thursday how things went...


Hey if they give you some good pharmaceuticals... take em.. thats what they are for...
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Quoting Dakster:
Good Morning Floodman... I was just erading back a few pages of posts. Good luck with the surgery.

And g_dspeed on recovery!


Thanks, Dak! hopefully I'll be back in here on Saturday or Sunday...LST (Mrs. Flood) will let you guys know on Thursday how things went...
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Quoting stormwatcherCI:
If your surgery goes as well as my husband's did you most likely won't even need pain meds after about 2-3 days. He had his surgery on Thursday and was released from the hospital on Sunday and only took two the first day home and that was it. He said the worst part of it was the stiffness, not pain. Praying all goes well with you.


My surgeon is a little less optimistic about my need for pain meds, but I hope you're right...getting tired of my daily routine of two of these at this time, one of these at this time, etc...thtanks!
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Hey Flood,
Did you take a look at that link I sent ya? Forward it to NRAAmy too if you think it might help...

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wonder what 2010 hurricane season will be like
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Good Morning Floodman... I was just erading back a few pages of posts. Good luck with the surgery.

And g_dspeed on recovery!
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Quoting Floodman:


Thanks, mel! So how are you? Everything good, I hope?
If your surgery goes as well as my husband's did you most likely won't even need pain meds after about 2-3 days. He had his surgery on Thursday and was released from the hospital on Sunday and only took two the first day home and that was it. He said the worst part of it was the stiffness, not pain. Praying all goes well with you.
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Quoting melwerle:
MOrning Flood!

Hope all goes well - good luck with the surgery. Keep one thing in mind (on the up side of surgery...VERSED. :)



Thanks, mel! So how are you? Everything good, I hope?
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Seismic Monitor

AOI

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Humor in Comments
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MOrning Flood!

Hope all goes well - good luck with the surgery. Keep one thing in mind (on the up side of surgery...VERSED. :)

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looks like everything drifting more south now with whats left of the n'easter
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Lightning show as storm strikes city


THIS lightning bolt off Bondi was one of 868 strikes that illuminated Sydney as a spectacular storm swept the city last night(Monday).

The gale followed a day of scorching temperatures, which reached 38.8C at Penrith.

"Although it was a mild storm it brought a lot of lightning with it," Chris Webb, of the NSW bureau of Meteorology, said. "Between 6.30 and 7.30 there were 498 cloud to ground strikes in a 30km radius from Sydney Airport. Another 370 bolts of cloud to cloud lightning were also recorded."

Earlier in the day firefighters battled a scrub and grass fire in West Hoxton, bringing it under control after initial fears that 50 homes were in danger.

Temperatures were expected to be back to the low 20s today.
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902. beell
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
well doc what ya say 70 percent its done 30 percent we could still see something


What the heck, keep! I'll say it's over.
But won't know for sure until June of 2010!
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901. beell
For any that are interested in my opinion, The remains of the Nor'easter still relatively stacked. A complete separation from the westerlies should be complete today. Leaving an isolated, weakening, cut-off low drifting to the east in a very hostile environment.

GFS still with the idea of leaving nothing behind at the surface to turn around and make another run at the east coast. Slowly of to the NE it goes. Another trough approaching the east coast from the west-just in case!
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well doc what ya say 70 percent its done 30 percent we could still see something
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I gotta bunker down here in Washington state were suppose to have one heck of a storm on our hands.....woohoo!! biggest gust tonight has hit 55mph not too bad
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Good Morning.
Fantastic loop there, Winter123, of the entire region.
Strange stuff indeed.
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Taking in progress for Space Shuttle Atlantis.. weather looks good so far!
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893. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Mauritius Meteorological Services
Tropical Cyclone Advisory Number NINE
TROPICAL CYCLONE ANJA (04-20092010)
10:00 AM Réunion November 16 2009
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At 6:00 AM, Tropical Cyclone Anja (950 hPa) located at 14.1S 68.9E has 10 minute sustained winds of 85 knots with gusts of 120 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving southwest at 7 knots

RSMC Dvorak Intensity: T5.5

Hurricane Force Winds
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20 NM from the center

Storm Force Winds
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30 NM from the center

Gale-force winds
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40 NM from the center extending up to 60 NM in the southwestern quadrant and up to 100 NM in the eastern semi-circle

Near Gale-force winds
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60 NM from the center extending up to 80 NM from the center in the southwestern quadrant and up to 140 NM in the eastern semi-circle

Forecast and Intensity
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12 HRS: 14.9S 67.8E - 80 kts (Cyclone Tropical)
24 HRS: 16.3S 66.7E - 65 kts (Cyclone Tropical)
48 HRS: 19.3S 66.1E - 30 kts (Depression Tropicale)
72 HRS: 23.1S 68.9E - 30 kts (Depression Tropicale)

Additional Information
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ANJA remains a small size system and its intensity is stationary during last night. According to the last satellite imagery, Anja begun to turn southwestward

The system environment is still favorable with good low levels inflow and poor vertical upper levels wind shear and a rather good upper levels divergence poleward.

The efficiency of the polar outflow is weakening due to the westerly jet moving eastward. The steering flow is the mid tropospheric ridge south of the system which moves eastward. System is expected to keep on tracking southwestward then recurve southward before evacuating in the mid latitudes at medium range. On this forecasted track, the environmental conditions should remain good during the next 12 to 24 hours. Beyond the sytsem will track over cooler sea surface temperatures, south of 16S. Upper level vertical wind shear is expected to increase after 36 hours.
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loop of ida... what i feel was the most amazing storm of the year. Note the eye over honduras... wow... the only time it had an eye due to the shear in november.

Link
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touche Dan...with that I bid all of you a good night.
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Quoting PcolaDan:


Half asleep brain not so quick now so off to bed I go.


p.s. was gonna use this one, but it just looked .... errrr, wrong




Nite Pcola, don't stay away so long!!!!
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Quoting Floodman:


My greatest concern was the loss of motion; my sister had a similar surgery some 10 years ago and lost 30% mobility. My surgeon says that if I lose 10% he'll be surprised; the loss should be more like 5% and that's something I can live with

Let me say something here: these posts prove ,y point about these online communities and about this one in particular. I am a man that most of you have never met and through the things that I have said and done here in the last 5 years many of you have become my friends and you are genuinely concerned about me and my welfare. This is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is one of the best online communities anywhere and Dr. Masters should be proud to have brought all of us together...thank you all...I will not soon forget the concern and friendship you have shown me!


Flood, this is for you in particular, but will apply to many others here, if you don't mind!

"A true friend is someone who thinks that you are a good egg even though he knows that you are slightly cracked."
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886. Well said, and True.
With that, I go to bed.
Keep Strong.
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Thought for sure you would of used the 3 stooges emoticon Dan!


Half asleep brain not so quick now so off to bed I go.


p.s. was gonna use this one, but it just looked .... errrr, wrong


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Quoting Grothar:


Had a neck laminectomy in 2005. Titanium plate and screws and all. Had been pressing on my spinal cords, affecting my vision and walking, had migranes from Hades. After the operation, I had immediate relief. The best thing I ever did. Haven't had a headache since and can do more than before. The only thing I can not do is take out the garbage. I said the doctor told me not to drag anything to the front yard. lol Good Luck, Flood, it really isn't as bad as it sounds. You will be surprised at how quickly you recover.


My greatest concern was the loss of motion; my sister had a similar surgery some 10 years ago and lost 30% mobility. My surgeon says that if I lose 10% he'll be surprised; the loss should be more like 5% and that's something I can live with

Let me say something here: these posts prove my point about these online communities and about this one in particular. I am a man that most of you have never met and through the things that I have said and done here in the last 5 years many of you have become my friends and you are genuinely concerned about me and my welfare. This is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, one of the best online communities anywhere and Dr. Masters should be proud to have brought all of us together...thank you all...I will not soon forget the concern and friendship you have shown me!
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Quoting pottery:
Yoiks, Flood. Painfree after 8 yrs has got to be good.
Best wishes with the op.
You will get to be a real pain in the $%^ at airport security gates, buzzing and tweeping everytime you walk through! with bolts in your spine.


Actually the titanium doesn't go off at the airports. I am through them a couple times a month all over the world and not once have I been beeped. They just don't like my looks and wonder why there isn't an empty page on my passport.
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Quoting pottery:
Yoiks, Flood. Painfree after 8 yrs has got to be good.
Best wishes with the op.
You will get to be a real pain in the $%^ at airport security gates, buzzing and tweeping everytime you walk through! with bolts in your spine.


LOL...that will slow down my travel a bit, huh?
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Quoting Floodman:


Discectomy at L4-L5, fusion using the titanium cage and nerve decomptression at L5-S1

My understanding is that my leg pain will be gone when I wake up after surgery, though the back pain will be considerably increased (titanium screws in the vertabrae and all...you know)...the cessation of leg pain after 8 years of constant pain will be worth the effort


Had a neck laminectomy in 2005. Titanium plate and screws and all. Had been pressing on my spinal cords, affecting my vision and walking, had migranes from Hades. After the operation, I had immediate relief. The best thing I ever did. Haven't had a headache since and can do more than before. The only thing I can not do is take out the garbage. I said the doctor told me not to drag anything to the front yard. lol Good Luck, Flood, it really isn't as bad as it sounds. You will be surprised at how quickly you recover.
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Awake, Thanks for getting back to me. I do Storm cleanup out of Alabama and (will travel anywhere there is a job)just deciding if I need to start the treck North or not. I grew up in Pa and was stationed in Va and DE and NJ. So I am familier with the areas just don't know if any work is available or not.

Mike
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


Dude..I don't know you from Adam. But I do know from your posts on here you are a fighter and you will beat this thing. There is no doubt in my mind.


Thanks, Geoffrey, I appreciate that! The funny thing about these blogs and chats is that we tend to be more ourselves than we are in a face to face meeting, I think...history has shown me that I get to know people better from these places than I do sometimes in person. Mrs. Flood and I met in a medical chat 12 years ago, if that's any indication
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Yoiks, Flood. Painfree after 8 yrs has got to be good.
Best wishes with the op.
You will get to be a real pain in the $%^ at airport security gates, buzzing and tweeping everytime you walk through! with bolts in your spine.
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
Jambalaya, yummm, Flood!
Put some of that capsaicin (chili peppers) on your back!

Well, dear friend, sorry you have to hurt...but wow, is that ever the Universe telling you that you have made the right decision to have the surgery. I'm sure you're kind of tensed up because, well, it's surgery.

Nana says hot cocoa and a warm bath for you.
(Or Kahlua, or Bailey's...if you will.)

So this insomniac is going to try to get some sleep. Thanks for the conversation and watching football w/me, too!


G'night, Awake...sleep well, darlin'! See you in the morniong, I'm sure!
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Quoting Floodman:


I'm right there...I'm not really nervous about it; I'm good with it. I think maybe the idea of relief has allowed my game face to drop a bit...I will admit though that looking at my MRI and the train wreck that my back has become was shocking; I had no idea how, well, bad it is. Kind of funny in a way, you know? Live fast die young and leave a good looking corpse...I just forgot the die young part...LOL


Dude..I don't know you from Adam. But I do know from your posts on here you are a fighter and you will beat this thing. There is no doubt in my mind.
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Quoting Grothar:


You certainly don't have to answer, but what procedure are the using?


Discectomy at L4-L5, fusion using the titanium cage and nerve decomptression at L5-S1

My understanding is that my leg pain will be gone when I wake up after surgery, though the back pain will be considerably increased (titanium screws in the vertabrae and all...you know)...the cessation of leg pain after 8 years of constant pain will be worth the effort
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Quoting Orcasystems:


Actually you are mislead by that kind of article.

Do we use Block clear cutting.. yes.
Do we replant every tree cut... yes.
Do we have a deforestation problem... No
Will it cause problems in heavy rains... Maybe in a fresh area (which we no longer do)



But they showed aerial pictures and everything! No, I believe you since you are there. I would imagine that no place inhabited is as pristine as it once was. They did mention the tremendous effort in the reforestation that had taken place over the years. Very commendable. It is a place I would like to visit one day.
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Thought for sure you would of used the 3 stooges emoticon Dan!
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Jambalaya, yummm, Flood!
Put some of that capsaicin (chili peppers) on your back!

Well, dear friend, sorry you have to hurt...but wow, is that ever the Universe telling you that you have made the right decision to have the surgery. I'm sure you're kind of tensed up because, well, it's surgery.

Nana says hot cocoa and a warm bath for you.
(Or Kahlua, or Bailey's...if you will.)

So this insomniac is going to try to get some sleep. Thanks for the conversation and watching football w/me, too!
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Flood...just know the surgery will make the pain go away. It may take awhile afterwards, but it will go away. Anxiety is a normal reaction before surgery, but concentrate on the end result.


I'm right there...I'm not really nervous about it; I'm good with it. I think maybe the idea of relief has allowed my game face to drop a bit...I will admit though that looking at my MRI and the train wreck that my back has become was shocking; I had no idea how, well, bad it is. Kind of funny in a way, you know? Live fast die young and leave a good looking corpse...I just forgot the die young part...LOL
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Doing good here Flood.
Going to be a bachelor for 3 weeks. Not my favourite condition..

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Quoting Grothar:


I read a very interesting article on Vancouver Island in National Geographic a while back. They showed it from 1850 to present and the tremendous amount of deforestation that had taken place and the different levels of trees which had been replaced. Still nowhere where it once had been. How bad is a system like that when you get such a heavy rain so quickly?


Actually you are mislead by that kind of article.

Do we use Block clear cutting.. yes.
Do we replant every tree cut... yes.
Do we have a deforestation problem... No
Will it cause problems in heavy rains... Maybe in a fresh area (which we no longer do)

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Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.