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Invest 94L and the Lesser Antilles
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 9:51 AM GMT on August 30, 2009 +1
Hi, this is Dr. Rob Carver filling in for Dr. Masters. The convection associated with Invest 94L has intensified, prompting the NHC to issue an early Tropical Weather Outlook to update the situation. Essentially, people in the Lesser Antilles need to start paying attention to the seas and skies. Looking at the computer track models, the set of model solutions are fairly similar to the Saturday model runs. A set of dynamical models (GFDL, HWRF, NOGAPS) runs to the NE of the Antilles, while the simpler models (LBAR, BAM family) are more easterly and take 94L over the Antilles. I do not ascribe any significance to the 00Z GFS track following the simpler models over the dynamical models. From my examination of the 00Z GFS run, it looks like the simulated 94L weakens too much, so the automatic vortex tracker picks up another vorticity feature. As for the future of 94L, there is a large area of large wind shear to it's north. It will need to keep it's track at WNW-W for intensification.

Update at 6AM EDT
I would be remiss if I didn't mention the major hurricane in the Eastern Pacific, Jimena At this time, Jimena has a satellite-estimated maximum wind speed of 115 mph, making it a Category 3 storm on the Saffir-Simpson scale. Jimena has an impressive presentation in satellite imagery with a large area of cold anvil cirrus in the center of the storm. The following microwave imagery indicate the formation of a relatively potent central eyewall, which is responsible for intensification.


Fig. 1 SSMI 85 GHz PCT at 0244Z Aug 30. Image courtesy of NRL.


People along the western coast of Mexico and along along the Baja need to pay close attention to this dangerous storm. I emphasize that using the current track and intensity forecast, Jimena will be a Category 4 storm when it approaches the tip of Baja and a Category 3 storm when it makes landfall up the coast.

It is worth noting that if Jimena follows the more easterly tracks presented in the computer track forecasts, the remnants of Jimena could impact NM and western Texas.


I'll update this entry further in response to 94L's development.


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2102. Magicchaos 11:16 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
JMA's lastest on Krovanh:





2245UTC(6:45PM EDT)
33.2N 139.9E
10min Winds:70 MPH
Moving N at 12 MPH
Pressure: 975 MB
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2103. spathy 11:16 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Is there warmer water ahead for 94L in next 24-36 hrs?
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2104. extreme236 11:17 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:


I don't know if I would agree with that. The cloud field is expanding, not contracting which tells me that the divergence at lower levels is waning. It is starting to look more like an open wave but hopefully Quikscat will tell us what is going on at the surface.

Most of the circulation we are seeing now is in the mid levels which is displaced from the surface low. The low itself is not producing much in the way of new convection so I don't see any improvement until things change.

It is a much weaker and less impressive system than this morning IMO which means a more possible Westward motion.

Out for dinner but will be back later.


Some good observations, but many were trying to say it was an open wave last night too. We'll see.
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2105. Relix 11:17 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting Eagle300:


I think that we can both agree that the structure of 94L is pretty solid. Where do you see the possible center relocation? Wouldn't it make sense that because the structure is strong, it wouldn't need to relocate? It really isn't as if there is any stronger convection for it to go under.
Thanks.


It's solid, but the low is actually more to the north now. You can see that in the turning and the vorticity maps.
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2106. NJNorEaster 11:19 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Did Ozzie post his video on You Tube?
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2107. edmac 11:19 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
I do not beleive 94l will be a fish, as so many are saying. The more W, or WNW it moves the the worse it is for CONUS, IMO.
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2108. nrtiwlnvragn 11:19 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting homelesswanderer:




This is next Sunday. Can anybody tell me where the southern edge of the ridge is? I see the big high in the NE. But is its southern edge north or south of the trough? These things are confusing.


You can see a bigger picture with this image
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2109. AllStar17 11:20 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
***Backup GRAPHICS UPDATE***
I don't like them, but these are Microsoft Office 2003 graphics, as opposed to the 2007 ones I have been making and posting. My computer is being used, so I can not make 2007 graphics....and for the time being I have to use 2003 to generate graphics.........I don't like them, but at least it is something.

HURRICANE JIMENA 5 pm EDT Advisory Storm Track:

ALL INTERESTS IN BAJA CALIFORNIA SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF EXTREMELY DANGEROUS JIMENA. HURRICANE WATCHES MAY BE REQUIRED LATER TODAY OR TONIGHT.
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2110. mobilegirl81 11:20 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Current intensity, direction, and imo ,a high that is very unpredictable, expect this storm to follow a track like Lili 2002, Ivan 2004, Camille 1969, Gustav 2008, Georges 1998.
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2111. whipster 11:20 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting BahaHurican:
LOL

Should have known...... lol

If u can't stream live, whatever blogging u do would be great!

Well, I had to read another blogger's post 5x, then repunctuate it myself earlier today to even figure out what was meant. That gordy post seemed pretty obviously talking about 94L to me. [shrugs] I could be wrong. But lots of people here write bad or even incorrect English on a regular basis. I'm not going to get hung up over a mispelling that obviously approximates the English sound of that name.

YMMV


Porto is correct Portuguese. It was Portuguese for much of its existence.
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2113. Relix 11:21 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Wow 94L is really looking VERY bad....
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2114. edmac 11:21 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
I agree.
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2115. Cavin Rawlins 11:22 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
94L 24 hr loop reveals it has not lost but rather gained organization for most of today.

Moving wnw

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2117. Tazmanian 11:22 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


So do you think it will be orange, yellow or gone at 8:00?



i will be red or orange at 8pm
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2118. Eagle300 11:22 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting Relix:


It's solid, but the low is actually more to the north now. You can see that in the turning and the vorticity maps.


Ok thanks.
Is this what you are referring to?
and
this?
2119. Stormchaser2007 11:23 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Pretty strong shear out ahead of 94L. Even with the anticyclone it may have trouble.

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2120. Relix 11:23 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    


Looking pathetic ATM
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2121. AllStar17 11:23 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting Relix:
Wow 94L is really looking VERY bad....


Oh...come on! Then what did it look like last night? How many times will it take a disturbance to lose convection during DMIN, only to make a large comeback during DMAX to nail that fact through your head?
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2122. cchsweatherman 11:23 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
The latest microwave imagery from the NAVY Tropical Cyclone page shows a well-defined and organized low-level structure with Invest 94L. You can clearly see this with the obvious spiral banding pattern around the circulation. Right now, microwave imagery doesn't show a defined circulation center, but it does show a well-defined circulation.

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2123. extreme236 11:24 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Pretty strong shear out ahead of 94L. Even with the anticyclone it may have trouble.



GFS-based SHIPS still keeps low shear over it...anticyclone looks to keep it safe.
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2124. CaicosRetiredSailor 11:24 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    


MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NOW
NEAR 140 MPH...220 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. JIMENA IS A CATEGORY
FOUR HURRICANE


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2125. BahaHurican 11:24 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
OK. Here is OPC's take on 96-hrs.



Looking at that trough and high, we may end up seeing only enough lifting to move it past the Antilles.
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2126. hunkerdown 11:25 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting gordydunnot:
Lastly Hunker, I looked at vorticity before I posted there is some small vorticity all the way down to 800 mb level albeit very marginal. It wouldn't be the first time something worked to the surface.
BTW, no attack on you was meant by any of my comments. They were just commenst and clarification. As to your current statement (bolded), I agree but I don't see it happening here. And yes, I could be wrong, but my money would be on no development of the ULL.
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2127. Eagle300 11:25 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
A good way to think of 94L is as a skeleton. It's bones are strong. It just doesn't have any meat.
2128. Relix 11:26 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting AllStar17:


Oh...come on! Then what did it look like last night? How many times will it take a disturbance to lose convection during DMIN, only to make a large comeback during DMAX to nail that fact through your head?


Hey I am not a RIP force member lol. I am just saying it's looking very bad at the moment... and I am sightly pissed because my forecast was for it to become a TD tonight and it's nowhere near that status =P. It could mount a comeback tomorrow, let's see how it makes use of DMAX.
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2129. Stormchaser2007 11:26 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
I love how people repeatedly say how bad 94L looks. Say it once and move on...
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2130. zebralove 11:26 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
cycloneoz Is there a link to watch your very interesting looking video? I am not seeing it. Thanks I have been looking forward to seeing your Bill footage you were talking about
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2131. VAbeachhurricanes 11:26 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    

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2132. AllStar17 11:26 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting cchsweatherman:
The latest microwave imagery from the NAVY Tropical Cyclone page shows a well-defined and organized low-level structure with Invest 94L. You can clearly see this with the obvious spiral banding pattern around the circulation. Right now, microwave imagery doesn't show a defined circulation center, but it does show a well-defined circulation.



No....no...no, CCHS!!! Remember it is looking very bad ATM according to some....LOL!
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2134. homelesswanderer 11:26 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


You can see a bigger picture with this image


Thank you NRT. :) This will probably be wrong but I'll give it a shot. It looks like the highs are meeting with a weakness over the Bahamas?
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2137. TriniGirl26 11:28 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
i said it this morning i will say it again....the Met Office in Trinidad is a waste of time and money !!!!
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2138. CaneHunter031472 11:28 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Looking at the latest models, I am starting to think that if 94L doesn't get ripped appart by high wind shear it will eventually make its way to the Hebert's box and then Florida. Yes I dare to say that and yes it will all depend on how it develops. The fact that the models shifted more to the west is because no matter how much NHC has been saying it has been moving to the NW it has actually been moving due WEST. I think there is a possibility that it is starting to take the turn for what I sau in the lates satellite. This is my take on this. I would be getting ready if I was FLorida. No panic necessary though.
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2139. homelesswanderer 11:30 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting DestinJeff:


there is an isobar with a 1016 on it, which is high pressure. that i think reflects the extent of the ridge, although a storm may penetrate that somewhat, so don't view that line as a path it would take


Ah ok. Thanks. :)
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2140. hunkerdown 11:29 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
I love how people repeatedly say how bad 94L looks. Say it once and move on...
Wouldn;t the same go for the people touting it over and over (not picking on you for doing this but just stating what is good for the goose...)
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2141. SavannahStorm 11:29 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting TriniGirl26:
i said it this morning i will say it again....the Met Office in Trinidad is a waste of time and money !!!!


lol, how do you think they feel in Aruba?
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2142. somemalayguy117 11:29 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
(First post here hehe)
Krovanh seem to have an eye (or eye-like feature) after it reached it's peak.

And:
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 30/2100Z 16.6N 106.8W 120 KT
12HR VT 31/0600Z 17.3N 107.7W 125 KT
24HR VT 31/1800Z 18.7N 108.7W 125 KT
36HR VT 01/0600Z 20.6N 110.0W 125 KT
48HR VT 01/1800Z 22.6N 110.8W 115 KT
72HR VT 02/1800Z 26.5N 112.5W 75 KT...INLAND

96HR VT 03/1800Z 28.0N 114.0W 50 KT...INLAND
120HR VT 04/1800Z 28.5N 115.0W 25 KT

That can't be good...
2143. AllStar17 11:29 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting Relix:


Hey I am not a RIP force member lol. I am just saying it's looking very bad at the moment... and I am sightly pissed because my forecast was for it to become a TD tonight and it's nowhere near that status =P. It could mount a comeback tomorrow, let's see how it makes use of DMAX.


It is not as far away from TD status as you think
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2144. CaribBoy 11:30 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
94L will explode again after 2AM! Be patient
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2145. cchsweatherman 11:30 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Pretty strong shear out ahead of 94L. Even with the anticyclone it may have trouble.



That shear is due to the upper level anticyclone protecting Invest 94L and its interaction with an upper level low well to the north. Invest 94L will never encounter this shear as the upper-level anticyclone will be moving in tandem with the system.
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2147. nrtiwlnvragn 11:31 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting homelesswanderer:


Thank you NRT. :) This will probably be wrong but I'll give it a shot. It looks like the highs are meeting with a weakness over the Bahamas?


That weakness near the Bahamas is 94L.
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2148. Cavin Rawlins 11:31 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting cchsweatherman:


That shear is due to the upper level anticyclone protecting Invest 94L and its interaction with an upper level low well to the north. Invest 94L will never encounter this shear as the upper-level anticyclone will be moving in tandem with the system.


my extact words
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2149. TriniGirl26 11:32 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting SavannahStorm:


lol, how do you think they feel in Aruba?


How about we take the smallest island and put all of them on it and take away all the boats and planes so they can't come off...lol
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2150. AllStar17 11:32 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting cchsweatherman:


That shear is due to the upper level anticyclone protecting Invest 94L and its interaction with an upper level low well to the north. Invest 94L will never encounter this shear as the upper-level anticyclone will be moving in tandem with the system.


Correct....do you ultimately think this WILL form?
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2151. Relix 11:32 PM GMT on August 30, 2009    
Quoting AllStar17:


It is not as far away from TD status as you think


Convection is weak though, especially over the center. NHC always looks forward to that so that's the reason I think they won't be naming it tonight. My forecast has been butchered.. DAAARN YOU MOTHERNATURE!!
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