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Surprise tropical storm forms near the Azores; Invest 91L has potential to develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:19 PM GMT on October 05, 2009 +2
Surprise! A 70-mph tropical storm popped up seemingly out of nowhere early this morning, in a region of the Atlantic not ordinarily prone to tropical storm formation. Tropical Storm Grace formed at 41.2° north latitude, in a remote ocean area near the Azores Islands. This is the farthest northeast an Atlantic tropical storm has ever formed since satellite observations began in the 1960s. Since 1960, only one tropical storm has formed farther north--Tropical Storm Alberto of 1988, which formed at 41.5°N, off the coast of Cape Cod, Massachusetts. Satellite imagery revealed that Grace formed an eyewall and well-defined eye this morning, though the storm's tropical storm-force winds did not extend out very far from the center. Last night, the center of Grace passed about 20 miles west of Ponta Delgada in the eastern Azores, which recorded sustained winds of 31 mph, gusting to 44 mph. Grace formed over chilly waters of about 23°C, well below the usual threshold of 26°C required for tropical storm formation. Grace's formation was aided by some very cold temperatures in the upper atmosphere (-54°C at 200 mb), which made the atmosphere more unstable than usual. The storm won't be around much longer, as Grace is already over much colder waters of 21°C, and is headed towards even colder waters.


Figure 1. The storm that would later become Tropical Storm Grace passes through the Azores Islands at 14:20 UTC 10/04/09. Image credit: NOAA/CIRA.

Invest 91
A large tropical wave near 12N 46W, about 1000 miles east of the Lesser Antilles Islands, is generating a considerable amount of heavy thunderstorm activity as it moves west-northwest at 15 mph. The wave is under low wind shear, 5 - 10 knots, and is over warm waters, 29°C, which is 3°C above the threshold typically needed to allow tropical storm formation. Last night's QuikSCAT pass showed a large and disorganized region of converging winds in the region, with top winds of 25 mph. There is very little dry air in the vicinity, and conditions appear favorable for some slow development of this wave. The wave is poorly organized at present, with no signs of a surface circulation visible on satellite imagery. None of the computer models develop the wave, but they do show relatively low wind shear along the wave's path for the next five days. The wave should continue to track west-northwest over the next 2 - 3 days, and spread heavy rain showers over the northern Lesser Antilles Islands by Wednesday. By Thursday, the trough of low pressure that is pulling 91L to the north should bypass the storm, allowing a high pressure ridge to build in and force 91L due west. NHC is giving 91L a low (less than 30% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Wednesday.


Figure 2. latest images of Invest 91L.

Pacific typhoons
In the Philippines, the cleanup continues from Tropical Storm Parma, which hit northern Luzon Island Saturday as a Category 1 typhoon. Parma continues to linger offshore the northern tip of the Philippines' Luzon Island, but its heavy rain is now offshore the Philippines. The storm has been blamed for the deaths of 16 people in the Philippines, but did not have the devastating impact that was earlier feared. Storm chaser James Reynolds took some dangerous looking video of Parma in the Philippines.

Super Typhoon Melor became the second Category 5 tropical cyclone of the year over the weekend, but has weakened slightly to a Category 4 super typhoon with 155 mph winds. Melor is expected to recurve to the northeast and pass within 200 miles of Tokyo, Japan, on Wednesday night or Thursday morning.

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51. PensacolaDoug 3:10 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Apparently the Weather Channel doesn't think too much of it either.
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52. divdog 3:12 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Apparently the Weather Channel doesn't think too much of it either.
Please dont quote that place . They belong in the worthless category too.
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55. cchsweatherman 3:13 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Morning JFV.....hell i'm afraid to post anything on this dam blog......LOL


Don't let people on here affect you. Just so you know, I respect that you stick to your guns and speak your mind. You have become a very knowledgeable person when it comes to weather. People attack us only because they don't agree with our opinions, and in some cases, they maybe envious.
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56. Patrap 3:13 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
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57. BurnedAfterPosting 3:15 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


I see who is whinnig......geesh put a pacifier in you mouth please. I think i'm allowed to ask real honest questions....without being attacked......Heck they name this system and don't name the system that went into the NE...OK!
And PAB i certainly don't need you to tell me what to post and what not to post...I guess your the pro authority in Dr. Masters Blog.


Im not whining lol, TWC is lol

anyway we have 91L which based on Pats loop is trying to get a spin going
58. nrtiwlnvragn 3:16 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
OFFSHORE WATERS FORECAST FOR THE SW AND TROPICAL N ATLANTIC AND
CARIBBEAN SEA


AMZ089-052130-
SYNOPSIS FOR CARIBBEAN SEA AND TROPICAL N ATLC FROM 07N TO 22N
BETWEEN 55W AND 65W
1130 AM EDT MON OCT 05 2009

.SYNOPSIS...A TROPICAL WAVE ALONG 83W WILL MOVE W TO ALONG 86W
TONIGHT AND THROUGH THE GULF OF HONDURAS BY TUE. A TROUGH ALONG
66W N OF 16N WILL DISSIPATE SOUTH OF HISPANIOLA TUE. A TROPICAL
WAVE ALONG 58W WILL ENTER THE E CARIBBEAN TONIGHT AND PASS
THROUGH THE CENTRAL CARIBBEAN TUE AND WED AND W CARIBBEAN THU
AND FRI. A THIRD TROPICAL ALONG 46W WILL REACH ALONG 55W TUE
WITH THE SOUTHERN SEGMENT MOVING THROUGH THE CARIBBEAN WED
THROUGH FRI WHILE THE N SEGMENT OF THE WAVE MOVES NW AS A TROUGH
WITH EMBEDDED LOW PRES THROUGH TROPICAL ATLC FORECAST AREA. LOW
IS NEAR 16N57W TUE...19N59W WED...20N63W THU AND MOVES NW OUT OF
AREA FRI.


AMZ088-052130-
SYNOPSIS FOR THE SW N ATLC INCLUDING THE BAHAMAS
1130 AM EDT MON OCT 05 2009

.SYNOPSIS...TROUGH ALONG 67W S OF 22N WILL PASS E THROUGH
HISPANIOLA AND BECOME DIFFUSE ON WED. SOUTHERLY WINDS N OF THE
RIDGE ALONG 27N WILL INCREASE TUE IN ADVANCE OF A SLOW MOVING
COLD FRONT PASSING OFFSHORE GEORGIA COAST BY WED MORNING. THE
FRONT STRENGTHENS WED AND REACHES FROM BERMUDA TO 29N81W THU
MORNING AND BECOMES DIFFUSE FRI MORNING FROM 27N65W TO 26N71W.
LOW PRES TROUGH WITH EMBEDDED 1012 MB LOW MOVES INTO SE WATERS
NEAR 21N66W FRI.
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59. TampaSpin 3:16 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting cchsweatherman:


Don't let people on here affect you. Just so you know, I respect that you stick to your guns and speak your mind. People attack us only because they don't agree with our opinions, and in some cases, they maybe envious.



LOL.....just shaking head!
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60. PensacolaDoug 3:16 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
It seems to me that there is very little consistancy in the designation of systems from the NHC.
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61. JamesSA 3:17 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Melor is looking a little ragged in the last couple of frames...
GUAM IR LOOP
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62. Murko 3:18 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
I see Stormno/t/top/kat, or whatever, is keeping a low profile this morning.
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63. BurnedAfterPosting 3:18 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
It seems to me that there is very little consistancy in the designation of systems from the NHC.


I agree they have been inconsistent this season; we have had many borderline systems this year. To me 90L and 92L deserved a name and yes so did Danny and Erika, I dont buy 98L ever being named and I am on the fence about the NJ low.
64. tropics21 3:18 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
They Probably read the Blog and named the Squall Grace because of all the negative comments about them on the Blog
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66. Patrap 3:19 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
67. BurnedAfterPosting 3:20 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


You focus on Grace....she is one beast. That's where your focus needs to stay....We don't need you wondering out of your thought pattern! That could get very dangerous on here....LOL


Wow that was clearly uncalled for, hope everyone flags your post
68. Patrap 3:20 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
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69. Cotillion 3:21 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
To play the other side...

When you look at history, take Faith... yes it was the 1960s so we cannot be entirely sure, but that didn't lose tropical characteristics until just before or over the Faeroe Islands.

For those that are unsure of European geography, that's even further north of Scotland. This hasn't reached even the same latitude as the Cornish coast.

In other days, this may not have been named, yes. There is a lot of uncertainty of why this was called, I don't dispute. Perhaps other things should of been. But if this was named just by the coast of Maine, let's say - would it get the same derision? If it doesn't get absorbed by the front for whatever reason, and hits something, would it then be a good call?

This is rare, but not without historical parallel.

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70. PensacolaDoug 3:21 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
I'm out. Dolphins 1-3 things are lookin up.
BBL
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71. 1900hurricane 3:21 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting JamesSA:
Melor is looking a little ragged in the last couple of frames...
GUAM IR LOOP

Eyewall Replacement Cycle:



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72. divdog 3:21 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


You focus on Grace....she is one beast. That's where your focus needs to stay....We don't need you wondering out of your thought pattern! That could get very dangerous on here....LOL
You seem to be the one wasting time focusing on Grace.
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73. BurnedAfterPosting 3:21 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting Cotillion:
To play the other side...

When you look at history, take Faith... yes it was the 1960s so we cannot be entirely sure, but that didn't lose tropical characteristics until just before or over the Faeroe Islands.

For those that are unsure of European geography, that's even further north of Scotland. This hasn't reached even the same latitude as the Cornish coast.

In other days, this may not have been named, yes. There is a lot of uncertainty of why this was called, I don't dispute. Perhaps other things should of been. But if this was named just by the coast of Maine, let's say - would it get the same derision? If it doesn't get absorbed by the front for whatever reason, and hits something, would it then be a good call?

This is rare, but not without historical parallel.




Well said
74. cchsweatherman 3:22 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting JamesSA:
Melor is looking a little ragged in the last couple of frames...
GUAM IR LOOP


Been noticing that throughout the morning. Not looking as symmetrical as it had been the past few days. Possibly starting to encounter somewhat cooler waters and some wind shear from the southwest in advance of the strong trough coming off China and over Japan. We've probably seen the strongest Melor will ever get. More than likely will begin gradual weakening in the coming days before becoming absorbed in the storm track coming across Japan.
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75. BurnedAfterPosting 3:23 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
14N 46W, nice cyclonic turning there
76. BurnedAfterPosting 3:24 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
anyway bbl
77. cchsweatherman 3:28 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
I will have analysis on Invest 91L later on, most likely in the late afternoon.
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78. JamesSA 3:31 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
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79. NEwxguy 3:38 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
To name or not to name,that is the question,
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous naming
Or to take arms against a sea of invests,
And by opposing end them?
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80. timtrice 3:42 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
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81. Snowfire 3:44 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Grace's small size, rapid formation and decay are almost more reminiscent of a polar low than of a truly tropical system. Perhaps air/water temperature differences are a significant contributing factor here.
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82. jeffs713 3:49 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting Snowfire:
Grace's small size, rapid formation and decay are almost more reminiscent of a polar low than of a truly tropical system. Perhaps air/water temperature differences are a significant contributing factor here.

I think you are right, but at the end of the day, Grace did meet the criteria for naming, so at the very least the NHC is being consistent for sticking to the criteria when deciding if something should be named.
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83. timtrice 3:52 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting Cotillion:
To play the other side...

When you look at history, take Faith... yes it was the 1960s so we cannot be entirely sure, but that didn't lose tropical characteristics until just before or over the Faeroe Islands.

For those that are unsure of European geography, that's even further north of Scotland. This hasn't reached even the same latitude as the Cornish coast.

In other days, this may not have been named, yes. There is a lot of uncertainty of why this was called, I don't dispute. Perhaps other things should of been. But if this was named just by the coast of Maine, let's say - would it get the same derision? If it doesn't get absorbed by the front for whatever reason, and hits something, would it then be a good call?

This is rare, but not without historical parallel.



If I may, I did a write-up a while back on unusual storms including Catarina and Faith. For thsoe interested:

Interesting facts and oddities about tropical cyclones you may have never heard
84. Bordonaro 3:53 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting JamesSA:

Thanks Dr. M and good day fellow bloggers. Peace and blessing to all!

All I have to say is, "Japan, get ready for a strong TY Melor to strike the Japanese Mainland NOW! It's Monday and Thursday's just around the corner".

TS Grace, well, it's small, it's cute and little threat to anyone. Besides that, NO COMMENT.

Invest 91L, hopefully it does NOT follow the model track through the W Caribbean, GOM, across Florida and up the Eastern Seaboard. Personally, I have a bad feeling about this system, and God, I hope I am wrong!
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85. tornadodude 3:55 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
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86. TheFutureMet 3:56 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
WHERE IS TORNADODUDE WHEN WE NEED HIM ???
87. TheCaneWhisperer 3:57 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Taken from the great Dr. Masters

You should worry when all the models develop a storm and you should also worry if none of them do.

91L is looking rather stormish this afternoon
88. tornadodude 3:58 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting TheFutureMet:
WHERE IS TORNADODUDE WHEN WE NEED HIM ???


haha what is the issue?
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89. atmoaggie 4:03 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting TheFutureMet:
WHERE IS TORNADODUDE WHEN WE NEED HIM ???

Busy figuring out GEMPAK and Unidata LDM...
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90. tornadodude 4:04 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

Busy figuring out GEMPAK and Unidata LDM...


not yet, but I'm pretty excited to start this, dont you think it will look good on a resume?
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91. atmoaggie 4:06 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting tornadodude:


not yet, but I'm pretty excited to start this, dont you think it will look good on a resume?

Very much so. And, all of those in-department part time jobs are terrific stepping stones to internships provided that the prof you would be reporting to is willing to write a letter of recommendation next year or the year after.
Maximize the opportunity...
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92. tornadodude 4:10 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

Very much so. And, all of those in-department part time jobs are terrific stepping stones to internships provided that the prof you would be reporting to is willing to write a letter of recommendation next year or the year after.
Maximize the opportunity...


well as much as he has been willing to help me with this, I'm sure he will be willing to write a letter of recommendation, as long as I earn it
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93. homelesswanderer 4:10 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
I don't know much about the upper level conditions in 91L's path or if it will develop other than the low mentioned before. But as far as path goes after this week I would have to agree with DRM on the due west. From what I'm reading this morning I don't know what would turn it north. The big cold front supposed to sweep into the gulf may not make it that far. Depending on who you believe. It is a bit confusing to say the least.

MARINE WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
330 AM EDT MON OCT 05 2009
HIGH
PRES BUILDS W ACROSS THE GULF OF MEXICO EARLY NEXT WEEK.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
THIS MORNING...MODELS HAVE BACKED OFF ON
THE MAGNITUDE OF SOUTHWARD PENETRATION OF THE FRONT. NOW THE GFS
AND ECMWF HANG THE FRONT OVER THE COASTAL AREA...AND KEEP
PRECIPITATION IN THE FORECAST OVER THE WEEKEND. WILL TREND TOWARD
THIS RESULT...BUT CONFIDENCE IN ACTUAL SOLUTION IS LOW AT THIS
POINT. CERTAINLY THE MODELS DID NOT HANDLE THE LAST COUPLE OF
FRONTAL SYSTEMS ACCURATELY.
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94. ChrisCone 4:11 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
i think it is pretty stupid that they even named the storm. There's very little about it that seems tropical in nature. Why not a sub-tropical storm?
95. tornadodude 4:12 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
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96. tornadodude 4:13 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Ok, in my opinion, they should have named it a Sub-tropical storm, but not last night, maybe 2 days ago. either way there is nothing we can do about it.
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97. PanamaBeach1 4:21 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
very true............
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98. tornadodude 4:22 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting PanamaBeach1:
very true............


I think I killed the blog :/
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99. JamesSA 4:22 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Its not like we are going to run out of names this year. I say they have plenty left over and they may as well use some of them on anything that spins. Its such a cute little thing anyway, why not give it a name?
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100. hcubed 4:23 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting Murko:
I see Stormno/t/top/kat, or whatever, is keeping a low profile this morning.


So far, just one post on the old blog.

Probably trying to find a way to spin his story: Either Grace doesn't count, or he had it's forcast nailed down from the start.
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101. tornadodude 4:23 PM GMT on October 05, 2009    
Quoting JamesSA:
Its not like we are going to run out of names this year. I say they have plenty left over and they may as well use some of them on anything that spins. Its such a cute little thing anyway, why not give it a name?


True, but probably should have been sub tropical. yes, it deserves a name, but not as a TS, but as a STS
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