QuikSCAT satellite nearing failure; Congress poised to slash NOAA funding

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:50 PM GMT on October 10, 2009

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The QuikSCAT satellite, launched in 1999, provides crucial measurements of surface wind speed and direction over Earth's oceans twice per day. Forecasters world-wide have come to rely on data from QuikSCAT to issue timely warnings and make accurate forecasts of tropical and extratropical storms, wave heights, sea ice, aviation weather, iceberg movement, coral bleaching events, and El NiƱo. Just one example of QuikSCAT's value (H. Kite-Powell, 2008) is that wind data from QuikSCAT and the resulting improvements to warning and forecast services save the container and bulk shipping industry $135 million annually by reducing their exposure to hurricane force wind conditions in non-tropical storms by 44% over the North Pacific and North Atlantic. Originally expected to last just 2 - 3 years, QuikSCAT is now ten years old, and will be lucky to survive into 2010. NASA and NOAA notified Congress in September that there is a significant chance QuikSCAT will fail in the next few months. According to scientists at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, "the mechanism that maintains the constant 18 rpm rotation rate of the antenna that scans Earth's surface has grown steadily worse over the past six months. Engineering telemetry shows that the torque loss due to friction in the bearing system has been increasing at an alarming rate in recent weeks and that if the trend continues, the rotation speed will begin to slow significantly within the next few weeks or months. When that happens, scatterometer calibration and spatial sampling will be affected. Eventually the wind vector data products from QuikSCAT will no longer be reliable for operational forecasting. The timing is not predictable, but forecasters should anticipate loss of the QuikSCAT near-real-time data in the near future."


Figure 1. NASA's QuikSCAT satellite, launched in 1999. Image credit: NASA.

As I argued in a post earlier this year, "The case for a new QuikSCAT satellite", replacing QuikSCAT should be a high priority for Congress. The earliest a replacement satellite could be launched is 2015--if immediate action is taken to procure funding. Losing QuikSCAT is going to make it much more difficult to assess the strength and position of tropical storms over the open Atlantic, where the Hurricane Hunters cannot reach.

Senate vote Tuesday may significantly cut NOAA funding
I urge all of you who value the services provided by the National Weather Service and their parent organization, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), to contact your two Senators and ask them to vote against the Senator Hutchison (R-TX) Amendment #2666 to the Commerce State Justice Appropriations Act for 2010 H.R. 2847. This amendment will be voted on this Tuesday, October 13, by the Senate, and would cut the NOAA budget by $172 million. The funds would be diverted to the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program, to increase its budget by 75%. While I'm sure the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program is a worthy program to support, Congress should find a different way to fund this program. NOAA's total budget is about $4 billion, and the National Weather Service Budget is a little less than $1 billion. The only place where NOAA has the flexibility to absorb the proposed cuts would be in the satellite program. With the QuickSCAT satellite likely to fail in the next few months, and the Tropical Rainfall Measurement Mission (TRMM) satellite also nearing its demise, the last thing we should be doing is cutting NOAA's budget in time when our capability to observe the weather from space is suffering from serious degradation.

Here's the language of the bill, and the proposed amendments:

SA 2666. Mrs. HUTCHISON (for herself, Mr. CORNYN, Mr. KYL, and Mr. MCCAIN) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by her to the bill H.R. 2847, making appropriations for the Departments of Commerce and Justice, and Science, and Related Agencies for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2010, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 170, between lines 19 and 20, insert the following:

SEC. 220. INCREASE IN STATE CRIMINAL ALIEN ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FUNDING.

(a) In General.--For an additional amount under the heading ``STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ASSISTANCE'' under the heading ``Office of Justice Programs'' under this title, there is appropriated, for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2010, $172,000,000 for the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program, as authorized by section 241(i)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1231(i)(5)).

(b) Offset.--The total amount appropriated under the heading ``OPERATIONS, RESEARCH, AND FACILITIES'' under the heading ``National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration'' under title I is reduced by $172,000,000.

The National Weather Service Employees Organization has put out a press release with more details.

Quiet in the Atlantic
A tropical wave (92L) that is moving along the northern coast of South America has only a very limited amount of heavy thunderstorms, thanks to interaction with land. There are no threat areas in the Atlantic to discuss, and none of the computer models are calling for tropical storm formation over the next seven days.

Please, Contact your Senators to oppose the proposed NOAA funding cut, and to argue for funding for a new QuikSCAT satellite.

I'll have a new post on Monday.

Jeff Masters

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847. portcharlotte
1:45 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Heres JB this a.m.


MONDAY 7 AM
YAH, BUT I DON'T LIKE IT - 1983 NCAA heavyweight champ Lou Banach to Dan Gable after he beat NC state FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY pound heavyweight Tab Thacker in the semifinals of the nationals.

I have only seen Dan Gable "coach" a wrestler to keep it close twice, and this was one of them. Banach, who I got to know when he was an assistant coach at PSU (the guys that had to wrestle him would have a day off the day of the meet compared to tangling with him) and was 215 lb machine... less than half the weight of the NC state giant. Gable wanted Lou to wrestle a much more controlled match rather than the terminator search and destroy heavyweight he was... The strategy of course was to avoid getting caught underneath. Lou won, and as Gable was congratulating him, his were, "yah, but I don't like it (the conditions for his victory)."

Well I see the Phils won last night... I didnt stay up for it, but I dont like it. I think it was absurd to play a baseball game with temps in the 20s. Its in the 20s for both teams,fine, but if you put two swimmers in a pool to race and their happens to be hungry sharks in it, does that make it "fair" to both swimmers.

So yes, but I dont like it.

By the way. with Cael Sanderson, 159-0 and a gold medalist in the Olympics, and Lou a gold medalist also. I cant help but wondering who would have won that match in their prime.

We have some real weather to wrestle with this week. The arctic agenda is pressing its cause across the north and the ideas expressed yesterday still hold sway. The threat of a major early season snow event from the central plains to the interior northeast is on the table. A no school Friday watch is now in effect... change that to a warning, for some reason, my kids dont have school Friday... Its amazing how that works, out of the clear blue sky there is no school ( a workshop or something) In this case, it may be indefinite ceiling 300 sky obscured.

I do have to thank Major league baseball for this... It is not officially the coldest game every played ( actual air temperature was in the 20s) So in this day of global warming, we have yet another cold benchmark to look at.

Baseball is a victim, of how do they say it now... oh yah, climate change.

By the way. wait till you see the post I am going to unleash later this week on how this winter could cost alot of people their seats in the next election.... I have it ready, I am just wondering if I should push the post button after I cut and paste..... I think I will wait for Friday when our winter idea is out in public ( hint it hasnt changed much from July, and since I have figured out what happened in 51-52 i will discuss more the variances available this winter rather than any big change... so you know the nuts and bolts) Besides, Friday happy hour will mellow some people out so when I play the linkage card, they dont get so upset.

Okay I will give you a hint.... South carolina has a senator that seems to want to vote for cap and trade... bad place to do it in given this winters look. People in Massachusetts are more apt to put up with their winters, but in S carolina a couple of snows and a cold winter, and they are not going to want to hear it. Again, its for later.

I have given up on California.. no matter what the weather... it doesnt matter..

Notes and asides: We have homecoming this week which means the average age of drunks roaming the streets here on a football weekend is up a few years. It really is amazing to see the college population in action here, after all we are the number one party school in the nation ( how about that). In any case a classic exchange took place at the PSU post game press conference with a reporter and Joe Paterno: Reporter: Coach, can you give us your feelings about homecoming Joepa: Why, is it homecoming soon ( laughter in the background) Reporter: Yes it is, next week Joepa: Well all I was looking at was Minnesota for next week, what was today, Going away day.

I love the guy.. All he cares about is football and he is sharper than I have ever heard him.

But I have a feeling about homecoming. The drunks better have hot cider and spiked chocolate ready.

Heh I just thought of something... it might snow for the homecoming parade here... another climate change first!

Double note and aside. I am resisting the irony of the Al Gore Appearance in Wisconsin this weekend ( and his failure to confront a direct question about the inconsitancies in his movie) and how darn cold it was in Madison. One can only wonder if this streak of hints from mother nature can continue all the way into Copenhagen ( or is it Skoal).. that would be something.

He should just get out and debate Chris Monckton and we can clear it all up... I think Chris is number one in line

I mean how many times can these high profile events be met with temps well below normal.

By the way, I point these things out because I want to make sure readers are aware the weather is no more extreme, no different within ITS NATURAL VARIANCE than it ever has been. So that is why these pot shots come and references, and hopefully, the age of vodoo model worship with come to an end over the next 10-20 years and we will all have our answer. Until then, you got to admit, a situation like this in Wisconsin with the most visible spokesman revealed two things 1) It tends to be colder than normal at sights when he shows up and 2) Ge refuses to confront direct questions on the inconsistencies in the movie that won an academy award, and a Nobel prize. I have no direct feeling on the Nobel prise that was just handed to the president, for while I understand the chagrin there of many, I see what the idea behind it was. However the Nobel prize that was awarded for the whole climate change issue to me is far more of a prostitution of that prize, unless of course it is now different from what it is supposed to be. And the weather will be the ultimate judge of that, if freedom is allowed to prevail.

So let me clear, this is non comment on Pres Obama's, but it is a comment on the nobel awarded for the weather related issue.



brrrr for now *****


No dis-respect but I pay for accuweather pro to get Batardi's blog etc. That blog and data are not free to the public unless you pay. If you want to post his blog on this forum everyday then do it and I'll cancel my subscription. That will save me some $$. Post it and take your chances. I have no affiliation with Accuweather but I do have a friend who posted some paid for forecasts and they caught up with him. I hope you understand my pint of view.
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845. PensacolaDoug
1:07 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
Heres JB this a.m.


MONDAY 7 AM
YAH, BUT I DON'T LIKE IT - 1983 NCAA heavyweight champ Lou Banach to Dan Gable after he beat NC state FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY pound heavyweight Tab Thacker in the semifinals of the nationals.

I have only seen Dan Gable "coach" a wrestler to keep it close twice, and this was one of them. Banach, who I got to know when he was an assistant coach at PSU (the guys that had to wrestle him would have a day off the day of the meet compared to tangling with him) and was 215 lb machine... less than half the weight of the NC state giant. Gable wanted Lou to wrestle a much more controlled match rather than the terminator search and destroy heavyweight he was... The strategy of course was to avoid getting caught underneath. Lou won, and as Gable was congratulating him, his were, "yah, but I don't like it (the conditions for his victory)."

Well I see the Phils won last night... I didnt stay up for it, but I dont like it. I think it was absurd to play a baseball game with temps in the 20s. Its in the 20s for both teams,fine, but if you put two swimmers in a pool to race and their happens to be hungry sharks in it, does that make it "fair" to both swimmers.

So yes, but I dont like it.

By the way. with Cael Sanderson, 159-0 and a gold medalist in the Olympics, and Lou a gold medalist also. I cant help but wondering who would have won that match in their prime.

We have some real weather to wrestle with this week. The arctic agenda is pressing its cause across the north and the ideas expressed yesterday still hold sway. The threat of a major early season snow event from the central plains to the interior northeast is on the table. A no school Friday watch is now in effect... change that to a warning, for some reason, my kids dont have school Friday... Its amazing how that works, out of the clear blue sky there is no school ( a workshop or something) In this case, it may be indefinite ceiling 300 sky obscured.

I do have to thank Major league baseball for this... It is not officially the coldest game every played ( actual air temperature was in the 20s) So in this day of global warming, we have yet another cold benchmark to look at.

Baseball is a victim, of how do they say it now... oh yah, climate change.

By the way. wait till you see the post I am going to unleash later this week on how this winter could cost alot of people their seats in the next election.... I have it ready, I am just wondering if I should push the post button after I cut and paste..... I think I will wait for Friday when our winter idea is out in public ( hint it hasnt changed much from July, and since I have figured out what happened in 51-52 i will discuss more the variances available this winter rather than any big change... so you know the nuts and bolts) Besides, Friday happy hour will mellow some people out so when I play the linkage card, they dont get so upset.

Okay I will give you a hint.... South carolina has a senator that seems to want to vote for cap and trade... bad place to do it in given this winters look. People in Massachusetts are more apt to put up with their winters, but in S carolina a couple of snows and a cold winter, and they are not going to want to hear it. Again, its for later.

I have given up on California.. no matter what the weather... it doesnt matter..

Notes and asides: We have homecoming this week which means the average age of drunks roaming the streets here on a football weekend is up a few years. It really is amazing to see the college population in action here, after all we are the number one party school in the nation ( how about that). In any case a classic exchange took place at the PSU post game press conference with a reporter and Joe Paterno: Reporter: Coach, can you give us your feelings about homecoming Joepa: Why, is it homecoming soon ( laughter in the background) Reporter: Yes it is, next week Joepa: Well all I was looking at was Minnesota for next week, what was today, Going away day.

I love the guy.. All he cares about is football and he is sharper than I have ever heard him.

But I have a feeling about homecoming. The drunks better have hot cider and spiked chocolate ready.

Heh I just thought of something... it might snow for the homecoming parade here... another climate change first!

Double note and aside. I am resisting the irony of the Al Gore Appearance in Wisconsin this weekend ( and his failure to confront a direct question about the inconsitancies in his movie) and how darn cold it was in Madison. One can only wonder if this streak of hints from mother nature can continue all the way into Copenhagen ( or is it Skoal).. that would be something.

He should just get out and debate Chris Monckton and we can clear it all up... I think Chris is number one in line

I mean how many times can these high profile events be met with temps well below normal.

By the way, I point these things out because I want to make sure readers are aware the weather is no more extreme, no different within ITS NATURAL VARIANCE than it ever has been. So that is why these pot shots come and references, and hopefully, the age of vodoo model worship with come to an end over the next 10-20 years and we will all have our answer. Until then, you got to admit, a situation like this in Wisconsin with the most visible spokesman revealed two things 1) It tends to be colder than normal at sights when he shows up and 2) Ge refuses to confront direct questions on the inconsistencies in the movie that won an academy award, and a Nobel prize. I have no direct feeling on the Nobel prise that was just handed to the president, for while I understand the chagrin there of many, I see what the idea behind it was. However the Nobel prize that was awarded for the whole climate change issue to me is far more of a prostitution of that prize, unless of course it is now different from what it is supposed to be. And the weather will be the ultimate judge of that, if freedom is allowed to prevail.

So let me clear, this is non comment on Pres Obama's, but it is a comment on the nobel awarded for the weather related issue.



brrrr for now *****
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844. mikatnight
1:04 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting pearlandaggie:
837. nope, he's always been a bit wobbly on that subject....

by the way, the first time i saw your screen name i thought it was miLkatnight...i wondered what a reptile had to do with milk...LOL :0


I've had that handle since my first email account. My name's Mike, I was trying to make a play on Nickleodian's "Nick at Night". Probably a bad choice as almost no one ever gets it, and I get called everything from Mic to mica...
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843. pearlandaggie
1:03 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
841. I have no idea. It seems that LG'nesty goes with what he thinks is most popular, not what's necessarily best for the country.
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842. nrtiwlnvragn
1:02 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
New Blog
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841. mikatnight
12:57 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
post removed by me

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840. gaweatherboi
12:57 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting 954FtLCane:


Good morning all, kids in school down here (Broward county FL) also......just a banking and gov't holiday.


Kids here are off for the whole week (Millen Georgia)
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839. pearlandaggie
12:52 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
837. nope, he's always been a bit wobbly on that subject....

by the way, the first time i saw your screen name i thought it was miLkatnight...i wondered what a reptile had to do with milk...LOL :0
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838. BahaHurican
12:51 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting IKE:


I should correct myself...everything not closed. Government is closed.
Here everything is closed - full day off. Usually considered the last "official" beach day for locals - after that it's too cold in the water for most of us.... lol

That's why I'm still around instead of at work.
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837. mikatnight
12:51 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
Uh, I dunno. I thought Sen. Graham was among the ney sayers on CC. As far as my general opinion of him, sometimes I like what he says, other times, not so much...
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836. 954FtLCane
12:48 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting PensacolaDoug:



My kid has school today. I think.


Good morning all, kids in school down here (Broward county FL) also......just a banking and gov't holiday.
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835. pearlandaggie
12:47 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
834. why would that be surprising? it's Lindsey Grahamnesty :)
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834. mikatnight
12:44 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
If Ike's still around he'll undoubtedly groan, but I found this rather surprising article on Fox News yesterday:

Graham Backs Push for Climate Change Legislation
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., co-authors an op-ed with Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., in The New York Times calling for action on climate change legislation.

FOXNews.com
Sunday, October 11, 2009
A top Senate Republican on Sunday announced his support for sweeping climate change legislation, disputing the "conventional wisdom" that says Congress simply cannot tackle the issue this year.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., co-authored an op-ed with Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., in The New York Times calling for action on legislation.

Kerry rolled out a Senate climate change bill alongside Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., late last month. A Graham aide said Sunday that the South Carolina Republican was not explicitly endorsing that bill, but stands ready to work with Kerry toward some version of legislation to combat global warming.

(1st 3 paragraphs; for rest of story, click on link above).
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833. IKE
12:40 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
What drought?


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832. mikatnight
12:36 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
Good morning. Haven't been on for a couple of weeks...work got busier and I got to reading Doris Goodwin's "Team of Rivals". Good book.
Looks like we're finally going to get some relief. NWS forecast for Lantana:

Friday: A 30 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 88. Southwest wind around 10 mph.

Friday Night: A 30 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 73.

Saturday: A 30 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 84.

Saturday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 68.

Sunday: Sunny, with a high near 82.

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831. Boca
12:28 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
Re QuickScat: If it helps so much of the world and shipping why don't they contribute some $$ to a new one?

Maybe they do already but I can't find that info.



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830. msphar
12:00 PM GMT on October 12, 2009
MDR looks beautiful this morning, like sailing weather...
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829. SevereHurricane
11:54 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting IKE:
That may have been the last snow event we've had here....16 years ago.


I know how you feel Ike, Before it snowed in 2004 in New Orleans it we hadn't had 1 measurable snow for over 15 years(1989). Don't worry Ike it will eventually snow there again.
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828. IKE
11:51 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
That may have been the last snow event we've had here....16 years ago.
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827. PensacolaDoug
11:46 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
We had a little mini-blizzard here for about and hour or so. But it was melting as it landed. Wind was blowing 30 and gusting to 50 or so and heavy snow.. It was about 2 am or so when it changed over to snow. So not many too many people even noticed it as it was mostly gone by sunup.
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826. IKE
11:45 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Were you there for the March 93 Storm?


We had a few inches of snow off of it.
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825. IKE
11:40 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting SevereHurricane:


I'm so ready for it. I am sick if this Hot and Humid Weather in New Orleans. If the models are correct the Northern Gulf Coast should easily fall into the 50's both Friday and Saturday Night.


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824. IKE
11:38 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Were you there for the March 93 Storm?


Yes.
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823. SevereHurricane
11:38 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
The 00Z Euro indicates that a large trough will dig into the East-Central US later this week causing a strong cold front to penetrate all the way into the Gulf of Mexico Friday allowing lots of Cool and Dry air to advect into the deep south for the weekend


Sounds Great! Bring it on!


I'm so ready for it. I am sick of this Hot and Humid Weather in New Orleans. If the models are correct the Northern Gulf Coast should easily fall into the 50's both Friday and Saturday Night.
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822. PensacolaDoug
11:37 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Were you there for the March 93 Storm?
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821. IKE
11:35 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Where are you. Defuniak?


Yes.

"""Friday Night
Cooler. Partly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of light rain. Lows around 49.

Saturday
Mostly sunny. Highs around 70.

Saturday Night
Clear. Lows around 47."""............


I'll be burning leaves soon. Suppose to be windy behind the front...
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820. PensacolaDoug
11:33 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
The 00Z Euro indicates that a large trough will dig into the East-Central US later this week causing a strong cold front to penetrate all the way into the Gulf of Mexico Friday allowing lots of Cool and Dry air to advect into the deep south for the weekend


Sounds Great! Bring it on!
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819. PensacolaDoug
11:32 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Where are you. Defuniak?
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818. SevereHurricane
11:30 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
The 00Z Euro indicates that a large trough will dig into the East-Central US later this week causing a strong cold front to penetrate all the way into the Gulf of Mexico Friday allowing lots of Cool and Dry air to advect into the deep south for the weekend.

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817. IKE
11:28 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting PensacolaDoug:



My kid has school today. I think.


I should correct myself...everything not closed. Government is closed.
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816. PensacolaDoug
11:26 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting BahaHurican:
Hmmm... didn't realize pple in the US got this day off as a holiday... just thought it was "observed"...



My kid has school today. I think.
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815. IKE
11:26 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting BahaHurican:
Hmmm... didn't realize pple in the US got this day off as a holiday... just thought it was "observed"...


Nah...everything closed. Another Government holiday. They may cut back to 4 day mail delivery soon anyway.
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814. IKE
11:24 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
JB's Current

SUNDAY 10 PM

BAD CALL.

30 IN Denver at game time, and they are playing. That is absurd. its baseball, no matter who wins its demeaning the game and how it should be played. Its not the early part of the season and meaningless games, this is for all the marbles now and teams should be given the best chance to play in weather where they can showcase the skills that got them there.

This is only my opinion and does not reflect the opinion of people I work with, many who are Phillie fanatics as I am. But being old (54) and having grown up loving baseball, I feel that playing games in weather this cold when so much is on the line is absurd

In my opinion its worse than the call on the foul in the Yankees Twins game the other night. at least that was not premeditated.

Its not the world I grew up in. Storms get named that wouldnt have and I dont think if it were 30 in NYC this game would be getting played this year.... and certainly not when I was a kid.

Temps tomorrow will be in the 50s in Denver, near 60 Tuesday. Given that knowledge, playing tonight to me is wrong

ciao for now *****


I guess the tropics are slow....Joe? he-he.

MLB season is too long. 162 games. It should be cut back to about 125-130. Then have the best 4 out of 7 in the first round of the playoffs and not a 3 of 5 series after playing 162 games?

Plus it's unfair that there's no salary cap. Yankees buy the best players and win every decade.

Get ready for cold weather at Yankee stadium. NY and Anaheim start Friday IN the bronx....

Friday
Cloudy. Rain likely...mainly in the morning. Breezy with highs in the upper 40s. Chance of rain 60 percent.
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813. PensacolaDoug
11:24 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
He's like the Glen Beck of weather.
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812. PensacolaDoug
11:23 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
He likes to rant. This time baseball.
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811. BahaHurican
11:21 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting IKE:


Have a nice Monday....isn't today a holiday....Columbus Day....no mail...banks closed...that check I gave Wal-Mart over the weekend can't bounce today.
Hmmm... didn't realize pple in the US got this day off as a holiday... just thought it was "observed"...
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810. IKE
11:17 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
aint looked..


Looks like another quiet week....7 left.


Quoting BahaHurican:
ATLANTIC OCEAN...
A STATIONARY FRONT ENTERS THE REGION NEAR 32N76W CONTINUING
ACROSS NE FLORIDA NEAR DAYTONA BEACH CONTINUING AS A WARM FRONT
INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO. BROAD UPPER RIDGE DOMINATES THE ATLC W
OF 40W ANCHORED NEAR 26N61W WHICH HAS STALLED THE EASTERLY
MOVEMENT OF THE FRONT IN THE REGION. A SURFACE HIGH RIDGE COVERS
THE W ATLC N OF 23N W OF 50W TO OVER THE FLORIDA PENINSULA
ANCHORED BY A 1021 MB HIGH NEAR 29N68W. A SURFACE TROUGH...
REMNANTS OF HENRI...IS THE FAR SW ATLC EXTENDING FROM THE TURKS
AND CAICOS NEAR 22N73W ACROSS THE E TIP OF CUBA INTO THE
CARIBBEAN.

Looks like the moisture near Jamaica is coming from the Twave. TAFB has ex-Henri analysed in the SE Bahamas, much further north...


Looks like he went into hiding.
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809. PensacolaDoug
11:16 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
JB's Current

SUNDAY 10 PM

BAD CALL.

30 IN Denver at game time, and they are playing. That is absurd. its baseball, no matter who wins its demeaning the game and how it should be played. Its not the early part of the season and meaningless games, this is for all the marbles now and teams should be given the best chance to play in weather where they can showcase the skills that got them there.

This is only my opinion and does not reflect the opinion of people I work with, many who are Phillie fanatics as I am. But being old (54) and having grown up loving baseball, I feel that playing games in weather this cold when so much is on the line is absurd

In my opinion its worse than the call on the foul in the Yankees Twins game the other night. at least that was not premeditated.

Its not the world I grew up in. Storms get named that wouldnt have and I dont think if it were 30 in NYC this game would be getting played this year.... and certainly not when I was a kid.

Temps tomorrow will be in the 50s in Denver, near 60 Tuesday. Given that knowledge, playing tonight to me is wrong

ciao for now *****
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808. PensacolaDoug
11:14 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
aint looked..
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807. IKE
11:12 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
morn Ike.


Good morning.

Bastardi have anything to talk about tropically?
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806. PensacolaDoug
11:09 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
morn Ike.
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805. IKE
11:06 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting aquak9:
Ike are ya teasing me?

cooler weather AND rain?

That's no way to trick someone on a monday morning!

I'll believe the WRF come thursday...maybe...

Ya'll have a good monday!


Have a nice Monday....isn't today a holiday....Columbus Day....no mail...banks closed...that check I gave Wal-Mart over the weekend can't bounce today.
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804. BahaHurican
11:06 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
ATLANTIC OCEAN...
A STATIONARY FRONT ENTERS THE REGION NEAR 32N76W CONTINUING
ACROSS NE FLORIDA NEAR DAYTONA BEACH CONTINUING AS A WARM FRONT
INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO. BROAD UPPER RIDGE DOMINATES THE ATLC W
OF 40W ANCHORED NEAR 26N61W WHICH HAS STALLED THE EASTERLY
MOVEMENT OF THE FRONT IN THE REGION. A SURFACE HIGH RIDGE COVERS
THE W ATLC N OF 23N W OF 50W TO OVER THE FLORIDA PENINSULA
ANCHORED BY A 1021 MB HIGH NEAR 29N68W. A SURFACE TROUGH...
REMNANTS OF HENRI...IS THE FAR SW ATLC EXTENDING FROM THE TURKS
AND CAICOS NEAR 22N73W ACROSS THE E TIP OF CUBA INTO THE
CARIBBEAN.

Looks like the moisture near Jamaica is coming from the Twave. TAFB has ex-Henri analysed in the SE Bahamas, much further north...
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803. aquak9
10:58 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Ike are ya teasing me?

cooler weather AND rain?

That's no way to trick someone on a monday morning!

I'll believe the WRF come thursday...maybe...

Ya'll have a good monday!
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802. IKE
10:56 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting aquak9:
guess I'll believe it when the the asphalt hardens back up.


LOL...It's gonna happen. All of the models show it...

6Z GFS at 120 hours...Saturday morning...front is into central-Florida...

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801. aquak9
10:51 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
guess I'll believe it when the the asphalt hardens back up.
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799. Cavin Rawlins
10:40 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting KoritheMan:


To this day, I am still puzzled as to why Juan wasn't retired.


Its was eventually but in 2003.
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798. BahaHurican
10:39 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Quoting aquak9:
g'morning Ike, was just thinking of you. You said yesterday, "yes it will get cooler in NE florida"

our local NWS has been SO WRONG with the predicted temps. Last three days, they were too low by at least 3-5 degrees. Even today they are saying a high of 86 but it's ALREADY 81!!

still hoping here for someone to turn off the oven.
It was like that here all week also. We usually still get the daytime highs in OCT, but normally we start to cool off at night. Average low this week has been 80 degrees.... sheesh.

Maybe Ike is right on the cool-off for u guys. Unfortunately, doesn't look like it will reach very far south....
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797. AllStar17
10:35 AM GMT on October 12, 2009
Henri remnants flaring up near Jamaica.

TROPICAL STORM PATRICIA Storm Track:
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