Ida's remnants pounding North and South Carolina; El Salvador flooding toll at 160

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:06 PM GMT on November 11, 2009

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The remnants of Tropical Storm Ida have pushed off the coast of Georgia, and are adding fuel to a developing extratropical storm that is pounding North and South Carolina with heavy rain and high winds. Over two inches of rain has fallen across much of the region, and NOAA's Hydrometeorological Prediction Center (Figure 1) predicts that up to eight inches of rain could fall in coastal North Carolina by Saturday. Adding to the rainwater flooding problems from all this rain will be coastal flooding from tropical storm-force winds of 40 mph expected to build tonight through Thursday along the Outer Banks of North Carolina. High tides up to four feet above normal are expected from the strong winds. North Carolina will end up getting a more severe pounding from Ida's remnants than Ida gave to the Gulf Coast. You can follow the storm with our Severe Weather Page.


Figure 1. Forecast precipitation for the 5-day period ending at 7 am EST Saturday November 14, 2009. Image credit: NOAA/Hydrometeorological Prediction Center

Invest 98L no threat
Another extratropical storm (Invest 98L), currently spinning over the Atlantic a few hundred miles northwest of Puerto Rico, is showing no signs of development, and will be entering a region of very high wind shear of 30 - 40 knots on Thursday. It currently appears that 98L will swing northward and northeast out to sea on Friday and Saturday, and not merge with the extratropical remnants of Ida currently pounding North Carolina.

Gulf Coast cleans up after Ida
Tropical Storm Ida left mostly minor damage across the Gulf Coast, with the heaviest damage being reported on the west end of Alabama's Dauphin Island. Roads there were covered with sand and water, and moderate beach erosion was reported. At Gulf State Park at Orange Beach, Alabama, the new fishing pier--the longest on the Gulf of Mexico--suffered heavy damage, and will be closed indefinitely. The pier was replaced after being destroyed by Hurricane Ivan in 2004, and just opened in July. "We may have significant losses," said Phillip West, Orange Beach coastal resources manager, discussing beach erosion from Ida. "Not catastrophic or devastating, but significant."

In the Florida Panhandle near Pensacola, Ida washed huge amounts of sand over Fort Pickens Road in Gulf Islands National Seashore, and over heavily traveled J. Earle Bowden Way, which connects Pensacola and Navarre beaches. Both roads are closed indefinitely. Fort Pickens Road was washed out by Hurricane Opal in 1995, and moved to a new location. Hurricane Ivan washed the road out in 2004. It was rebuilt, but was destroyed and rebuilt three more times in 2005, thanks to Tropical Storm Arlene and Hurricanes Cindy and Dennis. The most recent rebuilding of the road put it at a lower elevation, to allow sand to wash over it. It is hoped the cost of this latest repair will be under $1 million.

Editorial comment: perhaps having a low-lying road along a barrier island that regularly washes out, requiring millions in taxpayer repair money to fix, is a bad idea?? Seems to me like this is taxpayer money ill-spent. The 1988 Stafford Act, authorizing the rebuilding of damaged infrastructure after presidentially declared emergencies, has resulted in hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer money being spent to rebuild infrastructure damaged by tropical storms and hurricanes on barrier islands. In an era of rising sea levels, and with the U.S. in the midst of an active hurricane period expected to last at least another decade, the Stafford Act just doesn't make sense. Those living in areas subject to a very high level of repeated coastal hazards should pay the bills for their willingness to live in harm's way, rather than depending on Uncle Sam.

In a interview in the New York Times after the last time Fort Pickens Road was washed out, Dr. Orrin Pilkey, professor emeritus in the Nicholas School of the Environment at Duke University and author of the excellent 2009 book The Rising Sea, said, "People say, 'What are you going to do, let the road fall in? The correct answer, of course, is yes."

Food shortages in El Salvador after floods kill at least 160
A tropical disturbance that dumped up to 17.4" (442 mm) of rain in 24 hours over central El Salvador on Sunday has triggered the need for urgent food aid after flood and landslides destroyed huge swaths of crops during harvest season, according to the U.N. World Food Program. The storm killed at leat 160 people, with dozens more still missing. About 13,000 people are homeless after the disaster.


Figure 2. Collapsed bridge at Santa Cruz La Libertad, El Salvador, with people trying to cross the river. Image credit: Wunderphotographer DiegoSagrera

For those interested in making a donation to assist in disaster relief for El Salvador, Portlight.org has a Paypal donation page set up for this. All funds raised will be forwarded to José Luis Escobar Alas, Catholic Archbishop of San Salvador, and used to assist flooding victims at the discretion of the Archbishop.

Jeff Masters

Ida on Tuesday Pensacola Beach Pier (FatdaddyMead)
Tuesday morning as Ida passes through.
Ida on Tuesday Pensacola Beach Pier
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Quoting stormy2008:
Quick report from Norfolk... winds are still strong (40-50mph), lots of folks losing power (went out earlier and got gas for the generator). Will continue to post as much as I can... while/when I can.

Thanks for your posts today. Sounds like you're prepared.

And again to Vets and those serving in Armed Forces, and I'll add First Responders...Thank you for all you do and have done.
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Officially worst wind for Tallahassee occurred yesterday. Highest sustained wind: 25mph Highest Gust: 40mph. Rain around 1 1/4 inches.

Note: i have yet to see the Sun since monday.
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Quoting atmoaggie:

I would call something that is forecast to exceed Isabel's surge at the mid-Atlantic coast pretty significant...


Thats pretty big.
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Quoting stormy2008:
Quick report from Norfolk... winds are still strong (40-50mph), lots of folks losing power (went out earlier and got gas for the generator). Will continue to post as much as I can... while/when I can.


Be safe up there!
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Quick report from Norfolk... winds are still strong (40-50mph), lots of folks losing power (went out earlier and got gas for the generator). Will continue to post as much as I can... while/when I can.
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Quoting atmoaggie:

Well, if ya didn't flood in Isabel, you prolly don't have to worry a lot about your personal location...unless it was very close.

If you did flood for Isabel, it might get bad for you tomorrow in the mid afternoon. I would seriously consider being somewhere else until Friday afternoon in that case.

Calm and rational need to be on the menu...

No, not worried about my home...we lost power in County for several days to week from Isabel. The charm of living in older neighborhoods with big ol' trees and power lines above ground.

calm and rational now, lol, I may need to saddle up, pronto...we'll see.
I'm a disaster reservist; now w/Region III, out of Philadelphia. So that's most of the affected states so far, although not NC or NJ.
I'm not a first responder, just a public affairs type...

Speaking of dogs, Geoff you must bring the great-looking pups in your avatar to Dewey Beach, DE, some day. Might need a bit of shoring up by the Army Corps of Engineers :(

Hubby's home; time to tell him the bad news.
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Yes, I also want to take this time to thank all of the veterans for your service to this country and all for what you have done and sacrificed here on this Veterans Day. This day really puts everything in perspective and my thoughts and prayers are to those men and women in the armed forces serving this great nation.

Also, my heartfelt prayers to the families of our fallen soldiers.
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Jefferson Parish,the Big Suburban Parish immediately west of Orleans Parish,..needs civilians for Skywarn classes,

...become a storm Spotter for the NWS and one can help in a Direct way.


Storm spotters sought for Jefferson Parish training

By The Times-Picayune
November 11, 2009, 10:21AM

Jefferson Parish's Emergency Management Department will sponsor a storm spotter class presented by the National Weather Service on Monday at 6:30 p.m. at the Eastbank Regional Library's Napoleon Room B at 4747 W. Napoleon Avenue in Metairie.

The 90-minute class will cover the work of the National Weather Service, how residents can detect approaching storms and whom to call when severe weather strikes. The weather service seeks storm spotters for real-time reports of hail size, wind damage, flash flooding, heavy rain and tornado development in order to warn the public.

For more information, call Emergency Management Director Kenneth Padgett at 504.349.5360.
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
Atmo, appreciate the graphs, charts, data...even what I'm just learning to understand. It's better to know and be prepared... I'm practicing not freaking out right now. Breathe, breathe...

Sorry I'm running off at the mouth (fingers).

Well, if ya didn't flood in Isabel, you prolly don't have to worry a lot about your personal location...unless it was very close. (I know it wasn't for Silver Spring, right?)

If you did flood for Isabel, it might get bad for you tomorrow in the mid afternoon. I would seriously consider being somewhere else until Friday afternoon in that case.

Calm and rational need to be on the menu...
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Wilma...destroyed my house. Tore my roof off. Three months living in a motel. But the funny thing was, had power the next day. With Frances and Jeanne, no power for about three weeks.


Florida got better at handling disasters. Unfortunately, they had a LOT of experience in '04 and '05.
We have NOT had as much hands-on experience in a mega-way, storm after storm. But our Fire and Rescue, CERT, etc. has had drills, taken our classes... Emmittsburg Emergency Management Institute is just up the road apiece. Got our t-shirts (literally); just hope we have the cujones.

Atmo, appreciate the graphs, charts, data...even what I'm just learning to understand. It's better to know and be prepared... I'm practicing not freaking out right now. Breathe, breathe...

Sorry I'm running off at the mouth (fingers).
If I get it out of my system now, I'll be fine. Old boss used to consider me pretty good in a crisis.

And Cantore's in...Nag's Head.

Virginia got Mike Seidel. Think they won.
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Happy Veterans Day Pat and THANK YOU!

Yeah, what he said. Thank you, and all vets, for your service.

Signed,
Descendant of Civil War Cavalry, WWI infantry, WWII infantry, WWII Army Intelligence, Bay of Pigs...ummm, yeah, not supposed to talk about that one, still.
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Damn, where are my manners? Forgot to wish everyone, especially those veterans here (only Patrap comes to mind) who served this nation to help protect our freedoms, a Happy Veterans Day!
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Why thanks GeoffreyWPB,that means a lot for sure.

Serving America was a privilege.

Have a Happy Veterans Day evening too.
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Happy Veterans Day Pat and THANK YOU!
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Good evening everyone! Just wanted to stop in this evening and wish those in the Mid-Atlantic the best with the flood problems continuing to plague the region from remnant Ida. REMEMBER: TURN AROUND - DONT DROWN! In the meantime, things will be getting very nice down here in South Florida as the cold front cleared a couple hours ago and cooler, drier conditions settle in for the coming week. Some places in rural South Florida may see upper 40s come early Friday morning.
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And look close at the last red X and the first black X...forecast is running a little low relative to observation...not good. The other way around would be much preferred.

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Wilma...destroyed my house. Tore my roof off. Three months living in a motel. But the funny thing was, had power the next day. With Frances and Jeanne, no power for about three weeks.
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Hi Nana...looks like you may be getting some nasty weather in the next few days. Hope it doesn't pan out.

Hiya, Geoff, From your post to God's ears & eyes.
It's instant karma for me kvetching that I didn't want to spend Thanksgiving in Denny's again (post H. Wilma)!
I MISS Lake Worth! What is the name of that deli up the street from the park?
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
O good Lord, no kidding, TWC just used the "Katrina" word, in throw to Greg Forbes. I thought Isabel was bad enough. Please tell me this is hyperbole.

Actually, the surge forecast has been bumped up a little in the last couple of hours.

The forecast for Sewells Point:


Isabel:
STORM SURGE VARIED SIGNIFICANTLY ACROSS THE REGION. AT SEWELLS POINT VA...THE MAXIMUM WATER LEVEL WAS 7.9 FEET ABOVE MEAN LOWER LOW WATER (MLLW). THIS REPRESENTED A 5 FOOT STORM SURGE. 5 FOOT SURGE LEVELS WERE ALSO SEEN AT CAMBRIDGE MD (6.2 MLLW)...LANCASTER COUNTY VA... AND MATHEWS COUNTY VA...WITH NEARLY 5 FOOT SURGES REPORTED AT THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BRIDGE TUNNEL (4.6 FOOT SURGE, 7.3 MLLW).

From post storm report by Wakefield WFO: http://www.erh.noaa.gov/akq/wx_events/hur/isabel_2003.htm

Looks like (2.4 meters = 7.9 feet):


Isabel produced a lot of flooding scattered among a number of states, this looks to be a little worse, but without as much wind damage.
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Hi Nana...looks like you may be getting some nasty weather in the next few days. Hope it doesn't pan out.
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Thanks, Stormy2008. My heart belongs to the Delaware beaches (dog-friendly a lot of the year).
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Thank you PalmBeachWeather...Here is the coverage Channel 5 did on Ozzie...Ozzie The Man
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O good Lord, no kidding, TWC just used the "Katrina" word, in throw to Greg Forbes. I thought Isabel was bad enough. Please tell me this is hyperbole.
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Can you image if there would have been any significant cold air coming in behind a system like this one currently?

There would be much more to talk about with this storm had that happened that's for sure!
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Quoting OuterBanker:
Regarding the Stafford Act and not paying for people to live on the Barrier Islands. The tourist dollars and tax revenue from the NC barrier islands from the, literally, millions, of tourists who visit us from VT, CT, NY, NJ, PA, KY, TN, WV, MD, DC, Europe (a growing %) more than makes up for keeping a road open (NC-12 in our case). In 2008 tourists spent 777.41 MILLION (http://www.outerbanks.org/visitor_services/press_room/press_releases/2008_Dare_County_Tourism_Fig)i n Dare County alone. Keeping a two lane road open seems a small price. Also, where do you think your mid-atlantic tuna, shrimp, etc come from anyway. Try Wanchese for one, home of a fleet of commercial fisherman and woman (generations deep), who load up their trucks five days a week and drive north to NE and points in between. Where do you think they live. We have a national park called Hatteras, which recently was voted the best beach in the US (Dr. Beach). We have Kill Devil Hills, recently rated one of the 10 cleanest beaches in the U.S. That included beaches at lakes, rivers, streams, you name it. Uh, where do you think birds migrate through, to or live. One of the major flyways in the world crosses over my home. Who to protect this resource? We are on the cusp for birds and fishes. Southern migrating habitat comes north to us and the northern habitat comes south to us. In summary dear reader, we ain't a bunch of rich folk, the average person, just like in Texas and LA is not an adrenaline junkie, waiting for the next great rush or storm surge. Whew, I've got more, but I be done.

It's good to hear from someone who actually knows what's going on.
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
328. Do you have a Delaware reading?
(Same as OC, MD?) Thnx.


Delaware:

Georgetown: 39 mph
Wilmington: 29 mph
Dover: 26 mph
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Geoffrey...Been there many times..That's great that you celebrated the great veterans.Too bad about Ozzie
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328. Do you have a Delaware reading?
(Same as OC, MD?) Thnx.
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Highest wind gusts reported thus far (land stations):

Virginia:

Norfolk (ORF): 53 mph
Norfolk (NAS): 48 mph
Wallops Island: 46 mph
Virginia Beach: 43 mph
Newport News (PHF): 37 mph

North Carolina:

Elizabeth City: 45 mph
Manteo: 38 mph
Hatteras: 36 mph

Maryland:

Salisbury: 33 mph
Ocean City: 39 mph
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Quoting atmoaggie:

I would call something that is forecast to exceed Isabel's surge at the mid-Atlantic coast pretty significant...

But the really -- significant -- question is:

WHO GETS CANTORE?

I vote Virginia...

Warmest regards,
Maryland
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Quoting Orcasystems:


I see that :(
456 had the Flu, with complications ... he should be back with us by the weekend.


I have been wondering what happened to him. So sorry to hear that.
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Quoting reedzone:
Accuweather is hyping that this will be a Superstorm, any thoughts on this anyone?

I would call something that is forecast to exceed Isabel's surge at the mid-Atlantic coast pretty significant...
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A Veterans Day from where I work...Link
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Quoting MZV:
This has been a strange "tropical storm" for the Carolinas... seems to have mixed down an unusual amount of cool air. It feels more like a "Pacific Northwest" storm out of Alaska, that you might experience in Portland or Seattle.

Will probably be a nasty, cold nor'easter coming up the rest of the Atlantic coast.


Indeed it will be . This storm won't move out of that area until late Friday into Saturday.
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Ditto on your comments about the Stafford Act. But look at all the jobs the feds have created while wasting our money!? Seriously, the Stafford Act does a lot more than waste money in poorly considered sub-paragraphs. It is what enables disaster relief. The larger problem is compassionate presidents who won't spend a nickle unless it's for their own back yard. As a destination, Crawford, TX set the record for greenhouse gas emission - by Air Force One.
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Conditions at CBBV2 as of
(5:30 pm EST):

Wind Direction (WDIR): NNE ( 30 deg true )
Wind Speed (WSPD): 33.0 kts
Wind Gust (GST): 49.0 kts
Atmospheric Pressure (PRES): 29.91 in
Air Temperature (ATMP): 57.2 °F
Water Temperature (WTMP): 62.1 °F

Conditions at CHYV2 as of
(5:31 pm EST):

Wind Direction (WDIR): NE ( 50 deg true )
Wind Speed (WSPD): 40.0 kts
Wind Gust (GST): 47.0 kts
Atmospheric Pressure (PRES): 29.91 in
Air Temperature (ATMP): 56.8 °F
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320. MZV
This has been a strange "tropical storm" for the Carolinas... seems to have mixed down an unusual amount of cool air. It feels more like a "Pacific Northwest" storm out of Alaska, that you might experience in Portland or Seattle.

Will probably be a nasty, cold nor'easter coming up the rest of the Atlantic coast.
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500 PM EST WED NOV 11 2009
SOUTHEAST VIRGINIA

CITY SKY/WX TMP DP RH WIND PRES REMARKS
NORFOLK RAIN 55 54 94 NE24G53 29.94F FOG
VIRGINIA BEACH RAIN 57 56 96 NE23G39 29.94F FOG
NORFOLK NAVAL RAIN 58 53 84 NE33G43 29.97F FOG
WEST POINT* CLOUDY N/A N/A N/A NE15G24 30.08S
NEWPORT NEWS N/A 54 50 87 NE20G30 30.01S
LANGLEY AFB RAIN 54 54 100 NE26G38 29.99F FOG
FORT EUSTIS RAIN 53 50 92 NE16G31 30.00F
WILLIAMSBURG* CLOUDY 52 52 100 NE10G23 30.03F
CHESAPEAKE LGT RAIN 57 57 100 NE20G31 29.94F
FRANKLIN* N/A 55 54 94 NE14G23 29.96F
WAKEFIELD RAIN 52 48 87 N9G20 30.00F FOG
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318. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
India Meteorological Department
Tropical Cyclone Bulletin Number SIXTEEN
DEPRESSION, FORMER PHYAN (ARB03-2009)
23:30 PM IST November 11 2009
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Subject: Depression Over Madhya Maharashtra.

At 18:00 PM UTC, Deep Depression, Former Phyan over north Madhya Maharashtra has weakened into a depression and remained practically stationary close to Nasik.

It is likely to move northeastwards and weaken gradually.
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Accuweather is hyping that this will be a Superstorm, any thoughts on this anyone?
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Thank you Storm for the confirmation.
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Quoting Glenlivet:
Tons of Rain in NW Fla!
At Mossy Head west of Defuniak Springs, Fl. got 4 inches of rain during Ida.
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I thought 98L was going to shoot off to the NE...not coming close to the remnants of Ida.
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WOW, I know it isn't what it looks, but it does look like EX-Ida is absorbing into 98L, interesting shot here..

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308. beell
had enough limited knowledge to use google well!
These folks get pretty technical with their coastal storms. Pretty cool!
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