Danny still weak

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 7:32 PM GMT on August 28, 2009

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Tropical Storm Danny continues to look unhealthy, with an exposed low-level center and the main heavy thunderstorms well to the east. The center is oval instead of circular, which may portend that this center will dissipate and a new center will form under the heaviest thunderstorm activity. Danny has more of the appearance of a subtropical storm than a tropical storm on satellite imagery, and this structure will slow down any potential intensification. The amount of heavy thunderstorm activity has increased in the past few hours, though no thunderstorms have formed near the center. The latest Hurricane Hunter mission found one small spot of 45 mph surface winds between 1 - 3 pm EDT today, so Danny may barely qualify as a tropical storm. Danny's center may have begun moving to the north over the past hour, giving confidence that the storm's strongest winds and rain will stay offshore of North Carolina tonight and Saturday morning.


Figure 1. Afternoon satellite image at 3:03 pm EDT of Danny, showing the exposed swirl of clouds where Danny's center is, well displaced from the heaviest thunderstorm activity to the east. The center is oval-shaped and not circular, the sign of a weak circulation.

The forecast for Danny
With wind shear at 15 knots this afternoon, and forecast to increase to 20 knots tonight and 30 knots Saturday morning, it is unlikely Danny will be able to strengthen to more than a 50 mph tropical storm. Dry air from the upper-level low that has been keeping Danny disorganized continues to be a problem for the storm, as well. Most of the intensity forecast models continue to insist Danny will strengthen, but they have been doing a very poor job forecasting the intensity of Danny. With Danny's heavy thunderstorms all on the east side of the storm, it is unlikely that North Carolina or New England will feel tropical storm force winds from Danny when it scoots past on Saturday. Large swells from Danny creating high surf along the beaches of New England will be the primary hazard from the storm.

Massachusetts hurricane history
Two tropical storms have affected Massachusetts in the past decade, though neither of these storms brought sustained winds of tropical storm force (39 mph) to the state. Tropical Storm Beryl of 2006 just missed Cape Cod as a weak tropical storm with 45 mph winds. Beryl brought wind gusts to tropical storm force to Nantucket Island, and a 1 foot storm surge. Tropical Storm Hermine hit southeast Massachusetts on August 31, 2004, as a minimum-strength tropical storm with 40 mph winds. No land stations in Massachusetts reported tropical storm force winds during Beryl. The last time Massachusetts measured tropical storm force winds was in 1997 during that year's version of Tropical Storm Danny. Chatham recorded sustained winds of 44 mph, and Nantucket had 43 mph winds. The last time Massachusetts had hurricane force winds was in 1991 during Hurricane Bob, which hit Rhode Island as a Category 2 hurricane. Provincetown, Massachusetts measured sustained winds of 98 mph, gusting to 115 mph, and Buzzard's Bay received a 15 foot storm surge.

Invest 94L
The well-organized tropical wave (94L) mid-way between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands continues to be a threat to develop into a tropical depression in the next day or two. Water vapor satellite loops show that 94L has moistened the region surrounding it considerably today, and the storm is not ingesting as much dry air as this morning. However, visible satellite loops show only a small amount of heavy thunderstorm activity near the circulation center, which is broad and elongated from east to west. Shear is low, about 10 knots, and is expected to remain low, 5 - 10 knots, over the next five days. The waters are warm enough to support development, 27°C, and are expected to remain in the 27 - 28°C range over the next five days. It appears that 94L needs another 1 - 3 days to develop a well-formed circulation and become a tropical depression, given the favorable environment. NHC is giving 94L a medium (30 - 50% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Sunday. Most of the models predict 94L will Be affected by two troughs of low pressure over the next week, which will pull the storm far enough north so that it will miss the Lesser Antilles Islands. It is then probable that 94L will be forced to the west again as the high pressure ridge steering the storm builds back in. The possible long-term threat to the U.S. East Coast is impossible to evaluate at this time.

I'm in New York City this weekend for my cousin's wedding, so will not be blogging again until Monday morning. In my absence, wundergound's severe storms expert, Dr. Rob Carver, will be posting in my blog Saturday and Sunday.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting hurricane23:
94 really looking like a mess at the moment.Very broard ill defind mid/surface circulation.Models are not to agreesive at the moment.

Just something to watch but not looking good tonight.

adrian
I was beginning to think I was the only one.
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Great to here AOML has gotten futher funding for there tc products.
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94L is RIP



we have seen what 94L has done and all so looks like the mode runs are droping 94L has well


94L had a good life 94L has pass a way good bye far well well see you next time a round
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Quoting Dakster:


We'll see. It's all about the U...
the U hasnt done much of anything in recent memory
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Quoting P451:
Oh, Danny, what are you up to?



Is this it? Is he now heading NE and out of the picture for the CONUS? Bermuda threat?

Is this just a jog? Getting sucked into the convection? Will this cause strengthening?

Is this somehow part of a loop? Is he going to get left behind by the Florida ULL/Trough?

...Danny suddenly became interesting again. At least for the time being until he reveals his true motive.

Exactly what is interesting about it ? Looks pretty lame, moving ENE to NE, with no real appearance of strngthening. It is truly holding on for dear life.
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A couple observations:

1) 94L is slowly but surely getting better organized. Convection has recently flared close to the CoC which was confirmed by QuickScat in the latest satellite images.

2) Danny has NOT had a center relocation....the same old center that was stationary earlier is now moving NNE, with a jog to the ENE in the latest frames. Really....who knows what Danny is doing! It has already proven it has a mind of its own.

FYI - The computer I use for my graphics is being used at the moment. (:I
I will have to make another set of graphics soon, and should be able to do so, and post graphics again, tomorrow. I know most of you do like them, so I will create new ones tomorrow. I will use those until I get my computer back.
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Quoting Weathermandan:
WU loop (ending at 8:07 PM EDT)
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Looks like the center is under the convection and the storm as a whole is drifting south.

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NHC loop (ending at 6:45 PM EDT)
Looks like the LLC is still defined northwest of the convection, moving ENE.

What's ACTUALLY going on? My gut tells me the "center" I'm seeing on the WU loop may very well be an illusion, but it certainly looks ominous.... Thoughts? :)


a ULL over GA like that in the winter would give the Carolinas an epic snowstorm
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Quoting VARob:


I don't think it is going to go WNW,W or any other direction other than SSW. And to think two day's ago it was a fish headed NE.
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Work is over... hurray :)


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Quoting FLGatorCaneNut:
For those in S.E. Florida Channel 10 is having a 2009 Hurricane Season Update with Max Mayfield
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Quoting mobilegirl81:

Yea, models getting ready to go even further west.
stop focusing on models on a tropical wave, it means nothing at this time. 94L is still very disorganized and will continue to move on a westward track, for the most part, until/if it develops further.
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Quoting FloridaTigers:
Based on current steering, I see 94L going into the Caribbean unless he slows down.

Where's KmanIslander?
He's my Caribbean expert!
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You're tellin me. That is one wave that is going to get blown apart by "shear" lol

GO NOLES
Quoting EastCoastMove:
Man I just can't wait for that "tropical wave" from Miami to make it up here to Tallahassee on Sept. 7th. GO NOLES
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Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
The astronauts are approaching the launch pad to board Shuttle Discovery for a midnight Eastern time launch.


Yes, and I am 10 minutes out from watching it at Space Walk Park in Titusville. I'll try to post pictures tomorrow assuming it launches tonight. So far it looks like the clouds will clear out by launch time.
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447. Relix
Quoting kanc2001:


barbados may be interesting in a few days


I say 94L will be over Barbados if it keeps the track. At any point it has to feel the through influence and it will jump a few grades north. Now... where will it stop is the whole factor here.
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Maybe Danny will pull a loop-de-loop next? I hope not.
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Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
The astronauts are approaching the launch pad to board Shuttle Discovery for a midnight Eastern time launch.

Wondering if me and Archie can stay up that late to walk down to the beach and watch the launch...
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Quoting EastCoastMove:
Man I just can't wait for that "tropical wave" from Miami to make it up here to Tallahassee on Sept. 7th. GO NOLES


We'll see. It's all about the U...
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Quoting FloridaTigers:
When is 94L going to go WNW? He's heading south of due west and accelerating.


barbados may be interesting in a few days
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The astronauts are approaching the launch pad to board Shuttle Discovery for a midnight Eastern time launch.
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Quoting P451:
Oh, Danny, what are you up to?



Is this it? Is he now heading NE and out of the picture for the CONUS? Bermuda threat?

Is this just a jog? Getting sucked into the convection? Will this cause strengthening?

Is this somehow part of a loop? Is he going to get left behind by the Florida ULL/Trough?

...Danny suddenly became interesting again. At least for the time being until he reveals his true motive.


That is a center relocation as Dr.Masters has been talking about how it has done this now 20+ times so far.
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94 really looking like a mess at the moment.Very broard ill defind mid/surface circulation.Models are not to agreesive at the moment.

Just something to watch but not looking good tonight.

adrian
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WU loop (ending at 8:07 PM EDT)
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Looks like the center is under the convection and the storm as a whole is drifting south.

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NHC loop (ending at 6:45 PM EDT)
Looks like the LLC is still defined northwest of the convection, moving ENE.

What's ACTUALLY going on? My gut tells me the "center" I'm seeing on the WU loop may very well be an illusion, but it certainly looks ominous.... Thoughts? :)
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Quoting VARob:


I don't think it is going to go WNW,W or any other direction other than SSW. And to think two day's ago it was a fish headed NE.


Doesn't look to be a fish IMO
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Quoting MississippiWx:
If anyone is interested, the AOML site has come back to life and is showing updated TCHP maps. The TCHP in the Caribbean, especially NW Caribbean is fairly substantial. I have a feeling that dark blue spot on the map in the GOM is inaccurate as that is the loop current, which should have the most amount of TCHP in the whole GOM.

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Yess!!!!!!!!!
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Hey StormW can't wait for tomorrow synopsis on 94L... Should be interesting reading.
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Quoting MZV:
Don't talk about southwesterly courses ... Ivan, Ike and Katrina all had brief southwesterly tracks ...


I second that motion. :)

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429. ackee
Quoting FloridaTigers:
Based on current steering, I see 94L going into the Caribbean unless he slows down.
agree but dont think it will survie the eastern carrb thow
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Quoting FLGatorCaneNut:
For those in S.E. Florida Channel 10 is having a 2009 Hurricane Season Update with Max Mayfield


Thanks. Its good for Channel 10 to do something like this as a reminder for others.
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427. Relix
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The satellite loop on WU (which is the most up-to-date that I can find) looks like Danny's center has almost certainly reformed beneath that bubble of convection. If that's the case what the HECK happens now LOL

Nice banding going on over the Mid-Atlantic. Supposed to get 3-4 inches of rain on Long Island tonight/tomorrow..
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425. VARob
Quoting FloridaTigers:
When is 94L going to go WNW? He's heading south of due west and accelerating.


I don't think it is going to go WNW,W or any other direction other than SSW. And to think two day's ago it was a fish headed NE.
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Based on current steering, I see 94L going into the Caribbean unless he slows down.
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For those in S.E. Florida Channel 10 is having a 2009 Hurricane Season Update with Max Mayfield
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If anyone is interested, the AOML site has come back to life and is showing updated TCHP maps. The TCHP in the Caribbean, especially NW Caribbean is fairly substantial. I have a feeling that dark blue spot on the map in the GOM is inaccurate as that is the loop current, which should have the most amount of TCHP in the whole GOM.

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We may finally see 94L 'go red' tomorrow.
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From the 8 PM NHC Discussion:
A STRONG TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 37W/38W S OF 17N MOVING W NEAR 20 KT. A 1011 MB LOW IS ALONG THE WAVE AXIS NEAR 10N.
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The TWO says 94l is moving west at roughly 15mph...It just looks to me (yes, an untrained eye) that it's going a whole lot faster. Could someone please explain this to me. TIA
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419. MZV
Don't talk about southwesterly courses ... Ivan, Ike and Katrina all had brief southwesterly tracks ...
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Quoting P451:


Danny's steering environment. He's going to accelerate.


how can that happen? hes moving NE
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Quoting FloridaTigers:
When is 94L going to go WNW? He's heading south of due west and accelerating.

Yea, models getting ready to go even further west.
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When is 94L going to go WNW? He's heading south of due west and accelerating.
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414. VARob
Quoting P451:


Danny's steering environment. He's going to accelerate.


I would think that the ULL centered in GA would negate the effects of the ULL in the caribbean on Danny or am I completly off base here?
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