Ida weakens to a tropical storm; tropical disturbance 96E kills 124 in El Salvador

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:20 PM GMT on November 09, 2009

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Tropical Storm Ida is steadily weakening as it hurtles northwards towards the Gulf of Mexico coast. Rains from Ida have already pushed into south-central Louisiana, where radar estimates indicate up to an inch of rain has fallen. Winds along the Gulf Coast of Mississippi, Alabama, and the Florida Panhandle were 20 - 25 mph this morning, and will steadily increase today as Ida draws near. Winds at the Mississippi Canyon buoy 150 miles south of Gulfport, MS were sustained at 45 mph at 8 am EST this morning, with 19 foot waves.


Figure 1. Microwave "radar in space" image of Ida taken at 7:15 am EST on Monday, 11/9/09. The eye is visible as a dark spot, but the eyewall has partially collapsed. The strongest echoes are on the north side of the storm, and Ida's heaviest rains and highest winds will hit the coast tonight, well in advance of the arrival of the center. Image credit: Navy Research Lab, Monterey.

Infrared and visible satellite loops show that wind shear has substantially degraded the appearance of Ida, and there is very little heavy thunderstorm activity in the storm's eyewall. Most of Ida's heavy thunderstorms have been displaced to the north of the storm, due to strong upper-level winds out of the southwest creating 30 knots of wind shear. Water vapor satellite imagery reveals a large area of dry air to the southwest of Ida, and the shear has now driven this dry air deep into the core of the storm, significantly disrupting it. The latest 6:30am EST vortex report from the Hurricane Hunters reported that the eyewall was ragged, and the pressure had risen to 997 mb. A recent microwave satellite image of Ida (Figure 1) shows that the eyewall is weak and has partially collapsed. Ida's most intense thunderstorms are on the north side of the storm, and the heaviest rains and highest winds will hit the coast tonight, well in advance of the arrival of the center.

The intensity forecast for Ida
The intensity forecast models predict that Ida's winds will range between 50 - 65 knots (58 - 74 mph) at landfall. The high wind shear of 30 knots currently affecting Ida is forecast to increase to 40 knots by late afternoon, and 55 knots by midnight. With Ida now over waters near 26°C, which is barely enough to support a hurricane, and with water temperatures decreasing to 23°C near the coast, the combination of high wind shear and cold waters will act to significantly weaken Ida. However, Ida is beginning to transition to an extratropical storm, and it is often the case that during such a transition the winds will gain energy from the process, though that's looking unlikely in this case. I expect Ida's top winds will be in the 50 - 60 mph range along the coast tonight and Tuesday morning. Regardless of Ida's strength at landfall, the storm will be able to dump 4 - 8 inches of rain along the Gulf Coast and well inland. We can't rule out the possibility of an isolated tornado when Ida makes landfall, but the Storm Prediction Center Discussion maintains that the airmass in place over the Gulf Coast is relatively stable, and prospects for an appreciable severe weather threat appear low.


Figure 2. Maximum storm surge (depth of water above ground) for a Category 1 hurricane with 85 mph winds moving north-northeast at 15 mph. Ida is expected to be moving at this speed and direction at landfall, but will be much weaker, so surges will not be this high. Furthermore, the storm will not create this level of surge along the entire coast--the image above is a composite worst-case scenario for all the storms shown by the black tracks with arrows. Image credit: NOAA SLOSH model run for Mobile Bay, 2008 version. Heights are given relative to the NAVD88 datum.

The storm surge forecast for Ida
Storm surge is the other major concern for Ida. With a strong high pressure system anchored over the U.S. today, the pressure difference between this high and Ida is creating a strong pressure gradient that was driving tides 2.5 feet above normal at Shell Beach, LA (on the east side of New Orleans) this morning, one foot above normal at Dauphin Island, AL, and one foot at Pensacola, FL (Figure 3). NHC is now calling for a storm surge of 3 - 5 feet above ground level, which is a reasonable forecast even if Ida weakens further. A large stretch of coast will be subject to very high water levels for an extended period of time today and tomorrow, with battering waves on top of the surge likely to cause a significant coastal erosion event. A particular concern is the western end of Alabama's Dauphin Island, when even a strong tropical storm can cause significant damage to the low-lying, heavily developed barrier island. The tidal range along the Gulf Coast varies by about 1.5 feet between low and high tide, and high tide is near 2 am EST on Tuesday.




Figure 3. Observed vs. predicted water levels at three coastal stations. Top: Shell Beach, LA (just east of New Orleans); middle: Dauphin Island, Alabama; bottom: Pensacola, FL. The green line shows how high above normal the water is. For Shell Beach, it was 2.5 feet above normal at 9am CST, while it was just over 1.0 feet above normal at the other two locations. Image credit: NOAA Tides and Currents.

Comparing to Hurricane Kate
The last November hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico was Hurricane Kate. Kate struck the Florida Panhandle near Mexico Beach on November 21, 1985 as a Category 2 storm with 105 mph winds. According to Wikipedia, Kate killed five people in Florida and did $300 million (1985 dollars) in damage. Ida will cause relatively minor damage compared to Kate.

Links to follow:
U.S. Severe Weather Page
Wundermap for the Gulf Coast of Alabama.
Long-range radar out of New Orleans, LA.
Navarre Beach, FL webcam.
Coastal observations from the University of South Alabama.
Coastal observations from LSU.

El Salvador floods kill 124
Heavy rains that began on Thursday due to tropical disturbance 96E have killed at least 124 people in El Salvador, with 60 people still missing. The flooding hit the capital of San Salvador and rural areas to the east. The heavy rains were due to tropical disturbance 96E (Figure 4), which formed off the coast of El Salvador on Wednesday, November 4. The counter-clockwise flow of air around the disturbance pulled large quantities of moist, Pacific air over the coastal mountains in El Salvador, dumping heavy rains of up to five inches, according to satellite estimates. The rains must have been much heavier over a small area that the satellite could not resolve. The terrible devastation I'm seeing in news photos indicates much higher rains of perhaps 10 - 15 inches must have fallen in a concentrated area in the mountains.


Figure 4. Satellite image of tropical disturbance 96E, which moved over El Salvador Thursday through Saturday, bringing heavy rains. Also pictured is Tropical Depression Eleven, which intensified into Tropical Storm Ida later that day. Ida was not responsible for the flooding in El Salvador, though it may have helped pull 96E into El Salvador. NASA has a nice zoom image> of 96E from November 5.

I'll have an update on Ida this afternoon.

Jeff Masters

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, latest report from the Shell/MARS platform has no wind speed. Leaves all sorts of room for speculation...
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42363
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Quoting P451:
Incredible....




Does it Look like it is making a turn to the West there?
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Quoting WxLogic:
Good afternoon,

Looks like Ida is going to get ready for a turn N with an easterly component to it soon as she has started to slow down some.


I noticed she had lost some length in her step.
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Quoting divdog:
did they reissue hurrican warnings


Not yet, recon showing 84mph though.
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Well Flood its a cane again for the time being! Can we just keep the hunters in there! Or give Oz a kite!
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I chatted with Ike early around 5 am,after i was on a Conf call,and I was advised to expect a landfall between Waveland and Biloxi around 8pm.

Im holding to that as of now. But Ida's windfield is expanding so a single point isnt that important relative to the impacts right now
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571. IKE
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:
She may have never stopped being a hurricane

when they downgraded her, there was no recon in the storm


You may be right.

NHC may need Max Mayfield to come back and take over.

They seem a little off in 2009.
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Quoting Floodman:


Been answering phones calls from the likes of Conch and watching this silly weather feature ramp up and down...


Sweet...I got an Honorable mention ;-)...Flood is worn out I would imagine...
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Quoting stormsurge39:
Crap
did they reissue hurrican warnings
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Quoting NRAamy:
547. rareaire 12:04 PM PST on November 09, 2009
ABOUT TIME YOU JOINED US FLOOD!!!


Jerry! How's the back today?


Bad, as is very much not good...I'm into the heavy hitters now : (

I see the surgeon on Friday...

Thanks for asking darlin'!
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Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Good Afternoon!

Latest Vortex has Ida at a 1 millibar lower pressure than at 1PM, But winds are just below at 67MPH. Expect the 4PM advisory to have a pressure of 991 Millibars and a 70MPH wind.


Recon shows they found hurricane force winds as well
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Quoting P451:
So the three scenarios left to discuss are:

Ida and her friends - likely to become one will:

a) Head into the SE US, ride off the NC coast, and bomb as a Nor'Easter

b) Hug the NE Gulf coast and turn SE through Florida and weaken.

C) Hug the NE Gulf coast and turn E and head off the E coast of Florida while weakening and dissipating somewhere off the E coast of Florida.


I don't think there are any other high confidence scenarios to discuss are there?

Why do we still have such a low confidence forecast?


Excerpt from NWS Sterling, VA (Balt - DC NWS)

THE NAM KEEPS IDA COMPLETELY SQUELCHED DOWN ACROSS THE DEEP SOUTH
AND NEARBY COASTAL AREAS OF FL/GA. INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE
WEEK...BASICALLY AN EFFECT OF HAVING THE UPPER TROF PUSH INTO THE
MID ATLC BEFORE IDA IS ABLE TO DRIFT NEWD. THE GFS USES THE UPPER
TROF TO ACTUALLY STRENGTHEN THE REMNANTS OF IDA INTO A POTENT
COASTAL LOW JUST OFF CAPE HATTERAS...BASED OF IT/S SLIGHTLY SLOWER
TIMING OF ALLOWING IDA TO MOVE ACROSS THE SRN PORTIONS OF THE GA/SC
JUST AHEAD OF THE UPPER TROF...THO IT SEEMS LIKE THE GFS IS THE
OUTLIER IN THE 00Z RUN OF MODEL PACKAGES.

WITH THE GFS SOLUTION...THE EFFECTS OF THIS COASTAL LOW WOULD BE
FELT FOR EVEN LONGER AND STRONGER ACROSS THE I-95 CORRIDOR OF THE
CWA AND SEWD /IN WINDS AND RAIN/. 00Z RUNS OF THE GEM AND EUROPEAN
SEEM A BIT MORE REALISTIC W/ THEIR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS
FEATURE...WHICH THEY DO BUT FURTHER OFFSHORE AND THEREFORE MUCH LESS
IMPACT ON THE ERN SEABOARD. THE GEM IS VERY SLOW W/ THE NEAR-TERM
PROGRESS OF IDA...AND NO LANDFALL /SO DISCOUNTING THE 00Z RUN/. THE
ECMWF IS SLOWER THAN THE GFS W/ THE UPPER WAVE...BUT IT DOESN/T
DEVELOP THE COASTAL NEARLY AS STRONG OR CLOSE TO THE COAST.
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Good afternoon,

Looks like Ida is going to get ready for a turn N with an easterly component to it soon as she has started to slow down some.
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564. Halyn
Quoting IKE:


Yeah...I'm here. Went to Wal-Mart to get dinner and some chicken tenders.

Hmmm...their good.

Ike .. is Oz on live like he said he was going to try last night .. I finally gave up and went to bed .. :)

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Wingo Ida!
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Ive never seen Mobile County Emergency Management wait and see like this! If it comes W of Dauphin Island, those folks are in for a bad ride!
Quoting Patrap:
I think that all the west coast of Florida is going to have a big suprise!! all the way down to the Florida Keys,just look at the band of rain and thunderstorms approaching the West Coast amazing!! picture.
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She may have never stopped being a hurricane

when they downgraded her, there was no recon in the storm
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Good Afternoon!

Latest Vortex has Ida at a 1 millibar lower pressure than at 1PM, But winds are just below at 67MPH. Expect the 4PM advisory to have a pressure of 991 Millibars and a 70MPH wind.
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No flooding NOLA proper,but in the Lower Parishes,East facing areas outside the Levee Protection System is seeing rising Tides as of now..
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Quoting rareaire:
ABOUT TIME YOU JOINED US FLOOD!!!


Been answering phones calls from the likes of Conch and watching this silly weather feature ramp up and down...
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555. IKE
Quoting Thundercloud01221991:

Product: Air Force Vortex Message (URNT12 KNHC)
Transmitted: 9th day of the month at 19:56Z
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 303)
Storm Number & Year: 11L in 2009
Storm Name: Ida (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 7
Observation Number: 09
A. Time of Center Fix: 9th day of the month at 19:30:30Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 28°00'N 88°29'W (28.N 88.4833W)
B. Center Fix Location: 166 miles (268 km) to the SE (145°) from New Orleans, LA, USA.
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: 1,348m (4,423ft) at 850mb
D. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind: 58kts (~ 66.7mph)
E. Location of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind: 47 nautical miles (54 statute miles) to the NE (54°) of center fix
F. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 134° at 75kts (From the SE at ~ 86.3mph)
G. Location of Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 41 nautical miles (47 statute miles) to the ENE (59°) of center fix
H. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 991mb (29.26 inHg)
I. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 16°C (61°F) at a pressure alt. of 1,528m (5,013ft)
J. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 22°C (72°F) at a pressure alt. of 1,527m (5,010ft)
K. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 15°C (59°F)
K. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
L. Eye Character: Not Available
M. Eye Shape: Not Available
N. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Wind, Pressure and Temperature
N. Fix Level: 850mb
O. Navigation Fix Accuracy: 0.02 nautical miles
O. Meteorological Accuracy: 1 nautical mile
Remarks Section - Remarks That Were Decoded...
Maximum Flight Level Wind: 75kts (~ 86.3mph) in the northeast quadrant at 19:16:40Z
Maximum Flight Level Temp: 23°C (73°F) which was observed 10 nautical miles (12 statute miles) to the ENE (70°) from the flight level center
Maximum Surface (likely estimated by SFMR) Wind Outbound: 73kts (~ 84.0mph) in the southwest quadrant at 19:35:50Z
Remarks Section - Additional Remarks...
MAX SFC WIND 73 KT OUTBOUND SW QUAD 19:35:50Z JUST OUTSIDE HEAVY CONVECTIVE BAND



Welcome back Kotter...er, hurricane Ida.
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Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


My thinking also, manual QC may reject those.

SW Quad? Could be downburst winds...
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547. rareaire 12:04 PM PST on November 09, 2009
ABOUT TIME YOU JOINED US FLOOD!!!


Jerry! How's the back today?
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Quoting P451:
So the three scenarios left to discuss are:

Ida and her friends - likely to become one will:

a) Head into the SE US, ride off the NC coast, and bomb as a Nor'Easter

b) Hug the NE Gulf coast and turn SE through Florida and weaken.

C) Hug the NE Gulf coast and turn E and head off the E coast of Florida while weakening and dissipating somewhere off the E coast of Florida.


I don't think there are any other high confidence scenarios to discuss are there?

Why do we still have such a low confidence forecast?


Lets land her first.
Quoting Wetagain:

Reply to taco...westend of dauphin island has some overwash. No surprises there !!! Police have roadblocked when I was on that end about tenish. About st stephens street. Water bareley went down by inches with dropping tide. Should be something to watch on incoming! Bay is very rough already.


Thank You.... I just did not want to drive down if I can't get on to the Island....

Taco :0)
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Freakin' amazing.
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Quoting stormsurge39:
Wheres the trough to turn Ida, or is she going too fast?


I would like to know this also..
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ABOUT TIME YOU JOINED US FLOOD!!!
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Quoting IKE:


I don't think so.

I can almost pick up her COC on the short-range Mobile,AL. radar now.

It's cool here in the western Florida panhandle...66 degrees and light rian.


Rain moving eastward toward me. Almost there. Wind picking up more too. Not too bad but it reminds me of previous systems.
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Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:



Hurricane Warnings It Is.
Crap
TROPICAL STORM IDA
**Intermediate Graphics Update**

Comments appreciated on my NEW Special Graphics
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Quoting iluvjess:
I am very suprised that they dropped the hurrcane advisories so abruptly well over 12 hours out from the forecasted landfall.


Ya'll are lucky Jefferson, Peterson and Scott got hurt.......LOL

GEAUX Tigers
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Quoting StormSurgeon:
Ida is gonna finish wrapping up and hit Mobile. Dauphin Island landfall. Rainy and gusty tonight for us.

Everybody there lives in a Mobile home.
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Quoting Thundercloud01221991:

Product: Air Force Vortex Message (URNT12 KNHC)
Transmitted: 9th day of the month at 19:56Z
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 303)
Storm Number & Year: 11L in 2009
Storm Name: Ida (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 7
Observation Number: 09
A. Time of Center Fix: 9th day of the month at 19:30:30Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 28°00'N 88°29'W (28.N 88.4833W)
B. Center Fix Location: 166 miles (268 km) to the SE (145°) from New Orleans, LA, USA.
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: 1,348m (4,423ft) at 850mb
D. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind: 58kts (~ 66.7mph)
E. Location of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind: 47 nautical miles (54 statute miles) to the NE (54°) of center fix
F. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 134° at 75kts (From the SE at ~ 86.3mph)
G. Location of Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 41 nautical miles (47 statute miles) to the ENE (59°) of center fix
H. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 991mb (29.26 inHg)
I. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 16°C (61°F) at a pressure alt. of 1,528m (5,013ft)
J. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 22°C (72°F) at a pressure alt. of 1,527m (5,010ft)
K. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 15°C (59°F)
K. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
L. Eye Character: Not Available
M. Eye Shape: Not Available
N. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Wind, Pressure and Temperature
N. Fix Level: 850mb
O. Navigation Fix Accuracy: 0.02 nautical miles
O. Meteorological Accuracy: 1 nautical mile
Remarks Section - Remarks That Were Decoded...
Maximum Flight Level Wind: 75kts (~ 86.3mph) in the northeast quadrant at 19:16:40Z
Maximum Flight Level Temp: 23°C (73°F) which was observed 10 nautical miles (12 statute miles) to the ENE (70°) from the flight level center
Maximum Surface (likely estimated by SFMR) Wind Outbound: 73kts (~ 84.0mph) in the southwest quadrant at 19:35:50Z
Remarks Section - Additional Remarks...
MAX SFC WIND 73 KT OUTBOUND SW QUAD 19:35:50Z JUST OUTSIDE HEAVY CONVECTIVE BAND




Hurricane Warnings It Is.
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I know, lets hope not, but thats the way its looking
539. IKE
Quoting MILLERTIME1:
Looks like Ida could make land fall way before 6am. Is there anything that could slow her down


I don't think so.

I can almost pick up her COC on the short-range Mobile,AL. radar now.

It's cool here in the western Florida panhandle...66 degrees and light rain.
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Quoting cattlebaroness:
I'll change my name to BessieBurger if someone will acknowledge my lowly and uninformed questions:). Possible flooding in NO, TWC showed projected water/surge in that area and is Ida the last hurrah of 2009 or other activity to follow.
Flooding in NO, don't know might want to ask Patrap that queation. AAs for this being the last hurrah. Well Climatology says we are extremely close to the end of the season (last day of November) however this has been a very unusual year
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Floater - Rainbow Color Infrared Loop
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Quoting P451:


Incredible how she just won't quit. I thought she was on her way fully to extratropical transition, and damn well looked like it, then she does this and tightens back up and brushes it off.

She's behaved like this since she was born, though, so it shouldn't really surprise us too much.



Not at all surprised. Seems Hurricane Warnings may be in order here at 4pm.
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Wheres the trough to turn Ida, or is she going too fast?
Quoting stormsurge39:
I wouldnt be suprised if she goes a little West of us.


That would be worse Surger!
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Product: Air Force Vortex Message (URNT12 KNHC)
Transmitted: 9th day of the month at 19:56Z
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 303)
Storm Number & Year: 11L in 2009
Storm Name: Ida (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 7
Observation Number: 09
A. Time of Center Fix: 9th day of the month at 19:30:30Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 28°00'N 88°29'W (28.N 88.4833W)
B. Center Fix Location: 166 miles (268 km) to the SE (145°) from New Orleans, LA, USA.
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: 1,348m (4,423ft) at 850mb
D. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind: 58kts (~ 66.7mph)
E. Location of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind: 47 nautical miles (54 statute miles) to the NE (54°) of center fix
F. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 134° at 75kts (From the SE at ~ 86.3mph)
G. Location of Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 41 nautical miles (47 statute miles) to the ENE (59°) of center fix
H. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 991mb (29.26 inHg)
I. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 16°C (61°F) at a pressure alt. of 1,528m (5,013ft)
J. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 22°C (72°F) at a pressure alt. of 1,527m (5,010ft)
K. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 15°C (59°F)
K. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
L. Eye Character: Not Available
M. Eye Shape: Not Available
N. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Wind, Pressure and Temperature
N. Fix Level: 850mb
O. Navigation Fix Accuracy: 0.02 nautical miles
O. Meteorological Accuracy: 1 nautical mile
Remarks Section - Remarks That Were Decoded...
Maximum Flight Level Wind: 75kts (~ 86.3mph) in the northeast quadrant at 19:16:40Z
Maximum Flight Level Temp: 23°C (73°F) which was observed 10 nautical miles (12 statute miles) to the ENE (70°) from the flight level center
Maximum Surface (likely estimated by SFMR) Wind Outbound: 73kts (~ 84.0mph) in the southwest quadrant at 19:35:50Z
Remarks Section - Additional Remarks...
MAX SFC WIND 73 KT OUTBOUND SW QUAD 19:35:50Z JUST OUTSIDE HEAVY CONVECTIVE BAND

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Quoting cattlebaroness:
I'll change my name to BessieBurger if someone will acknowledge my lowly and uninformed questions:). Possible flooding in NO, TWC showed projected water/surge in that area and is Ida the last hurrah of 2009 or other activity to follow.


I can't see that there would be that much flooding in NO, darlin' and as for this being the last hurrah, the season is over on November 30th...that's all I'll say on that score
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Quoting P451:
The scope of this merging of multiple systems is just impressive.



This is what happens when a EPac invest (96E) merges with a Hurricane (Ida) merges with a hybrid extratropical system (BOC system - south of LA right now - still an ongoing process) merges with a trough (that swept in from Mexico) merges with an ULL (that swept through western Texas yesterday)

Pretty wild scenario that came together here. Mother Nature putting on a show.

But no Arctic air to make it stand on it's head.
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Quoting Patrap:


wonder if those two lightning spots are the HH plane getting whacked... bout teh same place, and a giant metal lightning rod in a TS might be enough to get a rare boom outta one.
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I am very suprised that they dropped the hurrcane advisories so abruptly well over 12 hours out from the forecasted landfall.

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